Sleepyjack

its not 1.5, well it could be, but the first number is important in deriving the (or a) soultion

Kadath

Actually, the solution I've been taught is the blind man who uses the ringing of the buoy tied to the dock as a signal to turn. The buoy broke free and the man drowned. Yours, however, is acceptable.
Sleepyjack, these are originally puzzles where you are allowed to ask "yes or no" questions of the person to determine what went on. TIO just knows them all, like I do. Did you go through a gifted program in school, perhaps? And where are your riddles, Mr. Smarty Man, TIO?
Sleepyjack, your answer is "three." Number of letters in the word version of the number, e.g. four -- four, three -- five, etc.

And Cynthetiq's is Superman/Kryptonite.

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Sleepyjack

ok, that yes and no stuff helps a lot. It just was very surprising how TIO kinda pulled it out of the bag. lol

yep three was right as well

Hard8s

If you go out of the sun and I go in what do you get?

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Sin, Hard8s
Nice one; I hadn't heard that one before.

And since Kadath wants questions...I'll start with an easy one. A traveller met two men eating lunch, and joined them. One of the men had 3 loaves, and the other had 5. All were the same size. The three men shared the loaves equally. After they had eaten, the traveller gave the men 8 gold coins as payment for the food. How should the men fairly divide the money?

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Sleepyjack

hmm my maths may be a little shaking, nut basicallly here is my working for the answer.

ok 8 loafs between 3 guys. 8/3 = 2.66 loafs each abouts
one guy has 3 loafs so 3 - 2.66= 0.33 of his loaf was unaccounted for.

the other guy has 5 loafs. 5 - 2.66 = 2.33
so he had 2.33 loafs accounted for

then theres a total of 2.66 loafs which the other guy ate and is gonna consequently pay for, by the 8 coins. He then would've had 0.33 of one guys loaf and 2.33 of the other guys loaf.
maths again

2.33/2.66 = 0.8759 and 0.33/2.66 = 0.124

ok nows that the percentage of the total payment each should get.

edit: ignore the rounding errors, i just did it with my trusty calc and it works out exact...pretty sure its right as well.

.8759*8 = 7
0.124*8 = 1

therefore the guy with 5 loafs gets 7 coins and the guy with 3 loafs gets 1 coin.

i guess. Is that right. Sorry if my maths and explanation is a little shady, it was my first go

Sleepyjack

ok i found this old one i know back from HS, its pretty cool. Sorry for the formating, thats how i got it off the web page....

Three guys in a hotel call room service
and order two large
pizzas. The delivery boy
brings them up with a bill for exactly
$30.00. Each guy gives him
a $10.00 bill, and
he leaves. When he hands the
$30.00 to the cashier,
he is told a mistake
was made. The bill was only $25.00, not
$30.00. The cashier gives
the delivery boy five $1.00 bills and
tells him to take it back to
the 3 guys who ordered the pizza.
On the way back to their room, the
delivery boy has a
thought....these guys did not give him a
tip. He figures that
since there is no way to split $5.00
evenly three
ways anyhow, he will keep two dollars
for
himself and give them
back three Dollars. OK! So far so good!
He knocks on the door and one fellow
answers. He explains about a
mix up in the bill,
and hands the guy the three dollars,
then
departs with his two
dollar tip in his pocket.
Now the fun begins! remember $30-$25=$5
Right?
$5-$3=$2 Right? So what's the problem?

All is well, right? Not quite.

Answer this: Each of the three guys
originally gave $10.00 each.
They each got back $1.00 in change. That
means they paid $9.00
each, which times three is $27.00. The
delivery boy kept $2.00 for a tip.
$27.00
plus $2.00 equals
$29.00.

Where the heck is that other dollar????????????

TIO

Well done, Sleepyjack.

As for your question, it's an oldie but a goodie. Very hard to spot at first.

Each guy did pay $9. Then, $2 of the $27 went to the delivery boy, and the other $25 went to the pizza place.

The trick is where you add the $2 to the $27 collected. That shouldn't be there.

One of my favourites:
A businessman had an important meeting which led him to fly from London to New York on the concorde (this is in the past, before it crashed). When he left home in the morning, his wife drove him to the airport and kissed him goodbye as he went through to the departure lounge. She did some shopping at the airport, and saw the concorde take off on time.
The businessman's flight from London to NY was, of course, a direct flight. He went straight through customs when he arrived in NY, and had no baggage to collect. There in the arrivals hall was his wife, waiting to drive him home! She had only seen him off that morning, and had not flown or taken a boat; how did she get there to meet him?

