yatzr

My mom told me the other day that she heard that there was a study on homogenized milk and they found that when they break the fat down, it gets so small it can skip digestion and enter straightly into the bloodstream. You can see how this would cause problems. Has anyone else heard of this? My mom's an RN so I trust her judgement on health things, but i've been drinking 2% all my life and now i'm kinda freakin out about it. I couldn't find anything else on this, i was just wondering if anyone else knew anything about it.

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My understanding is that this isn't a problem unless you're consuming copious amounts of it on a daily basis.

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bigoldalphamale

yeah...milk has been the leading cause of "milk straight into the bloodstream" related deaths for hundreds, even thousands of years. *switches sarcasm off* i think you will be fine man. milk is a great source of too many things to nix it from your diet. besides, is there any other way to eat cereal?

Charlatan

Just drink skim milk... all the great taste with none of the fat...

The only thing that freaks me out about milk is the high levels of hormones... The shit they inject into cows these days to keep their production levels up is scary.

Go organic.

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KoKenZen

Yo im a vegan and the low down on milk is such it is shit for your heres why the benifits of milk are entirly markiting campane though they stoped using the dairy company for school nutriton info the seeds of it are still planted. the calcium in milk is undigestible what gives you ostioperosis is eating foods with high acididity such as meat milk and eggs, your body releses calcium from your bones to restor your blood ph to normal. furthermore the cows milk you might drink is full of artificial chemicals and hormones cows produce three lieters of milk in the wild and are drugged to produce three galons so the quality suffers like a bitch all in all milk is trash

MacGnG

well i havent heard of it. and since there are still got milk commercials, doubt its a problem

bigoldalphamale

vegans = conspiracy theorists?

interesting.

Stimmed

Anyone have a source for this information? I drink a ton of organic skim milk everyday... So is only the non organic stuff bad for you? I drink a ton, like 1/2 gallon a day... Its pretty much all I drink besides water.

Lucky24601

If you still believe in everything your TV tells you, get a clue. The American society is driven by money and advertising is money. The american dairy council has been feeding this crap to people for years. Just look at it this way. Your drinking something intended for the young of another species. If cows milk were good for humans why would human milk be so different. We were not intended to drink milk past our infant stage and it holds more nutritional danger than good. Start doing some research from sources that aren't driven by the almighty dollars.

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Duck2Day

Oh man...this sucks for me, I think milk tastes so good, now your telling me it's bad for my body? What am I going to drink now? *is completely serious in saying this*

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mistic84

Check this site out...I was a bit surprised.

http://www.notmilk.com/

Slims

As I understand it, you get more usable calcium out of orange juice (esp. calcium fortified orange juice) than milk. Milk has more, but you body has trouble using it.

I rarely drink milk, but I dont' shun it entirely. I don't want to become lactose intolerant.

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paddyjoe

Not drinking milk won't cause your body to stop producing the enzyme that breaks down lactose. Mrs. paddyjoe is severely lactose intolerant, so when we shop we have to read the ingredient list on everything. You would be amazed at the amount of products that have some level of lactose. The list won't just say milk or butter either, but whey, non-fat skim milk, lactose, amongst others. If you're as intolerent as she is, one wrong bite could make her sick for two or three days. Luckily, more and more companies are making really good lactose free foods. She can even drink all the milk she wants by drinking Lactaid. (sorry, not meant to be a commercial). Remember though, you still need a certain amount of calcium, but is suppose that would be a whole new thread.

LittleOralAnnie

I have been drinking milk as far back as I can remember and I'm not about to give it up whether it's bad for me or not. Nothing beats a icy cold glass of milk with cookies

Phaenx

*Throws eggs*

Boo!! Skim milk tastes nothing like real milk! It's like water and ground up chalk.

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axolotls

Obviously, not drinking milk turns you into an atrocious speller.

Well, anyways, are we really supposed to drink something that comes out of a cow's udder?

Eviltree

LMAO, Thats exactly what I what I was thinking as I read that, I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand any of that.

Kabsnow

thats why i always drink "full" anything.

its true.

the stuff they put in diet soda and non-fat foods, kills rats or makes them mentally retarded. and rats have very similer nervous system/brain/body as us (as strange as that may seem, its true also)

Peetster

Just remember what milk is and what it's purpose is: A high energy nutritous food for infants. It's loaded with sugar. Yes, Lactose is a sugar. Therefore, it's loaded with carbs. If you are watching carbs, which many will agree is the key metric to weight loss, milk will hurt your efforts.

Stay away from the low fat stuff.

bermuDa

I don't like milk except with my cereal. I've heard that there are better sources of calcium, including some sort of japanese coral... if anyone knows where to get this coral, please let me know.

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beach66

japan?

seriously though, i think that there are better sources of calcium than milk, but all things considered, i think that you'd be hard pressed to find something to replace it for everything it provides.

coming back once again to everything in moderation...

crow_daw

Holy shit, there are billions of people worldwide who drink milk, and many of those people drink a LOT of milk. I HIGHLY doubt its that bad for you. We simply would've heard about it by now, on a very large scale.

