The World of Warcraft Thread

[Zeraph]

Originally Posted by Halx

Yesterday I got the Bonereaver's Edge. Oh my god, it owns.

I'm taking people down 80% of their life in 2 swings, and I'm unbuffed. Its fuckin' rad!

Thought you were a druid? You change classes?

[Halx]

I have a warrior too

[Frosstbyte]

Speaking of fun new two-handers, I picked this up the other night. Hal and I can go smoke people in the face!

[high_jinx]

Patch 1.12 went live this morning... lookin like cross server bg's are starting. what battlegroup are you guy's servers in?

[Stompy]

Originally Posted by Pain Train

I also hear that Wow is gonna get rid of the twinks some how?

I don't care im not huge on PvP and if I do its with one of my 2 60's

finally got the rouge to 60 yesterday

There's no way they can get rid of twinks. Even if they prevented you from sending gold to one of your other characters, you could still give it to someone else and they could give it right back to you. The only way they could is to remove the blues that you get from running low levels, or putting a minimum level on certain enchants.

Plus I don't really see twinks as being a major issue. I mean, if you have 200g to blow on crusader and whatnot at lv 19, have a blast. It's your cash Personally I can find better things to spend money on, but to each his own.

I can't wait to try xserver bg. I'm so sick of playing with the same crappy horde members against the same ridiculous alliance farm teams. This will even things out a lot more.

[MahlerIsGod]

ANyone else having troubles with WoW post patch (1.12)? I keep getting error messages and it locks up my machine. Is this widespread or just me? Thanks!

[battlemouth]

i just started playing on saturday
im a level 17 undead mage on moonrunner
feel free to help me out if you're on that server! = )

[Frosstbyte]

Mahler, the problem is probably due to the fact that you're using out of date mods. Go to the home page or the download site where you initially got the mods and make sure you download the most recent version. If a new version isn't out yet and that mod is giving you trouble (the error message should give you some idea of what is causing it, otherwise do it by process of elimination), you might just consider disabling the old mods until they do get updated.

This patch has been a mess so far. We barely got any raiding done tonight because it was such a mess. It never ceases to amaze me how much previously unbroken stuff blizzard breaks in any given content patch.

In happier news, after two hundred gold and some horrible number of hours in Silithus, I finally managed to get Earthstrke tonight, so yay for that. The only non-Naxx trinket I'm missing at this point is Drake Fang, and the waiting list for that is too long as it is, so I'll be happy with what I've got.

[Lasereth]

I need Drake Fang Talisman also. According to DKP I might get the second or third one that drops from now, but there's no telling how long that will be.

And yeah, our BWL run was cancelled last night due to our server crashing every 30 minutes for the entire night. It was down for hours on end yesterday, and it's actually STILL down right now. WEEE!!!!!!!!

[Cynthetiq]

we didn't even bother to play last night... we just watched a movie instaed and went to bed early

[dabossy2k]

Ya servers are up and down so I gave up after the second boot. I still have to update my addons also as now more then half of them dont work so guess I wont be at full speed for a while.

[high_jinx]

i got a taste of the xserver bg's yesterday (with a few bugs). Overall........

IT WAS AWESOME!

there were 27 or so wsg's going at a time and even 4 or 5 ab's...for the 20's bracket! unreal!

the coolest thing about all this is that i can get my fix on nite owl time... i have been yearning for some 1am bg's!

edit: hit the post button early

[Halx]

cross server BGs are both good and bad

the good.. I have 24k honor today already
the bad.. the games are SHIT. Unless you have a premade team (which I dont) then you are out of luck. The turnover and lack of coordination are killing me. I also have a sneaking suspicion that honor threshholds are gonna be fucked out of proportion from now on.

[Lasereth]

Ok, my guild is having major troubles on Huhuran in AQ40. We're fine until 30%, but then at 30% everyone is dead before 20%. Any suggestions? The 15-core people on Huhuran are all at 250-320 NR. Is there something with the positioning we're messing up at 30%?? We just drop like flies.

[BuddyHawks]

save pot timers and take a greater NR
save Shield Wall timers
save trinket timers

[Frosstbyte]

Even at 315 NR, you're going to take TONS of damage and really the only reasonable way of doing Huhu is to assign healers to soak tanks.

Priests and druids can usually handle two people each, paladins should have one. Make sure everyone is covered and then put everyone else on the MTs. Also, she does a targeted silence that has a small AE effect so you want to spread the group out around her as much as possible so multiple people don't get silenced.

