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Vincentt · 05-05-2006, 07:10 AM

I ate Mac today, as I do when I am tired of rice or noodles.

I noticed the calories on the meal I got.
Big mac set, with large fries, and Med drink.

Big Mac [560]
Large fries [570]
Coke [210]

Being that I don't eat there that often, and that I am if anything, underweight. I don't really need to worry that much. But damn, the fries have more calories then the Big Mac.

I could eat two Big Macs and be getting LESS calories.

I think this is something to think about.

I say, Fries are the most evil food.
Second will be, Soda.

That Coke is 210 Calories for nothing.

The Big Mac may not be healthy.. but at least you get some protein out of it. The fries and coke... you get nothing.

I think if people would stop eating fries, and stop drinking sodas. That alone would trigger loads of weight loss.

Any other *Evil* foods? I'm thinking, foods that are very common place, yet are jam packed with Calories?

Redlemon · 05-05-2006, 07:35 AM

There ain't nothin' like an Awesome Blossom from Chili's: 2,710 calories, 203 grams of fat.

Cynthetiq · 05-05-2006, 07:38 AM

cookies,

I hold in my hand a peanut butter chocolate cookie from Selma's Cookies

1/4 cookie is the serving size on the nutrition facs,

servings per container for the 1 cookie: 4

calories: 130
fat calories: 60

that's 520 calories of which 240 are fat calories!!!

% the Daily Values is 11% 7g sat fat 2.5g 13%dv, trans fat 0.5g, x 4 and that's 44% of your daily fat intake!!!

newtx · 05-05-2006, 07:44 AM

I'd go with the glazed donut. Pure fat and sugar and who can eat just one hot fresh glazed donut. Krispy Kreme would probably be the worst and about 5 of them would hit the spot.............................

Mister Coaster · 05-05-2006, 07:55 AM

I saw at the Orange County Fair a booth selling twinkies that were battered and deep fried, served smothered in chocolate sauce and whip cream. I have no idea what the nutrition facts would be on that sucker, but it's gotta be all bad.

Deep frying is a great way to make any food (healthy or otherwise) bad for you.

***edit*** -I just looked up Krispy Kreme, the original glazed is suprisingly, not TAHT bad, 200 calories, 100 from fat. But like mentioned above, you will probably down at least 5 of them before even feeling full.

Redlemon · 05-05-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Coaster

I saw at the Orange County Fair a booth selling twinkies that were battered and deep fried, served smothered in chocolate sauce and whip cream. I have no idea what the nutrition facts would be on that sucker, but it's gotta be all bad.

Pretty bad, yes.

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Originally Posted by Deep fried Twinkie - Wikipedia

An unfried Twinkie has 150 calories and five grams of fat. The batter and deep frying adds at least another 240 calories and 28 grams of fat. When asked whether fair customers expressed concern about the health effects of the deep fried Twinkie, Mullens commented that "people at fairs don't tend to eat food that's good for them."

maleficent · 05-05-2006, 08:50 AM

Carrot cake... it's cake made out of a vegetable - lots of beta carotene... good for your eyes.... bugs bunny lived on carrots and he was really slim...

OK - Starbucks chunk of carrot cake has a whopping 600 calories per slice... (their bagels have something l ike 400 and that's without butter or creamcheese)

Non-fat milk is always good in coffee right? Saves a ton of calories.. Right? WRONG!!

a white chocolate mocha made with non-fat milk has 400 calories... and that's in the 16 ounce size...

cyrnel · 05-05-2006, 08:55 AM

Given the frequency people eat and drink them I vote french fries and sugar-water as well. Nasty stuff.

