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Tamerlain · 02-10-2007, 07:56 PM

May 13-26, I'm pretty excited. Right now our (girlfriend and I) tentative plan is to go from:

Paris > Zurich > Lugano > Venice > Naples > Rome > Florence > Pisa > Turin > Nice > Marseille > Bordeaux and back to Paris.

That's 12 cities in 13 days, which I'm kind of hesitant about. I don't want to spend all of our time travelling. I know you can get lots of trains that travel overnight, so you don't lose any sightseeing time, but that still seems like an unnecessary amount of travelling. My girlfriend and I differ in our opinions in how to see Europe though. She wants to do the tourist things while I want to wander around aimlessly and find things on our own. Twelve cities in 13 days doesn't really leave much time to explore. Any ideas? It's not a huge deal to cut down on the cities, but they are all cities I would like to see if possible...

Another thing I was thinking about was laundry. Thirteen days = lots of dirty clothes. I know you can do laundry in hostels, but that seems like unnecessary downtime. Again, any ideas? Personally I don't mind lugging around dirty clothes, but again, my girlfriend and I have differing opinions on the subject.

That's about all I can think of now, but I'm sure I'll have more questions between now and the time I leave.

Thanks in advance!

-Tamerlain

Charlatan · 02-10-2007, 08:29 PM

You are going to want to cut down on some of those cities. Seriously.

You are only giving yourself about 12 to 15 hours per city, max. Not enough to even begin to scatch the surface.

I would cut it down by at least a third. This will give you at least two days and one night per city. The way it stands you will never really get a night in any city. Imagine that for a moment, no exploration of the nightlife. No clubs. No candlelit dinners (heck no dinners).

Don't try to see a little bit of everything. Take your time and see more of a few things.

hagatha · 02-11-2007, 06:03 AM

Yeah, cut back on that agenda. Vacations aren't supposed to be death marches. Remember you have to account for travel time between cities and any unexpected glitches that arrive. And what if you're really smitten with one particular city and want to explore it further?
If you and your girlfriend haven't travelled together before, this could be a real relationship tester. Just be aware of that.

zipper · 02-11-2007, 06:21 AM

You are GOING to be BUSY....We have been to Paris, Lugano, Venice, Naples, Rome, Florence, Pisa. If you want info on any of those places...let me know. We live about 40 minutes from Venice. Just PM, if you want info!

Ciao

shoegirl · 02-11-2007, 07:38 AM

I went to Paris, Brussels, and London last summer - incredible experience. I couldn't imagine trying to see all of those cities in such a short amount of time. Paris was incredible and I couldn't imagine seeing everything you'd want to see in less than 2-3 days.

abaya · 02-11-2007, 10:18 AM

Are you crazy? Or is your gf crazy? Sounds like it.

I backpacked around Europe with two other friends in 2002, and we took 45 days to go to 10 countries by train, and THAT was insane. No, seriously. We spent 1, maybe 2 nights in each city, most of the time staying with local friends I had (from studying in Iceland the year before). Even with the personal touch, it was an extremely demanding schedule and I would not recommend it for first time travelers. It will be a royal waste of your money and time, and you won't remember anything clearly.

For me personally, I had been around Europe twice before, so 1-2 nights was enough for me... the big European cities get boring fast, after you've done the tourist thing once. My friends had never left the US before, though, so they wanted to see everything all at once and got exhausted very quickly. I know one of them really wishes we had done things differently, but she never spoke her mind and got dragged along in the end.

Pick a handful of countries (no more than 4-5), a big city and a small town in each, and slow down a bit. Europe isn't going anywhere... you can always go back for a second dose later.

EDIT: clothes for 13 days is nothing. I wore a single pair of zip-off traveling pants my entire 45 days in Europe. I washed them 1-2 times a week (quick dry, in the hostel). Bring your own travel soap. Bring 2-3 pairs of underwear, and wash them every few days as well. A couple of shirts, a jacket, and walking shoes... and you're set. No, really, that's all you need. If your gf intends to go clubbing every night or something, she has the wrong idea about this trip (13 DAYS?!). Dress like you're going camping and wear the same clothes every other day, basically.

