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DaveOrion · 04-04-2007, 10:10 PM

Alabama 1901 , Preamble . We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
Alaska 1956, Preamble . We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble . We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
Colorado 1876, Preamble . We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble . Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble . We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble . We , the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance .. Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil l, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors
Indiana 1851, Preamble . We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ! establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble . We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...
Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble . We...the people of Massachusetts , acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .. In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ..
Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble . We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble . We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .. Establish this Constitution .
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the
blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble . We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble . We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V . Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble . We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble . We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty
New York 1846, Preamble . We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble . We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889, Preamble . We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble . We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble . Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty .... establish this .
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble . We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble . We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble . We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble . Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble . Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble . We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble . Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties . establish this Constitution.

shakran · 04-04-2007, 11:06 PM

heyyyyyyy I think you're making a point here

Pathetic isn't it? Separation of church and state indeed.

I will say Massachusetts's is funny. "great legislator of the universe." It's like something Douglas Adams would write

vanblah · 04-05-2007, 06:37 AM

Um ... this should go in humor.

Since I live in Tennessee at the moment I thought I'd post the CURRENT constitution preamble:

Quote:

Whereas, The people of the territory of the United States south of the river
Ohio, having the right of admission into the general government as a member
state thereof, consistent with the Constitution of the United States, and the act
of cession of the state of North Carolina, recognizing the ordinance for the govern-
ment of the territory—of the United States north west of the Ohio River, by
their delegates and representatives in convention assembled, did on the sixth
day of February, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety-
six, ordain and establish a Constitution, or form of government, and mutually
agreed with each other to form themselves into a free and independent state by
the name of the state of Tennessee, and,
Whereas, The General Assembly of the said state of Tennessee, (pursuant to
the third section of the tenth article of the Constitution,) by an act passed on
the Twenty-seventh day of November, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and thirty-three, entitled, “An Act” to provide for the calling of a
convention, passed in obedience to the declared will of the voters of the state, as
expressed at the general election of August, in the year of our Lord one thou-
sand eight hundred and thirty-three, did authorize and provide for the election
by the people of delegates and representatives, to meet at Nashville, in Davidson
County, on the third Monday in May, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight
hundred and thirty-four, for the purpose of revising and amending, or chang-
ing, the Constitution, and said convention did accordingly meet and form a
Constitution which was submitted to the people, and was ratified by them, on
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Page 2
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE
529
the first Friday in March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and thirty-five, and,
Whereas, The General Assembly of said state of Tennessee, under and in
virtue of the first section of the first article of the Declaration of Rights, con-
tained in and forming a part of the existing Constitution of the state, by an act
passed on the fifteenth day of November, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and sixty-nine, did provide for the calling of a convention by the
people of the state, to meet at Nashville, on the second Monday in January, in
the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventy, and for the elec-
tion of delegates for the purpose of amending or revising the present Constitu-
tion, or forming and making a new Constitution; and,
Whereas, The people of the state, in the mode provided by said Act, have
called said convention, and elected delegates to represent them therein; now
therefore,
We, the delegates and representatives of the people of the state of Tennessee,
duly elected, and in convention assembled, in pursuance of said act of Assem-
bly have ordained and established the following Constitution and form of gov-
ernment for this state, which we recommend to the people of Tennessee for
their ratification: That is to say

Now, in the declaration of rights, Article I, it does say:

Quote:

Section 3. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship
Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man
can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to
maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in
any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that
no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or
mode of worship.

(Bolding is mine)

Very interesting that last part:

no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.

I'll remember that the next time I'm trying to get somewhere on Sunday and the streets have been blocked--by city police--so that church goers can park.

Link: http://http.state.tn.us/sos/bluebook...46-tnconst.pdf

shakran · 04-05-2007, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanblah

Um ... this should go in humor.

Since I live in Tennessee at the moment I thought I'd post the CURRENT constitution preamble:

If you'll notice, Tenn's entry is not listed as a preamble.

The fact that the constitution acknowledges "almighty god" in the first place is in direct opposition to the concept of athiesm. A properly worded religious clause would say something along the lines of "complete religious freedom to worship or not according to one's own beliefs"

vanblah · 04-05-2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakran

If you'll notice, Tenn's entry is not listed as a preamble.

The fact that the constitution acknowledges "almighty god" in the first place is in direct opposition to the concept of athiesm. A properly worded religious clause would say something along the lines of "complete religious freedom to worship or not according to one's own beliefs"

You're right ... I didn't notice that the preamble part was missing. I was just going by the thread title. Why was the TN constitution included in this thread?

I agree with you that ALL U.S. constitutions should be re-written to exclude acknowledgment of ANY deity. In other words, you have a right to worship anything you want ... or not. As you said.

The TN constitution does acknowledge Almighty God; but it goes on to say that no one can actually MAKE you worship.

shakran · 04-05-2007, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanblah

You're right ... I didn't notice that the preamble part was missing. I was just going by the thread title. Why was the TN constitution included in this thread?

