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Old 05-14-2004, 07:57 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Why would that change now, after all those 'suprerior' competitors came and went without any fuss? And remember, this isn't the sequel to the GBA. That's still in the works. The new system that will coincide with the N5 will very probably blow the PSP out of the water.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:48 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I think the DS will be great in its own respects. I like Nintendo and I will own both. But the DS so far does not have near the power the PSP has. Not to mention Playstation has lots more third party developers than Nintendo. Hell I still say the Neo Geo Pocket Color rules.
as far as the third party developers....you are so wrong its not even funny. the GBA has so many games from so many developers.....actually EVERY developer makes games for the GBA. and all those who supported the GBA have jumped on the DS bandwagon. you simply cannot say that nintendo has no support. the GC has no support, but the GBA and DS are on another leve..

Activision: Spiderman 2
Atari: Project TBA
Bandai: One Piece, other games TBA
Banpresto: Dragon Ball Z
Capcom: Megaman Battle Network, Viewtiful Joe DS, Gyakuten Saiban
Electronic Arts: Need for Speed
From Software Project TBA
Hudson: Bomberman, other projects TBA
Koei: Dynasty Warriors
Konami: Frogger 2005, Yu-Gi-Oh: Nightmare Troubadour
Majesco: Project TBA
Namco: Mr. Driller, TBA RPG
Sega: Project Rub
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Egg Monster Hero, Dragon Quest Monsters
Tecmo: Monster Rancher
THQ: Spongebob Squarepants
Ubisoft: Rayman
Vivendi: Project TBA

just look at the games coming out for the DS, and these are just the big names. Viewtful Joe, FF, DRAGON QUEST, Dynasty Warriors.
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Old 05-14-2004, 10:50 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Indeed. Plus it plays all existing GBA games, so number of titles sure as hell ain't an issue.
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:40 AM   #44 (permalink)
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some guy took a video camera around and played some of the DS games. i must say it looks pretty damn impressive.
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:18 PM   #45 (permalink)
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i have also just been informed that the PSP will play movies........but not dvds. yeah, thats right. any movies that you want to watch have to be first put on one of those UMD discs. and as far as that goes i dont think we'll see anybody start selling movies like that.

and then i also found this article....


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Sony To Unveil `PSP' Gadget; Buzz Isn't All Good (Dow Jones News Service)
Updated: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 05:31PM ET
(From THE ASIAN WALL STREET JOURNAL)
By Phred Dvorak

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Square Enix: "Will it be a game machine or a video Walkman?" asks Michihiro Sasaki, general manager of corporate strategy at Japanese video-game maker Square Enix Co. "We're still not sure what Sony wants to do with it -- that's a problem."

Mr. Sasaki says Square Enix, known for its Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy games, eventually hopes to provide content for the PSP but wants to hear more about the PSP's business model before deciding what to prepare.

Konami: "It would be better if [the PSP] were just a game machine," says Kazumi Kitaue, executive in charge of video games at Konami Corp., which puts out the popular Metal Gear Solid series. "It's silly to talk about watching movies anywhere anytime; you want to concentrate."

Mr. Kitaue says that Konami has started developing games for the PSP and that he has high hopes for the machine. But he worries that the product release could be delayed in Japan -- as it was in the U.S.
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Old 05-14-2004, 01:17 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Id be sold if I could watch movies on the PSP, or atleast have an add on for it.
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Old 05-14-2004, 07:00 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Well, you can, but you need to buy the minidiscs for the movies. There's a movie watching thang for the GBA, so it's not a new innovation from Sony.
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Old 05-14-2004, 07:22 PM   #48 (permalink)
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huh, that's weird. everywhere else i've read says sony hasn't announced a price point but speculates it won't be any cheaper than 250.