Tamerlain · 02-11-2007, 11:20 AM

Having never backpacked across Europe, I'd say crazy may apply. Like I said I've never done it so I came here looking for answers.

Going by what you guys have told me and what I've found on train schedules, 5-6 cities seems like it would be the most feasible.

My girlfriend and I have travelled before, so it's not an issue. We just travel... differently. I camp alot so I have no problem wearing the same clothes for extended periods of time. She's aware that this is a backpacking trip and that her options for dressing up are limited, but I thought I would ask anyway to see what other peoples' experiences have been.

Oh, I know something else I wanted to ask. Euros are accepted in any country which is part of the European Union, right?

And Zipper I will definitely PM you for some information once we trim our list.

-Tamerlain

Grasshopper Green · 02-11-2007, 12:06 PM

The only piece of advice that hasn't been touched on yet is to compromise on the way you visit the cities. Take some time to wander aimlessly, it's a great way to find hidden gems outside the realms of typical tourist-y places...but plan to see something in each city that you really want to see. I hate having my trips planned out completely, but I always make sure that I set some time aside to do things that I really want to do. Have fun

Tamerlain · 02-11-2007, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

The only piece of advice that hasn't been touched on yet is to compromise on the way you visit the cities. Take some time to wander aimlessly, it's a great way to find non-typical touristy things...but plan to see something in each city that you really want to see. I hate having my trips planned out completely, but I always make sure that I set some time aside to do things that I really want to do.

I think that will be the most challenging thing for us to overcome. My girlfriend is a planner and I'm not so much. I love getting lost and just wandering around aimlessly, but she gets anxious when she gets lost.

-Tamerlain

Charlatan · 02-11-2007, 02:41 PM

If you have more time to explore each space then you should also be able to make some time to be apart.

Let her go off on some organized bus tour while you go and get lost. I too am a big fan of just going for a wander. It's really hard to get completely lost when you have a map. To find your way back. But when you make no plans the likelihood that you will have a serendipitous moment is vastly increased.

As for the Euro issue, most members of the EU use the Euro but not all. Hungary didn't the last time I was there and the UK still doesn't. Just do a Google search on the country and you should be able to find out that sort of information.

Willravel · 02-11-2007, 02:44 PM

2 weeks in London last year wasn't enough for me.

Charlatan · 02-11-2007, 03:01 PM

I think you can have a lifetime in London and it wouldn't be enough.

mirevolver · 02-12-2007, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamerlain

Oh, I know something else I wanted to ask. Euros are accepted in any country which is part of the European Union, right?

Not all EU countries use the Euro for currency. Of the original 15 EU countries, the UK, Denmark and Sweden do not use the Euro. In May 2004 10 new countries joined the EU and of those, only Slovenia switched to the Euro on January 1, 2007. Also on January 1, 2007 Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU, neither country is on the Euro.

Also I see your current itinerary has you going through Switzerland. Switzerland is not an EU member, that means that they do not use the Euro, and at the Swiss border you will have a passport check.

Countries using the Euro:
Austria
Belgium
Finland
France (and Monaco)
Germany
Greece
Ireland
Italy (and Vatican City)
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Portugal
Spain (and Andorra)
Slovenia

For that amount of time you are visiting way too many cities. Even if you travel on the high speed trains such as the Eurostar, ICE, TGV, or Thalys; you will still be forced spend way too short a time in each city. For example, Paris to Zurich without getting off anywhere along the way is about 6-8 hours using high speed trains.

I've done a lot of traveling in Europe, but my specialty is Germany so if you change your itinerary to include any German cities, let me know.

A lot of good travel information can be found at www.wikitravel.org Just enter in a country, city or sometimes region and you'll get lots of good info as only the wikipedia people can give you.

