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Reese · 11-12-2005, 05:16 AM

"Microsoft has finally announced the list of the 213 Xbox 1 games playable on Xbox 360 at launch. A software emulator is required for each original Xbox game, which means you need an HDD for these games to work on Xbox 360. While it is expected that the list will grow in future via Live update, as of now it lacks first-party titles such as Project Gotham Racing, and other popular titles such as DOAU/X, Doom 3, Far Cry, KUF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Splinter Cell series, and the SW: Battlefront series."

Full list of games that can be emulated at launch.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/back...ygameslist.htm

Aurakles · 11-12-2005, 05:43 AM

No Splinter Cell.

That's strange. I figured Halo (I & II) would be there, but games like Blinx 2 and Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Choas Bleeds beat out Splinter Cell?

FngKestrel · 11-12-2005, 06:32 AM

That is officially the most crackheaded thing I've heard in a long time.

But then again, it sounds like the backwards compatibility is more of a cash generating trick than actual customer satisfaction.

stevie667 · 11-12-2005, 02:47 PM

Emulators you say?

I suppose they'll be costing more money too?

Prophecy · 11-12-2005, 08:07 PM

Is MS still claiming the emulators are made not for certain games but for certain types of games. I.E. if it can work on Game A by default it'll work on Game B and Game C?

Reese · 11-13-2005, 06:26 AM

Michael Brundage who is working on the backwards compatibility has a small webpage talking about the challenge of making it work here: http://www.qbrundage.com/michaelb/pu...s/xbox360.html

It looks like the reason they're using different emulators is to get better performance out of the games. I'm sure there are 1-2 emulators out there that run Halo and Ninja Gaiden perfectly but doesn't run Tony Hawk's pro skater right or vise-versa... I dunno..

Lasereth · 11-13-2005, 08:34 AM

I think the list is of the games that are easy to emulate. There's no excuse for games like Project Gotham Racing, Panzer Dragoon, and Splinter Cell to not be on there. I guess the more technologically demanding the game is, the harder it is to emulate. Or something like that!

-Lasereth

Buk · 11-13-2005, 02:36 PM

I don't see the big deal, just play your older xbox games on your original xbox. Why wouldn't you keep it in a closet or something for when you need it?

FngKestrel · 11-13-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasereth

I think the list is of the games that are easy to emulate. There's no excuse for games like Project Gotham Racing, Panzer Dragoon, and Splinter Cell to not be on there. I guess the more technologically demanding the game is, the harder it is to emulate. Or something like that!

-Lasereth

It's about ROI for these guys. They can make a killing emulating easy games instead of spending the time emulating more complex games.

Aurakles · 11-13-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Buk

I don't see the big deal, just play your older xbox games on your original xbox.

...well, that's because some people--many people--have sold or traded their Xbox for an Xbox 360.

t3m3st · 11-13-2005, 06:09 PM

It actually makes alot of sense. Programmers made games based specifically for the GeForce card in the Xbox, using card specific calls. Now the ATI card doesn't support those. So yeah, they made some emulators to let some games run. I was expecting a handful. 200+ is pretty awesome then.

Buk · 11-13-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by diskors

...well, that's because some people--many people--have sold or traded their Xbox for an Xbox 360.

I wouldn't say "many people" traded their xbox. Otherwise game stores wouldn't even be taking trade-ins they'd be flooded with used xboxes.

Gamestop is giving you $45 for a used xbox, which is $55 less than the deluxe xbox360 compared to the core system. So, don't trade in your xbox, buy a "core" system and now you can play your old games.

I remember how this was a HUGE deal to me when PS2 came out, and I've played ps1 games maybe 3 times total on my PS2. Backwards compatibility just isn't going to be that important 6 months from now when they are only making 360 games.

t3m3st · 11-13-2005, 07:29 PM

I still play PS1 games on PS2, and I know I'm not alone. Backward compatibility is a huge deal, and Microsoft knows it. I didn't buy into the XBox, mostly because of space constraints. I wouldn't want to have that huge XBox taking up space when the new little one is around. I'm looking forward to the Revolution because I might be able to put away the SNES and N64 and make room for the new guys. In the mean time, we still play Perfect Dark and Super Metroid, so those systems are going nowhere.

I think I'm going to get an XBox 360 with Perfect Dark, Ninja Gaiden, and Halo. I know I can get the latter 2 for cheap.

