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timalkin · 01-10-2004, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by omega2K4
All drugs should be legalized, if you choose to smoke/snort/shoot up/swallow/insert rectally/whatever any narcotic, nobody should be able to tell you otherwise. It is your body, you should be able to do whatever you please to it.

That's all fine and dandy, until you expect me to pay for your fucked up body with my tax dollars.

Besides, marijuana's baddd, mkay?

harhar · 01-11-2004, 04:03 PM

It should be legalized, less dangerous than alcohol.
You can´t die in overdoze and it doesn´t make people act violently. If home growing gets legal then there´s no need to have big business and criminality around it, and cops can use all their powers to HARD DRUGS.

ApexgriN · 01-11-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Shades
That website is pure bullshit with regards to using it for fuel, as any decent thermal/fluids engineer like me could tell you.

Submit your claim then, and post the response.

Hemp seed oil can be used to make biodiesel, which will run my car for 50 miles on 1 gallon. This wouldn't even require any modification to my car in warmer climates. I'm not sure, but I hope this is related to your post somehow.

Shades · 01-11-2004, 10:30 PM

I'm not going to bother to dignify "50 miles per gallon on a diesel cycle engine" with a response. If you want to know why that's incredibly unlikely, read Chapter 9, Section 3 of Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics , by Moran and Shapiro. An excellent read under any circumstances.

Beyond that, here's how a power cycle works in a furnace, as opposed to an engine. It goes by the general relationship of E = h(Th^4 - Tc^4). h is a constant, don't worry about it. In our case, Tc = 298K, which is pretty much what the outside temperature is on any given day. Th is what temperature our fuel combusts up to. For biologic agents, that's in the neighborhood of 1200K. For natural gas, it can be as high as 2300K, although more typically is 1800-1900K. And once you ^4 those numbers, natural gas wins by 13.5 times greater at best, 5.1 times greater at worst. Good luck getting someone to take that losing bet.

That's not even factoring in fouling and carbon based pollutants that biologic-based fuels produce, nor relative costs of producing combustion suitable "biodiesel" over natural gas.

And if that's not persuasive enough, consider that nobody important in the engineering or scientific communities take this seriously. And remember, take your tin foil hat off before doing so.

ApexgriN · 01-12-2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Shades
I'm not going to bother to dignify "50 miles per gallon on a diesel cycle engine" with a response.

Bleh. I can make biodiesel in my back yard with a drum of used vegetable oil and a few ingredients.

This is done and proven. It's easy to get 50 mpg out of biodiesel. No amount flexing is gonna convince me otherwise.

Shades · 01-12-2004, 10:08 AM

OK, I don't blame you for not listening to a mechanical engineer when it comes to a mechanical system. I could ask you for a source, but I suspect it'd be from some common media outlet. Consider yourself unflexed. At any rate, I'm not going to thread jack this further.

ApexgriN · 01-12-2004, 12:37 PM

http://www.biodiesel.org/
http://www.veggievan.org/

There are more, Google it.

You seem to be obsessed with the fuel itself, and only hot burning fuels are capable of providing power to humans. Maybe focus on how efficient the machine is, rather than the raw energy in said fuel.

canuma317 · 01-12-2004, 01:05 PM

marijuana will not be legalized in the US for the simple fact that in doing so many of our industries will go bankrupt. textile mills will make cloth from hemp insead of cotton...it doesn't shrink, it's durable, and it's warm. more paper can be made from an acre of hemp than an acre of trees. cooking oil, gasoline, motor oil, nutritional and medicinal suppliments...all can be made from the hemp plant. that's not even saying what would happen smoking was legalized. i do believe that if it were legalized it would have the same stipulations for consumption as alcohol, being: limited to those above 21 years of age, and one may not operate a vehicle or heavy machinary.

ApexgriN · 01-12-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by canuma317
marijuana will not be legalized in the US for the simple fact that in doing so many of our industries will go bankrupt. textile mills will make cloth from hemp insead of cotton...

Exactly, it all comes down to money. It's pretty sad when so many obvious good things are dismissed sine they don't provide as much profit or control.

