Wyckd

i say it stunk, nintendo is goign down the drain, like SEGA did...

actually,, nintendo might just be saved by theyre gameboy.... the mini super nintendo as i like to callit. super nintendo was the best, if nintendo keeps up with the gameboy.. they just might stay in buisness.

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HarmlessRabbit

I loved the 50-level dungeon too, great fun. The wind temple with the great puzzles using the statues was my favorite dungeon.

Wind Waker was awesome, really enjoyed it. I agree that it was quite easy, but that didn't detract from the game for me.

The gamecube overall has been an excellent purchase. Super Mario Sunshine, Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2, Pikmin, Super Metroid, Tony Hawk 4, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, and Zelda have all been really excellent games. Of those, I think only Tony Hawk was a non-exclusive. I don't get the console wars myself. If you're a serious gamer, get every console that has good games, what's the big deal?

Wyckd

those titles stink.. starfox , and metroid, and mario all suck on gamecube. wth has nintendo done with them. metroid should be left as a sidescroller... mario ... was just lame.. they made him look retarded too. the ymade him GROW!!!...
star fox became an adventure game.. i find that to be lame...

look at ps2, when they released, or gonna release the new CONTRA game. they kept it completely classic, and kept it as a side scrolle, the way it should be. i think thats what many games want. oldschool titles, with the same look and gameplay, with a new graphic engine and gameplay. not a complete redo of the game. i for one, personally hate nintendo now.

sorry for off topic again, but i ahd to address and reply to him.

Zorgan

Sega went down the drain because of their hardware failures, Sega games have consitently done very well and been innovative and fun. The Saturn and the Dreamcast killed Sega's hardware chances, not Sega's game design. I'm just glad they got out of hardware and went purely software, becuase they make awesome games (Shenmue, Jet Grind/Set Radio, Sonic, Panzer Dragoon, etc.)

As far as "actually,, nintendo might just be saved by theyre gameboy.... the mini super nintendo as i like to callit. super nintendo was the best, if nintendo keeps up with the gameboy.. they just might stay in buisness. ["..........they have practically no competition. Anyone who tries to compete in the handheld market not only gets crushed, but incinerated and then vaporized. Nintendo makes so much money off the GBA and GBA titles like Pokemon it's ungodly. Nintendo could lose this round of the Console wars entirely, and the next few too, and it'd still be rolling in money if they keep up their handheld success. The smart don't even try to compete there, even Sony has released games for the GBA. Can't beat em, might as well join em.

Derailing aside, Windwaker was great. Yes, it was way too short, yes it was way too easy ("died" once while I was on the phone, but of course I had 3 fairies and a bottle of that soup) but it was fun. I didn't care about most of the side-quests though... there was no Big Goron Sword to get, no special items aside from the Hero Mask to acquire that made a difference in gameplay. The boss fights though, were dead on. Massive bosses that you have to think somewhat to beat, though sometimes (Earth Temple, I'm looking at you) beating the boss was more of beating the L-Targeting than anything else. Plus, the last fight was really fun. High points? Getting up to 1000 hits on Orca, the 50 level dungeon in Outset, and the final battle. Low points? Characters I didn't care about at all, sailing being kinda repetitive, and too short. All in all, please sir Miyamoto, can I have some more?

Just thought I'd toss in my two cents.

juanvaldes

Here ya go, maybe this time you can stay on topic....

Quadraton

Woah! Deja vu. I was starting to wonder if something was being changed in the Matrix?

Anyway, back on topic. I honestly think Nintendo is holding strong, even if it is most likely only in 3rd place. This is, after all, a multi-billion dollar company we're talking about. They won't fade out of existence just like that.

Plus, you really can't compare the two companies, because neither are/were the same. Nintendo has never really had as many problems as Sega did, such as the upper management reorgs, buy-outs, and constant attempts at releasing new consoles every other month to refresh interest. Yes, Nintendo released several versions of the GameBoy, but only because they knew people would buy it, not because they were desperately trying to get people to regain interest in their systems.

Plus, unlike Sega, they have many strong game developers backing them, so they aren't the only ones to develop for their systems (how many games did the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast have again?). They also have more that one title holding them above the water (i.e. Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc...), so they've got games people will play.