Really, your odds of getting anything healthy from a fast-food chain are poor. What's the saying? Don't eat anything served out a window unless you're a pigeon.

maleficent · 05-05-2006, 08:56 AM

now ya see - if you just drink the diet coke along with the super sized fries and the big mac -- you're all set right

cyrnel · 05-05-2006, 09:00 AM

It was always Diet Coke and a Snickers for me. I get zits just thinking about my old A cancels out B practices.

greyeyes · 05-05-2006, 05:04 PM

ya need to differentiate between good and bad fats. An Avocado has alot of fat but it's all good for you. Where as drinking a vat of crisco will clog your arteries (or eating a bigmac, same differance). I'd go with the most evil food being the burger sold down the street called "The Coronary Bypass" it's got half a LB of beef a fried egg, mayo, fried bacon, fried onion rings, and I think that's about it. I've only seen one person eat one and live to tell the story.

Vincentt · 05-06-2006, 12:16 AM

At least getting a Diet cola, or water.. cuts 200 cal

When someone gets a super sized meal with a diet cola.. it is kinda funny. But hey, at least they did *something*.

Now, I'll throw out a odd one.

White rice!

White rice is nothing but Carbs.. 200cal for 1 cup of cooked white rice.

And you get nothing but carbs for it... let us not forget that many people throw butter onto this afterwards..

White rice is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Charlatan · 05-06-2006, 04:19 AM

Corn.

Corn is in the vast majority of things we eat today. I should say it is in the vast majority of processed (read: bad for you) foods today.

Given the huge surpluses of corn we have (thanks to farm subsidies) our scientists have developed some ingenious uses for things like high fructose corn syrup... and it isn't just replaceing cane sugar as a sweetener it is being used in addition to the sugars that were there to begin with adding an addition level of caloric intake. And that meat you are eating? Corn. Hogs and cows, "grain fed", live largely (and by largely I also mean fatly) on a diet, made up largely of corn (most cows, if we didn't slaughter them for market would die from system failure due to the diet we feed them).

Given the cheapness of corn (and corn by-products) Industrial Food has found more and ingenious ways to use it.

The thing is if you are shopping today you can buy about 1200 calories of energy for about $1. This would be in processed foods. If you were to try and get that same 1200 calories from produce it would cost roughly $5. It's no wonder the poorest people in North America are becoming increasingly fat (read: obese).

We have a system of government subsidies that are supporting the obeseity of our nations.

The upside is our food is much cheaper. The downside is we are slowly killing ourselves with processed foods. Ruining the diversity of our ecosystems with industrial farming.

So, corn and the sytem built around it is not so good...

Vincentt · 05-06-2006, 05:58 AM

Unless we can make corn run our cars.

Charlatan · 05-06-2006, 06:07 AM

In that case, the corn is not food.

ratbastid · 05-06-2006, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

a white chocolate mocha made with non-fat milk has 400 calories... and that's in the 16 ounce size...

I knew a woman whose regular Starbucks order was a venti non-fat mocha, extra whip.

Ah, the bargains we make in life.

Rodney · 05-06-2006, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Corn.

Have to agree. The most evil foods are those little lunch-sized packs of chips -- cheetos, fritos, whatever variety. They weigh a couple of ounces or less and pack hundreds of fried calories. And they are, of course, made of corn. Parents pack them off to school with their kids, who eat the junk and throw away the good stuff.

I think I was most appalled, though, by the "Lunchables" for kids; I forget who makes them (Kraft?) but they're full, pre-packed lunches of processed foods that appeal to kids' tastes. And they're _laden_ with fat, sugar, and so on, mostly from corn-based products (and corn-fed animals). There are a couple of less-bad varieties that you can buy, but the kids don't like them as much.

When I was a kid I was packed off to school with a baloney sandwich on white bread and a banana. And I know baloney-on-white isn't health food. But the food kids are given today is much more highly processed and much more full of fat, and more of it. At least I had to eat the banana.

Charlatan mentioned soft drinks. One of the most insidious things about soft drinks -- HFCS or otherwise -- is that the calories are "invisible to your guts." Say you sit down to a meal of pizza, and you usually eat three slices. If you drink two or three soft drinks it won't affect your ability or willingness to eat your three slices -- even though the soft drinks have added 400+ calories to the meal.

