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Crack · 05-09-2006, 01:54 PM

Unless you have some. Which I do not.

I am beginning to get very stressed out. I have been without a job now since mid December. I don't like it. I am normally a very happy, easy to please person. I can see it eating away at me, turning me into a grouchy, easily upsetable person. Even my girlfriend is starting to see it, and I think it is starting to take a toll on our relationship. I want to do all these things with her, normal things, like a movie, or go out to eat, and I can't. I have to limit myself when going out with friends, even where I eat, and here recently, if I eat at all. My savings are gone. I don't like being this way at all. I have always had pretty high paying jobs in the past, but now I feel pretty worthless. I have a few job prospects comming up, which hopefully work out. So things should get better, but right now, I don't know what to do.

Anyone else have to chage their lifestyle drastically to meet an extremely lowered income?

shesus · 05-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Crack, I know how you feel. While we make decent money, we like to spend it. We are also trying to get jj's photography career off the ground so that is causing a lot of debt. All I can say is this too will pass. Try to find a part-time job or something to make ends meet if you need to. I worked 2 jobs for 3 years after jj and I got married. I was working about 60-70 hours a week, but you have to do what you have to do.

I can't give any advice on the stress because I'm not good at handling it either. I have found that denial is good.

But good luck with everything and don't let it get you down too much. I have found that there are more important things than money and focusing on them sometimes help. I'm in the process of looking for a supplemental job now and while I'm not looking forward to 14 hour days, I know that I have made my mess and I need to take responsibility for it.

Mantus · 05-09-2006, 06:28 PM

I think most of us have been there now and then. Heck, some of the most successful people in the world had to hit a low before they pushed their way to the top.

So tell us, what's keeping you from getting a job right now?

Crack · 05-09-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mantus

So tell us, what's keeping you from getting a job right now?

just me being a snob mostly. I really wanted to find a job in my field (Network Admin/ Computer Support) and it's extremely hard right now where I live. I know all I would need is an interview, but they have been few and far between as such.

Carno · 05-09-2006, 08:21 PM

Stop being a snob.

Why do you think you're too special to get a job at McDonald's?

They pay money.

shoegirl · 05-09-2006, 08:28 PM

If they're few and far between, then look harder. Look in the paper, actually go to businesses to drop off resumes (don't assume that sending one online will suffice), just do something. Do anything to keep you from being so damn miserable. Work a shitty job that you'll hate because it will pay until you can get back on your feet. Don't sit around and focus solely on the fact that you don't have a job and can't get one, actually get out there and find a job. Even if it's a crappy job, it pays more than sitting around the house/your girlfriend's apartment all day.

Zeraph · 05-09-2006, 08:39 PM

Dealing with stress...I think on the nature of reality and how little it will ultimately matter, but that cheers me up, where it may have the opposite effect for some people so it may not work for everyone

Jinn · 05-09-2006, 09:08 PM

Keep in mind that you're starting to do other things you don't find acceptable becasue of the snobbery mentioned above. Eventually, those other things will be so overwhelming that you'll eventually cave and just get a job.

Why not just do it now, and stop yourself from going deeper? Just because you take a less than preferred job at a place you'd never dreamed you'd work doesn't mean you have to stop searching for the ideal job.

Work wherever you can get a job and check the classifieds every day if you have too -- there's nothing wrong with taking money from whoever will give it to you in the interim.

Unless you've got infinite time, get a job somewhere now or you're just wasting hours of life that could be paid for..

That's my take, at least..

ASU2003 · 05-09-2006, 09:50 PM

I was without a job for 10 months after I graduated college. I lived on $115/month after rent. I am an expert of living cheap.

When I didn't have a job, I worked on improving me. I had plenty of time to do whatever I needed to do, if I wanted to bike 2 hours a day, I could. If I wanted to swim and layout by the pool, I could. If I wanted to read a book, I could. If I wanted to sleep for 16 hours, I could. If I wanted to party all night with my friends, it happened.

When I look back on how I spent that time, I could have been more productive and spent longer hours looking for a job, but now that I have been working for 2 years, I wish I would have done more. I have a plan of what I am going to do next time I lose my job. It is going to be exciting and a positive change, rather than a negative thing.

