Scott

Anyone ever had any experience with no2? I was talking to some employees at the GNC store here and they seemed to be behind it, although I don't know if it's actually a good product or if they were looking to make a sale. A link to where they sale and talk a little about it is <a href="http://www.drugstore.com/qxp79407_333181_sespider/no2/growth_enhancing_hemodilator_caplets.htm">here</a>.

Scott

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Mine's sitting right next to the transporters that I bought for 35 cents.

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scope

Laugh at me, but this stuff scares the crap out of me. Who knows what chronic effects these chemicals may have?
I would suggest going for something doctor recommended, not recommended by a salesperson.

Ho-train

That stuff sounds awesome...almost too good to be true/good for you. For all those awesome effects i think it'd only make sense for there to be some negative, long term effects.

That doesn't mean i wouldn't try it

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Scott

A very close friend of mine is a Doctor, and I have told him that I have started taking no2, creatine, and protein now along with my workouts. He didn't mention anything about whether it would have any long term effects or such, but he may just doesn't know as it is a new product. I'll keep reading around. Thanks for the replies.

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BillyBaldwin

I've been trying it. It works pretty well, I think, or else the placebo effect is good.

I went from repping 55 lbs. on the decline dumbell bench to 85 lbs. in 2.5 weeks. Gives ya a weird-ass feeling.

RemyLebeau97

I've heard about this NO2 stuff and actually I was thinking about going to pick some up this afternoon. I was reading an article about it and like u all said, they listed all the pros but not the cons if any at all. Also heard a bottle runs about $80 dollars. Im wondering if it's worth the money though, it's promises results in 5 days so I might buy a bottle and check it out. I'd really like to know the negative effects of it though cause it really does sound too good to be true. Hope everyone can post some more info. about it, I'd really like to learn more about NO2 before I go spending my $$ on it.

AbouVZ

I am currently taking this stuff as well. Personal gains are at a high right now and it is really impressing me!

mepitans

My friend is taking it with creatine protien and some other stuff. He says it is working awesome. Everything I have read about it has been good too.

RemyLebeau97

I have been using NO2 for 8 days now and so far it's working great. I am waiting til the 10th day so I can start loading creatine ontop of it. You can start to see effects by the 6th day and you'll notice that you do keep all your pumps from the gym. You take 8 pills a day, 4 pills 30 minutes before breakfast and 4 pills 30 minutes before lunch. That's if your under 200 lbs, if your over 200 lbs then you just substitute the 8 pills a day to 10 pills a day. 180 caplets per bottle by the way. I can't really give you all good results until I finish using it but so far it's working great, so I will say that the bulk is worth the buck. 79.99 a bottle but if you happen to be a GNC gold card member it's 63.99. I highly recommend it, thanks

RemyLebeau97

Oh by the way, the only negative effect I know of are cold sores, I've only had one since I started on it though.

Trilidon

isnt No2 just L arginine and L ornithine?

Can buy a stack of like 200 for 5 bucks at vitaminshop ;P

ronan

i wouldnt be wasteing any money on it, it does nothing

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trialzin

OK what happens when you stop taking it, is it like roids and your body shrinks?

AbouVZ

Can't really argue with that as you have no factual evidence nor even comments other than you not liking it for that matter.

I'm almost done with a bottle of it and it has definately given an extra kick to my workout. I have read a lot about it and it increases the nutrient delivery to your muscles which is the "pump" everyone describes. That's why you are encouraged to eat immediately afterwards. Anyways I haven't found any side effects so far except there is a listed caustion of not taking it with Ephdra (who uses that anyways) and it supposedly can cause sleeping troubles which I haven' had.

Courious as to others results....

ronan

placebo effect?

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debaser

If you want to be stronger, increase your protien intake and work out. Don't go for quick fixes and gimmicks.

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fantazio

ronans posts are always bad advice,so dont take concern to them

anyway No2 i have heard good things of.. there is a cheaper alternative that works better for some.. its called Nox2? something like that.
anyway

there are no long term affects of Creatine.. as its natural just like Protein. creatine is found in red meat. there are non responders to creatine out there.. like me. but ill try again in a month to see if maybe itll start working for me.

for the non responders theres V12,which I hear is great

basically what creatine and v12 do is increase the amount of ATP your body produces,therfor giving you more energy,which results in strength increase and body size increase(water weight)

its not a gimick,its proven.. some olympicweightlifters started taking it and got a 5% strength increase or something. forgot the link

ronan

obviously fantazio thinks he knows all

creatine not saying in everyone and is dosage related can increase your liver values

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fantazio

taking the recommended amount you will not get liver damage.

debaser

Creatine is just muscle for the terminally lazy. It doesn't even build strength, just muscle mass, and it does that through water retention. Yeah, you may gain a bit of extremely short term strength from the sugars colocated with that water, but in the end you are just gonna be heavier and no stronger. If you want to get fit, do it the old fashioned way.