This has always been an issue, but HFCS has made soft drinks so cheap that people drink more and more of them. The "bottomless" glass of soft drinks in many restaurants didn't come along until ten or 15 years ago. A 20-ounce bottle of coke or pepsi costs what, $1-$1.10 these days? Back in the '70s, a 28-ounce "large" bottle of coke (the largest available) cost about 75 cents. Which translates to close to three bucks with inflation. And you _weren't_ supposed to drink it all by yourself; it was something that two or three people would share at a meal.

maleficent · 05-06-2006, 07:03 AM

I was reading something last night, and the article commented on the amount of calories in the vegetarian burrito, not to mention sodium, at one of the "fresh" mexican food chains...We all expect TacoHell to be bad for you -- but for some reason - I expect Baja Fresh to be a little better...

Not so...
A Baja Fresh, bean and cheese burrito (no meat)
Calories 980 ( Kilojoules 4096 )
Total Fat 40 g
Saturated Fat 18 g
Cholesterol 65 mg
Sodium 1820 mg
Total Carbohydrates 114 g
Dietary Fiber 22 g
Protein 41 g

It's got lots of fiber so I suppose it's kinda healthy but damn...

http://www.calorieking.com/foods/

Toaster126 · 05-06-2006, 07:41 AM

Are we talking about most fattening\bad for you or most evil?

If it's pure evil, green veggies have to win in my book. God I hate anything with chlorophyll A in it. Those fucking leafy greens, hiding their evil behind the "I'm so good for you" smirk. Blech.

Redlemon · 05-09-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Corn.

Have you ever tried to find a bottled drink (e.g., soda or iced tea) with regular sugar? I've spent a bunch of time reading labels at my local deli. High fructose corn syrup for almost everything. There's one local soda brand (Foxon Park) that lists only sugar, and sometimes I can find Honest Tea (with honey), but that's it so far. Even Jolt, which began with the slogan "all the sugar and twice the caffeine", now lists "sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup".

It's almost enough to drive me to artificial sweeteners, but (a) aspartame gives me a headache, and (b) I just don't trust the others yet.

snowy · 05-09-2006, 11:17 AM

HCFS.

They sneak it in everywhere these days, not just the places you expect it. And that bugs me. This is why label-reading is an essential skill.

Oh, and Redlemon--if you buy soda outside of the United States it's usually not made with HCFS.

stevie667 · 05-09-2006, 11:33 AM

A cheers 18" pizza, like i said in another thread, gave me some serious chest pains (the "um, can someone get me a defribrilator please? kind).

Oh, and the biscuits from morrisons that have 7g of fat in an 8g biscuit, or the sausages i found in the same supermarket that had 51% pork in them, eugh.

Charlatan · 05-09-2006, 12:12 PM

Gotta use the surplus corn somewhere... scientists are working hard to figure out more and ingenious ways to use the corn surplus...

The thing is, it isn't just replacing sugar, it's also being used in addition to already present sugar.

frogza · 05-09-2006, 01:22 PM

High calorie to me means an excuse to go on a long hike in the mountains, or maybe a nice soccer game or an afternoon of rock climbing. "Honey, remember that 24 oz steak I had? I have to go out with the guys and play soccer for my health. It's not that I don't love weeding the garden"

I don't really pay much attention to my calorie intake, I eat well though. Rarely eat out, I love veggies.

hunnychile · 05-09-2006, 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=onesnowyowl]HCFS.

They sneak it in everywhere these days, not just the places you expect it. And that bugs me. This is why label-reading is an essential skill.
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WHAT ARE HCFS? Please illuminate us....sounds like something pretty nasty.

Cynthetiq · 05-09-2006, 05:24 PM

[QUOTE=hunnychile]

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl

HCFS.