It takes 6 months until you realize that the world around you is moving, but you aren't really a part of it. And living in poverty for more than 6 months is hard. So, remember that it will get better eventually. And you never know what an entry level job will lead to. Set aside a few hours to work on getting a job, and don't just watch TV and surf the Internet. I cut back a lot, and I am glad I did. Make sure your resume proves your skills to employers and make it sound like you are appling for the job because you love the line of work, not because they have an opening and you want to get paid.

vanblah · 05-10-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crack

Money, the root of all evil. Unless you have some.

Actually, in my experience it's the people with all the money who are most evil.

StormBerlin · 05-10-2006, 12:02 PM

I'm sort of in the same boat. I haven't been unemplyed for as long as you have, but I still hate it. I too was a snob. But now... well, after I type this i'm on my way out to my favorite starbucks to drop off the application. Yeah, it's not where I WANT to work, but they pay money (and a pound of coffee a week) and from what I hear it's an amazing company to work for. Quit being a snob and you'll find a job quicker than you ever thought possible. Then use your free time to hunt for the job you really want.

Cynthetiq · 05-10-2006, 12:33 PM

When I lost my job as a manager for an IT group I found a job for a few months as an executive admin assitant. It didn't pay all that well, but it did pay more than ZERO.

I had positive income, and I didn't have to chip away at the savings so early in the game.

Find something to tie you over.

savvypup · 05-11-2006, 04:23 AM

Shortly after my husband and I brought our house, he was made redundant. We were'nt married at the time, just living together. To tide us over whilst looking for another job, he went to see what Centrelink assistance he could get.

He did the right thing (or should I say wrong thing in hindsight) and told them we were living together. Now since we were in a de facto relationship, I was earning too much money for him to receive ANY assistance at all. Now understand, we took over a 50% cut in wages due to his redundancy, he's paid taxes all his life and now goes to ask for help in the interim, and he can't get a bloody cent. How arse about is that?!?! I'm now suppose to support both of us, pay the mortgage, bills etc. He should have lied and just said we were flatting together.

They were really tough months. Just because you have less money coming in, unfortunately doesn't always mean you can reduce the amount going out.

I've had a beef with this since it happened ........ just needed to get it out.

raeanna74 · 05-11-2006, 04:48 AM

We've been there. I had barely a part time job while hubby lost his after he got injured. We could not find work anywhere up where we were living so we ended up having to move in February (IN WISCONSIN - BRRRR) and found work. It drove hubby nuts and made me a little crazy in turn. Hubby was too picky too - in my opinion. He would not even consider a lowly burger flipper position.

I have taken positions waitressing or flipping burgers, even though I have a bachelors in El Ed because ANY job helps you get the job you want. Employers don't like hiring someone who isn't working. It doesn't look good and they might not be hard workers or reliable. Get any ol' job and you might find that you get asked to come to a few more interviews.

Good Luck.

Charlatan · 05-11-2006, 05:00 AM

Sometimes the problem with taking a job flipping burgers is that you no longer have the time to search for a more permanent job.

It is no fun being without money.

Toaster126 · 05-11-2006, 05:09 AM

Well, gee... either stop whining you have no money or get a fucking job. You can still look for a job in your field while doing some other job. In fact, that makes it easier (as has been mentioned).

"If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain." (Maya Angelou)

Cynthetiq · 05-11-2006, 05:30 AM

Flipping burgers isn't necessarily an option, you have to find something that will allow you to be hired. I applied to many retail establishments, and they flat out never called me back because they new I was just looking to tide myself over until I found something else. I talked to many a manager offering to stay on for 6 months for sure, guaranteed on call during evenings if I got hired elsewhere. But the long short of it is that McDonald's will not necessarily hire you.

Don't believe me? Try to even get a call back for an interview. Do it. Do it for shits and giggles, put your money where your mouth is, I did, and I know that they didn't call me back, and I even went back to talk to the managers. They just weren't interested in hiring someone with such a high skill set.

Bill O'Rights · 05-11-2006, 05:38 AM

I have found that when you take a job flipping burgers...you makethe time to search for a more permanent job.

That said...there ain't no shame in menial work. It's still work, and it's productive. So I say to you the same as I've said so many times to my daughter...Get a job!