Darth_Kettch · 02-12-2007, 10:10 AM

Me and my girlfriend travelled a bit in Italy last easter (five days in Rome->Two days in Florence->Three days in Venice), and we regretted prioritizing Venice over Florence. Venice is simply crawling with tourists, lines for every sight worth seeing, and just very... touristified. Florence allowed for a more leisurely pace, but we didn't bother standing hours in line for David. Then again, experiences vary

fresnelly · 02-12-2007, 08:07 PM

Having spent three weeks in Italy, I can't stress enough the need to slow down and focus your trip on a few whole cities rather than the 'Amazing Race' itinerary you've charted.

Do this for me: Imagine it's the evening in Turin, and you've just savoured a hearty meal of fresh pasta and a bottle of wine from the area, after spending the afternoon at the Mole - the unparalleled museum of the history of cinema. Do you and your Girlfriend...

A: Take a languid stroll back to your hotel through the glittering public squares while listening to buskers, taking in the 600 year old architecture, admiring the stylish locals and maybe stepping into one of the many inviting cafes for a cappuccino and pastry.

or...

B: Grab your packs from where they were stuffed under your tables and haul ass to the train station so you don't miss the 8:36 overnight to Nice. "Where's the map? I thought you had the tickets? Slow down I'm tired! No - turn left damnit!!"

Believe me. You want A.

Based on your list, I would at least cut out Naples. It may be the birthplace of Pizza, but it's also pretty grotty. You can get great authentic pizza in any city. We used it as a connection point for Pompei and Herculaneum, but didn't bother staying there.

Also, Nice is nice, but it's more a playground for the rich, so it's a good candidate for the axe too.

Tamerlain · 02-12-2007, 11:59 PM

Ok, the new itinerary is: Paris > Lugano > Venice > Rome > (Florence) > Marseille and then back to Paris to fly out.

Florence we haven't quite decided on, so it might get dropped. Either way it's much more manageable in the time we're going to be there.

Thanks for the Euro country list, mirevolver.

I've been checking train schedules to get an idea of the time between different cities. TGV train rides have mandatory reservations, but I've been reading that it's also suggested to reserve other train rides. This makes sense since the shortest ride is from Lugano to Venice and it's ~3 hours - we wouldn't really want to be sitting around for hours on end waiting for the longer trains if we don't have reservations. However, it leaves zero flexibility if we want to stay in one city for an extra day or leave a city a day early. Any thoughts? I'm not too keen on reserving trains before we leave, leaving zero flexibility, but I also don't want to miss the 12-14 hour train from Rome to Marseille.

-Tamerlain

zipper · 02-13-2007, 03:56 AM

OK....I agree w/most of your choices....Florence is awesome, by my favorite city in Italy. Paris should be the highlight of your trip, the ONLY thing I would change now would be Lugano, we spend the afternoon there and to be honest, didn't see much there. If you want a GREAT city on a very romantic lake, choose Luzern Switzerland, might be out of your travelling range, but it is WELL worth the trip!

Tamerlain · 02-13-2007, 07:56 AM

We chose Lugano because we've seen pictures of it and it looks beautiful, although I guess everywhere in Switzerland does... My uncle plays music there often and he recommended we go - plus it's only a few hours from Venice. We're also pretty set on checking out some ice caves there, apparently they're amazing. I will check out Luzern though, thanks for the suggestion.

-Tamerlain

mirevolver · 02-13-2007, 10:31 AM

Not having a reservation on a train doesn't mean you wont be able to board the train. It just means that you will probably not be able to get a seat on the train and you will have to spend your trip either standing or sitting on the floor between train wagons. I once spent 4 hours sitting on the floor between wagons traveling from Hanover to Nuernburg because I didn't buy a reservation.

As you said, there are some trains that do require reservations, such as the TGV or the ICE Sprinter. If you board a mandatory reservation train without one, you'll be fined on the train.

As long as both of you are not citizens of any European country, Russia, Morocco or Turkey, I would suggest looking into buying a Eurail three country select pass for France - Switzerland - Italy. With two people travelling together, the saver pass is a good option. Or if both of you are under 26, you can get a youth pass for a better price. There's more info at www.eurail.com

Tamerlain · 02-14-2007, 08:47 PM

Well standing/sitting on the floor isn't too bad.