They sneak it in everywhere these days, not just the places you expect it. And that bugs me. This is why label-reading is an essential skill.
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WHAT ARE HCFS? Please illuminate us....sounds like something pretty nasty.

High Fructose Corn Syrup

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High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is produced by processing corn starch to yield glucose, and then processing the glucose to produce a high percentage of fructose. It all sounds rather simple—white cornstarch is turned into crystal clear syrup. However, the process is actually very complicated. Three different enzymes are needed to break down cornstarch, which is composed of chains of glucose molecules of almost infinite length, into the simple sugars glucose and fructose.

First, cornstarch is treated with alpha-amylase to produce shorter chains of sugars called polysaccharides. Alpha-amylase is industrially produced by a bacterium, usually Bacillus sp. It is purified and then shipped to HFCS manufacturers.

Next, an enzyme called glucoamylase breaks the sugar chains down even further to yield the simple sugar glucose. Unlike alpha-amylase, glucoamylase is produced by Aspergillus, a fungus, in a fermentation vat where one would likely see little balls of Aspergillus floating on the top.

The third enzyme, glucose-isomerase, is very expensive. It converts glucose to a mixture of about 42 percent fructose and 50-52 percent glucose with some other sugars mixed in. While alpha-amylase and glucoamylase are added directly to the slurry, pricey glucose-isomerase is packed into columns and the sugar mixture is then passed over it. Inexpensive alpha-amylase and glucoamylase are used only once, glucose-isomerase is reused until it loses most of its activity.

There are two more steps involved. First is a liquid chromatography step that takes the mixture to 90 percent fructose. Finally, this is back-blended with the original mixture to yield a final concentration of about 55 percent fructose—what the industry calls high fructose corn syrup.

HFCS has the exact same sweetness and taste as an equal amount of sucrose from cane or beet sugar but it is obviously much more complicated to make, involving vats of murky fermenting liquid, fungus and chemical tweaking, all of which take place in one of 16 chemical plants located in the Corn Belt. Yet in spite of all the special enzymes required, HFCS is actually cheaper than sugar. It is also very easy to transport—it's just piped into tanker trucks. This translates into lower costs and higher profits for food producers.

maleficent · 05-09-2006, 05:24 PM

HFCS
High Fructose Corn Syrup

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/ will tell you it's not that bad...

Everything in moderation...

CaliLivChick · 05-09-2006, 05:39 PM

Most evil, yet most delicious... french fries dipped in mayonaise, Sourdough Jack, and eggnog milkshake... mmmmmmmm <drools>... only 16 days until I can have a Sourdough Jack! YAY!

shakran · 05-09-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

Have you ever tried to find a bottled drink (e.g., soda or iced tea) with regular sugar?

Coke bottled in Mexico (8 oz glass bottles) has cane sugar in it. Some specialty sodas like Buddy's only use cane sugar as well.

I agree that corn is the most evil food. If it didn't come fresh out of the ground, it's probably got corn in it.

Poppinjay · 05-09-2006, 06:44 PM

But what about corn that comes fresh out of the ground?

I have to choose the Choco that comes out of the Flavia machine at work. They don't list any ingredients or RDA facts. I'm guessing the way it hits me it's made out of whole milk, fat, chocolate, and puppies.

CaliLivChick · 05-09-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

But what about corn that comes fresh out of the ground?

I have to choose the Choco that comes out of the Flavia machine at work. They don't list any ingredients or RDA facts. I'm guessing the way it hits me it's made out of whole milk, fat, chocolate, and puppies.

myflavia.com, basic ingredient list is sugar, skim milk, cocoa, coconut oil, corn syrup, salt, and the RDA facts can be found under the Choco nutritional facts link at http://www.myflavia.com/myflavia/en-...indulgence.htm

Didn't find any puppies on the list, unless they have it under a code name. =)

shakran · 05-09-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

But what about corn that comes fresh out of the ground?