I used to be the branch manager of a national welding supply distributorship. After much difficulty with our regional management, I left. (on my own accord) I took inventory of my life, and found that I was happiest when I was in the purchasing department. So, I took a couple of steps back, updated my "skills" a bit, and pursued a job in purchasing and supply chain management. In the interim I took a job with Mutual of Omaha, calling people to remind them that their policy was about to expire, and a job with a telephone survey company. It kept the lights and the heat on.

Charlatan · 05-11-2006, 06:23 AM

Cynthetiq has it right. Sometimes your skill set it too advanced. An assumption is made (not neccesarily incorrect) that you will not be challenged by the position.

This is more true for someone who has been in the work force for sometime and acumulated experience.

For someone just starting out? Take what you can get to get by. In the early years I worked any number of different jobs including: bike courier, Gap, cinema usher, waiter, floor sweeper, etc.

Some were good jobs with low pay and others were just jobs.

Sometimes you can't be picky.

savvypup · 05-11-2006, 08:58 PM

Ditto with Cynthetiq on that too. We've got many people applying for front of house jobs, but looking at their resumes, they seem far to over experienced for the job and we think it's just a stepping stone. No offense to them, but if it is, we can't afford to spend time training them up to have them resign.

That aside, we're always looking for kitchenhands, which has hours that fit in fantastic for students and well heh ...... pays the bills, entitles you to a free feed, gives you a new social aspect. What seems menial to some is often a very important link in the chain. No clean dishes, no one eats. No kitchenhand to wash dishes, someone else still has to do it right? - see? an integral part of the chain. Whether it's washing dishes or cleaning toilets - they're all important tasks.

Toaster126 · 05-12-2006, 07:04 AM

You can also leave off educational milestones on your applications, if you think that will help.

Sultana · 05-12-2006, 07:44 AM

When I graduated from college (during the recession), I went straight into working 2-3 jobs at the local mall for minimum wage. No, it's not glam. No, it wasn't at all what I wanted to do, but dang you need money, they're paying money!

And if you're just looking for something that will tide you over while you look for and get a career job, maybe you can do something fun, like something at the local theater, museum/art gallery, etc. Or perhaps at a store where you love the products and and benefit from an employee discount. Stuff like that. You know what I mean.

Personally, I would never work at a fast food restaurant (was free slave labor for my cook father while he owned his own businesses), but there are plenty of other options.

snowy · 05-12-2006, 01:43 PM

I have the job I have BECAUSE I took a job to tide me over. The job I had led to the job I have--I did such great work at my old position (graveyard at a women's treatment facility) that my bosses took notice, and when they needed someone to fill a spot in the office, they called me. While it's still not the greatest of jobs (the pay is peanuts, no benefits) it's good compared to what is out there in my job market, and it is steady employment and income.

It's a lot easier to find a job in your field when you have something else to fall back on, no matter what that something is. Here are some tips for you:

1) Find out what public assistance is available to you. Food stamps are a horribly underused resource, especially by people in their 20s. If you're really that close to hunger, use that resource. That's what it's there for.

2) Find out what public programs there are that can help you find work. In the town where I live, we have two public resources: the state employment department (which matches you up with work according to your skill set) and a local consortium that works on job skills and networking employees to possible employers.

3) Take a job to tide you over. The best job you can probably take for yourself right now, so you can focus on finding BETTER work, is something where you would work 32 hours or less.

4) Send out resumes to EVERYONE. And make sure your resume is ship-shape. I cringe (visibly cringe) when I see bad resumes turned in to my box. An applicant can make or break my impression of them with their resume--I want to see care has been put into it, and no matter what your level of education is, the thing should be perfect and free of errors.

5) Use sites like Monster.com. Believe it or not, I had MORE luck getting calls from places off of Monster than just sending in/handing in resumes.