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Kadath

Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring
Well, off the top my head I'd say at no point does it say the guy only took one flight. If he's, say the pilot of the concorde...
So he lives in NYC, flew the concorde out to London, then flew it back to NYC. Since it's the concorde and does the flight in about 2 hours or some such sick amount of time, it's easily possible to fly to Europe and back to America in the space of one working day. If I'm right about this, it doesn't hold up as well as it did before the concorde crashed, because it NEEDS to use a plane that can do the distance in such a short amount of time, and that you're forced to make reference to the fact that this was before it crashed draws unwanted attention to the type of plane. Of course, if I'm wrong....
How about:
Four friends are on their way home at night. They come to a darkened bridge that is, for whatever reason, only traversable by two people at once. Also, they have only one flashlight between them, and the flashlight must be carried whenever crossing the bridge. They cannot risk losing the flashlight by throwing or rolling it back across the bridge, so someone must convey it back for the group to cross. The four friends are varied in athletic ability. One is a sprinter and can cross the bridge in one minute flat. The second is a soccer player and can cross in two minutes. The third is a typical unathletic American and can only cross in five minutes, and the last has a broken leg. It takes him ten minutes. The good news is that it takes only the greater amount of time for two people to cross, i.e., the sprinter takes the fat slob's pace. They have 17 minutes to get all the way across : how do they do it?

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Sleepyjack

yay, i finally got it.

ok there alwyas gonna be 5 trips minimum. I just got stuck trying to use the sprinter too much. Like kept getting
sprinter+soccer = 2
sprinter back = 1
sprinter + typical = 5
sprinter back = 1
then sprinter + leg guy = 10

total = 19

alas, finally realised that you really need to get the broken leg guy and the typical guy to go over together as there only move to optimise the get over time.

anyways here it is.

sprinter + socer = 2
soccer back = 2
leg + typical = 10
sprinter back = 1
sprinter + soccer = 2
total =17

cool little trick, got me thinking again on holidays.

cheers

as for that airplane one, thats mind boggling... is it on a real life scale or some game thing...hmm i dunno. Although i only quickly read kadaths reply i didn't really get it. Maybe i'll think about it later, the bridge is still on my mind lol

TIO

Jack, Kadath was correct. The man lived in New York. He flew to London for the meeting, and flew back that night to his wife. With that knowledge, read the question again and see if it makes any more sense

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Sleepyjack

k, i get it now

another little maths riddle, not a baddie

A frog fell into a well 12 feet deep. He could jump 3 feet, but every time he jumped 3 feet, he fell back 2 feet. How many times did he have to jump to get out of the well?

TIO

10

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Kadath

Actually, I vote for eight jumps, depending on whether you consider jumping to 10 feet able to get out of the well, or if he needs clearance. Think about it this way: the first number is how high he reaches with the jump, the second is where he falls back to.
3 -- 1
4 -- 2
5 -- 3
6 -- 4
7 -- 5
8 -- 6
9 -- 7
10(out) -- 8

My riddle...hmm. Easy one off the top of my head. Father and his son are out driving together. They get in a terrible car accident. Both are rushed to the hospital. The doctor for the son walks in, sees the boy on the table, and says "I cannot operate on this boy: he is my son." Explain!

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TIO

Kadath, the well is 12 feet deep :P

The two involved in the crash were the son and grandson of the surgeon.

For more family fun:
At a family reunion, the following relationships existed:
father, mother, son, daughter, uncle, aunt, brother, sister, nephew, neice, and cousin. What is the minimum number of people who could have been there?

And a classic: a man in front of a painting says "Brothers and sisters have I none, but this man's father is my father's son."
Who is in the picture?

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Kadath

Oh...shit But you're wrong on mine! Well, it would work, I guess, but it's not what I was going for. A father, Frank, and his son, John....John is brought before the doctor. The doctor says "I can't operate on him. He is my son."

Are we talking about West Virginia? buddum bum bum.
Last first: Himself.
The other one. I come up with 4. Bobby is brother and uncle, and father. Susie is mother, sister and aunt. Tommy is nephew and cousin and son Annie is niece and cousin and daughter. A brother and sister, and each has one kid.

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Sleepyjack

@ kadath, also the doctor could've been the sons mother. Everyone thinks a guy is a doctor fro some reason.
for the family question, i got 4....no idea how right it is

1 man, 1 women, 1 girl, 1 boy
basically the man and women are bro and sister and each has a child of different sexes, it doen't matter which one goes to which. That covers all of those relaitonships.

unless there is some kind of inner breading.....

also i guess he's looking at a picture of himself...

i'll add some more later
unless i am completely wrong

EDIT: damn kadath beat me by 2 minutes

Kadath

Sorry buddy, glad we confirmed each other though. But you are dead bang on with the doctor question, including the reason people get it wrong. Oh, and you wanted "inbreeding." Mmmmm...inner breading...

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Sleepyjack

old classic. A similar variation is in that old movie labrynth with David Bowie and the bog of etenral stench

You arrive at the gate of heaven and hell. Two guardians are here. None of them is seating in front of a particular gate, they are just walking around. One of the gate leads to heaven, the other to hell, and as you might have guessed, you have to find which one. The only thing you know is that one of the guardian is always lying and the other always telling the truth. You can ask one question to one of them.

TIO

GAAAH! Why didn't I get that?

You're both wrong about the painting.

