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aeturnum · 07-22-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

No matter how you say it, I can't picture a scenario where I'm sitting my kid down and teaching him to know the difference, and appreciate the difference between real and fictional violence. I'm not saying I'd shelter my child; they're going to be exposed to it eventually.

I think you're right. Trying to split hairs on why it's "ok" to hurt people in a fictional situation and not "ok" to do it in real life isn't the way to go, especially if you're talking to a younger kid. I think the better tact is to shy away from ideas about "right" and "wrong" and talk about what effect violence has on a situation. Take, for example, GTA: if you kill someone for their money, there's a chance you'll get a star. The more people you kill, the more people want to kill you. You always die in the end. That seems like a good example of violence never working out to me.

IMO, there are too many examples in our world (not just video games, but movies and books as well) where characters use violence for "good" to just tell kids that violence is never the answer. We, as a society, have proved that we sometimes believe violence is necessary. I think it's better not to go after if killing/attacking/hurting people is right or wrong, but what the alternatives are and how they're better (because they usually are).

hulk · 07-22-2005, 05:31 PM

I think you actually have to watch the kids playing the game, to determine if there's a problem. It's a tricky thing, but, you need to work out if they're shooting people or targets, if you follow me.

Derwood · 07-22-2005, 05:51 PM

Does anyone have (or know where to find) a list of what retailers will still sell this game? I've been putting it off for a combination of lack of $50 and still having 5 games I haven't beat yet on Xbox, but now I fee like I'm stuck (or will have to pay extra to get it)

FngKestrel · 07-22-2005, 06:25 PM

Gogamer still has it.

http://www.gogamer.com/

n0nsensical · 07-22-2005, 06:45 PM

Can I get one of those cool AO stickers for my copy?

hulk · 07-22-2005, 06:53 PM

Uh-oh. Now The Sims is a pedophile training tool. Goddamn, is there no end to right-wing stupidity?

Church · 07-22-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Derwood

Does anyone have (or know where to find) a list of what retailers will still sell this game? I've been putting it off for a combination of lack of $50 and still having 5 games I haven't beat yet on Xbox, but now I fee like I'm stuck (or will have to pay extra to get it)

Stores are still offering as far as I'm concerned, you just have to specifically ask for it or something like that. But either way, it won't take them long to just make a new batch of games with the AO sticker on them.

Then again, M$ first came out at launch and said that no Xbox games would be rated AO. Now that this has happened, its going to make for some interesting news bits in the future. Good luck, I still have my copy of the game with M on it.

FngKestrel · 07-22-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hulk

Uh-oh. Now The Sims is a pedophile training tool. Goddamn, is there no end to right-wing stupidity?

This is just getting fucking ridiculous. I hope that all these idiots come to realize that all this entertainment media can be subverted in one way or another and to impose these ridiculous restrictions on the gaming industry is absolutely stupid.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton had her hand in the GTA fiasco, so this thing isn't right-wing stupidity, it's technological ignorance.

Catdaddy33 · 07-22-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hulk

Uh-oh. Now The Sims is a pedophile training tool. Goddamn, is there no end to right-wing stupidity?

And gee, theres a money-hungry attorney that's behind it..

muckluck · 07-22-2005, 09:04 PM

You know if the kids have access to the mod to get to have sex in GTA San Andreas, then they have the ability to get tons of free porn. That's how I see it...

t3m3st · 07-22-2005, 09:58 PM

Any PC game that can be modified could contain adult content with modification. If parents choose not to police their children's gaming and internet use, then I believe they are washing their hands clean of the issue. These seem to be the people complaining.
Hillary Clinton saw something people were upset about, and championed the cause to get her name out there. It's all just political agenda. I doubt she really cares anyways. I also doubt she's ever even had sex, but that's another issue for another day. Don't mean to turn to personal attacks, but it was there, so I went for it. It's more of a Bill joke anyways.

Why is it ok to slaughter innocents overseas, but wrong to have hidden porn in mature rated video games?

Coppertop · 07-23-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by muckluck

You know if the kids have access to the mod to get to have sex in GTA San Andreas, then they have the ability to get tons of free porn. That's how I see it...