You should be sending out at least a resume a day. AT LEAST. Throw yourself at employers! Call to follow up and make sure they got your resume. A job isn't just going to land in your lap, and after so many months of unemployment, you can't afford to be picky. Realize that in some smaller organizations, some people wear a lot of hats. For instance, I'm an administrative assistant, but I'm also the go-to person for IT/network issues. Future employers are going to want to know about your gap in employment history, and "I was picky" isn't usually a good answer. There are lots of places that can use your skills, so look outside your field. And trust me--getting a job is a bit like getting a date--employers can smell the desperation. So take some of the stench off and do take a job to get by.

savvypup · 05-12-2006, 05:22 PM

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I have the job I have BECAUSE I took a job to tide me over. The job I had led to the job I have--I did such great work at my old position (graveyard at a women's treatment facility) that my bosses took notice, and when they needed someone to fill a spot in the office, they called me.

Good on you Onesnowyowl!! People forget that. That's how I got to where I am now and I have so many options open to me because I started at the bottom.

Crack · 06-26-2006, 08:57 AM

Well, here is an update: I found a job 9 miles away from where I live, it's a net admin/help desk job for a small credit union in my home town, it pays more $ than I have ever made in any other 2 years combined, and they people I work with are awesome.

We call the president of the company that I work for 'Bob'. Not Mr. So and So, but bob... really nice guy, I have no supervisor, and I am loving the independance.

Jinn · 06-26-2006, 09:31 AM

YAY! I'm glad to hear it, man!

Sultana · 06-26-2006, 10:04 AM

Congrats Crack, you deserve it.

water_bug · 06-26-2006, 10:22 AM

That is good to hear crack! I have had the same experience but in reverse. I was a poor, broke student for a long time because I kept changing my major in college. Now that I have graduated and gotten a decent job I feel on top of the world. Now, my job isn't what you'd call high paying and I am certainly anything but upper class, but because I was so poor before I feel rich. I live lavishly, but apprently my version of lavish isn't what others call lavish lol. To them I am living modestly. It's funny how things play out isn't it? Good luck with your new job.

Carno · 06-26-2006, 10:28 AM

Man, that's awesome. Congrats.

thespian86 · 06-27-2006, 06:25 PM

Congrats! I'm very happy for you

newtx · 06-27-2006, 06:46 PM

Great news crack. Sounds like you are a good fit for your new job.

StormBerlin · 06-29-2006, 12:29 PM

That's awesome crack

Sometimes holding out is the best thing. Yeah, you might struggle for a while, but when you finally get the job you WANT, it's all worth it.

05-09-2006, 01:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	Money, the root of all evil. Unless you have some. Which I do not. I am beginning to get very stressed out. I have been without a job now since mid December. I don't like it. I am normally a very happy, easy to please person. I can see it eating away at me, turning me into a grouchy, easily upsetable person. Even my girlfriend is starting to see it, and I think it is starting to take a toll on our relationship. I want to do all these things with her, normal things, like a movie, or go out to eat, and I can't. I have to limit myself when going out with friends, even where I eat, and here recently, if I eat at all. My savings are gone. I don't like being this way at all. I have always had pretty high paying jobs in the past, but now I feel pretty worthless. I have a few job prospects comming up, which hopefully work out. So things should get better, but right now, I don't know what to do. Anyone else have to chage their lifestyle drastically to meet an extremely lowered income? __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

05-09-2006, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
shesus Fancy Location: Chicago	Crack, I know how you feel. While we make decent money, we like to spend it. We are also trying to get jj's photography career off the ground so that is causing a lot of debt. All I can say is this too will pass. Try to find a part-time job or something to make ends meet if you need to. I worked 2 jobs for 3 years after jj and I got married. I was working about 60-70 hours a week, but you have to do what you have to do. I can't give any advice on the stress because I'm not good at handling it either. I have found that denial is good. But good luck with everything and don't let it get you down too much. I have found that there are more important things than money and focusing on them sometimes help. I'm in the process of looking for a supplemental job now and while I'm not looking forward to 14 hour days, I know that I have made my mess and I need to take responsibility for it. __________________ Whatever did happen to your soul? I heard you sold it Choose Heaven for the weather and Hell for the company

05-09-2006, 08:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Stop being a snob. Why do you think you're too special to get a job at McDonald's? They pay money. __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

