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Strange Famous

i think there is a bigger point - that these days it seems that people are more worried about certain racial words rather than actual racial sentiment...

But saying that, from what I know of the guy - which I admit isnt much - he strikes me as a moron.

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Willravel

He's an idiot. Most people on reality tv are idiots.

Cyborg Ninja

This incident is blown out of proportion, which it usually is for people who are in the public eye. This man is at heart a good person. He does not claim to be intelligent, but he does what he can to help people in his view and share with America his views. He follows a very Christian agenda (I don't mean fundamentalist). I'm disappointed that so many people misunderstand who he is and what he does. This topic only makes that more evident.

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snowy

Agreed.

I watch a lot of Dog the Bounty Hunter; it's one of my roommate's favorite shows. Dog strikes me as a person of moderate intelligence at best, but he has a kind heart, and has gotten caught up in a bad situation. He's made the best of it by trying to be Christian about it, has repented, and asked for forgiveness. It would be unChristian of me to deny him.

I saw him cry on Larry King Live this week. Dog is nothing if not honest; all he has is his word. I have taken him at his word that this experience has changed him, and he is doing his best to learn from it all, and keep changing for the better.

I hope he gets past this, and that his show returns to A&E. He brings light to parts of society we do not like to see. But we need to see them, and without Dog we would be content to remain ignorant and stick our heads in the sand in regards to the interaction of drugs, poverty, and crime.

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Psycho Dad

meh... You can't really hold being an ex anything against someone. Not if they have truly stopped being whatever wrong they were.

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hrandani

The guy is a one man white trash opera. Come on.

Seven ex wives?

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Psycho Dad

OK... But why not recognize that he apparently no longer uses drugs and fullfilled a jail or prison stay. And ex-biker or current biker for that matter is not anything to hold against anyone IMHO.

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Mister Coaster

You can take the man out of the South, but you can't take the South out of the man. The guy is a racist, period. I know plenty of so-called "good Christians" (extended family) who are full-blown biggots, and don't ever think twice about making a racist statement. It's painful to watch because if you EVER pointed out that their racisim is un-Christian they would probably never speak to you agian.

Dog is the same way, he says what first comes to mind, and if it's a racist statement, then so be it. Racist slurs roll right off his tounge like they are nothing. If he goes away, fine I won't miss his goofy lookin' getup one bit.

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Glory's Sun

so.. he's a racist because he said nigger??

jesus. I'm so sick of everyone thinking that a fucking word is so off limits. The only way he would be a racist is if he hated the people because they were black.

I'm just going to stop there.. I've already put my feelings on the subject in this thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=126691

DaveOrion

Do you have any idea how offensive & condescending that sounds, especially to a Southerner??? Thanks for the stereotyping everybody in the South.....

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QuasiMondo

Dog is doing this all wrong. He should've just issued his apology and laid low until somebody else fucks up. Then creep in through the back door. The longer he stays in the public eye, the more he will be despised.

Laying low, that's how Don Imus got his job back. Staying in the public eye when there's a media storm, that's how Floyd Landis screwed himself over.

This is a lesson in public relations, learn it well, children.

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Plan9

Hey, Dog...

The village people called. They want their costumes back.

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Menoman

if the shoe fits?

just kidding.

What you quoted is a saying that dates back a very long time, it has very little to do with the people who actually live in the south. If you really need a breakdown of it, or you've never heard it.

You should take it more like this.

You can take the 'stereotyped' man out of the 'stereotyped' south, but you can't take the 'stereotyped' south out of the 'stereotyped' man.

It's merely a saying. Kinda like 'you can lead a horse to water...etc' it doesn't actually mean you can physically lead a horse to water... it means something broader.




Anyway, I think Dog is pretty much a moron redneck rebel flag toting inbred retard. But I also think it's insane that black comedians, rappers, basically anyone black is allowed to use a word that nobody else is allowed. Where is the word for whites that nobody can use but us?

If you don't want it used then don't fucking use it. Simple as that, until that happens I'll defend anyone's right to freedom of speech. Because you can't tell one group they can say something, and tell another they cannot.

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Use of 'nigger' by non black people is a way to communicate hatred based on skin color. If you're not a racist or black, you don't use that word. Just like kike or chink. These words are derogatory no matter how they are used because the words are derogatory by their very nature.

If you're not a racist or black, you don't use that word.

Menoman

That isn't exactly freedom of speech don't you think? Now obviously we have limits for slander and those types of crimes. But you can't limit someone based on race.