Actually, I didn't have to download the mod to access the sex scenes in GTA:SA on my PC. It was simply a part of completing a mission. At least that's how it was with the latina (I forget her name - the crazy one). CJ did keep his clothes on though. I guess a polygonal schlong would've been just a bit too much for GTA's target demographic to handle.

CityOfAngels · 07-23-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FngKestrel

Thank you! Violent acts on television, no problem. Janet Jackson shows a partially covered nipple, everyone freaks out. You're absolutely right on this one.

If you wanna talk Superbowl, how about Nicolet Sheridan's back? OMG it's a BARE BACK! WTF! I DON'T WANT MY KIDS TO SEE A BARE BACK, WHICH THEY CAN SEE IF THEY WALK THE FUCK OUTSIDE!

Argh...I have a theory that all these right-wing fanatics know that what they condemn isn't wrong, but if they can look like a responsible person by condemning it, they won't think twice. Can someone say insecurity?

I say we make Hillary Clinton wear a burkha for the rest of her life.

FngKestrel · 07-23-2005, 10:44 PM

Okay, here's a question to argue the other side of the point. Should this game have been AO before all this hubub simply for the sheer amount of violence in the game?

What is the line between M and AO? What should the line be?

hulk · 07-23-2005, 10:58 PM

Heck no. The violence in GTA, graphically, is extremely tame. Kill Bill was far worse, and that only hit R 18+ here because of exposed brains.

Church · 07-24-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FngKestrel

What is the line between M and AO?

The line is "sexual themes" and "graphic sexual content".

sadistikdreams · 07-24-2005, 11:14 PM

http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=1766

Hi-larious.

FngKestrel · 07-24-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sadistikdreams

http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=1766

Hi-larious.

Nice link. That does bring up a good point though. If those crackpots in Washington manage to bump Sims 2 up to a more mature rating from T, does that mean Barbie dolls, which can be readily disrobed by the end user, should be only sold to people 17 and up?

Stompy · 07-25-2005, 06:56 AM

This entire situation baffles me.

As we all know, M is 17+ . What's a rated R movie? 17+. What rating was Basic Instinct, which had LOADS of graphic sex? R.

Not only that, but... it's NOT okay to see these pixellated sex scene if you're 17, however, a year later, you are of ripe age to experience it in it's entirety? There's really no difference between 17 and 18, and I don't understand why they aren't seeing this.

What this is is a bunch of people in power that honestly have NO IDEA what the hell they're talking about and completely lack any sign of logic and reasoning. They should NOT be in the positions there were elected to and should be removed immediately... yet no one sees this.

You need to go online with the INTENT of applying this patch to unlock the code. Now, if you had the ability to do that, you also have the ability and know-how to access unlimited amounts of hardcore porn.

If someone wants to see sex, they will see it - plain and simple.

I would like to see one VALID reason why sex is so bad, yet all the violence is perfectly okay. Seriously, WHY is sex so bad that we have to censor it to this extent? It's a natural part of life, everyone does it. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for sex. It shouldn't be censored.

There's all this fuss to "protect children", but guess what? When parents' backs are turned, their kids are swearing up a storm. If there's a rated R movie, they're gonna watch it.

Enough of this fucking control and censorship - it's getting out of hand and is completely contradicting everything this country was founded upon.

HLP · 07-26-2005, 09:07 PM

I came to think about that too. I have a few theories about M which is for 17+ and AO which is 18+

1. Most stores dont even carry adult so it harder to get ahold of. They are not worried about the 17 or 18 year olds but rather before the big WalMarts and Targets started to ID whenever a M game was scanned, any kid with 50 bucks could easily get the game themselves.

1.5 Also Parents teld to get all these games at Walmart and Target. If they were to go onto any gamer website and buy the game then they would see its Adults Only and more likely than not no get it for them.

2. 18 year olds tend to hang out with older crowds. Sure they might be seniors in high schoool for a little bit but that extra year from 17 to 18 is a big difference in who they hang out with. Less chance from getting a game from a senior from a junior (note I said LESS chance, its not bulletproof Same reason for the alcohol age)

Comments?