05-09-2006, 09:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Keep in mind that you're starting to do other things you don't find acceptable becasue of the snobbery mentioned above. Eventually, those other things will be so overwhelming that you'll eventually cave and just get a job. Why not just do it now, and stop yourself from going deeper? Just because you take a less than preferred job at a place you'd never dreamed you'd work doesn't mean you have to stop searching for the ideal job. Work wherever you can get a job and check the classifieds every day if you have too -- there's nothing wrong with taking money from whoever will give it to you in the interim. Unless you've got infinite time, get a job somewhere now or you're just wasting hours of life that could be paid for.. That's my take, at least.. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

05-10-2006, 12:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
StormBerlin Happy as a hippo Location: Southern California	I'm sort of in the same boat. I haven't been unemplyed for as long as you have, but I still hate it. I too was a snob. But now... well, after I type this i'm on my way out to my favorite starbucks to drop off the application. Yeah, it's not where I WANT to work, but they pay money (and a pound of coffee a week) and from what I hear it's an amazing company to work for. Quit being a snob and you'll find a job quicker than you ever thought possible. Then use your free time to hunt for the job you really want. __________________ "if anal sex could get a girl pregnant i'd be tits deep in child support" Arcane

05-09-2006, 06:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	I think most of us have been there now and then. Heck, some of the most successful people in the world had to hit a low before they pushed their way to the top. So tell us, what's keeping you from getting a job right now?

05-09-2006, 08:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
shoegirl Addict Location: Ohio	If they're few and far between, then look harder. Look in the paper, actually go to businesses to drop off resumes (don't assume that sending one online will suffice), just do something. Do anything to keep you from being so damn miserable. Work a shitty job that you'll hate because it will pay until you can get back on your feet. Don't sit around and focus solely on the fact that you don't have a job and can't get one, actually get out there and find a job. Even if it's a crappy job, it pays more than sitting around the house/your girlfriend's apartment all day.

05-09-2006, 08:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Dealing with stress...I think on the nature of reality and how little it will ultimately matter, but that cheers me up, where it may have the opposite effect for some people so it may not work for everyone

05-09-2006, 09:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I was without a job for 10 months after I graduated college. I lived on $115/month after rent. I am an expert of living cheap. When I didn't have a job, I worked on improving me. I had plenty of time to do whatever I needed to do, if I wanted to bike 2 hours a day, I could. If I wanted to swim and layout by the pool, I could. If I wanted to read a book, I could. If I wanted to sleep for 16 hours, I could. If I wanted to party all night with my friends, it happened. When I look back on how I spent that time, I could have been more productive and spent longer hours looking for a job, but now that I have been working for 2 years, I wish I would have done more. I have a plan of what I am going to do next time I lose my job. It is going to be exciting and a positive change, rather than a negative thing. It takes 6 months until you realize that the world around you is moving, but you aren't really a part of it. And living in poverty for more than 6 months is hard. So, remember that it will get better eventually. And you never know what an entry level job will lead to. Set aside a few hours to work on getting a job, and don't just watch TV and surf the Internet. I cut back a lot, and I am glad I did. Make sure your resume proves your skills to employers and make it sound like you are appling for the job because you love the line of work, not because they have an opening and you want to get paid.

05-10-2006, 12:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	When I lost my job as a manager for an IT group I found a job for a few months as an executive admin assitant. It didn't pay all that well, but it did pay more than ZERO. I had positive income, and I didn't have to chip away at the savings so early in the game. Find something to tie you over. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-11-2006, 04:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
savvypup Crazy Location: Want to run away? Follow the light	Shortly after my husband and I brought our house, he was made redundant. We were'nt married at the time, just living together. To tide us over whilst looking for another job, he went to see what Centrelink assistance he could get. He did the right thing (or should I say wrong thing in hindsight) and told them we were living together. Now since we were in a de facto relationship, I was earning too much money for him to receive ANY assistance at all. Now understand, we took over a 50% cut in wages due to his redundancy, he's paid taxes all his life and now goes to ask for help in the interim, and he can't get a bloody cent. How arse about is that?!?! I'm now suppose to support both of us, pay the mortgage, bills etc. He should have lied and just said we were flatting together. They were really tough months. Just because you have less money coming in, unfortunately doesn't always mean you can reduce the amount going out. I've had a beef with this since it happened ........ just needed to get it out. __________________ ciao bella!