No, I don't think Nintendo is in as much trouble as people make it out to be. Even in third place, they can still make a hefty profit margin.

edit (Apr20): fixed some stupid spelling mistakes, and remembered the multiple Gameboys being released

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Ganguro

After purchasing my gamecube i got a wee bit of buyers remorse. I know NOA is screwing around with their liscencies and they are charging waay higher than Sony and MS to make games for their consoles. Nintendo of America and ESPECIALLY Nintendo of Japan has always had some control issues. I think it stems from the fact that they have been in the game for 100 years, and it's some of that good old fashioned japanese pride my grandpa used to tell me about. The real reason they are hurting right now is the mindset of their consumers has changed. I've touched on this before in other threads.. but Today's gamers are very content with buying crap. Even if they don't keep the game.. those units are getting sold. Thefore have to try as hard to make a game good, they just have to hype it up. DOA BeachVolleyball?, State of Emergency?, do any of those ring a bell? Sure nintendo does have some crap games.. but at least they are trying to be innovative. The problem is their corporate office is stubborn.. and while i love them for being stern, if they dont learn to roll with the punches they are going to get left behind or become a 3rd party software vendor because this isn 1985 and they arent the biggest dog in the yard anymore. That is a VERY embarassing position to have to take because you almost ran yourself into the ground by not changing with the times. I hope they make it through this.. and I hope Sony and Microsoft show me something like a sense of compassion for their products in the future.. Games should never be a graphics/ hardware race like it is now.

charlesesl

To sum nintendo up in one word "Childish"

I know that nintendo s got some good adult (not childish) games, but public openion is not gonna change.
One the other side u have xbox and ps2
U see the compition

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Omar12

I agree on the topic.

People are not buying third-party games for the Gamecube, so companies are stopping making games for the the Cube. The best games on the Gamecube are the ones released by Nintendo. If I buy today a Gamecube, is to play Nintendo titles.

XBox and PS2 have a very good "strategy" when it comes to online gaming, so people that want to play online on consoles, they will use one of the two.

But still, I think Nintendo is still strong. I think if they release another console, they might go the same way as Sega did.

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The GBA completely dominates the handheld world and sells more units than any console on the market, so I would have to say no on this one. The GBA is basically a handheld SNES, and that was a classic.

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juanvaldes

We have a winner!!

Yes, public perception is that anything Nintendo = Childish, and no self respecing teen wants to have a childs toy. They want gore and boobies.

WhoaitsZ

Here is the deal:

Nintendo took over the markey toward the end of the 80s because people got hooked up Mario and Zelda. A lot of other games, also, but the exclusive Zelda and mario franchise went strong...

the SMS was great but it had poor, poor, POOR advertisement and it was 'cool' to have a "Nintendo".

the problem is..... We who bought the Nintendo to bounce Mario around are adults now. and thee Playstation started going more adult..... now look, the ps2 is like _ths system). (and the xbox) the gamecube is great but they have got to start some new games and SOON.

i almost gaurantee if they'd make grittier games they'd pick up sales some..

and never forget the n64........ face it, the system is nice but it was horrible in it's on right:

1) the controller reeked

2) cartridge games are too fucking expensive

3) kiddy games only (besides, what 10 titles?)

Sega fell cuz instead of pushing games they pushed medicore systems until they finally got it right (DC) when they had lost so much dough.

think: they had
SMS, Sega-Genises, 293929 ad on systems, then the Sega Saturn which i love but d a m n it's bugier than Micrsoft. i don't know how many times i've lost data on the SS just because it got bored or something. the dreamcast was great but they slit their throat years ago and by the time they got to the DC they ran out of blood.

Nintendo can hold on if they stick with Quality and quit doing stupid shit, like making the GBA almost impossible to see.............

PS: all apologies if some of the post looks yucky. i am very very tired.

PPS: Metroid Prime is possible the best 3d action game ever.

Zorgan

Nintendo's going nowhere. They're still pulling in way, way, way too much money to die anytime soon. Pokemon's latest iterations sold over 2 million units in just the first day... I don't even want to know what it's up to total. And this is what, Silver and Ruby? There was Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, plus yellow... stamp Pokemon on anything and it's a lisence to print money. GameBoy Advance is the Nintendo Cashcow, and will keep them afloat for a long time coming.