After that, yeah, save potion times and pop a greater NR pot at 30%, give everyone a healthstone (two if possible) and save all trinket and cooldown abilities. Once you hit 30% it's kill her before she kills you. You can't keep it up much beyond a minute even overgeared for the encounter. Her DPS is just too high.

[seretogis]

Well, it was only a matter of time, but on the 18th I quit WoW. The expansion looks like more failings on Blizzard's part to address the serious issues the game has, and it was simply not worth the hassle and stress to log on anymore.

I look forward to Enemy Territory: Quake Wars coming out in 2007, along with perhaps Warhammer Online.

[Lasereth]

What issues are you referring to?

[Cynthetiq]

yeah what issues?

Sunday night we downed Rag for the first time.... after consistent MC runs for the past 3 months.

[MahlerIsGod]

Question for my hunter brethern: I have gotten my hunter alt to lvl 28 and I just found WSG and I LOVE IT. The only problem is that my main pet adn the one I have used almost exclusively is a bear. He sucks for PvP. I want to go get a cat from Ashenvale or a raptor from the Wetlands. Is there a way to gain my pet XP without me gaining any. If the mob is gray to me and technically not gray to the pet, will it gain XP? Just wondering and thanks!

[high_jinx]

unfortunately, the mob has to be green for the pet to get xp. the only good news is that even the lowest green you can find is a LOT of xp to a lower lvl cat and they catch up to you relatively quickly. if you only just hit 28 and don't have too much rested xp, i reccomend you try to grab "humar the pridelord". not only does he have one of the faster attack speeds in the game at 1.3, he's one of the only if not the only black lion in the whole game. he's a level 23 rarespawn found up the hill and to the right from ratchet in the barrens. you should be able to get him to at least 27 before you turn 30 if you don't turn in quests and just grind away at low greens.

my alternate suggestion is what i think is the most under used pet in the game.....

the carrion bird!

their one of the few pets that can learn both claw AND bite for one, and also they get screeech, which has an awesome aoe effect that breaks rogues outta stealth!

have fun in the gulch

[Xiomar]

Originally Posted by high_jinx

unfortunately, the mob has to be green for the pet to get xp. the only good news is that even the lowest green you can find is a LOT of xp to a lower lvl cat and they catch up to you relatively quickly. if you only just hit 28 and don't have too much rested xp, i reccomend you try to grab "humar the pridelord". not only does he have one of the faster attack speeds in the game at 1.3, he's one of the only if not the only black lion in the whole game. he's a level 23 rarespawn found up the hill and to the right from ratchet in the barrens. you should be able to get him to at least 27 before you turn 30 if you don't turn in quests and just grind away at low greens.

my alternate suggestion is what i think is the most under used pet in the game.....

the carrion bird!

their one of the few pets that can learn both claw AND bite for one, and also they get screeech, which has an awesome aoe effect that breaks rogues outta stealth!

have fun in the gulch

I myself use this black cat for my main. I am, however, leveling Broken Tooth ATM for PVP against those damned casters. haha.

Its a rough lvling, because I am 60 and he.. well... isnt. So is is not able to hold MOBs as he will when he gets closer to my lvl. He is currently resting at 40 something. I have not taken him out, because I am unsure if he will still get XP because I am 60. Im sure he will.. But I just havn't bothered. Just in case.

[Crack]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burni...nd-spells.html

strait from a slashdot article. Mages, enjoy your pet and your invis. gg

[spongy]

Ok, I just spent a week reading this whole effing thread (while I wasn't playing or ya know.... living), and I have a couple of questions.....

I have a lv 16 human Pally Dohrkette
lv 20 human Warrior Thedoh
lv 23 ne Hunter Dohrk

all on Dark Iron server .... what is a good way to spend my talent points on all of these? I also have a bear for my hunter.. Might switch it after what just read.
Also, any ideas of where do get good weapons.. like where they drop... I'm still using like 10.3 dps on all 3 toons?

Finally, for now, should i Learn all the abilities I can as soon as I can or what?

Thanks,
doh

[high_jinx]

Originally Posted by spongy

Ok, I just spent a week reading this whole effing thread (while I wasn't playing or ya know.... living), and I have a couple of questions.....

I have a lv 16 human Pally Dohrkette
lv 20 human Warrior Thedoh
lv 23 ne Hunter Dohrk

all on Dark Iron server .... what is a good way to spend my talent points on all of these? I also have a bear for my hunter.. Might switch it after what just read.
Also, any ideas of where do get good weapons.. like where they drop... I'm still using like 10.3 dps on all 3 toons?