Aurakles · 11-13-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buk

Backwards compatibility just isn't going to be that important 6 months from now when they are only making 360 games.

I agree with that. I don't play any PS1 games on my PS2 either. If developers can deliver a stream of quality games for the Xbox 360, then, in 6 months, the backwards compatibility issue will become moot.

YaWhateva · 11-14-2005, 12:00 AM

backwards compatibility is a huge issue for many people, myself included. Like t3m3st, I still play my PS1 games a lot onthe PS2.

Wingless · 11-14-2005, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buk

Gamestop is giving you $45 for a used xbox, which is $55 less than the deluxe xbox360 compared to the core system. So, don't trade in your xbox, buy a "core" system and now you can play your old games.

Actually GameStop is giving $60 USD store credit for a used XBox plus if you're using it towards the 360 you get an extra 20% in value ($72 USD).

Also, if you buy the "core" system you can't play the old games since you need the hard drive to play XBox-1 games.

11-12-2005, 05:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	Backwards Compatibility on Xbox 360. "Microsoft has finally announced the list of the 213 Xbox 1 games playable on Xbox 360 at launch. A software emulator is required for each original Xbox game, which means you need an HDD for these games to work on Xbox 360. While it is expected that the list will grow in future via Live update, as of now it lacks first-party titles such as Project Gotham Racing, and other popular titles such as DOAU/X, Doom 3, Far Cry, KUF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Splinter Cell series, and the SW: Battlefront series." Full list of games that can be emulated at launch. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/back...ygameslist.htm __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

11-12-2005, 05:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Aurakles Crazy Location: behind open eyes	No Splinter Cell. That's strange. I figured Halo (I & II) would be there, but games like Blinx 2 and Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Choas Bleeds beat out Splinter Cell? __________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. Last edited by Aurakles; 11-12-2005 at 09:33 AM..

11-12-2005, 02:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
stevie667 Too Awesome for Aardvarks Location: Angloland	Emulators you say? I suppose they'll be costing more money too? __________________ Office hours have changed. Please call during office hours for more information.

11-12-2005, 08:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Is MS still claiming the emulators are made not for certain games but for certain types of games. I.E. if it can work on Game A by default it'll work on Game B and Game C? __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

11-13-2005, 06:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	Michael Brundage who is working on the backwards compatibility has a small webpage talking about the challenge of making it work here: http://www.qbrundage.com/michaelb/pu...s/xbox360.html It looks like the reason they're using different emulators is to get better performance out of the games. I'm sure there are 1-2 emulators out there that run Halo and Ninja Gaiden perfectly but doesn't run Tony Hawk's pro skater right or vise-versa... I dunno.. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

11-12-2005, 06:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	That is officially the most crackheaded thing I've heard in a long time. But then again, it sounds like the backwards compatibility is more of a cash generating trick than actual customer satisfaction.

11-13-2005, 08:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	I think the list is of the games that are easy to emulate. There's no excuse for games like Project Gotham Racing, Panzer Dragoon, and Splinter Cell to not be on there. I guess the more technologically demanding the game is, the harder it is to emulate. Or something like that! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

11-13-2005, 02:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Buk Addict Location: Seattle, WA	I don't see the big deal, just play your older xbox games on your original xbox. Why wouldn't you keep it in a closet or something for when you need it?

11-13-2005, 06:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
t3m3st Vroom! Location: Toronto	It actually makes alot of sense. Programmers made games based specifically for the GeForce card in the Xbox, using card specific calls. Now the ATI card doesn't support those. So yeah, they made some emulators to let some games run. I was expecting a handful. 200+ is pretty awesome then. __________________ I do it for the rare drops

11-13-2005, 07:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
t3m3st Vroom! Location: Toronto	I still play PS1 games on PS2, and I know I'm not alone. Backward compatibility is a huge deal, and Microsoft knows it. I didn't buy into the XBox, mostly because of space constraints. I wouldn't want to have that huge XBox taking up space when the new little one is around. I'm looking forward to the Revolution because I might be able to put away the SNES and N64 and make room for the new guys. In the mean time, we still play Perfect Dark and Super Metroid, so those systems are going nowhere. I think I'm going to get an XBox 360 with Perfect Dark, Ninja Gaiden, and Halo. I know I can get the latter 2 for cheap. __________________ I do it for the rare drops

11-14-2005, 12:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	backwards compatibility is a huge issue for many people, myself included. Like t3m3st, I still play my PS1 games a lot onthe PS2. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"