FngKestrel · 07-27-2005, 09:55 AM

Update: FTC to investigate Rockstar Games

http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.as...feature&email=

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Hot Coffee-gate continues
FTC Gets Green Light to Investigate Rockstar Games
The House of Representatives has voted and approved a resolution urging the Federal Trade Commission to investigate Rockstar Games to determine if the publisher "intentionally deceived the Entertainment Software Ratings Board to avoid an 'Adults Only' rating." Could we see congressional hearings later this year over a video game? [UPDATE: Take-Two confirms investigation]

If you thought the controversy over the "Hot Coffee" mod to Rockstar Games' GTA: San Andreas was over once the ESRB completed its investigation and re-rated the game "AO," think again.

Rockstar deceived ESRB?
Earlier this month Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) requested that the Federal Trade Commission investigate Rockstar Games and parent company Take-Two Interactive. Late yesterday she may have gotten her wish as the U.S. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor (355 to 21) of H.Res.376—an FTC investigation "to determine if the publisher intentionally deceived the Entertainment Software Ratings Board to avoid an 'Adults Only' rating." It should be noted, however, that neither Senator Clinton's request nor the approval of the House resolution forces the FTC to investigate, but it does make it far more likely.

[ "Should the FTC determine that Rockstar Games deliberately misled the ratings board and consumers nationwide, they will pay the price," Congressman Fred Upton (R-MI) ]

House Resolution 376 was introduced by Congressman Fred Upton (R-MI). "I am outraged by the brazenness of Rockstar Games in their effort to do an end-run around the ratings system," said Upton . "Parental involvement is the most important line of defense in determining the type of content suitable for children, and the ratings system empowers parents to do just that. Unfortunately, Rockstar Games' deceit has severely undermined the integrity of the ratings system. What good are ratings that parent's cannot put their faith in?"

He continued, "I look forward to the FTC getting to the bottom of this matter. It is despicable that a company would go to such lengths to deliver smut to our kids. As a parent of two teenagers, I am particularly outraged... Should the FTC determine that Rockstar Games deliberately misled the ratings board and consumers nationwide, they will pay the price."

Analysts not too concerned
Although Take-Two has already taken a financial hit (estimates indicate a loss upwards of $50 million) because most retailers have pulled the now "AO"-rated San Andreas from their shelves, an FTC investigation could hurt the company even more, especially if it results in heavy fines and firings of key executives.

The news also put a damper on Take-Two's (TTWO) performance on the stock market as shares fell more than 7 percent at one point during trading today. That being said, many analysts believe it's an overreaction and that a "buy" rating should be maintained.

"While we believe the risk surrounding the Grand Theft Auto franchise and Take-Two remain high -- specifically related to the possibility of fines or loss of key personnel -- we think that the stock reaction is overdone and that shares appear cheap," noted Citigroup Smith Barney analyst Elizabeth Osur.

Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter doesn't believe that the FTC will have a case against Rockstar/Take-Two because deceptive trade practices would have to mean that Rockstar showed intent, a false claim and harm to the consumer. Pachter doesn't think Take-Two management knew about the sex scenes hidden in the game.

"Yes, they [management] should have known because this is their flagship brand," he told TheStreet.com. "So to protect the franchise I think it would be appropriate for them to have better controls. [But] I really find it to be a stretch that the Federal Trade Commission is going to do anything about this."

We're still awaiting word from Rockstar Games for reaction on the House vote.

Update

Take-Two has now confirmed that the company is being investigated by the FTC. The full statement follows below.

"Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO) announced today that it has been notified that the staff of the Federal Trade Commission's (FTC) Division of Advertising Practices is conducting an inquiry into advertising claims made for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. The Company intends to fully cooperate with the FTC inquiry, and believes that it acted in accordance with all applicable laws and regulations. The Company cooperated with a recently concluded Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) investigation into this matter and has taken decisive and immediate corrective action.

"Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, as originally marketed and sold, was intended for mature audiences -- those 17 and older -- and was labeled with five ESRB content descriptors: blood and gore, intense violence, strong language, strong sexual content and use of drugs. The title's M rating combined with the content descriptors reflected the game's mature themes. After it was widely reported that a third party modification could alter the retail version of the game on all platforms, the ESRB re-rated the title from "Mature 17+" (M) to "Adults Only 18+" (AO).