Now see, I actually originally had a parenthetical clause in that sentence excluding fresh corn, but said to myself "Surely no one will be THAT sarcastic." Thanks for proving me wrong

Charlatan · 05-09-2006, 07:26 PM

The corn that we are talking about is called somethning like Dent Corn #2. You can't eat it off the cob.

It is found in most processed foods we eat as well as our meat (it is a large part of what it fed to chickens, cows and hogs). If you were to test the average American you find that they are largely made from corn...

It's not a matter of moderation. It's in almost everything...

Some interesting parallels have been drawn between how the corn surplus was used in the past (turn of the century) and now.

In the past, the surplus was used to turn out vast quantities of corn alcohol. The market was flooded with cheap liquor. It lead to overconsumption and many problems that result when you consume a lot of alcohol.

The surplus now is being used to make vast quantities of cheap and unhealthy food. It has lead us to overconsumption and all the problems that result when you consume so many calories (obesity is the big one).

This can be changed.

Carno · 05-09-2006, 07:41 PM

Soda is the worst thing ever. EVER.

noodle · 05-10-2006, 03:48 AM

Scotch Eggs. Gosh, I love them. But I can only eat them once a year or so because I end up feeling horribly guilty. On that note, too, I shudder to think what the Irish Breakfast we used to get at our favorite pub would rack up on the food pyramid. Ingredients?

Two eggs fried in butter. (I only like whites, but still.)
One white pudding, one black.
Two slices of rashers.
Fried potato chunks.. in butter and drippings, naturally.
1/2c Heinz beans from a can.
Fried mushrooms... cooked in all the drippings from the rashers, eggs and puddings.
One slice soda bread, with butter.

/shudder.

thingstodo · 05-10-2006, 04:22 AM

It's not the fries or the soda, etc., etc. It's the processed stuff in them. Things like trans fatty acids, which are basically a molecule away from plastic, high fructose corn syrup, a highly addictive sweatener with no nutritional value, hence "empty carbs", bleached flours ( with no whole grains) and refined sugar. Look at all the things that you consider bad for you and they'll probably have one of these in them.

Deli Rye Triskets are about the only thing in a box that is healthy for you. They contain whole wheat, rye and oil.

Vincentt · 05-10-2006, 05:17 AM

I love Triskets!

BUT, I like to put the canned cheezewiz on them....

I only drink Diet Coke, here in Japan. I have NO idea what is in it.

In US, I really like the Pepsi One. Tastes better then the real pepsi, I think it is because it uses Splenda.

Fries are just wholey evil.

Right now, I've been trying to gain muscle.. but I'm always looking at what I'm eating. Sometimes I just eat junk though.

Unhealthy food is just in every way easy/faster then healthy food.

red0blivia · 05-10-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Corn is in the vast majority of things we eat today. I should say it is in the vast majority of processed (read: bad for you) foods today.

not to mention that they are one of the most gentically modified foods on the market:

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The USDA National Agricultural Statistics Service surveys farmers in the United States regarding the adoption of genetically modified, or transgenic, crops every year. According to the latest survey, over half of the corn acreage in the United States is planted with biotechnology varieties. In Ohio, genetically modified corn was planted on only 18 percent of the state’s total corn acreage in 2005 – 30 percent behind Indiana, its closest competitor, and about 78 percent behind South Dakota, the top-ranked state.

GMO crops -- designed to be pest-resistant, give better yields or offer higher nutritional value -- accounted for 60 percent of global soybean area last year, 28 percent of cotton, 18 percent of canola and 14 percent of corn.

There were 21 countries that planted GMO crops last year, with the United States accounting for more than half of the total at 49.8 million hectares.

when talking about evil or unhealthy foods, i put processed and gmo foods waaay at the top of my list.
calories...eh... not so much.
but when you eat healthy, natural, and mostly raw foods... calories isn't really a concern.
i'm also vegetarian, so that limits my choices quite a bit anyways

thingstodo · 05-10-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

HFCS
High Fructose Corn Syrup

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/ will tell you it's not that bad...