We're definitely buying Eurail passes. I was looking on their website at the FAQ section and that's where my reservation question came from. It's $291 each for a 6 day in 2 months pass, which is perfect since we're only doing 6 days of travelling in the 13 days.

Thanks again mirevolver.

-Tamerlain

Tamerlain · 05-27-2007, 05:46 AM

I'm back! We had a great time.

We ended up seeing Paris, Bern, Venice and Rome. My favourite city was Bern, with Venice coming in at a close second. I've already started planning my next trip for this time next year.

I'll post some photos in a couple of days - I have to find the USB cable for my camera which is in a box somewhere...

Thanks again for all the input for the trip, it helped.

-Tamerlain

02-10-2007, 07:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	Going to Europe! May 13-26, I'm pretty excited. Right now our (girlfriend and I) tentative plan is to go from: Paris > Zurich > Lugano > Venice > Naples > Rome > Florence > Pisa > Turin > Nice > Marseille > Bordeaux and back to Paris. That's 12 cities in 13 days, which I'm kind of hesitant about. I don't want to spend all of our time travelling. I know you can get lots of trains that travel overnight, so you don't lose any sightseeing time, but that still seems like an unnecessary amount of travelling. My girlfriend and I differ in our opinions in how to see Europe though. She wants to do the tourist things while I want to wander around aimlessly and find things on our own. Twelve cities in 13 days doesn't really leave much time to explore. Any ideas? It's not a huge deal to cut down on the cities, but they are all cities I would like to see if possible... Another thing I was thinking about was laundry. Thirteen days = lots of dirty clothes. I know you can do laundry in hostels, but that seems like unnecessary downtime. Again, any ideas? Personally I don't mind lugging around dirty clothes, but again, my girlfriend and I have differing opinions on the subject. That's about all I can think of now, but I'm sure I'll have more questions between now and the time I leave. Thanks in advance! -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.

02-10-2007, 08:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	You are going to want to cut down on some of those cities. Seriously. You are only giving yourself about 12 to 15 hours per city, max. Not enough to even begin to scatch the surface. I would cut it down by at least a third. This will give you at least two days and one night per city. The way it stands you will never really get a night in any city. Imagine that for a moment, no exploration of the nightlife. No clubs. No candlelit dinners (heck no dinners). Don't try to see a little bit of everything. Take your time and see more of a few things. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-11-2007, 06:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
hagatha Addict	Yeah, cut back on that agenda. Vacations aren't supposed to be death marches. Remember you have to account for travel time between cities and any unexpected glitches that arrive. And what if you're really smitten with one particular city and want to explore it further? If you and your girlfriend haven't travelled together before, this could be a real relationship tester. Just be aware of that. __________________ Thats the last time I trust the strangest people I ever met....H. Simpson

02-11-2007, 06:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
zipper Crazy Location: Georgia, USA	You are GOING to be BUSY....We have been to Paris, Lugano, Venice, Naples, Rome, Florence, Pisa. If you want info on any of those places...let me know. We live about 40 minutes from Venice. Just PM, if you want info! Ciao __________________ "If you wait 'til the last minute, it will only take you a minute!" Visit my home page http://zhphotography.zenfolio.com/

02-11-2007, 10:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	Are you crazy? Or is your gf crazy? Sounds like it. I backpacked around Europe with two other friends in 2002, and we took 45 days to go to 10 countries by train, and THAT was insane. No, seriously. We spent 1, maybe 2 nights in each city, most of the time staying with local friends I had (from studying in Iceland the year before). Even with the personal touch, it was an extremely demanding schedule and I would not recommend it for first time travelers. It will be a royal waste of your money and time, and you won't remember anything clearly. For me personally, I had been around Europe twice before, so 1-2 nights was enough for me... the big European cities get boring fast, after you've done the tourist thing once. My friends had never left the US before, though, so they wanted to see everything all at once and got exhausted very quickly. I know one of them really wishes we had done things differently, but she never spoke her mind and got dragged along in the end. Pick a handful of countries (no more than 4-5), a big city and a small town in each, and slow down a bit. Europe isn't going anywhere... you can always go back for a second dose later. EDIT: clothes for 13 days is nothing. I wore a single pair of zip-off traveling pants my entire 45 days in Europe. I washed them 1-2 times a week (quick dry, in the hostel). Bring your own travel soap. Bring 2-3 pairs of underwear, and wash them every few days as well. A couple of shirts, a jacket, and walking shoes... and you're set. No, really, that's all you need. If your gf intends to go clubbing every night or something, she has the wrong idea about this trip (13 DAYS?!). Dress like you're going camping and wear the same clothes every other day, basically. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran Last edited by abaya; 02-11-2007 at 10:21 AM..