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mvassek

The best Japanese Coral Calcium I have found of late is Barefoot Coral calcium Plus. You can find it at most drug stores including Walmart around $15.00/ 30 day supply.

Matt

bing bing

It's actually a protein and not a fat that causes the proclaimed problems. Beta-casein type 1 or something similar.

Meg

That's what I've always heard.

Mael

i'm sorry, but after reading that, i feel like drinking 10 gallons of milk, fileting a cow or two, and maybe even clubbing a baby seal.

Janie

Amen! Skim milk is not real milk, and will never taste like real milk. As for drinking milk and the dangers of doing so, I don't believe most of it. Yes, infants under 12 months aren't supposed to drink cow's milk. Infants are supposed to drink mum's milk. Simple as that. I've been drinking milk all my life, from your standard 3.25% grocery store milk, to straight from the cow milk that, believe it or not, often has higher fat percentages. Still thin, still healthy, no diabetes in sight. Not a single person in my entire family has ever gotten sick from drinking milk. I ain't giving it up.

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westothemax

I don't think it would make a difference if there were studies that proved milk was bad for people.

Look at cigarettes. It is well known that they can cause cancer and kill people, but billions of people still smoke. Even when there's a Surgeon General's warning right on the packaging, too.

motdakasha

Originally, I had heard of this from my father after he read an article about it in Reader's Digest. I thought it was really interesting info and I wanted to share with you all. I searched for discussion of milk and this was the only thread that came up. I figured this is kind of related, so instead of making a new thread, I'm just going to add to this one. Moderators, if you think this should be a new thread, feel free to move it.

Article from http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/

For more information, please contact:
Nutrition and Health News Bureau, 312-240-2880
E-mail, ndc@dairyinformation.com
DRINK THIS! NEW STUDY FINDS LOWFAT MILK MAY HELP REDUCE OBESITY RISK


Study Heralds the Power of Lowfat Dairy Foods in Helping Control Body Fat and Helping Reduce the Risk of Obesity


ROSEMONT, IL., Nov. 17, 1999 - Lowfat dairy foods such as milk, yogurt and cheese, may help control body fat, according to a study presented today at the North American Association for the Study of Obesity (NAASO) Annual Meeting. This is good news for all Americans, especially the 97 million who are overweight and struggle to lose extra pounds.

"We have shown that a diet rich in lowfat dairy foods affects the way in which fat cells do their job," said the study's lead researcher Michael Zemel, Ph.D., department head and director of nutrition, Nutrition Institute, University of Tennessee. "A diet high in lowfat dairy causes fat cells to make less fat and turns on the machinery to breakdown fat, which translates into a significantly lower risk of obesity."

Locating the Link: Lowfat Dairy and Control Body Fat
In this study, four different diets were administered to separate groups of mice. The diet highest in lowfat dairy foods yielded the greatest results in helping control body fat. To apply these findings to the American human population, the researchers analyzed the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) data set. After controlling for caloric-intake, physical activity and other factors, body fat was markedly lowered in people who consumed more dairy.

Women Win with Lowfat Dairy
While the study shows positive fat reduction results for all adults, women benefit most by consuming lowfat dairy foods each day. "What we found is that women who consumed at least three servings of lowfat dairy foods per day were at the lowest risk of becoming obese," said Dr. Zemel. "In fact, there was an 80 percent reduction in risk for any given level of calorie intake."

Mistakenly, people may cut out milk, yogurt and cheese when trying to control weight gain or lose weight. "This study reinforces the importance of lowfat milk and Milk Group foods in a well-balanced daily diet," said Jean Ragalie, R.D., vice president, dairy marketing communications, National Dairy Council. "We've known for some time that lowfat dairy foods may help reduce the risk of osteoporosis, high blood pressure and possibly even colon cancer - now we can add to that list the important role lowfat dairy plays in a healthy weight loss plan."

Lowfat Dairy, Reducing Obesity Evidence Continues to Support the Dairy/Weight Loss Connection
"This study supports a growing body of evidence linking a dairy-rich diet to obesity reduction and lack of weight gain," Ragalie added. Further evidence of the dairy/weight loss connection was presented at the 1999 Experimental Biology Annual Meeting in April. The research, from Purdue University, examined the calcium intakes of women ages 18-31 during a two-year period and found that women who got their calcium from dairy foods experienced greater weight-loss benefits than those who used non-dairy sources or supplements.

In fact, Dr. Zemel's study was conducted in part to substantiate a link between lowfat dairy and body fat reduction that was first noticed nearly 10 years ago in a study of African American men. Although the objective of this earlier study was to examine the role of a dairy-rich diet's role in reducing hypertension, the results also showed that adding two cups of yogurt reduced participants body fat by about 11 pounds. This was an important finding that helped lead to the new study connecting dairy foods with helping to control body fat.

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One of my friends pointed out the fact that of course the national dairy council would report good things about milk. However, if you read the whole article, you'll notice that the study wasn't originally intended to prove milk would help control obesity. This information was actually stumbled upon quite accidently, so I think it's pretty unbiased for what it is. What are you thoughts? Is it still biased? Do you believe it? Will you start eating & drinking more diary products?