A black guy could call me every single word in the book, cracker, saltine, whitey, nazi, hoodman, skinhead, and there is zero recourse compared to if I call someone a nigger.

Again, that is freedom of speech?

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I wished that some people would have done research before jumping to conclusions about the man. It's been said already—he has spent a lot of time in jail and around the lower-class. There are white people who say "nigger" to their black friends and don't mean for it to be offensive, and their friends are OK with it. I grew up in some pretty unsavory areas in Miami (multicultural heaven) and so I have firsthand experience with this. Hell, I'm surprised by how whitebread the rest of the country is outside of certain big urban areas. But anyway, this is what Dog claimed on Larry King, and after I heard the taped message and saw his actions and heard his words, I believe him.

He is an honest man, if not the brightest, and his son only did this to get back at him after planning to extort money from Dog by setting something up with his black girlfriend, who was the person Dog was complaining about on the phone. Dog had caught his son's girlfriend and a few of her friends planning to set up a fight with Beth, Dog's wife, and so he called his son to discuss it. He said basically that he didn't want this girl around his son because she is a shady character, and not because she is black, and he said this in the original taped message. He went on to say that he does not want this girl to tape him or anyone else in his family saying "nigger" and sell it to the National Enquirer—because he knew it would be misconstrued.

It's funny how those who claim liberalism, political correctness, and progressivism frequently do not have any close relationships with people of color. It's like they're afraid and use minor shit like this to define how to act around someone of a different race because they don't know how to act, when in reality you just need to relax and be yourself.

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Menoman

I haven't heard any of this extortion business where are you reading this?

My point still stands true, but I'd like to read about the dramaz

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Who really gives a shit anyway?

This is nothing more than a case of a man in the celebrity spotlight without a clue as to how he should act. And while he should've learned from Mel Gibson's mistakes, acting is essentially all this boils down to - stardom isn't about who you are, it's about who you appear to be. It would've been in his best interest not to appear to be a racist.

And while I can empathize with not wanting to introduce different cultures into your family, I can also understand why any company would be unwilling to continue to support Dog and his show after such remarks and in such racially charged times.

Menoman, since this obviously isn't a matter of freedom of speech nor is it a matter of double standards, are you actually arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to be offended by racial remarks? These may be racially charged times but you (and almost everyone else in this thread) are reading way too much into this.

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Glory's Sun

Of all people, I can't believe you actually posted this Will.

How can someone honestly sit there and say that the word nigger is wrong for one person to use but ok for another to use? That is some pretty dumb shit if you ask me. So I guess if someone sings "Rock and Roll Nigger" they are a racist because they are saying the word nigger? Society is pretty fucked up when a race of people can call offense to a word then use it themselves to describe ..well.. themselves?? I'm confused here.

DaveOrion

One more time........http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=126691

http://aarontalks.com/niggers.html

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Cyborg Ninja

Dog said it on his interview with Larry King. I caught it on CNN's website somewhere. It's from about 5 days ago if you want to go search for it.

I think society will have progressed if all people are able to reclaim formally racist terms and neutralize them. If the person saying it does not use it with ill intent, like Dog, then I'm not going to be offended. I've had a Venezuelan gf and she'd call me a "kike" or a "cracker" lightheartedly. I wasn't about to dump her and call her an anti-Semite.

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Words represent things.

The word "nigger" is just a racist word that describes black people as lazy - it represents the lynch mob, the segregated schools and buses and hospitals, it represents all of the racism of the past and of today, the beatings, the poverty, the slave trade and the murders carried about the slavers.

It isnt simply a word.

I for one agree, and stated first, that I am more concerned about actual racist feelings than the unthinking use of racial slurs... but it is a word that you are not allowed to use. If you are in the public and you use this word, youre going to get thrown to the wolves over it. Its a fact, and if you dont like, dont be a fucking celebrity in the first place.

And in terms of reaction, claiming that when he grew up he was black was not exactly the best way to try and make amends or express genuine regret.

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Words can indeed be 'sticks and stones'

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Ninjasideshow

You know, I'm honestly not sure how to stand on this.

Dog is not the brightest bulb. Perhaps he did consider himself Black in some manner and felt that he earned the right to say what he did. Sure he was wrong and he is now well aware that he is not black. But I have to ask

Doesn't he get a little credit for empathizing with black people?

Isn't it worthwhile that he wants to identify with an oppressed minority?

