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Old 12-19-2007, 03:07 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Fast Forward. .... You tried to demonstrate that America was segregated via Stargate SG-1. A single example is nothing more than a data point; it proves nothing.

I think that we've moved past that, so I'm willing to let that drop if you are.
Read my original post .... and then ..... read my follow-up posts .... all of them. In those posts I re-stated my original thoughts and then (by popular demand I made a digression to appease the masses) I gave motivation to the question of segregation today. Those are two separate subjects, both of which I made my reply.

If (after reading my posts) you still think I base "segregation in the U.S. today on a single example of Stargate" then you really ought to sign up for an evening course in English comprehension.

I'm willing to discuss it if you are.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:21 AM   #42 (permalink)
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No, I think I comprehend exactly what you said. You've just confused things by making two different points at different times then confusing the timeline of the responses.

In other words, you changed the intention of the thread in midstream. That's fine and dandy, but trying to obscure that change afterwards is a bit disingenuous.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:37 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Anyway, last week Teal’c (you know: the guy with a logo imbedded into his forehead) and crew went back to his home planet where he (a black man) is a minority. Low and behold he ran into his distraught wife and child – also black.

That his wife might be anything other than black is something that the American prime-time TV producer would probably not dare risk his career over.
And if people from another world were to have visited the U.S. prior to, say, the 1950's, God knows what they would have thought. "Every person is with someone of the same color. They must be unable to breed together." Shit, right now there are big news stories about the "honor killings" of women who were found in relationships with men outside their religion. Even here, sharing the same planet, we find that barbaric and terrible.

I'm just saying- from a purely "this is supposed to have happened on another planet" perspective, you have no idea what the racial lines are like there. Also, if his race is really a small minority there, then there's even less chance that the minority is, on average, found in interracial couples.

Short version: I have no idea why you'd even think to take something as simple as a casting choice of a fictional alien being on a science fiction/fantasy TV show and blow it up into American television racial segregation. That's a huge leap to make, and fairly asinine.

And yes, it always seemed like you had zeroed in on, and were specifically addressing, this one specific series and episode. Enough back-peddling.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:11 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Wait, what's wrong with Ruger mini-14s? : (
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:39 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Where do you live? I'm in a predominantly liberal area and could not help but always be aware when I was half of a interracial couple. Stares, nasty looks, mumbled comments, where we were seated in certain restaurants ...

When we were alone, we were just a couple. But even liberal and tolerant Americans (both black and white) never let us forget about color when we stepped out the door.

Sadly, a lot of work still needs to be done, and several generations will be required for full evolution to occur.
I live in Phoenix, and there are more 'races' than just black and white...my wife is Navajo. I'm not saying that people in black/white couples that are living in, say, Cincinnati, (or even Phoenix, to a much lesser extent) won't feel quite a bit of social pressure. It was just a startling revalation that, wow, interracial couple describes me!
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:26 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Jesus Christ... Teal'c is a fucking alien. He isn't black anymore. Is Micheal Jackson black anymore? NO. He's an alien, too!

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Wait, what's wrong with Ruger mini-14s? : (
Nothing wrong with the Ruger Mini-14. Just poking fun at pop culture's favorite redneck "assault weapon." That and I love the A-Team's AC-556 look-alikes.
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:35 AM   #47 (permalink)
 
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it's not uninteresting the question of how folk in a given period imagine the future, what the write into it, what they leave out.

here's the first plastic house:

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Old 12-19-2007, 11:39 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Hell, the picture you posted was big enough for me to turn into a house.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:11 AM   #49 (permalink)
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...my wife is Navajo.
Jesus!

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And if people from another world were to have visited the U.S. prior to, say, the 1950's, God knows what they would have thought. ".... They must be unable to breed together." .


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Is Micheal Jackson black anymore? NO. He's an alien,


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All in all, I think that some of you are having trouble taking a light hearted comment with a grin. Instead, you've turned (tried anyway) it into a national offense. Why do Americans often do that?

Even before you say, "If I said something like that about your country you'd do the same thing!" I can tell you already, "No, I wouldn't", any more than I'd take it personally if you "trash" the series "Cops".

Tsk tsk, you guys. Tks tsk!

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Old 12-20-2007, 08:19 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I couldn't get any farther than "I love Cops, I hate Stargate". I knew right there I'd find zero common ground with the OP...
Yea...well my dad loves Stargate and he's a Georgia Tech Electrical Engineer Graduate...so yea. I don't think the networks screen too much. Look at Heidi Klum and her husband...Lost is a great example. That movie The Brave One with Jodie Foster, another Sayiid Relationship.
Oh and Sex and the City..Miranda dates the sexy African American doctor for the Nicks and Samantha dates the African American music guy from the restaurant. Not to mention those Old Navy Commericials...with the White adult and black baby. Nip/Tuck - Christian and the African American, his baby that got taken away. That movie with Bernie Mac where his daughter brings home the white dude...don't remember the name.

I think what the TV shows and what reality is are too very different things. While I personally don't have any problem with people intertwining the races, I have had experience with prejuduce as I'm sure everyone has. Growing up in Atlanta you were told not to enter certain parts of the city at night if you were white etc. It goes for the same thing in Dallas. My high school had certain hallways where it wasn't the best idea to walk down by yourself.

So...I don't know, there seem to be plenty of people mixing it up. I don't particularly believe the media is discouraging that.
I don't really think there's a ton of censoring on this issue.
Don't want to say much else about this.

Oh and that house looks like a wannabe Villa Savoy from Corbusier. (it was also a failure)

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Old 12-20-2007, 10:15 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I should point out that a sci-fi show was the first show on television to break the race barrier--when Captain Kirk kissed Uhura on the original Star Trek.

And yeah, Teal'c isn't African-American. He's a Jaffa whose skin just happens to be chocolate colored.
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:42 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I should point out that a sci-fi show was the first show on television to break the race barrier--when Captain Kirk kissed Uhura on the original Star Trek.
Now she was a real dish! (racial affinity not withstanding) Who could possibly resist kissing her pouting, wanton lips? Not me! Shit! I can think of a few other things I'd like to have achieved with her ...... ... yeah ... well ... like .. uh ... plotting the course of least resistance toward Romulan V for example.
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