05-11-2006, 04:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	We've been there. I had barely a part time job while hubby lost his after he got injured. We could not find work anywhere up where we were living so we ended up having to move in February (IN WISCONSIN - BRRRR) and found work. It drove hubby nuts and made me a little crazy in turn. Hubby was too picky too - in my opinion. He would not even consider a lowly burger flipper position. I have taken positions waitressing or flipping burgers, even though I have a bachelors in El Ed because ANY job helps you get the job you want. Employers don't like hiring someone who isn't working. It doesn't look good and they might not be hard workers or reliable. Get any ol' job and you might find that you get asked to come to a few more interviews. Good Luck. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

05-11-2006, 05:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Sometimes the problem with taking a job flipping burgers is that you no longer have the time to search for a more permanent job. It is no fun being without money. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-11-2006, 05:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Toaster126 Extreme moderation Location: Kansas City, yo.	Well, gee... either stop whining you have no money or get a fucking job. You can still look for a job in your field while doing some other job. In fact, that makes it easier (as has been mentioned). "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain." (Maya Angelou) __________________ "The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand) "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck) Last edited by Toaster126; 05-11-2006 at 05:22 AM..

05-11-2006, 05:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Flipping burgers isn't necessarily an option, you have to find something that will allow you to be hired. I applied to many retail establishments, and they flat out never called me back because they new I was just looking to tide myself over until I found something else. I talked to many a manager offering to stay on for 6 months for sure, guaranteed on call during evenings if I got hired elsewhere. But the long short of it is that McDonald's will not necessarily hire you. Don't believe me? Try to even get a call back for an interview. Do it. Do it for shits and giggles, put your money where your mouth is, I did, and I know that they didn't call me back, and I even went back to talk to the managers. They just weren't interested in hiring someone with such a high skill set. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-26-2006, 10:04 AM	#27 (permalink)
Sultana Falling Angel Location: L.A. L.A. land	Congrats Crack, you deserve it. __________________ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Matt Groening My goal? To fulfill my potential.

05-11-2006, 05:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	I have found that when you take a job flipping burgers...you *make*the time to search for a more permanent job. That said...there ain't no shame in menial work. It's still work, and it's productive. So I say to you the same as I've said so many times to my daughter...Get a job! I used to be the branch manager of a national welding supply distributorship. After much difficulty with our regional management, I left. (on my own accord) I took inventory of my life, and found that I was happiest when I was in the purchasing department. So, I took a couple of steps back, updated my "skills" a bit, and pursued a job in purchasing and supply chain management. In the interim I took a job with Mutual of Omaha, calling people to remind them that their policy was about to expire, and a job with a telephone survey company. It kept the lights and the heat on. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

05-11-2006, 06:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Cynthetiq has it right. Sometimes your skill set it too advanced. An assumption is made (not neccesarily incorrect) that you will not be challenged by the position. This is more true for someone who has been in the work force for sometime and acumulated experience. For someone just starting out? Take what you can get to get by. In the early years I worked any number of different jobs including: bike courier, Gap, cinema usher, waiter, floor sweeper, etc. Some were good jobs with low pay and others were just jobs. Sometimes you can't be picky. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-11-2006, 08:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
savvypup Crazy Location: Want to run away? Follow the light	Ditto with Cynthetiq on that too. We've got many people applying for front of house jobs, but looking at their resumes, they seem far to over experienced for the job and we think it's just a stepping stone. No offense to them, but if it is, we can't afford to spend time training them up to have them resign. That aside, we're always looking for kitchenhands, which has hours that fit in fantastic for students and well heh ...... pays the bills, entitles you to a free feed, gives you a new social aspect. What seems menial to some is often a very important link in the chain. No clean dishes, no one eats. No kitchenhand to wash dishes, someone else still has to do it right? - see? an integral part of the chain. Whether it's washing dishes or cleaning toilets - they're all important tasks. __________________ ciao bella!

