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Redlemon · 08-31-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rune

"And forte is pronounced FORT not FORTAY."

i believe that is incorrect.

"forte" as in the feminine version of "fort" is pronounced "fort"... "fort" (masculine), pronounce "for"....

however, the anglicized "forte" is correct in being pronounced "fortay"... why? English bastardization. We do that. It happens with many, many a word.

Yes and no. If you mean "strength", as in "Tennis is his forte", you say FORT. If you mean "loud", as in "Sing this part of the song forte", you say FORTAY.

/ goes to actually look it up, to make sure he isn't talking out of his ass...

forte: Definition, Synonyms and Much More From Answers.com

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The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (fôr'tā'), which has been influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners.

So, noun form is FORT, adjective should be FORTAY, but often ends up FORT anyway.

Slavakion · 08-31-2005, 09:50 AM

Have you ever been in a situation where you need extra email addresses to get more free coupons or something? Do you have a gmail address? Gmail has a nifty feature called filters. They can be used to auto-sort your mail. Just add a plus sign and something else after your address name.

But pretty much, most websites will see filtered addresses as completely different. So while the following addresses are the same, they don't look like it to the form you're filling out.

hello@gmail.com
hello+1@gmail.com
hello+asdfjkl@gmail.com

EDIT: Obviously VBulletin is confused by them, since it didn't auto-link them.

Tusko · 08-31-2005, 07:52 PM

i still hold that the colloquialism is "Fortay"

just as "ain't" is incorrect, and a whole slew of other words.

5757 · 09-28-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by maiden_fan_us

Pet peeves 1 and 2.

Contrary to popular belief, irregardless is NOT a word.

And forte is pronounced FORT not FORTAY.

Is this true?

Redlemon · 09-29-2005, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 5757

Is this true?

See my post a couple spots above.

5757 · 09-29-2005, 06:45 AM

I was actually referring to the popular belief...

Redlemon · 09-29-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 5757

I was actually referring to the popular belief...

linky: irregardless

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ir·re·gard·less (ĭr'ĭ-gärd'lĭs) pronunciation
adv. Nonstandard.

Regardless.

[Probably blend of IRRESPECTIVE and REGARDLESS.]

USAGE NOTE Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

5757 · 09-29-2005, 07:50 AM

Ah ha. Thanks. Hmm

I wonder if thats how you're supposed to write ah ha.

Maybe it's common knowledge to know that, but I'm out of the loop.

Redlemon you're awesome! Always so helpful!

Redlemon · 09-29-2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 5757

Ah ha. Thanks. Hmm

I wonder if thats how you're supposed to write ah ha.

Well, if you are referring to the Norwegian pop group, it would be "a-ha" (no capitals, one hyphen).

Otherwise, I don't know. (And that's why my usertag is what it is.)

xepherys · 09-29-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by maiden_fan_us

And forte is pronounced FORT not FORTAY.

This is from Merriam-Webster:

usage In forte we have a word derived from French that in its "strong point" sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. Usage writers have denigrated \'for-"tA\ and \'for-tE\ because they reflect the influence of the Italian-derived 2forte. Their recommended pronunciation \'fort\, however, does not exactly reflect French either: the French would write the word le fort and would rhyme it with English for. So you can take your choice, knowing that someone somewhere will dislike whichever variant you choose. All are standard, however. In British English \'fo-"tA\ and \'fot\ predominate; \'for-"tA\ and \for-'tA\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English.

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Originally Posted by maiden_fan_us

Contrary to popular belief, irregardless is NOT a word.

Also from Merriam-Webster:

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

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Originally Posted by fhqwhgads

When you see a patrol car driving down the road with lights and sirens, pull to the right and STOP.

Is this the case as well on Interstate Highways? My understanding was that you should continue driving at speed in your current lane and the primary accomodation is to always allow an emergency vehicle to move in front of you. By slowing down or stopping and/or quickly swerving into other lanes, you are far more likely to cause an accident. This is what I've been told by people I know (ambulance drivers, police officers) and seems to be the common agreeable amongst my friends.

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Originally Posted by Daoust

A teacher cannot fail a student ( in elementary at least) without the full consent and cooperation of the parent. The student can miss an entire year of school, not know how to read or write, or have any positive social communication skills, and can be placed in the above grade, on the parents permission. This, in a nutshell, is one of the major reasons why the education system is so frigged up.

This one interests me. Do you have any links? This cannot be federal law, meaning each state would have to have this enacted. Most states leave this up to the school distrcits in question. I doubt all school districts in the U.S. have a regulation like this. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd live to see more info if anyone has any.