IGN reported on the 11th...

http://psp.ign.com/articles/513/513479p1.html

(last paragraph)

JUST MY OPINION: 10 hours of battery life coming from a company that is a year away from releasing this hardware sounds a lot like 4-5 hours when i'm actually using the unit. it's just the way it works... nearly all companies wildly inflate battery life estimates. they use theoretical figures under the most ideal conditions.
Damn Sorry man, I just saw the rerun of the E3 Live on TechTv today again. I heard it wrong, the guy say ps2 will cost 149, not psp.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:40 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:29 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Well, you can, but you need to buy the minidiscs for the movies. There's a movie watching thang for the GBA, so it's not a new innovation from Sony.
but it is actually good quaility from sony
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:08 AM   #51 (permalink)
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some guy took a video camera around and played some of the DS games. i must say it looks pretty damn impressive.


problems with the DS. THe guy in the video says "great 3-d engine, great 3d graphics", but lets face it, psp looks a thousand times better....anyways, also, who wants to play metroid with a stick? i mean, you point at the bad guy, and he dies, there is no aiming, just shove the stick in his face....its cool they have come up with new ideas, and i think the touch screen will be really cool and fun, but i dont want to play metroid prime with a stick, anyways, how do you jump if your left hand moves, and your right is holding the pointer? Psp has an analog stick, that sells me right there.
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:09 AM   #52 (permalink)
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i have also just been informed that the PSP will play movies........but not dvds. yeah, thats right. any movies that you want to watch have to be first put on one of those UMD discs. and as far as that goes i dont think we'll see anybody start selling movies like that.

and then i also found this article....


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Square has already annouced that FF7:Advent Children, the movie, will be released on UMD format, and DVD. Lets hope that we will beable to burn or download information onto a blank UMD disc, or at least illegally do it
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:12 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Activision: Spiderman 2
Atari: Project TBA
Bandai: One Piece, other games TBA
Banpresto: Dragon Ball Z
Capcom: Megaman Battle Network, Viewtiful Joe DS, Gyakuten Saiban
Electronic Arts: Need for Speed
From Software Project TBA
Hudson: Bomberman, other projects TBA
Koei: Dynasty Warriors
Konami: Frogger 2005, Yu-Gi-Oh: Nightmare Troubadour
Majesco: Project TBA
Namco: Mr. Driller, TBA RPG
Sega: Project Rub
Square Enix: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Egg Monster Hero, Dragon Quest Monsters
Tecmo: Monster Rancher
THQ: Spongebob Squarepants
Ubisoft: Rayman
Vivendi: Project TBA

just look at the games coming out for the DS, and these are just the big names. Viewtful Joe, FF, DRAGON QUEST, Dynasty Warriors.
Well there you go, color me stupid. Ya i was mostly talking about the GC for some dumb reason. dont get me wrong i love my GBA and I still like Nintendo, and you telling me that Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest will be on the DS makes me oh so very very happy. Now i will own a PSP and a DS. weeee
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:15 AM   #54 (permalink)
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show me an annoucement that ff and dq will be on DS. im not saying its true, but i havent read that yet.
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:32 AM   #55 (permalink)
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http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strategy...cid_e3_103.asx


Sign up, its free. Check out these PSP hands on videos. Very very awesome.
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Old 05-15-2004, 03:21 AM   #56 (permalink)
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problems with the DS. THe guy in the video says "great 3-d engine, great 3d graphics", but lets face it, psp looks a thousand times better....anyways, also, who wants to play metroid with a stick? i mean, you point at the bad guy, and he dies, there is no aiming, just shove the stick in his face....its cool they have come up with new ideas, and i think the touch screen will be really cool and fun, but i dont want to play metroid prime with a stick, anyways, how do you jump if your left hand moves, and your right is holding the pointer? Psp has an analog stick, that sells me right there.
I'm pretty sure that they've managed to get a decent control scheme out. Just because it looks like MP doesn't mean it has to control the exact same way, does it?
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Old 05-15-2004, 04:19 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I'm sold on the DS. There's a few things I'm worried about on the PSP: size, the screen being scratchtastic, and battery life. Not to mention proprietary movie discs and such. The DS already has a library of GBA games, most importantly MY library of GBA games, and if it has backwards compatibility, also Flash GBA carts for all your retro NES gaming needs, too. Now if those emulator kids figure out a way to use the WiFi with some old NES games, that's pure hotness.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:34 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Why would you want to watch a movie on like a 4 inch screen?

