The World of Warcraft Thread

[Frosstbyte]

Drama is alliance. We're on Korgath. We were originally on Shattered Hand. To brag a little, you've probably heard of us because we have the distinction of having the world first Nef kill-and only alliance first kill of an end of instance boss. We're looking to hit top 10 KT kills worldwide and we were top 20 worldwide on C'thun. I'm very proud to be a member. We have our ups and downs like every guild, but overall it's an amazing group of people who bust their ass and take care of business.

Here's my hunter's CT profile: http://ctprofiles.net/205635 The resist sets aren't entirely up to date, but they're close enough for government work.

What's the deal with EJ, anyway? Where did they come from and what's their deal to have the whole no recruiting anyone ever mentality? Are they dicks on the server or do they do their own thing and everyone goes along with it?

[-Ever-]

Yeah I did a little research and found out why I'd heard about Drama. World firsts are f'in awesome. No one can ever take that away from you, that's for sure. Man I know that's a competitive market though - heard all about DnT's transfers and FrR rune farming. It's great that you get to be a part of that.

EJ is, to my best of knowledge, a break off of a guild that formed during the closed and open betas. I'm unaware of the original beta guild names, but Goon Squad formed when Mal'ganis opened from the guys they played with, but they decided to make the typical splinter guild of a majority of the hardcore members. They're actually really cool guys in my opinion. They're quite elusive in that they keep pretty damn quiet in the general public view. They have quite limited drama and have pretty serious alliances set up with the alliance guilds when it comes to things like non-pvp during world bosses. If I had to label them at all, I'd personally just call them classy. Yeah they're exclusive and somewhat elitist, but it's well deserved imo and definitely doesn't spawn from anything bad like self-righteousness and such. Have you ever been to their website? They're a little behind on the cutting-edge of raiding recently, however what they do have going is one of the best wow forums available as far as being a knowledge-sink and being extremely well administrated by Praetorian (Gurgthok in wow)

Http://www.elitistjerks.com

[Pragma]

Yea, I post on the EJ forums fairly regularily (character name Hashimoto) - it's definitely one of my favorite places to hang out. I really like the no-bullshit attitude that they have towards the boards.

[Lasereth]

http://ctprofiles.net/2832726

This week I've been running Scholo like mad to get AD rep. I was friendly with AD but now am halfway to Revered. My guild is starting Naxx very soon so I have to be prepared for the attunement.

[MahlerIsGod]

I just had the weirdest conversation with a GM. I had a problem with a quest item and they took care of it and then they asked if there was something else they could help me with. There was. There has been something annoying me since I started my warrior and doing AB there is nothing for a warrior in the 30-39 bracket. There are belts labeled hunter/shaman or a Plate belt which I cant use for another lvl. I told him/her either put something in there for warriors or take away the stuff thats inappropriate for that bracket. I asked her can I wear the plate belt or can I wear the shaman/hunter belt and they laid a "We cannot give out gametips" spiel which leads me to believe that it was a "Wink, Wink, Nudge Nudge" type of deal. I can wear one of those belts and I am guessing the shaman/hunter. I know there are a few highlevel/accomplished warriors who frequent this thread and I was wondering if they had heard anything on the grapevine or knew anything from personal experience. Many thanks!

[Frosstbyte]

Unfortunately, Mahler, it's not a wink wink nudge nudge thing, they're just being coy. They inexplicably set up various level requirements for the rewards, so you just have to hang out and grind up another level to get the goods. It sucks, but this is blizzard we're talking about. So it goes.

[MahlerIsGod]

Thank you for the info Frosstbyte. Let me phrase my response thusly: That sucks balls!

[Lasereth]

We just had our first real night of Twin Emps fights last night. Wow. I think 85% was our best attempt. I think our biggest problem is melee running in too soon and the healers not getting away from the exploding bugs and blizzard. We were having major trouble with the transitions and initial pull at first but I think we overcame that at the end.

[Frosstbyte]

85% is about where we're getting Kel'Thuzad, so I feel your mid-80s woes. There's a reason Twin Emps are so often referred to as a threshold fight in terms of end game difficulty. Takes a fairly unprecendented level of raid coordination to get everyone doing the same thing.

Invaluable learning tip: have your healers bring major fire and frost protection potions and pop them before the fight. Helps a lot mitigating a stray bug or a bad blizzard.

[boom29]

As always...noob question...

What does the 85% refer to?

[Frosstbyte]

It means we're getting the boss's total HP down to 85%. Raid bosses have TONS of H, so the easiest way to measure and compare progress is to go by what % of health people are getting them down to.

[Halx]

My guild is so screwed. I'm currently applying cross-realms to other guilds who appear to have their heads screwed on right.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Halx

My guild is so screwed. I'm currently applying cross-realms to other guilds who appear to have their heads screwed on right.

at least now I don't feel so alone in this...