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Originally Posted by SirLance

...Which is why so many Canadians are lined up at Buffalo, NY, hospitals to get coronary bypass surgery done...

Ah, but how many Americans are lined up in Canada (Windsor) to get prescription drugs? How many in Mexico for alternative treatments and surgeries not authorized by the FDA? It's not opinion, it's supported fact. Yes, we spend more money than any other country in medical developments, but the outrageous, criminially neglegent acts of price gouging within the U.S. insurance industry prevents the average U.S. citizen from receiving benefits from it.

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Originally Posted by Gilda

The correct inflation pressure for the stock tires on your car is the one recommended by your car's manufacturer, not the maximum listed on the tire, and is usually found on a sticker inside the driver's side door or glove compartment.

As a side note... the inflation information on MOST tires is only a maximum PSI value, rather than a recommended value.

Redlemon · 10-20-2005, 12:22 PM

If two slow-moving lanes of traffic average the same speed, the other lane will be moving faster than your lane for more than half of the time.

Demonstration: let's assign arbirtary values and extreme cases. You and another driver are travelling 20 miles. For the first 10 miles, you average a speed of 5 miles per hour. For the second 10 miles, you average 100 miles per hour. The other lane does the exact opposite. You spend (10/5) two hours watching the other cars pass you, then (10/100) 6 minutes passing the other cars, but you arrive at the same time as the other driver.

florida0214 · 10-20-2005, 01:42 PM

Gas pedal is on the right asshole!! anyway most people should know that it is near impossible to get a comission in into the USAF right out of college unless you are a doctor. I fyou got a degree in finace mangement or bussiness you were better off just enlisteing.

Only 4% of the AF actually fly air planes not 100% get it!!!

No I am not a pilot thank you!!!

1010011010 · 10-20-2005, 04:48 PM

Do not approach at high speed a US warship maneuvring into port. I'm sure your kids really want to see the big boat, but a small craft coming straight at us at full throttle causes a bit of excitment amongst the people with the machineguns.

If you do decide to do the above, don't stop in front of the ship for your photo opportunity. We can neither stop nor go around you. We are not sounding the ship's whistle for your amusement. It's our subtle way of saying "Holy shit! We're about to run over some jackass and his family in a speedboat!".

Grasshopper Green · 10-21-2005, 07:53 PM

409 works just as well as a stain remover for clothing as shout and other commercial products, and since a lot of people use it for general cleaning, it can kill two birds with one stone. I've never had it discolor anything, either.

5757 · 10-21-2005, 08:11 PM

Butter + Burns= NO!!! My daughter had an accident with some hot lasagna recently. A friend suggested I put butter on the burn . . . . . .

NO! Don't do this if you burn your skin. The butter retains the heat, therefore making it hotter. My grandma always made us put butter on our burns growing up. Ouch!

1010011010 · 10-22-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 5757

Butter + Burns= NO!!! My daughter had an accident with some hot lasagna recently. A friend suggested I put butter on the burn . . . . . .

NO! Don't do this if you burn your skin. The butter retains the heat, therefore making it hotter. My grandma always made us put butter on our burns growing up. Ouch!

The point of putting fat/oil on burns is to trap moisture and keep the skin from drying out. It might be percieved as warmer due to the loss of evaporative cooling, I suppose. By the time you get around to rubbing butter on it (which should be AFTER you've run it under cool water for 5 to 10 minutes, yes?) there's not really any heat left from the initial burn to be retained.

noodle · 10-22-2005, 11:09 AM

Do not pull into the middle of a funeral procession.

Yes, we know it's long. Yes, it's a pain in the ass to wait. Yes, we realize how annoying it is. Yes, we are driving through red lights, but usually there's a police officer there. No, you don't need to turn on your lights and flashers and jump in. Yes, someone might starting honking at you and gesturing at you furiously as you are disrespecting their loved one. Yes, that angry father might just stop the procession and get out of hit vehicle to punch yours. No, grieving people are not rational.

I'm not sure if it's illegal in Florida to not yield to a funeral procession, but it's happened at four of the last five I've been it. Whether it was ten cars or 60 (yes there was one that was 60 cars long). How horrifyingly disrespectful and rude! That's a dead person and their family, friends, loved ones... they don't want to be there either.

skier · 10-22-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1010011010

The point of putting fat/oil on burns is to trap moisture and keep the skin from drying out. It might be percieved as warmer due to the loss of evaporative cooling, I suppose. By the time you get around to rubbing butter on it (which should be AFTER you've run it under cool water for 5 to 10 minutes, yes?) there's not really any heat left from the initial burn to be retained.