Doesn't seem that enjoyable to me.
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:33 AM   #59 (permalink)
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show me an annoucement that ff and dq will be on DS. im not saying its true, but i havent read that yet.
I HOPE THIS IS SUFFICE

i think IGN is as reliable as anyone else when it came to E3 coverage, so i doubt that they are pulling this out of their ass.
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:35 AM   #60 (permalink)
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problems with the DS. THe guy in the video says "great 3-d engine, great 3d graphics", but lets face it, psp looks a thousand times better....anyways, also, who wants to play metroid with a stick? i mean, you point at the bad guy, and he dies, there is no aiming, just shove the stick in his face....its cool they have come up with new ideas, and i think the touch screen will be really cool and fun, but i dont want to play metroid prime with a stick, anyways, how do you jump if your left hand moves, and your right is holding the pointer? Psp has an analog stick, that sells me right there.
show me a gameplay vid of the PSP, then we'll talk....cuzz pretty much every pic and vid that i've seen is just CG and FMV's running on the PSP, nothing is in-game play footage.

but i do agree with you on the stick thing. i really hope that when this game comes out the stick will be optional.
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Old 05-15-2004, 01:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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This is the kind of shot that scares the crap out of me with the PSP:



The main reason I love my GBA SP is the size. Grant it, the DS will be larger, but for integrated Wifi and the like, I know the size has to increase....But, this doesn't easily slip into my work bag.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:33 PM   #62 (permalink)
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show me a gameplay vid of the PSP, then we'll talk....cuzz pretty much every pic and vid that i've seen is just CG and FMV's running on the PSP, nothing is in-game play footage.

but i do agree with you on the stick thing. i really hope that when this game comes out the stick will be optional.
Actually i already linked to a site with live footage. Why dont you read the thread first.


http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strateg...acid_e3_103.asx
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Old 05-16-2004, 01:11 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Well I have to say that both handhelds should be awesome... but I will have to agree that if the PSP's only advantage is its extra power, it is not going to last. The Gameboy has a ton of support for it... and thats not to say that the PSP is not going to be great but I think that relying on graphics alone will become its doom.

That said I will most likely buy both as soon as a good game comes out for it.
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Old 05-16-2004, 09:07 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I have no plans on getting either one of them; I'm sure they'll both kick ass, but I'm not really a hand-held portable gamer. The only thing I really wanted to say was this: N64 was awesome, in my humble opinion, so the DS sounds good to me, plus it strikes me as more innovative.
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Old 05-16-2004, 11:06 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Actually i already linked to a site with live footage. Why dont you read the thread first.


http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strateg...acid_e3_103.asx
link's dead my friend

but i did some searching of my own and found some. their is no doubt that the PSP is impressive. but i do have a concern. trying to show that much detail on a small screen will do wonders for the eyes. imagine playing Halo or Metroid Prime or GTA3 on a 9 inch screen. that would suck ass.....now half the size again. i know that my eyes would be killing me in not too long at all.

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Old 05-16-2004, 01:31 PM   #66 (permalink)
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what kind of movies is this thing (psp) going to play?

is it a proprietary format where movie studios are going to have to make a psp version of their film? is it going to have a pc interface to write files to it? divx? mpeg2?

if sony thinks that people are going to buy movies that will only play on their psp... i think they're sorely mistaken. hopefully there is some way to watch the movies you already have by re-encoding them.
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Old 05-16-2004, 03:10 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Yeah, would you rather pay to buy a movie to watch on a TV or a 4 inch screen?