Everything in moderation...

Sounds good but who's minding the chicken coop? This is a site by the corn producers...kind of a conflict of interest and clever spin??

noodle · 05-14-2006, 06:43 AM

Chili's Chicken Caesar Salad. 52 grams of fat. It's evil because many think, "Mmm, salad... it's lettuce and chicken, it's healthy!". Salad dressing can be very evil if you're not paying attention.

05-05-2006, 07:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	Most Evil Foods I ate Mac today, as I do when I am tired of rice or noodles. I noticed the calories on the meal I got. Big mac set, with large fries, and Med drink. Big Mac [560] Large fries [570] Coke [210] Being that I don't eat there that often, and that I am if anything, underweight. I don't really need to worry that much. But damn, the fries have more calories then the Big Mac. I could eat two Big Macs and be getting LESS calories. I think this is something to think about. I say, Fries are the most evil food. Second will be, Soda. That Coke is 210 Calories for nothing. The Big Mac may not be healthy.. but at least you get some protein out of it. The fries and coke... you get nothing. I think if people would stop eating fries, and stop drinking sodas. That alone would trigger loads of weight loss. Any other Evil foods? I'm thinking, foods that are very common place, yet are jam packed with Calories? __________________ .

05-05-2006, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	There ain't nothin' like an Awesome Blossom from Chili's: 2,710 calories, 203 grams of fat. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

05-05-2006, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	cookies, I hold in my hand a peanut butter chocolate cookie from Selma's Cookies 1/4 cookie is the serving size on the nutrition facs, servings per container for the 1 cookie: 4 calories: 130 fat calories: 60 that's 520 calories of which 240 are fat calories!!! % the Daily Values is 11% 7g sat fat 2.5g 13%dv, trans fat 0.5g, x 4 and that's 44% of your daily fat intake!!! __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-05-2006, 07:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mister Coaster Big & Brassy Location: The "Canyon"	I saw at the Orange County Fair a booth selling twinkies that were battered and deep fried, served smothered in chocolate sauce and whip cream. I have no idea what the nutrition facts would be on that sucker, but it's gotta be all bad. Deep frying is a great way to make any food (healthy or otherwise) bad for you. *edit* -I just looked up Krispy Kreme, the original glazed is suprisingly, not TAHT bad, 200 calories, 100 from fat. But like mentioned above, you will probably down at least 5 of them before even feeling full. __________________ If you have any poo... fling it NOW! Last edited by Mister Coaster; 05-05-2006 at 08:00 AM..

05-05-2006, 08:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Carrot cake... it's cake made out of a vegetable - lots of beta carotene... good for your eyes.... bugs bunny lived on carrots and he was really slim... OK - Starbucks chunk of carrot cake has a whopping 600 calories per slice... (their bagels have something l ike 400 and that's without butter or creamcheese) Non-fat milk is always good in coffee right? Saves a ton of calories.. Right? WRONG!! a white chocolate mocha made with non-fat milk has 400 calories... and that's in the 16 ounce size... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-05-2006, 07:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
newtx Addict	I'd go with the glazed donut. Pure fat and sugar and who can eat just one hot fresh glazed donut. Krispy Kreme would probably be the worst and about 5 of them would hit the spot.............................

05-05-2006, 08:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Given the frequency people eat and drink them I vote french fries and sugar-water as well. Nasty stuff. Really, your odds of getting anything healthy from a fast-food chain are poor. What's the saying? Don't eat anything served out a window unless you're a pigeon. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

05-05-2006, 08:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	now ya see - if you just drink the diet coke along with the super sized fries and the big mac -- you're all set right __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-05-2006, 09:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	It was always Diet Coke and a Snickers for me. I get zits just thinking about my old A cancels out B practices. __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