I agree with you that ALL U.S. constitutions should be re-written to exclude acknowledgment of ANY deity. In other words, you have a right to worship anything you want ... or not. As you said.

The TN constitution does acknowledge Almighty God; but it goes on to say that no one can actually MAKE you worship.

I think it's more of a problem with the OP's choice of a title, than with the premise of what he's saying.

The_Jazz · 04-05-2007, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakran

I think it's more of a problem with the OP's choice of a title, than with the premise of what he's saying.

Personally, I think that it's more of a problem with what counts as a preamble and what doesn't.

Willravel · 04-05-2007, 11:12 AM

Oh my god....can we please end this stupid anti-communist propaganda finally?! Everyone knows that suddenly god appeared on everything, money, preambles, flag salutes, because we were fighting the godless communists during the cold war. The cold war has been over since before Duck Tails was on, people. It's done, it's over. We have new wars with new people, and new propaganda to worry about.

God isn't the president. God doesn't work for the US government. Not a lot of us trust in god. It's time for people to grow up and allow god to be worshiped in church and in the home freely, but not be endorsed by government. We are not a theocracy, we are a nation of a thousand faiths and even a lack of faith. To be fair to all, let's get on with it.

kurty[B] · 04-05-2007, 11:19 AM

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Colorado 1876, Preamble . We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Supreme Ruler of the Universe, awesome! I can interpret that however I want! Douglas Adams it is.

Willravel · 04-05-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kurty[B]

Supreme Ruler of the Universe, awesome! I can interpret that however I want! Douglas Adams it is.

My first thought ran to Halx.

kurty[B] · 04-05-2007, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

My first thought ran to Halx.

Even better!

Bill O'Rights · 04-05-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

My first thought ran to Halx.

Kiss ass.

Willravel · 04-05-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Kiss ass.

Don't you know it. haahaha....

/threadjack

DaveOrion · 04-05-2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Oh my god....can we please end this stupid anti-communist propaganda finally?! Everyone knows that suddenly god appeared on everything, money, preambles, flag salutes, because we were fighting the godless communists during the cold war. The cold war has been over since before Duck Tails was on, people. It's done, it's over. We have new wars with new people, and new propaganda to worry about.

God isn't the president. God doesn't work for the US government. Not a lot of us trust in god. It's time for people to grow up and allow god to be worshiped in church and in the home freely, but not be endorsed by government. We are not a theocracy, we are a nation of a thousand faiths and even a lack of faith. To be fair to all, let's get on with it.

I think you may have your centuries mixed up. Check the dates on the preambles, that was long before we were fighting the 'commies'. The motto "In God We Trust" first appeared on a coin during the Civil War. You're not even close on this one.

Quote:

The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...we-trust.shtml

Willravel · 04-05-2007, 06:41 PM

I was taking about the 'Under God' part of the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust", first used on paper money in 1957 when it appeared on the one-dollar bill. Communism was officially atheist, and it was very useful for a predominately Christian nation to be rallied behind the war cry of god. It was a tool of propaganda.

...but it's funny you should bring up the coin thing. Do you know why in god we trust appeared on coins? During the Civil War, religious sentiment was at an all time high and was used consistently by both religious and governmental leaders (both North AND South) as a rallying point for support of the war (sound familiar?). Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, believed the times to be 'heathen', and he, a powerful religious leader, sent a letter to the Secretary of Treasury at the time, Salmon Chase, a letter strongly requesting a 'god' based theme. Luckily for the Reverend and unluckily for the separation of church and state, Salmon Chase was a deeply religious man who bought into the propaganda. This was back in 1864...what goes around comes around.

DaveOrion · 04-05-2007, 08:39 PM

I see, but you said "that suddenly god appeared on everything, money, preambles, flag salutes,...." All the preambles were written well before 1957, with the exception of Hawaii & Alaska. 'In God We Trust' has been on coins since the civil war, so that's nothing new to the monetary system.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

Willravel · 04-05-2007, 08:47 PM

Dave, you're a generally religious guy, right? I was once pretty religious myself. I can imagine myself at 17, neck deep in being a good Christian pastor's son. In that mind, I can imagine reading that God's name was used as propaganda by religious and political leaders in order to rally support for a war. It was used to spread hatred of the enemy. That'd make me sick. I'm an agnostic atheist now, but it still makes me sick. How does it make you feel, as a Christian?

snowy · 04-05-2007, 09:31 PM

Oregon has since revised its preamble. It now reads, "We the people of the State of Oregon to the end that Justice be established, order maintained, and liberty perpetuated, do ordain this Constitution."

Washington State's, however, hasn't changed.

DaveOrion · 04-06-2007, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Dave, you're a generally religious guy, right? I was once pretty religious myself. I can imagine myself at 17, neck deep in being a good Christian pastor's son. In that mind, I can imagine reading that God's name was used as propaganda by religious and political leaders in order to rally support for a war. It was used to spread hatred of the enemy. That'd make me sick. I'm an agnostic atheist now, but it still makes me sick. How does it make you feel, as a Christian?