Nintendo's "kiddie" reputation is something I've brought up before in other places, but it's not really a "kiddie" company so much so as Family-Friendly. Nintendo themselves doesn't like to really offend people, but, they've proven good gameplay doesn't need to be (Metriod Prime, Ocarina of Time, the much underappreciated Majora's Mask, Mario 64 - the king of any 3d platform game ever made, just to name the post N-64 titles). Sometimes, Nintendo lets someone come out with something that's very not kiddie style (Conker's Bad Fur Day anyone?). Sega had poor marketing and hardware decisions plaguing them. The Sega CD, 32x, CD-X (Sega CD + 32x games), Nomad, Game Gear (Woulda been great... had it not eaten through batteries like the apocalypse was tomorrow), and to a limited degree, the Saturn, were poorly thought out. I personally love my Saturn, but the design wasn't very developer friendly. Plus, it didn't help that when Sony came in, they came in with the mindset of taking over and went absolutely nuts. Buying every exclusive right, and exclusives sales deals with retail chains hurt Sega bad. Sega's marketing plan wasn't too effective either, and the company only really had one in-house lisence to rely on (Sonic) compared to Nintendo's myriad lines (Mario, Wario, Yoshi, Zelda, Metriod). The Saturn had awesome games in the new Shining games, NiGHTS into Dreams, and Panzer Dragoon, but they were all new and didn't have the pure pulling power of the Cube's biggest sellers.

The Gamecube could die tomorrow, and it'd only be a minor setback for Nintendo. They'd sit back, rely on the GBA to pull them through (Which it could) till the next round of systems, and then they'd jump right back in. They haven't even begun to fall yet, let alone being out for the count. And even if they do drop out of the hardware market, hey, long as I get my Zelda and Mario fix somewhere, I'll be happy.

(And for those wondering, I'm not a Nintendo fanboy. I've always bought Nintendo products for each generation last. With the exception of the Gameboys... cause those pwn. And yes, I am the kind of loser who owns every major system since the Genesis/SNES days... some people are into cars, some into stereos, I'm into videogames)

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juanvaldes

I hape you remedied this

pazza

good ive always hated nintendo

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Ganguro

I wholeheartedly agree with Zorgan's views and would like to have his baby

I need to hire you as my PR person to say what I mean but in a legible manner

Quadraton

I don't suppose you care to elaborate?

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WhoaitsZ

Zorgan, goodgoodgood post.

bingle

I personally really like Nintendo. However, I recently went to a talk on the recent sales figures in the games industry, (by a woman from Sega, in fact!) and it's looking pretty bleak in the console wars, at least.

I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere, they're too big and they're smart enough that they didn't stake everything on their console. But Sony is seriously winning the console wars, they have the majority of the market share and MS and Nintendo are splitting the difference. Many people believe Sony will continue their dominance in the next round, too, with the PS3, which could really do serious damage to Nintendo. Also, GTAIII was a huge boost to Sony, of course. a single hit like that would certainly turn Nintendo's fortunes around.

As a Nintendo fan, I hope they pull out, soon. I really like the bouncy, colorful "childish" feel of lots of Nintendo games... I have a PC to play dark gritty stuff on, but for colorful platformers, I want a console. Plus, Miyamoto is a genius, and a lot of Nintendo's game designs are original and innovative.

To do so, I think they need two things: First, the Sega data revealed that most people think a GameCube costs the same as the other consoles... So while Nintendo is trying to fight a price war, they're not getting the message out that their console is a lot cheaper than anyone else's. I think this would do a lot for sales.

The other has been mentioned a lot on here, which is getting rid of the "childish" image they've got. Personally, I'm not sure about this one, Nintendo's reputation was built on their code for video games, which ensured that they were family-friendly. Changing that image might do more harm than good if videogame-violence debates kick up once more. It would be like Disney shedding their image and producing gore-fests. They might sell well with a particular market, but ultimately they would do Disney's fluffy image more harm than the revenue could fix. However, Nintendo has already broken that barrier, since they have things like Resident Evil and Soul Calibur 2, but they obviously haven't gotten that message out. Really, they're in the worst position possible: They can't claim to be fluffy and free of sharp edges, but no one knows their dark and bloody side.

As a funny side note, the number-one difference GameCube owners gave to Sega that their platform was different from the other consoles, was the cute little discs that the games came on.

