The World of Warcraft Thread

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Malfurian Stormrage is a demigod, that is why he is huge.

No, actually, he is not. He is a mortal. STOP MAKING SHIT UP. Please. Also, what about Tirion Fordring, a human mortal? Why is he so huge?

[Strange Famous]

He's 10,000 years old and mortal?

You have an interesting view of the lore - thats all I can say.

[Baraka_Guru]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

He's 10,000 years old and mortal?

You have an interesting view of the lore - thats all I can say.

Even Tolkien's immortal elves can be slain or die of grief. They aren't demigods. I suppose the closest thing to that would be the Maiar.

Anyway, immortal does not necessarily mean demigod. The idea that all elves are demigods because of their immortality is absurd.

[Strange Famous]

Yes, but being 10,000 years old is a good sign that one if not mortal in any ordinary sense of the word - and that was the statement which I was answering.

The evidence that Malfurion is a demigod is based on his powers over nature and connection to the land of the night elves.

[Baraka_Guru]

So he's an ancient and powerful druid. Galadriel is ancient and powerful too (some measures put her at just under 12,000 years by the time she left Middle-earth). Neither are demigods. They're elves.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Malfurian Stormrage is a demigod, that is why he is huge.

Thrall is a mortal I believe, unless you know of many gods who cannot overcome a couple of murlocs?

Dude really?

Malfurion Stormrage - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Malfurion Stormrage was the first mortal druid of all time, and initiated the mainstream use of druidism among the night elven people ten millenia ago under tutelage of the demigod Cenarius. Through Malfurion's guidance, the kaldorei managed to successfully halt the Burning Legion's first invasion of Azeroth during the War of the Ancients. In its aftermath, he became the greatest of the world's archdruids. Malfurion Stormrage is the twin brother of Illidan Stormrage, as well as the loving and beloved husband of the high priestess of Elune, Tyrande Whisperwind. Together, the two have represented the highest leadership of the night elves ever since the fall of Queen Azshara and her Highborne caste.

Malfurion is often referred to as shan'do, which means "honored teacher" in Darnassian. Connected deeply to the ebb and flow of all life on Azeroth and bearing ten thousand years of responsibility and experience, he is one of the most powerful and venerated mortals of the Warcraft universe.

Chris Metzen commented that Malfurion Stormrage is his personal favorite character in the Warcraft lore.[3]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

He's 10,000 years old and mortal?

You have an interesting view of the lore - thats all I can say.

Read that first sentence... yes. READ IT. It doesn't say DEMIGOD or IMMMORTAL...

These aren't views or opinions, they are FACTS by the people who author the game and the backstory.

Whereas your opinions are just that, I'm happy to classify them as ludicrous troll baiting statements. <--- take note of that statement before I put on my staff hat.

[Strange Famous]

I genuinely find this forum ridiculous sometimes.

Is anybody being hurt or upset by this discussion, about a fictional video game? Some of the things Ive said might be shown to be false, others still stand as true - and none of it is in anything other than good humour.

I really cant understand any reason you need to threaten to close the thread or "wear your staff hat" simply because I dont agree with things you claim are facts.

[Cynthetiq]

SF, people are making your claims to be borderline trolling. They referenced your other trollish posts in other parts of the forum.

When faced with facts, you outright reject them. It's good humor for a troll, not for the participants of the discussion.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

He's 10,000 years old and mortal?

You have an interesting view of the lore - thats all I can say.

Every night elf was immortal when the World Tree and Well of Eternity were intact. No night elf could die of old age or sickness. When the World Tree and Well of Eternity were blown up at the end of Warcraft 3, all night elves lost their immortality. Are you saying all night elves are demigods?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

[Strange Famous]

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

SF, people are making your claims to be borderline trolling. They referenced your other trollish posts in other parts of the forum.

When faced with facts, you outright reject them. It's good humor for a troll, not for the participants of the discussion.

Well, now there's no discussion at all where there was one

I guess thats better than people having a bit of a laugh.

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And since I am now playing a druid, I have met Malfurian.... he has deers antlers coming out of his head. Whether he or was a normal elf he is clearly also something pretty special.

The human king of Stormwind was about my size (as an elf) - which is tall for a man but not out of the question tall. I have met Jaina Proudmore on quests and she was not espcially tall as I recall.

In older editions of of Warcraft they may have made boss characters bigger still and it may happen to a degree, but Thrall is bigger than the leader of the Earthern Ring who is at least equally powerful as a character... and Taurens are bigger than orcs normally.

The half ogre argument really cannot be dismissed as easily as some people want.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Well, now there's no discussion at all where there was one

I guess thats better than people having a bit of a laugh.

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And since I am now playing a druid, I have met Malfurian.... he has deers antlers coming out of his head. Whether he or was a normal elf he is clearly also something pretty special.

The human king of Stormwind was about my size (as an elf) - which is tall for a man but not out of the question tall. I have met Jaina Proudmore on quests and she was not espcially tall as I recall.

In older editions of of Warcraft they may have made boss characters bigger still and it may happen to a degree, but Thrall is bigger than the leader of the Earthern Ring who is at least equally powerful as a character... and Taurens are bigger than orcs normally.