Finally, for now, should i Learn all the abilities I can as soon as I can or what?

Thanks,
doh

pally... most important talent to me is improved blessing of freedom, after that it's up to you.

warrior.... most imp. talent to me is tactical mastery, then up to you.

hunter... i put 5 into imp. concuss shot, then the rest in survival and love it... 1 or 2 in humanoid slaying, the rest in tier one in parry, then imp wingclip, then start improving your traps and get deterrence when you can.


ok weapons.....

palli... you can buy a "face smasher" for a few gold, then at 18 quest for an arctic buckler shield and for 2hand a "glacial stone" (this is a very difficult quest but worth it)

warrior...same glacial stone for 2hand and then i'd reccomend a skeletal club that you can buy for onehand.
don't dual wield, you miss too often.

hunter... same thing w/ dual wielding.. i reccomend the best 2hand axe or staff you can get your hands on that has agility and/or stamina.... for a gun, a double barrel shotgun and hi-tech supergun can be bought and are both round your level...

good luck!

Originally Posted by Xiomar

I myself use this black cat for my main. I am, however, leveling Broken Tooth ATM for PVP against those damned casters. haha.

Its a rough lvling, because I am 60 and he.. well... isnt. So is is not able to hold MOBs as he will when he gets closer to my lvl. He is currently resting at 40 something. I have not taken him out, because I am unsure if he will still get XP because I am 60. Im sure he will.. But I just havn't bothered. Just in case.

if you have cheap respeccing as an option i reccomend speccing survival if your not and then holding aggro on mobs for your pet...take growl off. there are plenty of talents in survival that will let your root or kite mobs while you level the cat.

[MahlerIsGod]

Wow!!!!!! Wow!!!! These new cross-server PvP games are going to make it soooo much harder to advance PvP rank wise. I just started PvPing with my hunter just this last week and I think I have 2 dozen WSG victories (double that in loses) and about 400 honorable kills to my name and I got Private. Private!!!! I thought for sure I would make Corporal so that I could at least get my trinket but I still have a quarter of a bar to go to get there. I remember I got Private on my main toon a few months ago with just 35 few kills and like 2 game sof WSG.

P.S I know its about honor gained and not kills/games but its a good indication of the time spent in pursuit of said honor.

[-Ever-]

Originally Posted by seretogis

Well, it was only a matter of time, but on the 18th I quit WoW. The expansion looks like more failings on Blizzard's part to address the serious issues the game has, and it was simply not worth the hassle and stress to log on anymore.

Wow for real? Did you sell your account or just stop playing it for the time being? That must be a pretty heavy hit to the guild considering that you seem to lead it quite well.

There goes my underlying hopes to one day transfer to Mannoroth, join Predestined, and raid with you

[YaWhateva]

Originally Posted by MahlerIsGod

Wow!!!!!! Wow!!!! These new cross-server PvP games are going to make it soooo much harder to advance PvP rank wise. I just started PvPing with my hunter just this last week and I think I have 2 dozen WSG victories (double that in loses) and about 400 honorable kills to my name and I got Private. Private!!!! I thought for sure I would make Corporal so that I could at least get my trinket but I still have a quarter of a bar to go to get there. I remember I got Private on my main toon a few months ago with just 35 few kills and like 2 game sof WSG.

P.S I know its about honor gained and not kills/games but its a good indication of the time spent in pursuit of said honor.

Ya, for like 4 days i did nothing but BG and I got 800 HK's and I made 40K Honor and I went from Scout to Sergeant. Lol in that whole time we only lost 2 BG's and I topped the Killing Blows on most of the battles. Good ol'e Shadow Priests.

[Halx]

So, I racked up 250k honor, which is INSANE compared to what I've done in the past, and I gained a full rank. At this pace, it'll take me 2 more weeks to hit rank 10. I think I wanna go for rank 13 though.. I dunno if I can do it.

[YaWhateva]

What's the rank that you need to be at in order to buy the elite mount for 90g?

[Frosstbyte]

Rank 11 (Commander) gives the 90g epic mounts as rewards.

[Lasereth]

Originally Posted by Halx

So, I racked up 250k honor, which is INSANE compared to what I've done in the past, and I gained a full rank. At this pace, it'll take me 2 more weeks to hit rank 10. I think I wanna go for rank 13 though.. I dunno if I can do it.