"Rockstar Games and Take Two Interactive regret that consumers may have been exposed to content that was not intended to be accessible in the playable version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. The Company has taken significant steps to remedy this situation, including halting production of the current version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and has begun working on a version of the game that will not contain the elements used to enable the "hot coffee" modification. Going forward, the Company will refine the process by which it edits games and will enhance the protection of its game code to prevent such future modifications.

"Take-Two Interactive recognizes and takes seriously its responsibility to ensure that its games are rated and marketed appropriately. The Company will continue to support and promote the ESRB rating system to help keep mature-themed video game content out of the hands of children."

FngKestrel · 07-27-2005, 10:17 AM

Secondary update: The modder responds to Clinton, Yee, and Thompson.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/articles.as...n=news&days=-1

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005
GTA Modder Lashes Out at ESRB
GameDAILY BIZ was recently contacted by "Hot Coffee" modder Patrick Wildenborg of the Netherlands. Patrick alerted us via e-mail to a letter sent by the administration of GTAgarage.com to Senator Hillary Clinton, CA Assemblyman Yee and attorney Jack Thompson. The e-mail has the subject line "The ESRB has lied to us all" and clearly shows the mod community's displeasure with the ESRB for its request that publishers watch what modders do more carefully. Below is the full correspondence, unedited.

To whom it may concern,

We just fired this message off to Senator Clinton, Assemblymember Yee, and the rather excitable Jack Thompson. Your attacks on the customers you are supposed to protect are reprehensible to say the least. The gaming public knows very well you have rated more explicit games as "M" than what is contained in the allegedly obscene content (hot coffee) which you have admonished us over. Granted, your demonizing of the mod community may be only PR and politics, but we do not appreciate being a tertiary scapegoat for you to pass the already misplaced blame of irresponsible parents along to. So, please, find another patsy.

Just thought it would be fair to give you the heads up we never got.

Cheers,
the administration of gtagarage.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Yee, and Mr. Thompson

In recent statements by the ESRB, they have accused the mod community of undermining their ratings by putting sexually explicit material into PC games, namely San Andreas, which was already rated "M". However, if you look into a game by the name of "Singles - Flirt up your Life", it becomes quite clear they are doing a good job of that all by themselves. This "M" rated game features full frontal nudity (and not androgynous "barbies" like The Sims) and characters engaging in interactive sexual scenes. Screenshots of this game can be seen over at IGN:
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/667/667197/imgs_1.html

And for that matter, what of the game "Playboy: The Mansion", which is based on the skin magazine, and is also rated "M"?!

Seeing as these game contains *far* more graphic depictions of sex than anything found in San Andreas, including the scenes involving nudity which we modded into the game (by default, "Hot Coffee" did contain fully clothed actors...), how exactly have we undermined their rating? If anything, what was left on the disc by Rockstar and modded into the game by us doesn't even come close to what the ESRB itself considers "M" material, let alone rising to their very own standards of "AO". To blame the mod community for this is not only hypocritical, but quite deceptive as well. Not to mention the fact that they've essentially had one title banned for containing "pornography", while they let more explicit games
get by them.

For the record, we feel that "M" is an appropriate rating for these games, as their contents are no worse than R-rated films which have long been considered "okay" for ages 17 and up. However, we do agree with you all that that the ESRB is a big joke. Especially now that they're attacking their own customers for content which they obviously don't seem to have a problem with. Why should we the consumers be persecuted for adding something to a game which the ESRB has already demonstrated as perfectly acceptable for titles in the "M" range? San Andreas originally carried a warning for "strong sexual content", and judging by their previous ratings, we would insist that we released the "Hot Coffee" mod well within the ESRB's (apparently broken) guidelines.

Best Regards,
the administration of gtagarage.com

I'd also like to throw in that every game company is required to submit a tape to the ESRB demonstrating gameplay which may be considered questionable. So it very well could be Rockstar's fault for omitting the sex scenes. I say this because like Coppertop said, he was able to access the hot coffee scenes without any sort of modding.