Religious??? No.....Spiritual, Yes. I do find the use of God, His Name, or anything relating to Him, to promote war, death, or destruction in any fashion, to be morally reprehensible. Then again, I dont equate militarism, with patriotism, or patriotism with religious zeal. God wont smite your enemies, but a nuke does a great job. My Point??? Who the fuck knows???

04-04-2007, 10:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	Know Your State Constitution Preamble.... Alabama 1901 , Preamble . We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution. Alaska 1956, Preamble . We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land. Arizona 1911, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution... Arkansas 1874, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government... California 1879, Preamble . We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Colorado 1876, Preamble . We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe. Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy. Delaware 1897, Preamble . Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences. Florida 1885, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution... Georgia 1777, Preamble . We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution... Hawaii 1959, Preamble . We , the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance .. Establish this Constitution. Idaho 1889, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings. Illinois 1870, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil l, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors Indiana 1851, Preamble . We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government. Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ! establish this Constitution. Kansas 1859, Preamble . We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution. Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties... Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy. Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... And imploring His aid and direction. Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty... Massachusetts 1780, Preamble . We...the people of Massachusetts , acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .. In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction .. Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution. Minnesota, 1857, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings: Mississippi 1890, Preamble . We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work. Missouri 1845, Preamble . We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .. Establish this Constitution . Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution .. Nebraska 1875, Preamble . We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution. Nevada 1864, Preamble . We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V . Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. New Jersey 1844, Preamble . We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors. New Mexico 1911, Preamble . We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty New York 1846, Preamble . We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings. North Carolina 1868, Preamble . We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those North Dakota 1889, Preamble . We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain... Ohio 1852, Preamble . We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common Oklahoma 1907, Preamble . Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty .... establish this . Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences.. Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing South Carolina, 1778, Preamble . We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution. South Dakota 1889, Preamble . We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience... Texas 1845, Preamble . We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God. Utah 1896, Preamble . Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution. Vermont 1777, Preamble . Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other Washington 1889, Preamble . We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution West Virginia 1872, Preamble . Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God . Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility Wyoming 1890, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties . establish this Constitution. __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

04-05-2007, 08:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	I see, but you said "that suddenly god appeared on everything, money, preambles, flag salutes,...." All the preambles were written well before 1957, with the exception of Hawaii & Alaska. 'In God We Trust' has been on coins since the civil war, so that's nothing new to the monetary system. The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908. __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

04-05-2007, 09:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Oregon has since revised its preamble. It now reads, "We the people of the State of Oregon to the end that Justice be established, order maintained, and liberty perpetuated, do ordain this Constitution." Washington State's, however, hasn't changed. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

04-04-2007, 11:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	heyyyyyyy I think you're making a point here Pathetic isn't it? Separation of church and state indeed. I will say Massachusetts's is funny. "great legislator of the universe." It's like something Douglas Adams would write

04-05-2007, 11:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Oh my god....can we please end this stupid anti-communist propaganda finally?! Everyone knows that suddenly god appeared on everything, money, preambles, flag salutes, because we were fighting the godless communists during the cold war. The cold war has been over since before Duck Tails was on, people. It's done, it's over. We have new wars with new people, and new propaganda to worry about. God isn't the president. God doesn't work for the US government. Not a lot of us trust in god. It's time for people to grow up and allow god to be worshiped in church and in the home freely, but not be endorsed by government. We are not a theocracy, we are a nation of a thousand faiths and even a lack of faith. To be fair to all, let's get on with it.

04-05-2007, 06:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I was taking about the 'Under God' part of the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust", first used on paper money in 1957 when it appeared on the one-dollar bill. Communism was officially atheist, and it was very useful for a predominately Christian nation to be rallied behind the war cry of god. It was a tool of propaganda. ...but it's funny you should bring up the coin thing. Do you know why in god we trust appeared on coins? During the Civil War, religious sentiment was at an all time high and was used consistently by both religious and governmental leaders (both North AND South) as a rallying point for support of the war (sound familiar?). Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, believed the times to be 'heathen', and he, a powerful religious leader, sent a letter to the Secretary of Treasury at the time, Salmon Chase, a letter strongly requesting a 'god' based theme. Luckily for the Reverend and unluckily for the separation of church and state, Salmon Chase was a deeply religious man who bought into the propaganda. This was back in 1864...what goes around comes around.

04-05-2007, 08:47 PM	#17 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Dave, you're a generally religious guy, right? I was once pretty religious myself. I can imagine myself at 17, neck deep in being a good Christian pastor's son. In that mind, I can imagine reading that God's name was used as propaganda by religious and political leaders in order to rally support for a war. It was used to spread hatred of the enemy. That'd make me sick. I'm an agnostic atheist now, but it still makes me sick. How does it make you feel, as a Christian?