Jack, ask one of them, "If I ask the other guard where your gate leads to, what will he say?"
If the guard says "Heaven," the gate leads to hell, and vice versa.

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TIO

Another easy one:

2 grandmasters played 5 games of chess. Each won the same number of games and lost the same number of games. There were no draws in any of the games. How could this be so?

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cliche

not playing each other?

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cliche

A longer one, but a good one, and better suited to the more elderly... feel free to ask questions if you've not heard it before

A man is driving his car to work. He switches on the radio to hear some music playing, and immediately drives his car off the convenient nearby cliff to kill himself. He is not mentally unhinged/suicidal before switching on the radio...

why does he kill himself?

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TIO

Well done, Cliche

I haven't heard that one before, either! Methinks I'm going to like having you in this thread

Did he perhaps hear on the news that his involvement in some crime or scandal had been discovered?

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Kadath

FUCKING idiot. It's the man's son. This man's father is my father's son. I am ASHAMED..
And I'm going to have to approach cliche's as a yes/no game...but not yet. Not yet.

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Xell101

Narcyleptic? Sleeper agent from the old Sovient Union whose musical trigger to accelerate in a certain direction was played? He was stuck in his car with a broken radio and killed himself to end the agony of substandard quality music.

Nisses

My 2 cents:

A man lives in a very tall building, almost at the top floor. In the morning, he takes the elevator down to ground-level, gets in his car, goes to work, comes back home, takes the elevator to the 8th floor, goes up all the way to the top by the stairs, and gets back to his apartment.
The next day, he takes the elevator downstairs again, all the way to groundlevel, gets in his car, goes to work, comes home, takes the elevator to the 8th floor, and runs up the stairs for the remaining floors...

Why does he do this, assuming it's not to work out?

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TIO

OK, Kadath, if you want a yes/no:
"If I ask the other guard if this gate leads to heaven, will he say yes?"
Same difference.

Nisses, he's a midget

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Sleepyjack

oh so he couldn't reach the higher buttons on the elevator?
thats very clever

@TIO, i beleive kadath was refering the yes no game in order to solve cliche's riddle. Unfortunaly, these things are normally much more effective with a real time element. Like that albatros soup one, cliches one about the car would probably have a lot of backstory as well in order to solve it.

Kadath

My thanks, Sleepyjack.

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cliche

TIO:
the radio was playing music only
Xell101:
narcolepsy - he remained conscious throughout, and deliberately drove his car off the cliff
sleeper agent - good but no
bored of music - despite being quite repetitive, the music was actually the kind he would normally enjoy and play

I'll drop some more hints if ppl are keen

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Kadath

I'm pleased, one to add to the repository. You say he is not mentally unhinged or suicidal before turning on the radio, so is he mentally unhinged after? Is he suicidal after? They may seem dumb questions, but assumptions are the enemy in these games. Does the song remind him of a specific event in the past that causes him to be suicidal? I'm keen.
And I kind of want to ask a cheating question: is the solution some sort of joke, wherein he hears The Byrds Turn, Turn, Turn and is forced to comply or something?

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cliche

Kadath:
He is suicidal afterwards - he deliberately swerves his car off the cliff
As for the song reminding him of something in the past - yes, you could say it does
And the solution is no joke!

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wlcm

Shouldn't he just give the guy with 3 loaves 3 gold and the guy with 5 loaves 5 gold? there was no math to go with it, but it just seems to make sense. Also you can't split one gold coin anyways.

he should have said 3, in reference to the number of letters to spell the number that the doorman said.

sorry i myself don't know of any riddles to share

Kadath

So was the song playing when a loved one died? Or did he perhaps make a pact with himself that if he ever hears that song again, he'll kill himself? Maybe it's a song his partner made money off of and he didn't?

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TIO

wlcm, read the first response to the loaves question. Each man ate 2 2/3 loaves, so the one with 3 loaves gave away 1/3 of a loaf, and the other gave away 2 1/3 loaves.

Cliche, that's a great riddle! I haven't heard it before, and I must admit, I'm stumped!

Does he know the DJ or programming manager from the radio station? Is the song being played some kind of signal to him?

*brain wave*
Is the question set near the end of some war or another? Does the enemy's national athem on the radio signal this man's nation's defeat in the war?

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TIO

This makes me sure that the war answer is right!

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Xell101

Cut off my head and I shall still be found
Though somewhat shorter, still the same in sound.
Cut off my tail, I still remain the same
Bereft of both, I will not change my name
Not even if you deprive of my middle
Now lest as me you would considered be
I pray you quickly to find out this riddle

I still say it was the Soviets

cliche

Kadath:
nothing special about which song is playing
TIO:
yes, he does know the station manager and the DJ - but no, the song is not a signal - and no, the war isn't relevant

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smarm

There is a tape in the car "radio" that he had previously given to his lover. He knows his wife drove the car last and because of loving words he spoke at the beginning of the tape (right before the music he just heard) he knows his wife knows about his affair?!?

Toss in some stuff about losing all his money in the divorce...

I dunno, could happen.