This is fine. I would rather use an actual moisturising lotion though.

The old wives tale is not about putting on butter/oil after you've stopped the burn, but rather using the butter in order to stop the burn. The oil spreads the heat further down, retaining heat and doing more damage.

uncle phil · 10-23-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 5757

Is this true?

there is no such word as "irregardless..."

5757 · 10-23-2005, 04:51 PM

Uncle Phil . . .

I hear people say that all the time... especially while fighting, etc.

Man, us Americans say the darndest things. Aint.. gonna.. dontcha.. I have a couple of friends who can speak over 5 different languages and they have told me that in their opinions, english is the hardest language to learn. I can see why now.

asaris · 10-24-2005, 12:24 PM

Eh, irregardless is in the OED as non-standard, so that's good enough for me.

Randerolf · 11-03-2005, 02:36 PM

The medicine cabinet in your bathroom is the worst (well one of the worst

) place(s) to put your drugs.

The high level of humidity and high fluctuation of temperature tend to break down the medicine.

SERPENT7 · 11-12-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by eeef2
urine is sterile- most of the time- and one could drink it to survive without water.

Posted by Vitamin H:
I'd like to dispute this. While urine is generally sterile (unless you have an infection in your bladder, kidneys, or tubing) drinking it to survive when you have no water is not a good idea. You're just reingesting stuff that your kidneys will have to re-excrete, causing you to lose more water.

Actually eeef2 is right. But only so long as the urine is clearish. Once it turns yellow, it is mostly uric acid, which is toxic.

Randerolf · 11-13-2005, 02:18 PM

From the reprint of the Department of the Army Field Manual: US Army Survival Manual, page 3-2

Quote:

Do not use sea water or urine under any circumstances. Although they will satisfy thirst temporarily, they actually cause additional water loss from the body, promote dehydrations, and if taken in sufficent quantity, will kill you.

Then again, wikipedia says of urine

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Shipwrecked or people otherwise adrift at sea for long periods often resort to drinking their urine when no rainwater is available, seawater being unsuitable. People stranded in deserts often also drank urine to prevent life-threatening dehydration from setting in.

soccerchamp76 · 11-14-2005, 11:56 AM

Randerolf, et all, I think the main concept behind drinking your own urine would be as a brief temporary solution if you knew you would be rescued within a couple days but you needed SOME water to maintain your health.

soccerchamp76 · 11-14-2005, 12:00 PM

This is an interesting phenomena, as least to me.

In physics, you would logically assume that the quickest way from point A to point B is a straight line, correct? Well, technically, it isn't. If you have a ball on an incline plane, for instance, 45º, and measure the time it takes to roll down the hill, it will be slower than this:
Imagine a wheel, but cut in quarters, like a pizza. Now, take the curve sloping downward, and release the ball from there. It will be quicker than the straight line attempt, due to differences in potential and kinetic energy.
Hopefully, you were able to visualize this.

08-31-2005, 09:50 AM	#82 (permalink)
Slavakion Mjollnir Incarnate Location: Lost in thought	Have you ever been in a situation where you need extra email addresses to get more free coupons or something? Do you have a gmail address? Gmail has a nifty feature called filters. They can be used to auto-sort your mail. Just add a plus sign and something else after your address name. But pretty much, most websites will see filtered addresses as completely different. So while the following addresses are the same, they don't look like it to the form you're filling out. hello@gmail.com hello+1@gmail.com hello+asdfjkl@gmail.com EDIT: Obviously VBulletin is confused by them, since it didn't auto-link them. Last edited by Slavakion; 08-31-2005 at 09:53 AM..

09-29-2005, 06:45 AM	#86 (permalink)
5757 Insane Location: Vegas!!	... I was actually referring to the popular belief... __________________ Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint, Forever in debt to ((your)) priceless advice. - Nirvana

09-29-2005, 07:50 AM	#88 (permalink)
5757 Insane Location: Vegas!!	... Ah ha. Thanks. Hmm I wonder if thats how you're supposed to write ah ha. Maybe it's common knowledge to know that, but I'm out of the loop. Redlemon you're awesome! Always so helpful! __________________ Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint, Forever in debt to ((your)) priceless advice. - Nirvana

10-20-2005, 12:22 PM	#91 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	If two slow-moving lanes of traffic average the same speed, the other lane will be moving faster than your lane for more than half of the time. Demonstration: let's assign arbirtary values and extreme cases. You and another driver are travelling 20 miles. For the first 10 miles, you average a speed of 5 miles per hour. For the second 10 miles, you average 100 miles per hour. The other lane does the exact opposite. You spend (10/5) two hours watching the other cars pass you, then (10/100) 6 minutes passing the other cars, but you arrive at the same time as the other driver. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