05-12-2006, 07:04 AM	#21 (permalink)
Toaster126 Extreme moderation Location: Kansas City, yo.	You can also leave off educational milestones on your applications, if you think that will help. __________________ "The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand) "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck)

05-12-2006, 07:44 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sultana Falling Angel Location: L.A. L.A. land	When I graduated from college (during the recession), I went straight into working 2-3 jobs at the local mall for minimum wage. No, it's not glam. No, it wasn't at all what I wanted to do, but dang you need money, they're paying money! And if you're just looking for something that will tide you over while you look for and get a career job, maybe you can do something fun, like something at the local theater, museum/art gallery, etc. Or perhaps at a store where you love the products and and benefit from an employee discount. Stuff like that. You know what I mean. Personally, I would never work at a fast food restaurant (was free slave labor for my cook father while he owned his own businesses), but there are plenty of other options. __________________ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Matt Groening My goal? To fulfill my potential.

05-12-2006, 01:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	I have the job I have BECAUSE I took a job to tide me over. The job I had led to the job I have--I did such great work at my old position (graveyard at a women's treatment facility) that my bosses took notice, and when they needed someone to fill a spot in the office, they called me. While it's still not the greatest of jobs (the pay is peanuts, no benefits) it's good compared to what is out there in my job market, and it is steady employment and income. It's a lot easier to find a job in your field when you have something else to fall back on, no matter what that something is. Here are some tips for you: 1) Find out what public assistance is available to you. Food stamps are a horribly underused resource, especially by people in their 20s. If you're really that close to hunger, use that resource. That's what it's there for. 2) Find out what public programs there are that can help you find work. In the town where I live, we have two public resources: the state employment department (which matches you up with work according to your skill set) and a local consortium that works on job skills and networking employees to possible employers. 3) Take a job to tide you over. The best job you can probably take for yourself right now, so you can focus on finding BETTER work, is something where you would work 32 hours or less. 4) Send out resumes to EVERYONE. And make sure your resume is ship-shape. I cringe (visibly cringe) when I see bad resumes turned in to my box. An applicant can make or break my impression of them with their resume--I want to see care has been put into it, and no matter what your level of education is, the thing should be perfect and free of errors. 5) Use sites like Monster.com. Believe it or not, I had MORE luck getting calls from places off of Monster than just sending in/handing in resumes. You should be sending out at least a resume a day. AT LEAST. Throw yourself at employers! Call to follow up and make sure they got your resume. A job isn't just going to land in your lap, and after so many months of unemployment, you can't afford to be picky. Realize that in some smaller organizations, some people wear a lot of hats. For instance, I'm an administrative assistant, but I'm also the go-to person for IT/network issues. Future employers are going to want to know about your gap in employment history, and "I was picky" isn't usually a good answer. There are lots of places that can use your skills, so look outside your field. And trust me--getting a job is a bit like getting a date--employers can smell the desperation. So take some of the stench off and do take a job to get by. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

06-26-2006, 08:57 AM	#25 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	Well, here is an update: I found a job 9 miles away from where I live, it's a net admin/help desk job for a small credit union in my home town, it pays more $ than I have ever made in any other 2 years combined, and they people I work with are awesome. We call the president of the company that I work for 'Bob'. Not Mr. So and So, but bob... really nice guy, I have no supervisor, and I am loving the independance. __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

06-26-2006, 09:31 AM	#26 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	YAY! I'm glad to hear it, man! __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

06-26-2006, 10:22 AM	#28 (permalink)
water_bug Tilted Location: Rhode Island	That is good to hear crack! I have had the same experience but in reverse. I was a poor, broke student for a long time because I kept changing my major in college. Now that I have graduated and gotten a decent job I feel on top of the world. Now, my job isn't what you'd call high paying and I am certainly anything but upper class, but because I was so poor before I feel rich. I live lavishly, but apprently my version of lavish isn't what others call lavish lol. To them I am living modestly. It's funny how things play out isn't it? Good luck with your new job.

06-26-2006, 10:28 AM	#29 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Man, that's awesome. Congrats. __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

06-27-2006, 06:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	Congrats! I'm very happy for you __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

06-27-2006, 06:46 PM	#31 (permalink)
newtx Addict	Great news crack. Sounds like you are a good fit for your new job.

06-29-2006, 12:29 PM	#32 (permalink)
StormBerlin Happy as a hippo Location: Southern California	That's awesome crack Sometimes holding out is the best thing. Yeah, you might struggle for a while, but when you finally get the job you WANT, it's all worth it. __________________ "if anal sex could get a girl pregnant i'd be tits deep in child support" Arcane