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fantazio

debaser.. for bodybuilding purposes thats a wonder drug. and its not true. many people experience strength loss after stopping their creatine cycle,and this isnt "short term strength" either.

ronan

i wouldnt say creatine is a wonder drug i have tryed it a few years back and did nothing for me but again thats is not saying it cant work for anyone else but as far as it being a wonder drug, in bodybuilding there is only one real "wonder drug".

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RemyLebeau97

Is that all it is?? Are you taking L arginine and L ornithine? How's it working out for you ??

Crazboos

I took Creatine for a bit and it helped with the workouts, but also made me feel bloated. So I got this bright idea - I dropped all over-the-counter workout gimmicks and altered my actual workout. I increased my weight amount so I'd fail at 6 to 8 reps on the first set. Rested for 1 min and did 3 more sets witht the same weight. The last 3 sets were tough and I barely got 3 reps on the 4th set. My body started trying to adjust and surprise I started getting stronger. This happened across the board. I'm more cut-up, stronger, and saving money by not buying all that in-the-bottle strength increaser stuff. Not to mention that I'm doing it all naturally. I think all of us need to stop trying the quick fix and realize natural is the simplest way to go. What are you going to do when you're 60 years old? Go to GNC and get the senior citizen discount on the creatine or other stuff? Try this for 2 months and see what happens.

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dabossy2k

Damn I checked out the website on this stuff and I think I just might have to try it. I've kinda hit a plataeu. I've tried a lot of different work outs to get me out of it and nothing seems to work. Think I just might try it.

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debaser

Amen.

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mlewand007

Hi! My son is 17 and has been taking this for 2 months. He has seen some difference, however, last night he had a nosebleed that lasted 7 hours. We were in emergency room and they did a test for blood clotting...a test that is normal under 6 minutes. After 22 minutes, my son's blood had not clotted. He is a clean kid w/ no drugs/alcohol for those who may wonder. Just a good teenager who wanted to buff up and looks like the increased blood flow from NO2 was alittle much. Just wanted to pass this along to all....

thingstodo

Another amen to that. Someone else said a side effect is cold sores. I usually get them when I'm run down, so that doesn't sound good.

Why do people feel they need to take a bunch of crap to get stronger? If you can't get there from working out, perhaps you aren't supposed to get there. And what does it do for you anyway? Are you making a bunch of money from being a body builder? All you need to do is like yourself!

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VitaminH

Step back and ask yourself just how much education a GNC clerk has in this sort of thing. I'm not sure, but my guess would be none. I'm a pharmacist, and from everything I know, nothings going to be the magic pill for bodybuilding. Work out properly, get a trainer if you have too, eat appropriately with enough protein to build muscle and you will see results. It worked for me.



One cold sore in 8 days isn't what I'd call a very positive evaluation. One every 8 days would be way to many for me, considering they usually last more than a week, and I have only had about 2 in my entire life.

This is probably the best advice, in my opinion in this thread.


I'd sit here and counterargue all of fantazio's posts, but seeing as to how he's banned I won't bother.

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ChasingAmy

My creatine gains were temporary (and I think clinical studies show that you lose about 10% of your strength when you stop using it) 2 1/2 years ago when I used it for a while.

I supplemented a protein with an no2 in it (can't remember the product) it is interesting the effect you get from it. In my opinion it is (like creatine) mostly water retention. Being vasilodators (increasing bloodflow etc to the muscles) that is their main function. Yes I did retain a "pump" long after a workout... but (now that I look back on it) I think I probably looked pretty silly because of all the water I was very "soft" looking.

My two cents.

My training has been kicking ass lately. All I supplement with is protein, calcium before and during workouts (1000 mg both times) glutamine to reduce catabolism (of muscle proteins) and a thermo (gurauna good ole caffeine!) and a multi.

I think if you just work hard you will see the major gains. I think people just have to realize that you have to ease into the heavy lifting (where you gain size/bulk). Don't just try to lift heavy for the sake of getting big (esp if you are unexperienced).

My results in the since November when I start lifting again:
Starting wieght: 290 lbs
Present: 255 lbs
No strength loss... still gaining with all the wieght loss!

Hard work. Thats the most important thing.

Sorry for the long post... hope some of it is useful at least.

Cheers!

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VitaminH

Just a point here, your body can only absorb roughly 400mg of Calcium at a time. If you're popping 2000mg before and during your workout, assuming that's relatively close together, you're just pooping out most of it. Just something to keep in mind.

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stevie667

Creatine works as thus:

Your cells do all their functions by using little teeny tiny packets of energy called ATP (adenosine tri-phosphate), which are the products of the respiration of glucose (the breakdown into useable parts, otherwise it would be like putting crude oil into your car).
When any type of work is undertaken, ATP is broken down into ADP (adenosine DI-phosphate), releasing a little bit of energy which is used to do whatever needs to be done.

