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View Poll Results: Is cheating at school ever justified?
no! 76 54.68%
If you're not cheating, you're not trying. 19 13.67%
Only if it won't hurt others. 18 12.95%
Only if the class or teacher is stupid. 26 18.71%
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Old 07-30-2003, 01:42 PM   #41 (permalink)
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*shrug* i cheat when/if i can. gotta do what you gotta do.
That is the worst attitude ever. You seem proud of the fact that you gotta cheat to make up for whatever you're lacking in.

Cheating hurts everyone that doesn't cheat. Cheating inflates grades so that people who are deserving of good grades only seem mediocre. Also it makes teachers lose trust in their students, which leads to time and effort wasted trying to prevent cheating instead of teaching. I really don't care if cheaters end up hurting themselves. What gets me mad is that they hurt the talented, more deserving individuals.

If you forget to study then just take the hit. Don't try to trick yourself into thinking you deserved that grade anyways. You probably should have paid attention in class anyways so that you don't always need to rely on last minute cramming.
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Old 07-30-2003, 04:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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In college I had to take a required language class, so I took Italian. I hated that class. The teahcer was a bitch, the exercises we had to do were stupid, I had to get up at the butcrack of dawn to even make it to the class.

Long story short, toward the end of semester I was failing. So not wanting to take it again I made a half hearted attempt to cheat on a couple of important tests. On one test I even put down some wrong answers I new were wrong so I didn't get a perfect score and arouse suspicion.

In the end I just let myself fail. I don't know why, but I'm glad I did. The only options I had for making up the class and credit were a couple of summer programs. One that was in Italy. I signed up for it, went, loved it, and could even speak OK Italian by the time I was done.

If I had really cheated and passed the course I never would have went.

The point is all cheating is a missed oppurtunity. Even if the oppurtunity is just to learn a little something.

The old saying "you're only cheating yourself" is overused, corny, and, for the most part, true.
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Old 08-02-2003, 03:40 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I cheated in highschool, but never on exams, I would only cheat on stupid papers we had to write about something we had been taught or on research papers
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Old 08-02-2003, 06:16 PM   #44 (permalink)
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highschool i never cheated but i saw others do it all the time that made me so damn angry that i was doin all that work while they just copied it down.
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Old 08-02-2003, 09:25 PM   #45 (permalink)
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cheaters do not hurt themselves. I went to highschool with a woman who was a RAMPANT cheater - cheated on every test I ever saw her take. She's now a state representative who ran on a campaign of honesty. Bah. The only people hurt by cheaters are the non-cheaters. It's very difficult to compete against a crib sheet.
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Old 08-03-2003, 12:36 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Generally, i was pretty good at applying myself through school and uni. However, i remeber when i was about 11, i cheated outragously on maths tests. I paid dearly for this 1 year later. I had none of the skills the other kids in my class had and got put in the remedial class with the kids with serious learning problems. It was a good life lesson really; you get what you give, you reap what you sew... etc etc
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Old 08-03-2003, 07:56 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Cheated on language exams in high school. Sadly don't know the language as well as I could now.

Haven't cheated since, in college it simply was worth it because I work hard and get A's. If your in college and working hard doesn't get you A's, then deal. It means your not qualified to do high level work in your major. Switch to something easier, or if you truly love the topic then work harder.

College to a degree forces you take less BS. Although sometimes it forces you into it. For instance COSI being required to take physics or chemistry, which is totally retarded and a serious waste of valuable time...
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Old 08-03-2003, 02:58 PM   #48 (permalink)
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i have cheated on and off through out my school years. my best method was sticking a small paper with notes in the inside of my hat. that way i can take it off and put it on whenever the professor decides to wander. it may seem obvious, but i have yet to be busted
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Old 08-03-2003, 03:38 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I really see no use in cheating, because you are really only screwing yourself over when you cheat. If you get caught cheating off of someone, then it's usually both people who end up getting in trouble. There's no honor in it.
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:58 PM   #50 (permalink)
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well....