Glory's Sun

So, if it's all about intent, then it shouldn't matter who or what color person uses it right?? That's just not how it works. It's bullshit but that's just not going to happen. It's just like if I paint a swastika on my house. People will automatically think it's a neo-nazi symbol or something hateful. They won't even begin to think that the swastika's were actually used as peaceful symbols way before Hitler came along.

This is why I have a problem with the word. It's a fucking word. No more, no less. For one race to use it as an identifier.. "what up my nigga?" does not change the actual meaning of the word. So, basically, all I'm saying, is that whether a person uses the word or not doesn't make them a racist. It's like everyone wants to not be a racist so much that if someone uses the word and they aren't black, they get blasted just so nobody thinks your racist.

Dog is nobody that I have any respect for, but I don't think he was shown in the purest light possible in this situation.

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Charlatan

Has any law been created that says you cannot say Nigger? No. So how is that limiting your freedom of speech.

You are more than welcome to use the word Nigger in your everyday speech. It wouldn't change the fact that society at large would view you as a biggoted ass, regardless of the law's view on the use of the word.

Dog isn't being persecuted by the law for uttering racist words (or more accurately, giving the impression that he is racist because of his, apparently causal use of the word, nigger). He is receiving societal pressure from those who feel that his actions are wrong.

This is not a freedom of speech issue.

Language is all about context. The black person calling you cracker is just as wrong to call you a hate-filled name as you would be to turn around and call him a nigger.

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Menoman

I mean its more of a hypocrisy issue, not a government crackdown.

It's the ridiculous hypocrisy of saying someone can't use a word based on skin color, especially when you can destroy them for using it.

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Then say that. Don't throw, "freedom of speech" around when you know it isn't the case. Hyperbole doesn't help the discussion.

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Plan9

Been said, but when was the last time that "cracker" caused the media to riot?

Just as wrong and yet not.

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Mister Coaster

It doesn't matter if you are a hatemonger, racist ass or someone who uses the word lightheartedly. The word "nigger" simply cannot be said in ANY context without someone being offended. Strange Famous nailed it perfectly, it doesn't matter what the word has morphed into by 2007, because it also still means its original definition, period.

Freedom of speech? Please... You can't go around town yelling "FUCK!" at the top of your lungs and not expect to be kicked out of businesses, questioned by police and ultimately arrested. And you cannot say "nigger" without turning heads, making people think you are a racist or perhaps simply get your ass kicked. And if you are a public figure, you sure as hell will have to come back with an apology.

AND finally, the N word originated in the South, as did slavery, as did Jim Crow laws, as did seggregation, as did the KKK. This is what I meant about the man being from the South, and you know it. But what do I know? I'm just a whitebread, kracker-ass, drunken Irishman.

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Psycho Dad

The use of the word nigger as we know it may have came from the South but some hold that it is from the Latin word niger, meaning black. And slavery has been in practice before written history I'd wager. And I'd think you would have to yell fuck with the appearance of being nutty as a sack of squirrel shit to get any attention from the cops let alone be arrested.

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LoganSnake

I'm a Jew and you don't see me calling other Jews kikes. What's your point? If you're Jewish and I call you a kike it's okay for me to do so because I'm Jewish? A racial slur is a racial slur. I find it quite ridiculous that only a certain race is entitled to saying it without it being a huge deal.

The whole shit's been blown out of proportion. I'm actually more appalled at the actions of his son.

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waltert

thats funny, I've never heard that, but I HAVE heard: "you can take the nigger out of the jungle, but you cant take the jungle out of the nigger"

ah well...


anyway, dog's a goofy fugger, their costumes are amusing, and I honestly like watching the show every now and then.

hopefully the show wont fade into oblivion....I never suspected this ex con of being some saint, and a 30 second rant on niggers is hardly out of character.

Mister Coaster

Good Christ, do I have to spell out every word? When I say THE SOUTH, I mean in the united States of America. These things originated and evolved IN THE SOUTHERN region of THE UNITED STATES. And we are talking about the use of the word today in Western culture, and most TFP'ers are in North America. TRY to think of relevant arguements, k?

As for the yelling of fuck, I meant repeatedly and at the top of your lungs. Try it and tell me what happens.

And for my final word on the subject, if you think it's OK to call, refer to or otherwise think of Blacks as "Niggers'" you just go right ahead. Eventually, you'll get your ass kicked. Have fun with that.

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waltert

I'm sure the people who will assault someone for that are just as likely to assault them for looking at them the wrong way, being in the wrong place in the wrong time, or being white.