To me, people who get handhelds just want games.
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Old 05-17-2004, 06:21 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Here's something I found with a quick google search:

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Sony has revealed some new information about the UMD media used in the PSP. Even though from a technology point of view the disks are recordable, Sony has no plans to sell a PSP model (or any other device) capable of recording in order to prevent game piracy. This squashes rumors that the UMD format was a replacement for the MiniDisk format that is popular in Japan
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Old 05-21-2004, 10:22 PM   #69 (permalink)
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This is the kind of shot that scares the crap out of me with the PSP:



The main reason I love my GBA SP is the size. Grant it, the DS will be larger, but for integrated Wifi and the like, I know the size has to increase....But, this doesn't easily slip into my work bag.
Jeez, look at the screen on that PSP compared to gamegear. Makes me want a PSP even more.

Fanboy comments aside, I think the PSP is definitely a superior console. No need to call me biased, look at the screenshots. Look at the specs. Look at the screen size. Look at the features. The only things that the DS excel in are the touchscreen, and the fact that games will run faster on cartriges than on the CD media that PSP uses. Nintendo also has its popular franchises to milk while the Sony/PSP doesn't really have any big name franchises to milk. I guess we'll see how it turns out after they're both out... I think nintendo will be safe as long as they keep releasing pokemons and remakes of old games that have already been made.
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Old 05-22-2004, 09:47 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Although its true that NDS is not an N64, it is considerably cheaper than PSP, plus it can be used as a palm type computer. Also, PSP will be MSRP $699 USD, and NDS MSRP $299. So now that you know the prices, you can decide again.
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Jeez, look at the screen on that PSP compared to gamegear. Makes me want a PSP even more.
Looks like it will snap quite nicely if you hit it in the right place.
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Old 05-23-2004, 04:04 AM   #73 (permalink)
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The cost of the psp could be its downfall. Parents arent going to spend 250-600 dollars on a system there kid could easly lose or break
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Old 05-23-2004, 07:13 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Jeez, look at the screen on that PSP compared to gamegear. Makes me want a PSP even more
Funny, the screen is exactly why I have no interest. The thing is enormous. The thing is anything but "portable".
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Old 05-23-2004, 11:39 PM   #75 (permalink)
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SONY just fucked up royally.....i guess you could say the pwned themselves.


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According to ITmedia, Kutaragi surprised the reporters present by making several cryptic comments after the conference had ended. ITmedia quoted Kutaragi as saying that the PSP "is expected to be used inside the house. No one would walk around while playing games." Though he might have been talking about basic pedestrian safety, his words stood in direct contrast to Sony's PSP presentation at E3, which touted its portability.

i now ask the question....what's the point?

i'm just going to take a quote that i found from someone concerning this and just give him the credit.

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We have the GCN. The current generation console. So why have the GBA? Well.. for one, it offers us the 2D games that we simply would not be getting on the GCN since console owners expect more from a game than just great gameplay it seems. The bigger point is that it is portable. A system where we can play games when we aren't at home in front of the tv.

So where does the DS fit in? We already have a portable system.. that does things that the GCN cannot.. well the DS offers us two-screens (which is simply put.. something the GBA does not), touchpad, microphone, WiFi.. things we cannot get from either the GCN or the GBA. This really shows how all three pillars are justified their existance simultaneously (although I DO have to wonder what incentive there will be for the GB line to continue its existance when the things that it did offer unique of the main consoles is now covered by the DS plus so much more).

Now.. the PS2 is the current generation console from Sony. With it's graphical capabilities around the range of the PS2, it isn't offering us games we simply could not get with the PS2.. WiFi is different, but going through the network adapter of the PS2 is just as good.. and will be discussed in my next point..