I've been trying to figure out just what to do, but to just somewhat accept it as it is. I've not thought about cross realm....

[boom29]

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

It means we're getting the boss's total HP down to 85%. Raid bosses have TONS of H, so the easiest way to measure and compare progress is to go by what % of health people are getting them down to.

You literally do mean TONS. I can't imagine...considering that raids consists of 40 high level players.

As a side question, what are the pros/cons of joining a guild. I am up to level 32 with my character, but I have yet to consider joining a guild. I play maybe 3/4 nights a week, but I don't play for more than two hours most of the time, plus I'm usually on after 10:00 pm (PST), so there's already less people on the server.

[MahlerIsGod]

Even though I think $25 is a ripoff to transfer your character, I transfered my main (a mage) to a MST server this past summer. I was lucky as there was kind've a lull over the summer and a lot of guilds were looking. I got on with one of the best Alliance guilds on the server. I would suggest moving now so that you can find a guild because when the expansion comes out a lot of people will be returning and looking for guilds. Just a thought

[Frosstbyte]

Just as an FWI for boom:

Ony has ~1M HP
Most MC bosses have between 500k and 1M HP
Most BWL bosses have about 1M HP, Chrom and Nef have closer to 2M
Most AQ bosses have 1-1.5M HP, Emps+ have 2M
Naxx bosses start at 1.5M. Thaddius has around 7M and Loatheb has 5M, but they both have gimmicks that make it possible to get through that much health in 5 minutes. Sapphiron and KT have around 3M.

I didn't join any guild until I was level 52. I didn't join a raiding guild until I had about 40 days /played on my character. You don't need them to enjoy the game (particularly the leveling up aspect of it) and not being in one certainly avoids a lot of drama.

[Pragma]

In addition to what Frosstbyte said, joining a raiding guild while being sub-60 is REALLY not a fun part of the game. We had so much bitching that we recently kicked out all of the sub-60 people in our guild, just because come raiding time, the 40 of us would all dive into AQ40/Naxx/BWL and go raid, and there'd be one or two people spamming guild chat with "Anyone wanna do SM? Anyone wanna do Mara?" and then get pissed off. They're better off being guildless or in a non-raiding guild.

[Frosstbyte]

KT dead. World 13th, US 6th. Got warrior and mage rings, the healing 1-handed mace and the offhand/tanking sword.

Feels good to finally be done so we can get into a routine of clearing it faster and have some time off.

[Pragma]

Congrats on the KT kill, from the videos of it I've seen it looks pretty wild. That's impresive

[Ch'i]

Why are DnT, Nihilum Horde, and Risen Alliance so good?

[Frosstbyte]

Originally Posted by Ch'i

Why are DnT, Nihilum Horde, and Risen Alliance so good?

Guilds at the bleeding edge are good because we spend a lot of time together and work hard. We've spent a lot of time learning to work as a team, we've spent a lot of time gearing ourselves up and we spend a lot of time making sure everyone in the raid is prepared for whatever meets us in an encounter. From the release of Naxx until our kill this weekend, we spent hundreds and hundreds of hours raiding and thousands and thousands of gold in consumeables. Additionally, every high end guild has 2-3 strategists and 2-3 solid mod writers.

DnT and Nihilum, in particular, also benefited from LOTS of cream of the crop cross server applicants that allowed them to flesh out their ranks with people in superb gear with extensive Naxx experience.

Skill certainly helps, but most of WoW is time spent on the mob and spent preparing for the mob. The guilds who get the first kills have spent the most time gearing up and the most time learning the encounters, it's pretty simple.

[-Ever-]

Congrats on the kill!

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Additionally, every high end guild has 2-3 strategists and 2-3 solid mod writers.

That's hardcore.

By the way, Southpark tonight is doing a special on WoW

http://www.southparkstudios.com/

[Lokus]

The Southpark was hilarious by the way. A lot of the stuff they put in wasn't really true to the game (Kenny is a human hunter) but most of it only makes it funnier. There's an encore tomorrow or if you're impatient, it's probably on BT.

[Cynthetiq]

It was hysterical.

"I am socializing r tard. I'm logged onto a M M O R P G with people from all over the the world and getting XP with my party using TeamSpeak."

[Halx]

I am transferring my warrior to Cenarius this weekend. I'm gonna miss playing my favorite toon with my friends on Silvermoon, but I want to see end game progression. The guild Encore will try me and my girlfriend out and hopefully we make the cut.

As an aside, I've recently taken up engineering on my warrior. After watching several PvP videos in which thorium grenades were used very efficiently to stun and interrupt people, I just had to make the switch. Now, to practice the placement.

