squeeeb

this is one of those things you learn and it's cool, and i forgot i knew it until a few days ago, and so i'm sharing....


lets say you are driving down the highway and you want to flip another car over as it is moving. here's how.

in this example, you are coming up on the target's driver's side.

drive up to the car.

put your passenger's side front wheel panel against his driver's side rear wheel panel turn your wheels into him, pushing the ass end of his car sideways.

he will flip and roll.

it's that easy. it is a bit knacky, where you place your wheel depends on how long the target's car is, but you eventually get a feel for it.

enjoy.

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Plan9

... or just let the A-Team shoot at you.

Car flips every time.

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squeeeb

car flips and blows up. AND no one gets injured or dies. THAT is talent.

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Plan9

...and all from a Ruger Mini-14.

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I'd imagine this tactic works when you've got a car of sufficient size... like an old Buick.

Might be a bad idea to try this on a Dodge Ram when you're drivin' a Honda Civic.

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Walt

I think you're describing a PIT (Precision Intervention Technique) maneuver. Its part of the advanced drivers training that police/cool guys get. It doesn't cause a car to flip, it just pushes the cars back end out, causing them to 180 off of the road.


Ideally, two cars would work together. The driver initiating the PIT (Car 1) would maintain contact with the bad guys car until it catches in a ditch/barrier. A trail vehicle (Car 2) would then hit the front of the bad guys car to effectively pin them in. The passengers of Cars 1&2 would then dismount and shoot the shit out of/arrest the bad guys.

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Punk.of.Ages

What kind of car do you drive, squeeeb?

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Plan9

Yeah, actually *rolling* a car is more Hollywood than reality. The idea is to skid them into something... kinda like a hockey block.

Correct me if I'm wrong. My training limits were material covered in Iraq / Afghanistan by a battalion that scolded us for using our bumpers in convoys.

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I would never attempt something like this in my personally owned vehicle. It's more likely to hurt me than the bad guy.

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Xerxys

Rolling a car involves the hand brake. Very very dangerous.

Walt

Exactly. Ideally, you would push them into a ditch or concrete barrier-type-deal. Then they're not going anywhere and the bad guys cant open their doors to return fire/run. The shooters/arresting officers in Cars 1&2 would be on them in seconds.

If there is no barrier to push the car in to, the drivers of Cars 1&2 stay on the gas to A) give the shooters a couple of seconds to deploy B) keep the target car immobilized until another vehicle can maneuver around and position itself on the target cars ass, totally blocking it in.

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squeeeb

i drive a piece of shit bmw, i spray painted it myself. i take it off roading, because i can.

the size of your car doesn't matter, pretty much any car can do it.


i was taught it would flip the car, but that does sound a bit far fetched.

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Punk.of.Ages

Good. Seems pretty distinguishable. I'll definitely know if you're behind me...

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Plan9

I reckon you'd want the strike surface to match up... and having something with enough weight and horsepower to manhandle the opposing vehicle would make sense... you're attempting to overpower a vehicle and ram it... basic physics comes into play and bigger is better for this scenario.

EX: A police cruiser wouldn't be able to tap the rear quarterpanel of my buddy's Suburban... the bumper is like 4 feet off the ground... he'd have to ram into the Mickey Thompson Super Swampers due to the height difference. Humvees vs. Toyota minivans or Hi-Lux pickups is a good "real world" match.

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Psycho Dad

I'll practice this tomorrow and report back if I am as drunk in the morning as I am now.

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squeeeb

bigger is ALWAYS better, but you aren't ramming it, you are pushing it. yes, the car has to be somewhat powerful, so you probably can't do it to a ford F150 with your smart car, but a small car can do it to a large truck.

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Ram, push... whatever. You make constant contact after an initial strike and it's probably not subtle at first.

Police cruisers are probably picked because they are useful for this type of technique, among many other solid reasons.

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Cheater

Another method is to approach from behind. Start pushing the vehicle and then steer in the direction you want that vehicle to go. The lead driver will fight to keep his car straight while you are pushing the rear to to the side. When the lead driver is intent on keeping his vehicle straight, hit your breaks and watch him turn sharply off the road. (less chance of exchanging paint this way)

CinnamonGirl

Well, now...that's good to know.

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underdun

A car would not roll, its to low to the groud. I suv or light pickup truck could roll but not likely.

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The_Jazz

Exactly. If you have a top-heavy vehicle, the chances of it rolling as the driver overcorrects increases, but it's still not automatic. A good enough driver might be able to even keep a semi upright.

If the car is a manual transmission, it will most likely stall out in this manuver, which doesn't accomplish the exact same thing, but it does put the other guy at a disadvantage. At least all the manuals that I did this with last week did, but maybe that's because they were Mazdas.

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Psycho Dad

This did not work out worth a damn. All it did was fuck up my car and make me late for work.

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The_Jazz

Well that's what you get for listening to us!

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dlish

the number of suv's and 4wds' ive seen flipped in the last 2.5 years is phenomenal.

usually speed is to blame, but usually the gutter plays a large role in getting the car sideways and airborne. they always look nice n pretty in the flower bush

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Jinn

The skidpad g's of my car are such that I don't think it would be possible to "flip" (I think what is meant here is "roll") without tremendous force, particularly in the vertical. I might do one or two 180s but certainly not flip.

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elsesomebody

You guys are right that its unlikely to flip, but only if it stays on pavement. If a car goes off the road sideways there is a greater chance it will flip due to the tires digging in to the dirt/grass, going down an embankment, etc.

Psycho Dad

Doh! There is my problem. I'll try again tomorrow...

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telekinetic

Yeah, cars on pavement pretty much don't flip. They need something to 'stick' the tires to cause rolls/flips/cartwheels/etc. A highspeed blowout/debead is almost enough to make you cartwheel (I've seen it), and ramping up a K-rail sideways is a good way to roll or flip also (seen that, too)

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