05-05-2006, 05:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
greyeyes ham on rye would be nice Location: I don't even know anymore	ya need to differentiate between good and bad fats. An Avocado has alot of fat but it's all good for you. Where as drinking a vat of crisco will clog your arteries (or eating a bigmac, same differance). I'd go with the most evil food being the burger sold down the street called "The Coronary Bypass" it's got half a LB of beef a fried egg, mayo, fried bacon, fried onion rings, and I think that's about it. I've only seen one person eat one and live to tell the story. __________________ I'm kind of jealous of the life I'm supposedly leading. - Zach Braff

05-06-2006, 12:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	At least getting a Diet cola, or water.. cuts 200 cal When someone gets a super sized meal with a diet cola.. it is kinda funny. But hey, at least they did something. Now, I'll throw out a odd one. White rice! White rice is nothing but Carbs.. 200cal for 1 cup of cooked white rice. And you get nothing but carbs for it... let us not forget that many people throw butter onto this afterwards.. White rice is a wolf in sheeps clothing. __________________ .

05-06-2006, 04:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Corn. Corn is in the vast majority of things we eat today. I should say it is in the vast majority of processed (read: bad for you) foods today. Given the huge surpluses of corn we have (thanks to farm subsidies) our scientists have developed some ingenious uses for things like high fructose corn syrup... and it isn't just replaceing cane sugar as a sweetener it is being used in addition to the sugars that were there to begin with adding an addition level of caloric intake. And that meat you are eating? Corn. Hogs and cows, "grain fed", live largely (and by largely I also mean fatly) on a diet, made up largely of corn (most cows, if we didn't slaughter them for market would die from system failure due to the diet we feed them). Given the cheapness of corn (and corn by-products) Industrial Food has found more and ingenious ways to use it. The thing is if you are shopping today you can buy about 1200 calories of energy for about $1. This would be in processed foods. If you were to try and get that same 1200 calories from produce it would cost roughly $5. It's no wonder the poorest people in North America are becoming increasingly fat (read: obese). We have a system of government subsidies that are supporting the obeseity of our nations. The upside is our food is much cheaper. The downside is we are slowly killing ourselves with processed foods. Ruining the diversity of our ecosystems with industrial farming. So, corn and the sytem built around it is not so good... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-06-2006, 05:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	Unless we can make corn run our cars. __________________ .

05-06-2006, 06:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	In that case, the corn is not food. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-06-2006, 07:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	I was reading something last night, and the article commented on the amount of calories in the vegetarian burrito, not to mention sodium, at one of the "fresh" mexican food chains...We all expect TacoHell to be bad for you -- but for some reason - I expect Baja Fresh to be a little better... Not so... A Baja Fresh, bean and cheese burrito (no meat) Calories 980 ( Kilojoules 4096 ) Total Fat 40 g Saturated Fat 18 g Cholesterol 65 mg Sodium 1820 mg Total Carbohydrates 114 g Dietary Fiber 22 g Protein 41 g It's got lots of fiber so I suppose it's kinda healthy but damn... http://www.calorieking.com/foods/ __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-06-2006, 07:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
Toaster126 Extreme moderation Location: Kansas City, yo.	Are we talking about most fattening\bad for you or most evil? If it's pure evil, green veggies have to win in my book. God I hate anything with chlorophyll A in it. Those fucking leafy greens, hiding their evil behind the "I'm so good for you" smirk. Blech. __________________ "The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand) "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck)

05-09-2006, 11:17 AM	#21 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	HCFS. They sneak it in everywhere these days, not just the places you expect it. And that bugs me. This is why label-reading is an essential skill. Oh, and Redlemon--if you buy soda outside of the United States it's usually not made with HCFS. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

05-09-2006, 11:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	A cheers 18" pizza, like i said in another thread, gave me some serious chest pains (the "um, can someone get me a defribrilator please? kind). Oh, and the biscuits from morrisons that have 7g of fat in an 8g biscuit, or the sausages i found in the same supermarket that had 51% pork in them, eugh. __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information.