02-11-2007, 07:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
shoegirl Addict Location: Ohio	I went to Paris, Brussels, and London last summer - incredible experience. I couldn't imagine trying to see all of those cities in such a short amount of time. Paris was incredible and I couldn't imagine seeing everything you'd want to see in less than 2-3 days.

02-11-2007, 11:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	Having never backpacked across Europe, I'd say crazy may apply. Like I said I've never done it so I came here looking for answers. Going by what you guys have told me and what I've found on train schedules, 5-6 cities seems like it would be the most feasible. My girlfriend and I have travelled before, so it's not an issue. We just travel... differently. I camp alot so I have no problem wearing the same clothes for extended periods of time. She's aware that this is a backpacking trip and that her options for dressing up are limited, but I thought I would ask anyway to see what other peoples' experiences have been. Oh, I know something else I wanted to ask. Euros are accepted in any country which is part of the European Union, right? And Zipper I will definitely PM you for some information once we trim our list. -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.

02-11-2007, 12:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	The only piece of advice that hasn't been touched on yet is to compromise on the way you visit the cities. Take some time to wander aimlessly, it's a great way to find hidden gems outside the realms of typical tourist-y places...but plan to see something in each city that you really want to see. I hate having my trips planned out completely, but I always make sure that I set some time aside to do things that I really want to do. Have fun __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa Last edited by Grasshopper Green; 02-11-2007 at 04:52 PM..

02-11-2007, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	If you have more time to explore each space then you should also be able to make some time to be apart. Let her go off on some organized bus tour while you go and get lost. I too am a big fan of just going for a wander. It's really hard to get completely lost when you have a map. To find your way back. But when you make no plans the likelihood that you will have a serendipitous moment is vastly increased. As for the Euro issue, most members of the EU use the Euro but not all. Hungary didn't the last time I was there and the UK still doesn't. Just do a Google search on the country and you should be able to find out that sort of information. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-11-2007, 02:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	2 weeks in London last year wasn't enough for me.

02-11-2007, 03:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I think you can have a lifetime in London and it wouldn't be enough. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-12-2007, 10:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
Darth_Kettch Insane Location: Norway	Me and my girlfriend travelled a bit in Italy last easter (five days in Rome->Two days in Florence->Three days in Venice), and we regretted prioritizing Venice over Florence. Venice is simply crawling with tourists, lines for every sight worth seeing, and just very... touristified. Florence allowed for a more leisurely pace, but we didn't bother standing hours in line for David. Then again, experiences vary

02-12-2007, 08:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	Having spent three weeks in Italy, I can't stress enough the need to slow down and focus your trip on a few whole cities rather than the 'Amazing Race' itinerary you've charted. Do this for me: Imagine it's the evening in Turin, and you've just savoured a hearty meal of fresh pasta and a bottle of wine from the area, after spending the afternoon at the Mole - the unparalleled museum of the history of cinema. Do you and your Girlfriend... A: Take a languid stroll back to your hotel through the glittering public squares while listening to buskers, taking in the 600 year old architecture, admiring the stylish locals and maybe stepping into one of the many inviting cafes for a cappuccino and pastry. or... B: Grab your packs from where they were stuffed under your tables and haul ass to the train station so you don't miss the 8:36 overnight to Nice. "Where's the map? I thought you had the tickets? Slow down I'm tired! No - turn left damnit!!" Believe me. You want A. Based on your list, I would at least cut out Naples. It may be the birthplace of Pizza, but it's also pretty grotty. You can get great authentic pizza in any city. We used it as a connection point for Pompei and Herculaneum, but didn't bother staying there. Also, Nice is nice, but it's more a playground for the rich, so it's a good candidate for the axe too. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life Last edited by fresnelly; 02-12-2007 at 08:12 PM..