Catdaddy33 · 07-27-2005, 05:02 PM

And the lawsuits begin..

This one is a 85-year old grandma that bought it for a 14 year old grandson...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_game_lawsuit

Stompy · 07-28-2005, 07:40 AM

Ugh, these people are disgusting and need to be shot.

I don't know wtf people don't get about, "You have to MODIFY THE GAME TO UNLOCK THE CONTENT."

Just another money grubbing POS.

hulk · 07-29-2005, 06:46 AM

Oh wow, it's totally banned in Australia now. The ratings board revoked it's rating, so it's illegal to sell or hire the game. A bit much for some fully-clothed badly animated sex, eh? I doubt they even did much more than read the US news about it, for fuck's sake. I'm quickly losing faith in humanity.

bonehed1 · 07-29-2005, 09:15 AM

I am still wondering why this game is all the hype at the moment when there is Leisure Suit Larry and I havent heard anything about that....

hulk · 07-29-2005, 06:56 PM

That was banned in Australia, too. It's a date rape simulator, apparently. We don't get Postal, either. Strangely enough, orders for Postal 2 are surprisingly high from .au...

Lasereth · 07-29-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bonehed1

I am still wondering why this game is all the hype at the moment when there is Leisure Suit Larry and I havent heard anything about that....

Or how about Max Payne 2, where typing in an actual CHEAT CODE, not a mod, let you see one of the main characters fully nude.

-Lasereth

Derwood · 08-01-2005, 10:01 AM

How soon is the new version being released? This is fucking stupid how many stores won't carry this now. I can't find it ANYWHERE in my town.

Derwood · 08-01-2005, 10:41 AM

even. www.gogamer.com is sold out! AUGGGGHHHHHH!

Derwood · 08-01-2005, 12:30 PM

OK, i'm better now. They were selling it at my local EB Games. You just had to "ask for it" because they wouldn't display it.

BTW, fuck everyone selling it on eBay for $99. Bastards.

07-22-2005, 05:31 PM	#42 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	I think you actually have to watch the kids playing the game, to determine if there's a problem. It's a tricky thing, but, you need to work out if they're shooting people or targets, if you follow me. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

07-22-2005, 05:51 PM	#43 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	Does anyone have (or know where to find) a list of what retailers will still sell this game? I've been putting it off for a combination of lack of $50 and still having 5 games I haven't beat yet on Xbox, but now I fee like I'm stuck (or will have to pay extra to get it) __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

07-22-2005, 06:45 PM	#45 (permalink)
n0nsensical Junkie Location: San Francisco	Can I get one of those cool AO stickers for my copy? __________________ "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." --Abraham Lincoln

07-22-2005, 06:53 PM	#46 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Uh-oh. Now The Sims is a pedophile training tool. Goddamn, is there no end to right-wing stupidity? __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

07-22-2005, 09:04 PM	#50 (permalink)
muckluck Psycho	You know if the kids have access to the mod to get to have sex in GTA San Andreas, then they have the ability to get tons of free porn. That's how I see it... __________________

07-22-2005, 06:25 PM	#44 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	Gogamer still has it. http://www.gogamer.com/

07-22-2005, 09:58 PM	#51 (permalink)
t3m3st Vroom! Location: Toronto	Any PC game that can be modified could contain adult content with modification. If parents choose not to police their children's gaming and internet use, then I believe they are washing their hands clean of the issue. These seem to be the people complaining. Hillary Clinton saw something people were upset about, and championed the cause to get her name out there. It's all just political agenda. I doubt she really cares anyways. I also doubt she's ever even had sex, but that's another issue for another day. Don't mean to turn to personal attacks, but it was there, so I went for it. It's more of a Bill joke anyways. Why is it ok to slaughter innocents overseas, but wrong to have hidden porn in mature rated video games? __________________ I do it for the rare drops

07-23-2005, 10:44 PM	#54 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	Okay, here's a question to argue the other side of the point. Should this game have been AO before all this hubub simply for the sheer amount of violence in the game? What is the line between M and AO? What should the line be?