[Lasereth]

My warrior has been an engineer for months now and I love it. Stock up on iron grenades, they're cheaper than thorium grenades and have the same stun effect. Items like the gnomish cloaking device, gnomish death ray, parachute cloak, etc. make it the perfect PVP profession. You don't realize how often those grenades come in handy until you have them. I map them to my F key for easy access. Oh, and those grenades will reach to Golemagg from the bridge above him.

[ObieX]

Yea the grenades are extremely useful is ABa nd AV to stop clickers from a distance. Great if you're a paladin and dont really ahve any other range. I've found that there are rockets from goblin engineering (i think) that are instant cast. They dont ahve the stun effect (atleast not the ones i've seen) and you still ahve to target the area they'll attack.. but you dont have to wait for them to fly throught he air like you do with grenades. they'll just ezplode on target the second you click where you want them to go. :P But thats just really useful to stop flag clickers. THey have a longer range than the grenades too iirc.

[Halx]

I love hunters. Seriously.

[Scorps]

Damn kiter...lol

[ObieX]

what are those grey and white stones on your map? (may be a comon mod but i try not to play with mods.. just ctra and wow reader to update my profile.. oh.. and anzac texas holdem )

[Crack]

Originally Posted by ObieX

what are those grey and white stones on your map? (may be a comon mod but i try not to play with mods.. just ctra and wow reader to update my profile.. oh.. and anzac texas holdem )

Looks like Gather-er... or something like that, it's a mod that keeps track of the stuff you gather, like mineral nodes, or herbs. Most stuff spawns in the same place everyday, so if you know where to look, you can be more effective at mining/herb-picking. The white stone is maybe silver or tin, and the gray is Iron. I thnk.

[Halx]

Ya thats Gatherer.. and those are iron and mithril nodes. Its a very useful mod.

[Frosstbyte]

I'm impressed you had enough mana to get him down. Were you tagging with rank 1 arcane and reapplying serpent sting only once it ran out?

[Halx]

No, I went through 3 mana pots. I was tagging him with serpent sting, but as you can see from the SS, it did very little damage. I did the most damage when I hit him with concussive shot and stood still for long enough to get 2 auto-shots off. That didnt happen very often.. I forgot how long it took, but it was pretty fun.

[Frosstbyte]

You've graduated novice level.

Level 2 is doing the kiting demon for the hunter epic quest.

Then kite Teremus the Devourer to Undercity.

Alliance gets to kite him to SW and IF, but I don't think that'd work so well for horde.

[Pragma]

Yea, Teremus is a hell of a lot of fun to kite. I can get him to IF fairly easily, I've been trying to get people to help me work him all of the way up to UC, but my computer's developed an annoying habit of glitching for 5-10 seconds randomly, which makes kiting damn near impossible.

[Scorps]

You gotta kite for quests?

[Frosstbyte]

Yup. One of the four hunter demons for the bow quest requires you to stay outside of 31 yards or he puts a nasty curse on you so you have to kite him halfway across Winterspring.

Hunters fall into two primary breeds: kiter/runners or jouster/tanks. Kiters learn to kite right from the start and love every second of it. Hal is apparently of that variety. Jousters like to run in, melee a mob, wing clip it and run away. When we pull aggro and FD resists, we throw up deterrance and aspect of the monkey and pray for heals and smack the damn mob in the face so he doesn't go after clothies. I am of the latter type. I tanked a bunch of trash in naxx tonight. I've gotten quite good at it.

Anyway, that demon was the bane of my existance because I'd never really learned to kite. But damn if it didn't teach me how. I don't often kite out of need, but I do it for fun fairly regularly.

On another note, I finally got 6 piece tier 3 tonight. BEST SET BONUS EVER. 50 mana on every ranged crit. With just over 25% crit, that works out to be around 33 mana/5. So awesome. I also look pretty cool.

[Pragma]

Sweet, congrats on the 6-piece CS. That looks pretty awesome. Still using a Zin'rokh though? My hunter was at 8/8DS plus a Zin'rokh before I retired him, now I'm playing a mage and a druid instead.

One of the things I really like about the Cryptstalker set is how it includes things that the previous sets never thought of, like mp5. Makes it that much better for long fights.

I was always one of the kiter type hunters, although I've done my share of the other. Once on broodlord, I had a string of 3 FD resists, so I was just sitting on my hands, hoping not to pull aggro, when all of a sudden the three tanks ahead of me on the threat meter died. Deterrence + monkey + run to position and I ended up tanking broodlord with the Zin'rokh for about 20 seconds while one of the tanks got combat rezzed and sent in. Then I ate an 8k mortal strike and died.

[Halx]

That would be the Claymore of Unholy Might ... something I am drooling over with my warrior.