The half ogre argument really cannot be dismissed as easily as some people want.

What about the pictures I posted of Tirion Fordring? He's absolutely gigantic and he's a human. Thrall is not a half ogre it's absolutely not up for debate. You are a horrible troll.

[Strange Famous]

Ive never met Trion and I dont know the context of the picture you are posting.

Maybe he is that size naturally, but maybe there is a special reason? (a temporary spell, some condition of giantism caused by a curse...) I dont know the character. But I know I have met boss characters that were not especially huge in the way Thrall is. (another ie Archdruid Staghelm)

You cant expect me to comment on things I dont know anything about.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Ive never met Trion and I dont know the context of the picture you are posting.

Maybe he is that size naturally, but maybe there is a special reason? (a temporary spell, some condition of giantism caused by a curse...) I dont know the character. But I know I have met boss characters that were not especially huge in the way Thrall is. (another ie Archdruid Staghelm)

You cant expect me to comment on things I dont know anything about.

You did the deathknight starting questline, so yes, you met Tirion Fordring.

[Strange Famous]

Well, he didnt make much of an impression on me... dont remember the character. I didnt enjoy the death knight character much on account of the atrocities I was forced to commit and then outrageous insults thrown at me by peasants in Stormwind.

[Strange Famous]

Originally Posted by YaWhateva

Tirion Fordring the Half Ogre. It has a nice ring to it.

Right well I have now met this guy. I was in Ice Crown to rescue Jaina Proudmore from the Forge of Souls and I found this guy Highlord Trion

Now, I cant comment on how you produced the image you attached. Whether its a different version of the game, whether Trion has had a spell cast on him to make him taller, whether the picture is manipulated... you probably know the truth yourself, because I now know this is not the true height of this guy.

However, I 100% make a sworn statement that I stood next to Trion and (as a female night elf) he was the EXACT same height as me. Tall for a man, but not the giant you show here.

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So people throw all this stuff around saying "read the lore"

I have seen for myself, with my own eyes, the images and things you are saying are false in this case at least.

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As a side matter, once I got into the Forge of Souls I nearly had the Lich King's life... but he escaped from me when a wall caved in at the last moment. Me and a one other man from my guild went through THREE dungeons killing the servants of this guy. We had him at last, and Jaina me and my guildmate lured him into a trap with an Alliance gunship about to fucking destroy him... and the wall caved in and saved his life.

[YaWhateva]

Your beloved Jaina Proudmore, Half Ogre?




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Now, see, I'm not a troll like you so I will just say, I'm pointing out that height is completely inconsistent in this game so SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Yes, I edited the pictures

[Strange Famous]

Right, I am going to sign on right now and sail to Ice Crown and prove that this picture of Highlord Trion is false.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Right, I am going to sign on right now and sail to Ice Crown and prove that this picture of Highlord Trion is false.

do you not understand how to read? Here let me quote my last comment and bold the point I'm making.

Now, see, I'm not a troll like you so I will just say, I'm pointing out that height is completely inconsistent in this game so SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Yes, I edited the pictures

the two pictures i have of Jaina should make that fucking clear to you. Yes, in the DK starting area and other areas Tirion is not giant. Just like in some areas Thrall is giant and others he isn't. It doesn't mean any of them are half ogres. Learn some fucking reading comprehension. Just as proof, here is a Thrall who is just a bit taller than a normal orc. What, its cool if Tirion and Jaina are just tall for humans like you said, but not Thrall?

[Strange Famous]

What have you got to say about this then?!?!?

How do you reconcile this to the pictures you posted of Tirion as 12 foot tall???

Clearly he is within an inch of the height of me here.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

What have you got to say about this then?!?!?

How do you reconcile this to the pictures you posted of Tirion as 12 foot tall???

Clearly he is within an inch of the height of me here.

LEARN HOW TO READ! god damnit. You're incredibly frustrating with your inability to read. How do you reconcile that Jaina is extremely tall (like over 7 feet tall) in one of the pictures I posted and then absolutely gigantic in the other? How about how Thrall isn't very large at all in the pictures I posted...about the same height as Tirion, since I showed one of a night elf female standing right next to him and in others he is gigantic.

Wait for it...

Now, see, I'm not a troll like you so I will just say, I'm pointing out that height is completely inconsistent in this game so SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Yes, I edited the pictures

[Strange Famous]

Oh well, youve changed your tune then.

So it isnt the case that bosses are always huge, its just that bosses are sometimes huge.

I have met this prick Thrall anyway now.

I did a mission in the Twilight Highlands where I had to rescue one of the Eathern Ring from an Ogre (not sure if any relation to Thrall)... this led to taking on Deathwing the dragon. The mission was to kill the dragon with Thrall and his health was like 150k, thats about the same as my turtle so I had no dount I would kill the monster. However, he was out of range and I kept getting "invalid target" and rather than doing anything to fucking help Thrall kept insulting me, calling me "useless" and "weak" etc...