The clever bit is, your body then sticks another phosphate back on the ADP to form ATP again. Endless recycling basically.
Unfortunatly, this can only happen so fast before your cells have to stop their work to build back their energy stores.

What creatine does is enter your cells as Creatine BI-Phosphate, and if you were paying attention before, these phosphates are what we need. The ADP comes along, nicks the phosphate off the creatine, thus reforming back into ATP considerably quicker than before.
Creatine gives your cells a new 'energy' source for short burst work. What this equates to is a couple more reps/few more pounds or kgs weight. More lifting on your behalf equals more muscle building (simplified).

Creatine also has the knack of sucking loads of water into your cells, so you bloat up. The extra water in your muscles gives the illusion of super-duper muscle growth, which people get dispondant about when they stop the creatine and drop the water.
The strength loss is only the loss of extra 'energy' that your cells were using. Most people will find that after a good stint on creatine, they will work out using more weight and be a bit heavier. Good stuff for breaking through plateus.

I don't like creatine, i already hold loads of water for various reasons, and it makes me sweat like a pig even walking up the stairs.



NO2 acts as a vasodilator, opening up all your bloodvessels so they can accomodate more flow. More blood to your muscles means more glucose to be used to power the cells, so more work can be done. It also means that more nutrients go into the cells, so possibly more growth. The pumps stay longer because the vessels stay maxed open for longer.
As stated before, problems can arise when you get a cut. The wider blood vessels can make clotting difficult, leading to constant bleading. If this does happen, ALWAYS visit a doctor or accident and emergancy department, although it may be the NO2, there are lots of very nasty things out there that inhibit blood clotting.


Switching around your training can help your break through a hard training spot just as well as supplements. Not that i don't say use them of course

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ChasingAmy

Vitamin H,

I messed up, I am taking 1000mg Calcium Carbonate which = 400 mg of elemental calcium.

I take it an hour before my workout and usually an hour into it.

Cheers!

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thingstodo

Well...sounds pretty bad to me. I mean, if your blood vessels were supposed to be wider, they probably would be. Or, you could do something naturally to make them so. This is pretty scary! Might as well just inject something directly into the muscle...oh, wait, they already do that!

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stevie667

Sorry, you seem to have fallen fowl of me not explaining stuff properly

The NO2 will dilate your vessels to their maximum size and keep them that size for longer, where as your body may not do that naturally duiring a workout. It shouldn't push them further than they can normally expand, but nonetheless, its something that could be dangerous if you took too much.

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VitaminH

Ahhh, well then I'd say you're cool. Probably not pooping out to much.

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hossified

NO2 is a joke....it gives you a short term answer.....it dilates your blood vessels so you (muscles) become engorged with blood.....if you excercise hard, the exact same thing will happen. Doesn't really give you any extra strength or results.....now if you buy the kind that is mixed with creatine, than you get the benefits of the creatine....but really......would be more beneficial to just take creatine on its own...

tenchi069

I find that a little creatine before a workout, not the massive amounts reccommended, help make it a little easier to do the same amount of weight for successive reps. That way you get more workout in your workout. The little amount of creatine doesn't retain that much water so you don't gain the *instant size* that some creatine users like.

If you want something to dialate your blood vessels, CONSULT YOUR DOC, and ask if taking 150mg of asprin, usually half a regular strength tablet, before your workout would be safe for you. DO NOT do this if you have any problems with heart or blood pressure, which is why I say again, BEFORE asprin CALL DOC.

Lastly, if you want your body to gain weight and lose body fat, use this simple formula.

"Exert muscles with more weight than they are used to + drink lots of water 64 ounces or so per day + eat more calories than you burn."

"If you want your body to lose weight and lose body fat"
Tone muscles through daily use ( walking, jumpjacks, etc ) + drink lots of water 64 ounces or so per day + eat less calories than you burn.

If you want your body to gain weight and gain body fat
Buy 7 cases of your favorite soda pop ( 1 per day of week ) + eat anything you want making sure that calories in is higher than calories out + turn on tv + tune out rest of world *Disclaimer...DO NOT DO THIS....included only out of sense of humour and completeness

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tenchi069, it is incorrect to say that you "tone" muscles through walking/jumping jacks, etc.

"Toning" muscles is really a misnomer, in my opinion. There are two ways to improve the "tone" [i.e. the look] of your muscles. First off, the one thing preventing "tone" is body fat. First, you can lift weights to increase the size of your muscles and improving the look. Second, you can lose body fat (caloric deficit), which will reduce the fat covering your muscles and will improve the "tone" of your muscles.

Hope this helps.

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