Get to 10 at least. The rank 10 armor is completely ridiculously overpowered for warriors. It rivals all BWL gear (except the boots and gloves, but they're still not bad). You won't replace the shoulders, head, chest, or legs until AQ 40.

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Rank 11 (Commander) gives the 90g epic mounts as rewards.

Really

I gotta get going then...only 8 more ranks to go

[YaWhateva]

rank 11 shouldn't be TOO bad...

[Lokus]

Hah, that really depends on the server. On Dragonblight there is a level 59 HWL. And a druid to boot. To get 2nd standing, he only needed 500k honor. On a server like that, getting rank 11 should be relatively easy but there are other servers where you need 1 million plus honor to get standing 1. The rank 11 grind would take much much longer there. In fact, I know a guy on my server who is getting rank 14 on a new server then transferring to an established server just because he can do it so much quicker.

[seretogis]

Originally Posted by -Ever-

Wow for real? Did you sell your account or just stop playing it for the time being? That must be a pretty heavy hit to the guild considering that you seem to lead it quite well.

There goes my underlying hopes to one day transfer to Mannoroth, join Predestined, and raid with you

I just stopped playing and uninstalled. I don't plan on selling my account just in case Predestined needs it again for some reason. I'm sure Predestined will do just fine -- I tried to make sure the new officers were comfortable and playing well together before I dropped the bomb.

Originally Posted by Crack

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burni...nd-spells.html

strait from a slashdot article. Mages, enjoy your pet and your invis. gg

I hope that's a joke. The pet is likely not worth the 18s reagent, and invisibility in that form is completely worthless. You can't use it to sneak up on people because you can only see people who can see you while invis. You can't use it to escape because it takes EIGHT SECONDS before you even go invisible. Imagine if Rogues' "vanish" didn't make them stealthed until eight seconds passes, and you will [hopefully] see how completely worthless Mages' Invisibility will be. Oh yeah, and Warlocks can cast a buff on their entire raid to completely negate the already-worthless spell. "gg" as you said.

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

yeah what issues?

Sunday night we downed Rag for the first time.... after consistent MC runs for the past 3 months.

PvP: In beta PvP had the potential to be a whole lot of fun -- city raids were a big deal, and excessive ganking of lower level players was discouraged with dishonor. Instead, in release, they take away dishonor from player kills and instead slap it on seemingly random "Civilian" mobs in cities, to discourage the main-event in terms of world-pvp. This forces everyone into farming CP (an experience-point-equivelant) in instanced mini-games called battlegrounds. Thus, Blizzard completely destroys any semblence of PvP. The idiotic sand-carrying bullshit they have planned to encourage world PvP in Silithus / EP just echoes my hand->forehead slapping.

Itemization: I can't even break down into seperate points how horrid itemization is and has been since mid-closed-beta. Blizzard has no idea how to balance across class-archetypes and this is made apparent with every set of gear / weapon they introduce. Melee dps and survivability scale upwards while caster dps keeps up but at the expensive of survivability and longevity. To fix this, they introduce AC-heavy epic cloth pieces with practically no damage or other stats. It's almost as if their item designers have never seen the other items in the game while they're making their own.

High-end PvE raiding and poor development process: As much fun as it is to drop something for the first time, the process required to get there is unnecessarily idiotic thanks to the absolute lack of effort on the part of Blizzard's dev/testing team. This was most apparent in Ahn'Qiraj where encounters like Fankriss and Huhuran changed every week in substantial ways. In what other industry do you EXPECT to get a 1/4-finished product and HOPE that it is fixed a month after it's released? Not any industry that makes any money, that's for sure. The only reason Blizzard's WoW is still in business is because the vast majority of their fanbase are still level 44, or working on previous instances (which those of us doing the new content have tested and tuned for you, at our expense.) As for non-raiding-related examples, Blizzard is so scatter-brained when it comes to "fixing" problems that it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. In order to fix Mages' being retardedly powerful in beta they introduce several possible solutions: a) nerf Pyroblast, b) stack STA on raid gear to lessen one-shotting, c) fix Invisibility to drop upon the START of a cast. Rather than pick one of these, they do al three, reducing Pyroblast to a completely useless spell, giving everyone except casters formerly-Warrior-levels of HP, and removing Invisibility entirely from the game (even though the functionality which caused it to be removed was fixed in 1.10). Rather than fix some issues, they go completely overboard and then in an attempt to win favor of the masses take a 1/16th step back months later, such as the horrid and useless re-implementation of Invisibility in the expansion.