10-20-2005, 01:42 PM	#92 (permalink)
florida0214 Crazy Location: South Florida	Gas pedal is on the right asshole!! anyway most people should know that it is near impossible to get a comission in into the USAF right out of college unless you are a doctor. I fyou got a degree in finace mangement or bussiness you were better off just enlisteing. Only 4% of the AF actually fly air planes not 100% get it!!! No I am not a pilot thank you!!! __________________ "Two men: one thinks he can. One thinks he cannot. They are Both Right."

08-31-2005, 07:52 PM	#83 (permalink)
Tusko Psycho	i still hold that the colloquialism is "Fortay" just as "ain't" is incorrect, and a whole slew of other words.

10-20-2005, 04:48 PM	#93 (permalink)
1010011010 Psycho Location: Virginia Beach, VA	Do not approach at high speed a US warship maneuvring into port. I'm sure your kids really want to see the big boat, but a small craft coming straight at us at full throttle causes a bit of excitment amongst the people with the machineguns. If you do decide to do the above, don't stop in front of the ship for your photo opportunity. We can neither stop nor go around you. We are not sounding the ship's whistle for your amusement. It's our subtle way of saying "Holy shit! We're about to run over some jackass and his family in a speedboat!". __________________ *Simple Machines in Higher Dimensions*

10-21-2005, 07:53 PM	#94 (permalink)
Grasshopper Green ...is a comical chap Location: Where morons reign supreme	409 works just as well as a stain remover for clothing as shout and other commercial products, and since a lot of people use it for general cleaning, it can kill two birds with one stone. I've never had it discolor anything, either. __________________ "They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings; steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king" Formerly Medusa

10-21-2005, 08:11 PM	#95 (permalink)
5757 Insane Location: Vegas!!	No! Butter + Burns= NO!!! My daughter had an accident with some hot lasagna recently. A friend suggested I put butter on the burn . . . . . . NO! Don't do this if you burn your skin. The butter retains the heat, therefore making it hotter. My grandma always made us put butter on our burns growing up. Ouch! __________________ Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint, Forever in debt to ((your)) priceless advice. - Nirvana

10-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#100 (permalink)
5757 Insane Location: Vegas!!	.... Uncle Phil . . . I hear people say that all the time... especially while fighting, etc. Man, us Americans say the darndest things. Aint.. gonna.. dontcha.. I have a couple of friends who can speak over 5 different languages and they have told me that in their opinions, english is the hardest language to learn. I can see why now. __________________ Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint, Forever in debt to ((your)) priceless advice. - Nirvana

10-24-2005, 12:24 PM	#101 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	Eh, irregardless is in the OED as non-standard, so that's good enough for me. __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

11-03-2005, 02:36 PM	#102 (permalink)
Randerolf Fireball Location: ~	The medicine cabinet in your bathroom is the worst (well one of the worst ) place(s) to put your drugs. The high level of humidity and high fluctuation of temperature tend to break down the medicine.

11-12-2005, 09:34 PM	#103 (permalink)
SERPENT7 Crazy Location: Gold country!	Originally Posted by eeef2 urine is sterile- most of the time- and one could drink it to survive without water. Posted by Vitamin H: I'd like to dispute this. While urine is generally sterile (unless you have an infection in your bladder, kidneys, or tubing) drinking it to survive when you have no water is not a good idea. You're just reingesting stuff that your kidneys will have to re-excrete, causing you to lose more water. Actually eeef2 is right. But only so long as the urine is clearish. Once it turns yellow, it is mostly uric acid, which is toxic.

11-14-2005, 11:56 AM	#105 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	Randerolf, et all, I think the main concept behind drinking your own urine would be as a brief temporary solution if you knew you would be rescued within a couple days but you needed SOME water to maintain your health. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

11-14-2005, 12:00 PM	#106 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	This is an interesting phenomena, as least to me. In physics, you would logically assume that the quickest way from point A to point B is a straight line, correct? Well, technically, it isn't. If you have a ball on an incline plane, for instance, 45º, and measure the time it takes to roll down the hill, it will be slower than this: Imagine a wheel, but cut in quarters, like a pizza. Now, take the curve sloping downward, and release the ball from there. It will be quicker than the straight line attempt, due to differences in potential and kinetic energy. Hopefully, you were able to visualize this. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.