I just don't understand why all these big companys don't realize the potential of the plant and lobby to get the laws changed. That's the only way we'll ever get anywhere in the US, sad to say.

loganmule · 01-12-2004, 08:00 PM

decriminalization makes better sense than legalization, in my opinion...hard to call it a victimless choice, unless the user stays home and doesn't make any sudden moves (ie, acts like I did, in my pot phase), and even then the health downside is significant. Decriminalization strikes a balance between the interests of society and the rights of the individual.

Raptor20561 · 01-17-2004, 04:30 PM

i have to side with making it legal, but controlled, such as the whole not smoking while driving, or in public. and a age limit also

~springrain · 01-17-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Sho Nuff
Id rather see it decriminalized then legalized. I dont want big business mixed in with my bud. Id rather be able to grow my own plants in peace and feel free to buy equipment and seeds without having to cover my tracks.

count me in on that one...

01-12-2004, 12:37 PM	#47 (permalink)
ApexgriN Tilted	http://www.biodiesel.org/ http://www.veggievan.org/ There are more, Google it. You seem to be obsessed with the fuel itself, and only hot burning fuels are capable of providing power to humans. Maybe focus on how efficient the machine is, rather than the raw energy in said fuel. __________________ - apexGrin

01-17-2004, 04:30 PM	#51 (permalink)
Raptor20561 Tilted Location: so cal	i have to side with making it legal, but controlled, such as the whole not smoking while driving, or in public. and a age limit also __________________ Things have never been so swell I have never failed to fail

01-11-2004, 04:03 PM	#42 (permalink)
harhar Upright	It should be legalized, less dangerous than alcohol. You can´t die in overdoze and it doesn´t make people act violently. If home growing gets legal then there´s no need to have big business and criminality around it, and cops can use all their powers to HARD DRUGS.

01-11-2004, 10:30 PM	#44 (permalink)
Shades Insane	I'm not going to bother to dignify "50 miles per gallon on a diesel cycle engine" with a response. If you want to know why that's incredibly unlikely, read Chapter 9, Section 3 of Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics , by Moran and Shapiro. An excellent read under any circumstances. Beyond that, here's how a power cycle works in a furnace, as opposed to an engine. It goes by the general relationship of E = h(Th^4 - Tc^4). h is a constant, don't worry about it. In our case, Tc = 298K, which is pretty much what the outside temperature is on any given day. Th is what temperature our fuel combusts up to. For biologic agents, that's in the neighborhood of 1200K. For natural gas, it can be as high as 2300K, although more typically is 1800-1900K. And once you ^4 those numbers, natural gas wins by 13.5 times greater at best, 5.1 times greater at worst. Good luck getting someone to take that losing bet. That's not even factoring in fouling and carbon based pollutants that biologic-based fuels produce, nor relative costs of producing combustion suitable "biodiesel" over natural gas. And if that's not persuasive enough, consider that nobody important in the engineering or scientific communities take this seriously. And remember, take your tin foil hat off before doing so.

01-12-2004, 10:08 AM	#46 (permalink)
Shades Insane	OK, I don't blame you for not listening to a mechanical engineer when it comes to a mechanical system. I could ask you for a source, but I suspect it'd be from some common media outlet. Consider yourself unflexed. At any rate, I'm not going to thread jack this further.

01-12-2004, 01:05 PM	#48 (permalink)
canuma317 Upright Location: baton rouge, la	marijuana will not be legalized in the US for the simple fact that in doing so many of our industries will go bankrupt. textile mills will make cloth from hemp insead of cotton...it doesn't shrink, it's durable, and it's warm. more paper can be made from an acre of hemp than an acre of trees. cooking oil, gasoline, motor oil, nutritional and medicinal suppliments...all can be made from the hemp plant. that's not even saying what would happen smoking was legalized. i do believe that if it were legalized it would have the same stipulations for consumption as alcohol, being: limited to those above 21 years of age, and one may not operate a vehicle or heavy machinary.

01-12-2004, 08:00 PM	#50 (permalink)
loganmule Junkie Location: midwest	decriminalization makes better sense than legalization, in my opinion...hard to call it a victimless choice, unless the user stays home and doesn't make any sudden moves (ie, acts like I did, in my pot phase), and even then the health downside is significant. Decriminalization strikes a balance between the interests of society and the rights of the individual.