The "Shaman Fix" and general Band-Aid mentality: Horde were promised by Eyeonix that Shamans were going to be getting retooled. Instead, it seems, we are getting Paladins and that is supposed to somehow "fix" the fact that Shamans are and have been nowhere near the worth of a Paladin on raids. This was done repeatedly and is simply a temporary band-aid to "fix" a problem by covering it up and hoping people stop noticing the pain.

All in all, WoW is a game that could have been so much more and has become nothing but a marketing-driven paper-doll game for the bnet crowd. Sad, yet I really should have expected it.

[Kurant]

^^

True story.

Except the PvP part. I played WoW beta as far back as alpha. Our guild was one of the ones selected in the 2nd stage of Alpha when Ironforge opened. You can find old IRC logs on the net from Blizzard chats in IRC and on the beta boards, but BG's were mentioned before the mass beta invites even began.

It was quite clear what this game was to become, and it has. It has inherant flaws in the itemization system, because the PvP aspect of the game was fairly new in beta testing. It was said more then once it was never a true part of WOrld of Warcraft, therefore, you have horrible itemization from a PvP aspect, and in PvE. (the reality of it is, no one gives a shit about it in PvE.)

I have a BWL geared mage, and rogue, and quit raiding when my son was born. About 6 months after that, I quit all together. But, WoW is what it is, its a cash register, nothing more. Everyone can play it, to a certian standpoint, simply because it caters to all kinds of gamers. (WoW in no way shape of form is as hardcore as previous MMO's I played, namely, UO.) 20 hours a week with 40 consistant people, and you can learn most of the encounters in a pretty good time frame. I mean, it took us 3 weeks to down Razorgore and Vael, 9 days later Nefarian was dead.

So, all in all. It's WoW. Hate it, or love it. Personally, I think it sucks.

Open PvP please.

[seretogis]

Originally Posted by Kurant

Except the PvP part. I played WoW beta as far back as alpha. Our guild was one of the ones selected in the 2nd stage of Alpha when Ironforge opened. You can find old IRC logs on the net from Blizzard chats in IRC and on the beta boards, but BG's were mentioned before the mass beta invites even began.

Read your manual -- the honor/dishonor system was broken down and reconstructed as something to discourage city raids instead of something to discourage "unfair" PvP and encourage large-scale even-level battles. Why? Large scale PvP taxed their servers and would have made them do work if it happened often (AQ event on PvP servers = DOZENS of crashes in one night..)

[Frosstbyte]

The shaman-paladin problem and the 40->25 change is really the nail in the coffin for a LOT of players. In Warcraft I,II and III and Starcraft, Blizzard was amazingly adept at creating very different races with diferent playstyles but balanced against each other. In WoW, everything they learned about that took a huge shit in a corner and smeared it all over a computer. Raids are not able to be balanced with one side who has an offensive support/light healing class against another side that has a defensive support/light healing class.

The horde/alliance "balance" should've been that alliance have longer fights because we have more survivability and horde have shorter fighs because their DPS was higher. What happened instead is that alliance had a higher aggro ceiling and kings worked better than windfury, so alliance got better survivability AND the ability to do more DPS. Fucking design geniuses working out there. Imagine how salvation+windfury would've balanced stam/spirit/int version of kings and blessing of wisdom. Is that so amazingly difficult to figure out?

Also to echo Sere, itemization has been a constant stab yourself in the eye. Ocassionally there's an item that's a stroke of genius. The high end BWL non-class trinkets are so perfectly crafted for each group-tanking, physical dps, caster dps and healing-it's painful how seldom they drop. Then you have inexplicably stupid crap like a crossbow off chrom being the best hunter weapon in the game until Kel'Thuzad dies or feral loot in raids or drama inducing stat combinations like the end of dreams.

I will watch Kel'Thuzad die with Drama proudly sitting under my name, but I have no idea if I'll buy the xpac, and if I do, how I'll play it.

[Lasereth]

I'm still having a blast with the game. The only thing I don't like is when people in my guild fuck others over. We constantly have people getting full tier 1 (and in some cases full tier 2 and nefarian loot) and then gquitting or just quitting the game out of the blue for no apparent reason. Our unbelievable lack of mages has cancelled multiple AQ 40 raids, slowing our progress to a halt. I don't see how players can get 30+ epics from a guild, raid with them for a year, and then just gquit for literally no reason other than "wanting a change." That screws over our guild so badly.