02-12-2007, 11:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	Ok, the new itinerary is: Paris > Lugano > Venice > Rome > (Florence) > Marseille and then back to Paris to fly out. Florence we haven't quite decided on, so it might get dropped. Either way it's much more manageable in the time we're going to be there. Thanks for the Euro country list, mirevolver. I've been checking train schedules to get an idea of the time between different cities. TGV train rides have mandatory reservations, but I've been reading that it's also suggested to reserve other train rides. This makes sense since the shortest ride is from Lugano to Venice and it's ~3 hours - we wouldn't really want to be sitting around for hours on end waiting for the longer trains if we don't have reservations. However, it leaves zero flexibility if we want to stay in one city for an extra day or leave a city a day early. Any thoughts? I'm not too keen on reserving trains before we leave, leaving zero flexibility, but I also don't want to miss the 12-14 hour train from Rome to Marseille. -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.

02-13-2007, 03:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
zipper Crazy Location: Georgia, USA	OK....I agree w/most of your choices....Florence is awesome, by my favorite city in Italy. Paris should be the highlight of your trip, the ONLY thing I would change now would be Lugano, we spend the afternoon there and to be honest, didn't see much there. If you want a GREAT city on a very romantic lake, choose Luzern Switzerland, might be out of your travelling range, but it is WELL worth the trip! __________________ "If you wait 'til the last minute, it will only take you a minute!" Visit my home page http://zhphotography.zenfolio.com/

02-13-2007, 07:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	We chose Lugano because we've seen pictures of it and it looks beautiful, although I guess everywhere in Switzerland does... My uncle plays music there often and he recommended we go - plus it's only a few hours from Venice. We're also pretty set on checking out some ice caves there, apparently they're amazing. I will check out Luzern though, thanks for the suggestion. -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.

02-13-2007, 10:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
mirevolver Inspired by the mind's eye. Location: Between the darkness and the light.	Not having a reservation on a train doesn't mean you wont be able to board the train. It just means that you will probably not be able to get a seat on the train and you will have to spend your trip either standing or sitting on the floor between train wagons. I once spent 4 hours sitting on the floor between wagons traveling from Hanover to Nuernburg because I didn't buy a reservation. As you said, there are some trains that do require reservations, such as the TGV or the ICE Sprinter. If you board a mandatory reservation train without one, you'll be fined on the train. As long as both of you are not citizens of any European country, Russia, Morocco or Turkey, I would suggest looking into buying a Eurail three country select pass for France - Switzerland - Italy. With two people travelling together, the saver pass is a good option. Or if both of you are under 26, you can get a youth pass for a better price. There's more info at www.eurail.com __________________ Aside from my great plans to become the future dictator of the moon, I have little interest in political discussions. Last edited by mirevolver; 02-13-2007 at 01:19 PM..

02-14-2007, 08:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	Well standing/sitting on the floor isn't too bad. We're definitely buying Eurail passes. I was looking on their website at the FAQ section and that's where my reservation question came from. It's $291 each for a 6 day in 2 months pass, which is perfect since we're only doing 6 days of travelling in the 13 days. Thanks again mirevolver. -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.

05-27-2007, 05:46 AM	#21 (permalink)
Tamerlain Insane Location: Victoria	I'm back! We had a great time. We ended up seeing Paris, Bern, Venice and Rome. My favourite city was Bern, with Venice coming in at a close second. I've already started planning my next trip for this time next year. I'll post some photos in a couple of days - I have to find the USB cable for my camera which is in a box somewhere... Thanks again for all the input for the trip, it helped. -Tamerlain __________________ I never let school interfere with my education.