The big thing that could justify the PSP as it's own separate entity is it's portability. With WiFi, you could not only play games on the go, but play online games on the go. However, with the durability we have come to not expect from Sony, coupled in with lower battery life, and the fact that people from the company itself are saying it isn't meant to be played outside the home.. well the portability factor that makes it so individual from the PS2 is completely thrown out the window.

So what do we have? We have a small system that gives us games that we could be playing on our PS2, on a larger screen.. online capabilities that we already have with the PS2.. and the PSP being a system meant for the home, which we already have with the PS2.

I'm not trying to put down the system just to be an ass.. I am just saying that Sony is obviously trying to prey on the handheld market, by forcing you to buy a separate machine so that you could play games which could have just been developed for the PS2 and saved you the extra cash you would have to dish out for the PSP.

There is no reason why any of the games on the PSP couldn't be done on the PS2.

EDIT: That only covered the game aspect of the comparison, so I guess I have a bit more to touch on.

First, the PSP lets you play movies. Not Lord of the Rings/Titanic length movies mind you.. but movies. Now, you have to buy these movies on the new format to watch them on your PSP, have to watch them on a small screen, and going by what the Sony guy said.. watch them at home.

Now let's look at the PS2. It let's you play movies. Lord of the Rings/Titantic length movies no less. You can play the regular dvds that you play in your dvd player already, you get to watch them on whatever sized screen you want, and you watch them at home.

The movie aspect of the PSP just seems useless to me. It really isn't a real selling point of the system.

Now.. MP3s.. that is a point I DO have to give to the PSP in being separate from the PS2. Even if Sony offered (or offers if they already have one and I am just dense) an MP3 player that let you play mp3s on your PS2 and store them on your harddrive.. well that would just be useless when you have a PC nearby to do the same thing. Now, with no visuals.. the PSP will go for 10 hours with your mp3s.. so, besides the comments from the Sony guy and the durability uncertainty, it does lend itself to being more portable in that situation. However.. why would you ever want to pay more than you have to for an mp3 player?

So.. the selling point isn't mp3 playability.. or movie viewing capabilities.. or games that couldn't be done anywheres else.. or the portability aspect.. then what IS the selling point? What is the point of getting it? Just think it looks cool and want to wear it around you neck like those cool people on the stairs?
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I wonder how one will be able to mod these systems. Those zany modders are always coming up with some insane methods

GBA is easy because you just make a 512 meg flash cart and store the ROMs on it. GameCube has the Phantasy Star exploit. These two systems will be interesting.. anyone know if the DS is a cart or a CD-based system?
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Old 05-24-2004, 04:52 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I'm not sure, but I heard its going to be cd based with a 1.8 gig minidisc.
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I wonder how one will be able to mod these systems. Those zany modders are always coming up with some insane methods

GBA is easy because you just make a 512 meg flash cart and store the ROMs on it. GameCube has the Phantasy Star exploit. These two systems will be interesting.. anyone know if the DS is a cart or a CD-based system?
its a flash card type thing....like the ones for digital cameras. the PSP uses Ultra Mini Discs
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:13 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I think they're both going to pnz and will probably buy both of them. I've always loved me some handheld gaming and I play my GBA almost everyday.

DS and PSP how I love thee let me count the ways.

DS:
1.Touchscreen: Best idea ever.
2. Wireless onlineplay: I know PSP has this too but this is a big plus considering its coming from Nintendo. Does it mean they will be bringing some Gamecube games online too? I hope so.

PSP:
1.Graphics: All I have to say is wow.
2. UMD: The DS cards are supposed to have a large capacity but they probably won't be as large as this.

Conclusion:
I want them both.
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Old 05-24-2004, 10:41 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Hmmmmmmmmm.

PS2 games on a little handheld, or on my HDTV?

my buddy has a Sony handheld dvd player.. it barely gets through 2 average-length movies on full battery. And it doesnt have a cpu, graphic processor, or wireless connectivity

Until I see some battery-life stats, and how many original titles it will have, DS plz
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