Bingle

Ganguro

Ah i forgot that is another reason why the gamecube is designed like it is.. Look at where it was designed, developed and released from. JAPAN! The japanese dont like the Xbox because it is big and bulky (well that ans the whole "Project :Midway" thing) The ps2 is only doing good over there because it has a dominance of market, supurb marketing (i have 700mb's of commericals for ps2 games that we got her that will NEVER come out on a stateside broadcast), and the previously exclusive final fantasy series..(perhaps DDR too) The gamecube in all it's small cuteness, was designed by a japanese mind for the japanese and overall appeal to the world. It's software is designed that way too. plus.. as of this date.. it's uncrackable. That's crazy when you think about how easy it is to crack almost anything these days. A major console system has been out for over a year and hasn't been cracked yet? They must be doing something right.

Hawkspy

I love it when people say Nintendo is to kiddie cause then you get a big glimpse of their personality.

First of all, they're closed minded, because they judge a game on presesntation before looking at anything else.
They want to present themselves as a tough grown up guy by being obsessed with gore and tits, and dont care about just fun nice stuff every once and a while.
They dont use good labeling, because other people like these games than kids.
They're dumb, because Metroid isn't kiddie (or all the Resident Evil games, or Eternal Darkness.)
They're opinion Nazis, because they think Nintendo sucks because of their own opinions (usually, but not always. some people use sales #s etc.) and everyone else has to think that.

Thank you guys for opneing yourselves up so readily to all of us; its so great to know who you're dealing with.

Hawkspy

BTW im not a fanboy i dont even own a gamecube i just am trying to open up some people's minds

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Better Technologies are coming out, its just like everything else, as new things are invented, old things are left behind.

pazza

by always i mean since after i started disliking them btw

I played the SNES and it was good, real good. Then the n64 came out and i thought hey this could be good like the snes, so i got one. I waited for any games from the SNES to be updated but that never happened. they bring out games like turok and other crap games targetting younger audiences and pass over the older demographic. They bring out a new hand held system every year and lately for the fullness of a game, force you to have both systems to connect them together.

So basically i dont like them cause they try to screw people out of their money and most of the games are shite

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Porkchop

Nintendo always seem to have been for true gamers. Although they are to make money they seem less concerned about the buying public maybe like sega were. I have a Gamecube and wouldnt want other hardware just yet nin have many great titles just wish they looked after there supporters a bit more here in Europe is worse than you get it.

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Thank you pazza, I will never go with a Nintendo over anything SEGA. SEGA Genesis was the first system I ever had and I will always be faithful!

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Yeah, I really agree that the N64 was a flop, and thankfully, I was able to see that before I actually bought one. However, I find that Nintendo has really made another about face with the GameCube. They decided to go with a media that wasn't expensive, and did limit the developer (at least too badly), and they're starting to come out with all their big name titles. Something they generally neglected to do for the N64.

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Hycdubg

Nintendo lost it when they refused to make more adult-oriented gaming and they lost their whole audience that made them successful in the mid eighties. Those of us who grew up on Nintendo wanted to see games that appealed to our now grown up tastes and they wanted to stick with Mario and Link. Had Nintendo done minute things like keep the blood in the first MK games and tried to get some actual licensing for first-rate games, they may have prevented Sony and Microsoft from ever entering the console gaming field.

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marduk6

Who carres about this old crap

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apparently you do since you dug up a 4 year old thread

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Hah, this guy (thread creator) is definitely not going to be doing any palm reading/crystal ball gazing in the near future.

hulk

It's interesting to note how swiftly a single console generation can change perceptions.

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Haha I was just going to say: who would make a thread like this with the success of the Wii?

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braisler

I think that Nintendo has successfully carved out an interesting niche market for themselves. Rather than building business around hyper-intense realistic game play, FPS and the like, they have stuck with games that are just fun to play. Games you can pick up and play for 30 minutes more casually and then move on.

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It's less of a niche market than the one Microsoft and Sony are aiming for, hence the runaway success.

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Lasereth

The Wii is doing well because it's $250, not because it's so much fun. Is it fun? Yes, but not any funner than past consoles. For example: if the PS3 and XBox 360 were $250, and the Wii was $600, would it still be doing as well as it did? Hell no, people would be claiming PS3 and 360 as the console winners and the Wii as an abyssmal failure.

I give props to Nintendo for seeing this in advance. Sony deserves flak for screwing up the PS3 price but the Wii is simply freaking overrated by a large margin, and this is after playing Wii sports, Zelda, and Red Steel.

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YaWhateva

I agree, after 6 months I could only name two games that I would buy if I had a Wii, Zelda and Paper Mario.

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CyCo PL

Trauma Center is awesome though... probably the most playtime I've put into a Wii game so far (and I have Zelda).