05-09-2006, 12:12 PM	#23 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Gotta use the surplus corn somewhere... scientists are working hard to figure out more and ingenious ways to use the corn surplus... The thing is, it isn't just replacing sugar, it's also being used in addition to already present sugar. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-09-2006, 01:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
frogza Registered User Location: Right Here	High calorie to me means an excuse to go on a long hike in the mountains, or maybe a nice soccer game or an afternoon of rock climbing. "Honey, remember that 24 oz steak I had? I have to go out with the guys and play soccer for my health. It's not that I don't love weeding the garden" I don't really pay much attention to my calorie intake, I eat well though. Rarely eat out, I love veggies.

05-09-2006, 05:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
hunnychile Alien Anthropologist Location: Between Boredom and Nirvana	[QUOTE=onesnowyowl]HCFS. They sneak it in everywhere these days, not just the places you expect it. And that bugs me. This is why label-reading is an essential skill. QUOTE] WHAT ARE HCFS? Please illuminate us....sounds like something pretty nasty. __________________ "I need compassion, understanding and chocolate." - NJB

05-09-2006, 05:24 PM	#27 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	HFCS High Fructose Corn Syrup http://www.hfcsfacts.com/ will tell you it's not that bad... Everything in moderation... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-09-2006, 05:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
CaliLivChick In Transition Location: Sanford, FL (between Daytona and Orlando)	Most evil, yet most delicious... french fries dipped in mayonaise, Sourdough Jack, and eggnog milkshake... mmmmmmmm <drools>... only 16 days until I can have a Sourdough Jack! YAY! __________________ Don't trust anything that can bleed for a week and not die. Oh wait, that's me... nevermind... you can trust me.

05-09-2006, 06:44 PM	#30 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	But what about corn that comes fresh out of the ground? I have to choose the Choco that comes out of the Flavia machine at work. They don't list any ingredients or RDA facts. I'm guessing the way it hits me it's made out of whole milk, fat, chocolate, and puppies. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

05-09-2006, 07:26 PM	#33 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The corn that we are talking about is called somethning like Dent Corn #2. You can't eat it off the cob. It is found in most processed foods we eat as well as our meat (it is a large part of what it fed to chickens, cows and hogs). If you were to test the average American you find that they are largely made from corn... It's not a matter of moderation. It's in almost everything... Some interesting parallels have been drawn between how the corn surplus was used in the past (turn of the century) and now. In the past, the surplus was used to turn out vast quantities of corn alcohol. The market was flooded with cheap liquor. It lead to overconsumption and many problems that result when you consume a lot of alcohol. The surplus now is being used to make vast quantities of cheap and unhealthy food. It has lead us to overconsumption and all the problems that result when you consume so many calories (obesity is the big one). This can be changed. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke Last edited by Charlatan; 05-09-2006 at 07:32 PM..

05-09-2006, 07:41 PM	#34 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Soda is the worst thing ever. EVER. __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

05-10-2006, 04:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	It's not the fries or the soda, etc., etc. It's the processed stuff in them. Things like trans fatty acids, which are basically a molecule away from plastic, high fructose corn syrup, a highly addictive sweatener with no nutritional value, hence "empty carbs", bleached flours ( with no whole grains) and refined sugar. Look at all the things that you consider bad for you and they'll probably have one of these in them. Deli Rye Triskets are about the only thing in a box that is healthy for you. They contain whole wheat, rye and oil. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

05-10-2006, 05:17 AM	#37 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	I love Triskets! BUT, I like to put the canned cheezewiz on them.... I only drink Diet Coke, here in Japan. I have NO idea what is in it. In US, I really like the Pepsi One. Tastes better then the real pepsi, I think it is because it uses Splenda. Fries are just wholey evil. Right now, I've been trying to gain muscle.. but I'm always looking at what I'm eating. Sometimes I just eat junk though. Unhealthy food is just in every way easy/faster then healthy food. __________________ .