I have cheated before. I really needed a good grade, and despite my studious effforts, just could not understand the material. I ended up with a D in the class
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Old 08-11-2003, 05:42 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I dont mind cheating if its done under fun curcumstances like playing a game for example Monoplay but cheating in school in an exam is just cheating yourself.
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Old 08-11-2003, 01:10 PM   #52 (permalink)
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My gut instinct is NO, cheating is NEVER right, but then I think you know if some student figures out a loophole or a way to dodge the system, I don't think that is wrong, hell I've done that. But out and out sheating is just wrong.
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Old 08-11-2003, 03:52 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Old 08-11-2003, 08:21 PM   #54 (permalink)
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i do put formulas and programs on my graphing calculator. i do not consider that cheating, because i have to know what to do to use the programs (all most all of the programs i use, i make).
Same here, like my physics teacher said....if you can program a formula into you calculator with no help go ahead and do it.
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Old 08-12-2003, 12:43 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I used to hate people who got free rides and/or were actually allowed to cheat just because they were on the Football/Baseball/whatever team. I wasn't one for cheating and due to some wrecked curves ended up a few tests.
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Old 08-12-2003, 07:20 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Knowing someone is cheating and doesn't care about it riles me right up there with teeth grinding and nails on a chalkboard. I tell the person once that if I see them doing it again, I'm turning them in to the prof. They may keep on doing it, but I sure as hell never see them doing it.
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Old 08-12-2003, 09:17 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I'll admit it, I cheat sometimes in class. Most people don't know if you have the time, you can type everything you need to know into your cellphone, it's easy. Teachers never think twice about it.
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Old 08-19-2003, 01:42 PM   #58 (permalink)
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School is to prepare you for the real world. If you cheat, you might get good grades, but you learn nothing (except how to cheat), and you leave unprepared. So, in the long run, you only cheat yourself. That's my opinion.
though it is entirely possible that learning how to effectively cheat is a useful skill in the real world.
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Old 08-20-2003, 01:49 AM   #59 (permalink)
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wow. i remember a really funny time my first year of college during our final exam for spanish I. it was sooo hard and everyone was just stumped and not getting a lot of it and no teacher was in the room so...... one person started to ask some friendly help and before you knew it, everyone was sharing a free-for-all. :-D it was quite fun to join the bandwagon. kind of makes you feel less evil too ;P now that's cognitive dissonance.
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Old 08-20-2003, 01:42 PM   #60 (permalink)
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cheating, by definition, is wrong.

Was in a senior level education class in college and a student was caught cheating. The Professor flunked him and put a "Note of concern" in his file. The guy graduated (after taking the same class with a different prof the next semester) and couldn't even get an interview. Last I heard, he was flipping burgers for a living.

Cheating doesn't hurt anyone? Tell him that!

Did I mention... cheating, by definiton is wrong.
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Old 08-20-2003, 02:57 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Well.. the way I see it, just because you cheat doesn't mean you don't learn something. I think it depends on the manner in which you cheat.

I myself never really cheated that much, sure in class we would copy HW and such with eachother before we started, but I never needed to cheat on tests and what not. I would justs scan over my notes(or someone elses ) a few minutes before the test/quiz and do fine. And that went for most of the people I knew as well.

Back to my first statement..if you do something like steal an answer key beforehand and just fill in the bubbles with the answers, your screwing yourself unless you look at the questions and retain the information. Thats what its all about.. retaining the information.


Most of the people I knew that did cheat (and I didn't know anyone that cheated a whole lot) were very smart people that either:
A: didn't have the time to studay the night before, on the account of all of their activities/sports and sometimes not getting home until 9 at night(often) and having to get up at 5:30 in the morning every day.
or B: They were very smart but they did not want to spend every waking minute studying. (I know people that DO do this.. and thats no way to spend your teenage years).

The work load put on students now-a-days can be rediculous. If you take all AP classes (I took english... reading 20-30ish books for the year is bad enough.. gogo sparknotes.. compared to the 4-6 in a college level course), I knew a lot of people that did this as well.

But I'm sorry.. theres no way you can acheive perfect grades, be active in enough activity's that make you stand out in the college search, AND have a social life (VERY IMPORTANT). Unless you know how to BS at least a little. Knowing what you can and cant get away with is a very valuable skill in life.

Even if you take all college level courses it can be tough to maintain all of that.(Not to say that you shouldn't have to put forth some effort)

I wont comment on college.. because I'm sure its a different story, and I know i'll be working my ass off when I start this september (going to Drexel in Philly)

Anyway.. kind of rambled there. My point is, I think life is more than Black and White.