Personally, I love dairy since it's one of the few things that doesn't make my digestive tract react in an adverse manner. So for me, this is just good to hear that what I'm doing is also beneficial to my health.

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milk is has a low acidity level in comparison to many other fluids like OJ, coffee, and soda. as someone who suffers from GERD, i can assure you that milk is low in acid because it's one of the few things i *can* drink. milk is only .5 off from being neutral. unless you eat soap, most (all?) foods are acidic leaning toward very acidic, especially fast foods.
article on how milk counteracts soda's damage to teeth:
http://masseynews.massey.ac.nz/2002/...eeth_milk.html
article listing the pH levels of food:
http://urbanwatershed.org/modules/pH/pH.htm

calcium is digested the same no matter what the food source. the only thing you really need be concerned about is calcium supplements. sometimes they use things which could have other things in it to be worried about. also, it calcium is absorbed into the body better when you eat fat with it. milk is a healthy combination of the two. so unless you eat meat with your supplement to get some fat with it, your body will flush most of the calcium out rather than take it in.

p.s. i took a nutrition class.

random fact: milk completely void of fat is actually blue. they put some fat back into nonfat milk for coloring effect. that's why it has that blue tint.

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I second Mael's notion (and in fact ate nothing but meat tonight to spite vegans in general).

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LOL...my sentiments exactly.

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Darkblack

Yes, milk is bad for you. A lot of things are.

If you take everything in moderation though you wont have any problems. The only think I hate about dairy products is the hormones they put in them. Our young daughters are sprouting a lot quicker than they used to and I think dairy has a lot to do with it.

Just remember that too much of anything is bad.

pocon1

nothing to say

ricemilkrules

Stop drinking milk. The people on here that say u need it, have been brainwashed to believe that day after day , billboard after billboard. Milk causes internal bleeding. If u eat right, u can get ur calcium from other sources. Fortified orangejuice is good. To the people who say just drink 2%. All youre doing is getting ripped off. It's just watered down milk for same price. If youre going to buy 2%, u might as well by whole milk and water it down urself, and have more of it for the same price. Rice milk is really good and u can make it easily yourself. http://vegweb.com/recipes/drink/rice-milk.shtml The price of rice milk has gone up because they know people are catching on to this milk bad for u stuff and decided to try to capitalize on us healthy eaters. I make my own out of brown rice and only use it on cereal. I stopped drinking milk 2 years ago and doc says im in great shape...thanks doc.

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Imagine starting your day with an estrogen pill,
followed by progesterone, prolactin, melatonin, oxytocin,
and 50+ other hormones including gastrointestinal peptides
and hypothalamic hormones. It is no wonder that the Townsend
Medical Letter noted the following in May of 1995:

"In reality, cow's milk, especially processed cow's milk,
has been linked to a variety of health problems, including:
mucous production, hemoglobin loss, childhood diabetes,
heart disease, atherosclerosis, arthritis, kidney stones,
MOOD SWINGS, depression, irritability, allergies."


www.notmilk.com

G5_Todd

lol i drink about 8 glasses of milk a day...

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stevie667

Does milk give you cancer yet?

I drink some 20-30 pints a week, and apart from the odd bit of gas, and some weight gain (of the good kind) i'm all happy.

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raeanna74

I doubt drinking milk is all bad as has been said here. Here's why. My grandma didn't drnk much milk during the depression. She didn't drink all that much during the War either I believe. Once she had grandchildren she found out that she was allergic to milk, beef, chicken eggs, and numerous other food items. From that time on she only drank soy milk. The year before she died her gall bladder had to be removed and the description that my mom gave me of that organ was that it was black with infection. Also she lost about 5 inches in height during her later years from osteoperosis and I know she took vitamin suppliments and made sure she got more than the minimum daily allowance of calcium.

She had plenty of health concerns and they were obviously not a result of drinking milk. If anything she had osteoperosis which to me supports the claim that the calcium in milk is needed by the body.

I will just drink in moderation. I LOVE whole milk but as a family we drink 2% because none of us seem to gain as much weight that way. We also don't drink that much milk but make sure we eat the amount of vegetables that we should. Keeping a balance in what you eat never seems to be dangerous.

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Grasshopper Green

There have been some links of milk to increased rates of colon, breast, and prostate cancer. I'm not a scientist...this is just what my dad (whos wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and really read up on this) has told me and from sites I've read on (such as notmilk.com). I'm not trying to flame or start an argument, I just happen to agree with this theory.

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Martian

Well, I know milk's unhealthy for me, but then I'm lactose intolerant.

I tried Lactaid, but after so long of not drinking milk, I just can't stomache it anymore. I don't like the taste.

I take a calcium+vitamin D supplement daily (the vitamin D is crucial in calcium absorption) and that seems to do me fine.

But I reckon, to each his own. It doesn't seem like anything's been conclusively proven yet, so if you like milk, go ahead and drink it.