Despite the fact he is the former leader of the Horde and second in charge of Earthern Ring, he cant take on a 150k monster himself, and is insulting me cos Im on a ledge and the thing is out of my range doing fuck all himself to be useful. Then we both got knocked out by a fireball cos of all the time Thrall was fucking around and giving me language rather then calling the creature into range.

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I believe he lives in Durotar? To be honest next time I see this interesting great lummux of an orc its going down. I wont stand for being insulted in this manner.

[YaWhateva]

I did not change my tune, I had been saying that height doesn't matter since the beginning. You sure know how to get under people's skin you troll.

Can someone tell me how you ignore a user? I've had enough of this ridiculous trolling. Not just in this thread, but every post he makes.

[Strange Famous]

its quite easy.

If you want to ignore someone the best way involves not making public statements that you are ignoring them.

Personally I cannot find any excuse for the way in which Thrall behaved towards me. The explanations for the images you posted seem to me to be the use of potions and magic

Someone has already stated that Blizzard go to extreme lengths to keep continuity in the game... I think this must extend to not making Jaina Proudmore 10 feet tall in some instances. I have taken a potion that made me about two foot shorter which I got as a reward for a fising quest, and I have also had a spell cast on me in an instance which made me much taller.

Whatever Thrall's parentage, he behaved towards me as a cad and will receive the appropriate consequence for this in due course.

[YaWhateva]

Ah, great found the button. Whew, that makes this thread so much better.

[Shauk]

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

What have you got to say about this then?!?!?

How do you reconcile this to the pictures you posted of Tirion as 12 foot tall???

Clearly he is within an inch of the height of me here.

it's because you're playing a night elf, he's still slightly larger than the normal human model. Not that it matters since you're still straight trolling.

[Strange Famous]

I know night elves are taller than normal humans.

But a picture was posted were a night elf male came up to about the waist of Tirion

I have proved that Tirion stands about as tall s a female night elf (ie about 6 6 a big man, but not a giant, not a "half ogre"

So dont accuse me of trolling. I am not the one casting spells to increase a NPCs height and then posting them and claiming its normal.

[Cynthetiq]

Well, you're clearly not going into Ice Crown Citadel because you'd see in the front staging area that Tirion is huge, and in the final act just before the Lich King Encounter you'd see that he's fucking gigantic.

[Baraka_Guru]

Strange Famous, have you considered going and asking Aman'Thul or maybe Norgannon about all of this? They should clear it up for you. If anyone knows the answers, it's them.

[high_jinx]

how can you ignore sf? if you don't try to argue with him his bumbling anecdotes come off like the perspective of a goofy eric idle character from monty python... i find them funny. im waiting for him to talk about the knights who go neep helping teach thrall a lesson.

[Zeraph]

Or just go to a high level area, and ask such question in general. Eventually youll get someone willing to explain things.

[Zeraph]

PS I heard Malfurion and Illidan were gay for each other. Prove me wrong! lol

Think about it though, neither ever had a wife or girlfriend. They were always so close and emotionally bound.

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

PS I heard Malfurion and Illidan were gay for each other. Prove me wrong! lol

Think about it though, neither ever had a wife or girlfriend. They were always so close and emotionally bound.

haha sounds like something SF would say. He would also never accept the fact that they are brothers. He may also say that Malfurion's marriage to Tyrande is just a sham marriage to cover up the gay incest he and Illidan are having.

[Zeraph]

Originally Posted by YaWhateva

haha sounds like something SF would say. He would also never accept the fact that they are brothers. He may also say that Malfurion's marriage to Tyrande is just a sham marriage to cover up the gay incest he and Illidan are having.

Exactly!

[Strange Famous]

I dont even know who Illidian is. If the point youre making is that I am not an expert on the game, thats certainly true. I've only played one character, Ive never been in a "raid" or a hero dungeon. I only recently managed to go through a whole battle ground without getting killed one time.

But I know the observations of my own senses. I can tell certainly that Thrall is both a coward and a cad, that his mother was probably an ogre or else a half wit, and that Sylvanas would and could kill him in one minute if it suited her goals.

[Zeraph]

Yeah, thrall must also be into bestiality because he would always ride that worg in WCIII.

[Baraka_Guru]

I hear Sylvanas is into necrophilia.

[Strange Famous]

Originally Posted by Zeraph

Yeah, thrall must also be into bestiality because he would always ride that worg in WCIII.

Bestiality is a man sleeping with a beast.

Orcs are animals themselves,albeit ones with semi-human intelligence. You cannot draw the same distinctions or apply human standards.

[Zeraph]

hahha


anyways...you know humans are animals right?

[Zeraph]

I'm 78.5. Where's the best place to level to hit 80? Having trouble finding quests in icecrown and storm peaks.

edit: hit 79. I think I figured it out. They're out of phase until you get the first quest line from Dalaran.

[Frosstbyte]

Yeah, Icecrown in particular is INSANELY phased. It's probably a good place to quest because it will prepare you for Cata questing (which is equally, if not more, phased).

You really have to start at the beginning and progress through step by step. It makes for much more immersion in the storytelling, but it's much more restrictive in how and where you spend your game time.