I hope that all came together.. lol

Edit: I guess I kind of went off the topic of blatant cheating, which I dont think is right.

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Old 08-21-2003, 01:44 PM   #62 (permalink)
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When I was in highschool about 10 years ago I had horrible grades. I tried most of the time, sometimes I was just bored. I'm not stupid or anything. When I got to college I did much better. I never cheated, or at least didn't mean to. Anyway, seems like everyone I have run into that I graduated HS with, has told me they cheated their way thru HS. It pisses me off, but what can you do. I'm almost afraid to say it, but it seems like you gotta cheat to keep up with the world. I'm still honest and don't plan on cheating for anything... just a thought
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Old 08-21-2003, 01:53 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I cheated on my GCSE Maths exam at school.... once. I could see the guys paper next to me and I was stuck on one question... I just copied what he had. He was probably wrong anyways, but I did pass the exam... although I'm sure that one answer didn't make it a pass (I got a B).

I felt, and still do, feel bad about it.... but it was 10 years ago... and I've never used trigonometry since.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:23 PM   #64 (permalink)
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i cheated all of the time in highschool
there was a whole cheating culture going on, esp in our final exams (which are called HSC).
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Old 08-21-2003, 08:01 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Grades in my high school were a joke. More of your grade depended on who you were than what you knew. I knew several people with 3.0 GPAs that knew more than I did with my 4.1, and they were trying harder than I was. Maybe that explains why so many of the upper quarter of my class left for school elsewhere, and ended back up at Westark (the local college) within a year.

I never went back. My GPA is still 0.00, due to excessive alcohol and academic dishonesty. I just don't my kids to do what I did.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:59 PM   #66 (permalink)
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In high school, I used to cheat occasionally by putting equations and such that I needed to remember into my TI83. I never went to the extent that some students went, tracking down other people's tests and then memorizing the answers or smuggling cheat sheets in with answers, but what I did was still wrong.

Then, in 11th grade, I had a reality check. I was working on a physics test, and I had some equations in my calc. I hadn't really studied enough, so they weren't even helping me. I was the last person in the room, and my teach came over, I think to see if there was any help he could give me, and he noticed my calculator. He looked through it, and took my test away.

The next day, he asked me to stay for a moment after class. He gave me a second chance, thankfully did not report me to the administration (colleges don't like cheating on your transcript), and let me take a different version of the test. The only condition was that I got half of whatever grade I actually earned on that test. So I studied my ass off, managed to pull a 99, and got a 50, instead of a 0. I realized how truly lucky I was, and I also realized that my teacher had given me a warning. I didn't cheat after that.
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Old 09-01-2003, 01:46 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I hate the people in college who hang out everyday in the teachers office hours, waiting to glean information about tests or to complain about questions on tests/homework to squeeze out a few more points. It's more annoying to me than blatant cheating.
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Old 09-01-2003, 03:36 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I cheated once. In high school, long ago. I took an Algebra II class; he was a crappy teacher, he'd given up, he didn't explain anything to anybody. I was a good student and I tried, but math was not my main talent and there was no way I could keep up. So rather than take a bad grade because old Waiting-for-Retirement had given up, I cheated enough to get a "B".

Did I cheat myself? No. I wasn't planning to go into a technical field. I was just fulfilling my college general ed requirement. Of course, if I was taking that class today, as an adult college, I'd probably go to the department head and denounce the teacher as incompetent and get my ass dropped and reenrolled with somebody better.

Never cheated after that.
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Old 09-05-2003, 06:48 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I've never cheated. I always considered it risky both in the short & long run. In the short run, you risk getting caught. In the long run, you risk losing your job, if it depends on your knowing the information you supposedly aced in an exam.

I'd rather truly kick ass at a job than wank my way through life.
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Old 09-05-2003, 07:35 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I remember one day in english class I was the only one who didn't cheat on the vocabulary test. I got a C while everyone else in the class got a perfect. My teacher didn't even suspect a thing. I really didn't care since I hated that class.
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Old 09-06-2003, 04:46 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I never cheated, THEREFORE IT IS BAD!
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