07-23-2005, 10:58 PM	#55 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Heck no. The violence in GTA, graphically, is extremely tame. Kill Bill was far worse, and that only hit R 18+ here because of exposed brains. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

07-24-2005, 11:14 PM	#57 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=1766 Hi-larious. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

07-25-2005, 06:56 AM	#59 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	This entire situation baffles me. As we all know, M is 17+ . What's a rated R movie? 17+. What rating was Basic Instinct, which had LOADS of graphic sex? R. Not only that, but... it's NOT okay to see these pixellated sex scene if you're 17, however, a year later, you are of ripe age to experience it in it's entirety? There's really no difference between 17 and 18, and I don't understand why they aren't seeing this. What this is is a bunch of people in power that honestly have NO IDEA what the hell they're talking about and completely lack any sign of logic and reasoning. They should NOT be in the positions there were elected to and should be removed immediately... yet no one sees this. You need to go online with the INTENT of applying this patch to unlock the code. Now, if you had the ability to do that, you also have the ability and know-how to access unlimited amounts of hardcore porn. If someone wants to see sex, they will see it - plain and simple. I would like to see one VALID reason why sex is so bad, yet all the violence is perfectly okay. Seriously, WHY is sex so bad that we have to censor it to this extent? It's a natural part of life, everyone does it. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for sex. It shouldn't be censored. There's all this fuss to "protect children", but guess what? When parents' backs are turned, their kids are swearing up a storm. If there's a rated R movie, they're gonna watch it. Enough of this fucking control and censorship - it's getting out of hand and is completely contradicting everything this country was founded upon. __________________ I love lamp.

07-26-2005, 09:07 PM	#60 (permalink)
HLP Crazy	I came to think about that too. I have a few theories about M which is for 17+ and AO which is 18+ 1. Most stores dont even carry adult so it harder to get ahold of. They are not worried about the 17 or 18 year olds but rather before the big WalMarts and Targets started to ID whenever a M game was scanned, any kid with 50 bucks could easily get the game themselves. 1.5 Also Parents teld to get all these games at Walmart and Target. If they were to go onto any gamer website and buy the game then they would see its Adults Only and more likely than not no get it for them. 2. 18 year olds tend to hang out with older crowds. Sure they might be seniors in high schoool for a little bit but that extra year from 17 to 18 is a big difference in who they hang out with. Less chance from getting a game from a senior from a junior (note I said LESS chance, its not bulletproof Same reason for the alcohol age) Comments?

07-27-2005, 05:02 PM	#63 (permalink)
Catdaddy33 Psycho Location: TN	And the lawsuits begin.. This one is a 85-year old grandma that bought it for a 14 year old grandson... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_game_lawsuit

07-28-2005, 07:40 AM	#64 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	Ugh, these people are disgusting and need to be shot. I don't know wtf people don't get about, "You have to MODIFY THE GAME TO UNLOCK THE CONTENT." Just another money grubbing POS. __________________ I love lamp.

07-29-2005, 06:46 AM	#65 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Oh wow, it's totally banned in Australia now. The ratings board revoked it's rating, so it's illegal to sell or hire the game. A bit much for some fully-clothed badly animated sex, eh? I doubt they even did much more than read the US news about it, for fuck's sake. I'm quickly losing faith in humanity. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

07-29-2005, 09:15 AM	#66 (permalink)
bonehed1 Psycho Location: California	I am still wondering why this game is all the hype at the moment when there is Leisure Suit Larry and I havent heard anything about that.... __________________ Stuff is Good

07-29-2005, 06:56 PM	#67 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	That was banned in Australia, too. It's a date rape simulator, apparently. We don't get Postal, either. Strangely enough, orders for Postal 2 are surprisingly high from .au... __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

08-01-2005, 10:01 AM	#69 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	How soon is the new version being released? This is fucking stupid how many stores won't carry this now. I can't find it ANYWHERE in my town. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

08-01-2005, 10:41 AM	#70 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	even. www.gogamer.com is sold out! AUGGGGHHHHHH! __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

08-01-2005, 12:30 PM	#71 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	OK, i'm better now. They were selling it at my local EB Games. You just had to "ask for it" because they wouldn't display it. BTW, fuck everyone selling it on eBay for $99. Bastards. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel