theburner

Lasereth.. Do you work for Sony? Everyone else came and stated their preference and moved on, yet you feel the need to rebut every Xbox claim? Not starting a flame war here, just interested in why you seem so gung ho to sell Johnnyrock a PS2 platform. For Sports games PS2 is better. However, Jan 01/04 EA Sports is going to start providing every PS2 Sports title on Xbox with Live support. So that is going to level the playing field there. Basically EA was in bed with Sony, that is why MS had to produce sports games of their own (Topspin, Fever, NHL...). However, now that MS is hitting HUGE numbers on Live, ALL of the game companies are starting to work with Xbox.
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Tempboy

XBOX!

I modded mine, and I have every single NES and SNES game ever made on it.

Playstation 1 emulation is possible too (with some minor quirks).

That makes it 4 consoles in 1. How can you go wrong??

Lasereth

It just seems that not one single damned person is reading his wants from a console. Take the previous post, for example. JOHNNY stated that he wanted sports games, NO INTERNET support, and action/fantasy games. He does NOT want a modded console, NES games, SNES games, or an PS1 emulator. All of those reasons are useless to him!

This isn't a simple matter of "which console is better." No, it's a matter of "which console should Johnny buy for his wants." He wants the three things I mentioned above, and those are the only three reasons that should be taken into consideration when buying his console.

Yes, XBox Live is doing great, and it's fabulous that EA is going to release games on XBox as well now, but Johnny does NOT want Internet console games. He said it himself! He's not interested. So why should he buy a console for the fact that it has Internet gaming?

The PS2 has sports games. It has the same sports games as XBox, and most of the time they're a bit better than the XBox games. He's not interested in Internet gaming, so he doesn't need an XBox (since XBox Live is kicking ass right now). He wants action and fantasy games as well, both of which the PS2 have to offer.

I'm telling him the console he needs to buy based on his OWN criteria.

I'll say it again: this is NOT a console war! This is not a matter of which is best! This is a matter of which console is best for JohnnyRock. He gave criteria he wants, and I'm telling him which console meets those criteria the best.

Half of the replies on this thread are mentioning how awesome XBox Live is, how awesome the modding is on XBox, how cool Metroid Prime is, how cool ripping songs is...but HE DID NOT say he wanted that, nor did he say that was what he'd buy a console for. Those are all great reasons to buy a console...if he said "which is best." But he didn't. He asked which has the best sports games, doesn't concern Internet gaming heavily, and has the most/best action/fantasy games.

If someone started a Console Wars® thread (please don't) then everyone's reasons would work. But they don't here. The only three things that matter is if the console has lots of good sports games, action games, and fantasy games. The PS2 suits these three criteria the best. It's not any simpler than that.

I'm just trying to prevent Johnny from buying a system because of something he doesn't want -- i.e. modding, hard drives, ripping, emulation, internet gaming, and better graphics with poorer control.

-Lasereth

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Redjake

Hello! You guys are giving this "Johnny" guy all the things he DOESN'T want! All this guy wants is some good sports games, fantasy games, and some action games. The console that has the most choices for those specific genres is the Playstation 2, whether anyone likes it or not. I have all three consoles, like a lot of people here, so I am not biasing. I play all three an equal amount. But for those three genres, you would want PS2. It just has more games for each genre. Not to mention you can take the SAME genres and apply them to PS1 games, and open up all those games too (backwards compatability).


This guy doesn't care about modding out hard drives and internet playability, or even haxoring his console to play every whatever game for whatever system. He just wants a lot of games for those three genres. PS2 has it covered the best. The most RPGs, the most action games, and the most Sports games. Yes, other consoles have Sports games, and some RPGs, and some action games, but not as many as the PS2.

Read his post for what it's worth. Half the stuff you guys are replying with doesn't match his criteria. I'd be as pissed as Lasereth also if everyone kept ignoring what he and the original "Johnny" post said.

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theburner

Lasereth.. No doubt, people aren't replying to what Johnny wants, but what they think Johnny should get. NO DOUBT. There are only 2 RPG's for Xbox I know of, so that should eliminate that platform right there.
Just for giggles.. I think I am going to Start a Console War Thread!!!!

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Lasereth

Step away from the keyboard with your hands up!

Man, I'm not even touching a console wars thread. You're asking for it.

-Lasereth

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theburner

Ok TFP Gamers, time to say your peace in the Platform WARS.. Which platform is the best to game on right now? PS1? PS2? Xbox? PC? SNES? N64? GameCUBE?

Let me know what you think!

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xbox

in my point of view the best games (ok ok i miss FFX too) , xbox live is great and the not much kiddie content like gc

imho

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twister002

Mainly the online aspect, XBox live really is a sweet system for playing games online. The buddy list, games request. The PS/2 doesn't have anything as unified as that for playing online.

The built in hard drive and the ability to d/l new content for games you own is cool. PS/2 doesn't have that.

BTW i'm only compaing it to the PS/2 because the GC's online component is, for all pratical purposes, non-existant. I love my little black box with the orange eye but it's an island unto itself.

The graphics are better on the Xbox than the PS/2, thus the sports games will look nicer and since the PS/2 and Xbox share a lot of the same sports games, I'd rather have the nicer graphics given then same price point.

Personally the Xbox had more games (GTA3, MechWarrior, HALO, Crimson Skies, Morrowind, KOTR, future Doom3 and Half-life 2) that I wanted to play than the PS/2(GTA3, FF XI, Jak2)

I outlined my reasons for buying an XBox and why I liked my GC. I didn't see any need to tear down the PS/2 because it's a perfectly fine console if you like the games that are out for it. If the PS/2 cost as much as the GC, I might have bought it instead of a GC.

I told him to look at the sports titles on the GC and see if he liked them. If he did, he can save $100 and buy a GC (or buy 2 or 3 of the GC sports titles to go with the GC when he buys it with the left over $100)

If not, I pointed to the XBox for reasons that I thought made it a better choice than the PS/2. Whether or not he wants use them. You haven't defined what makes the PS/2 sports titles "better" than the same title on the Xbox? Are the players smarter on the PS/2 version? Does Detroit not suck in Madden 2004 for the PS/2?

twister002

BTW here is what he orignally said "not overly interested" doesn't equal "never, ever, ever, want to play online"

twister002

GBA, it's the smallest and I can take it wherever I go.

theburner

Twister: Always wanted a GBA.. How cool are they? How many games are avail? Is the screen too small?

Help, inquiring minds want to know!

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Twister002: U R so right about Live. I really didn't think it would interest me (not really a PC Gamer due to "mods" and "hacks".) However, Live is the BOMB. Instead of predictable AI you play very unpredictable people. Not to mention your friends list. I have met 50+ people that have been nice enough to add to my friends list. I am NEVER without anyone to play online.
Rest assured, anyone that likes sports games will LOVE Live.

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keef

i have carpal tunnel and would like to make something crystal clear.

the madcatz controller "micro edition" for the xbox is the most comfortable controller ive evar used, on any system.

i dont see how the default controller that comes with any given console should be the basis on why you should or shouldn't purchase it.

AxByC

It depends on what type of games you like. me i pretty much only play fps, and mmo games. so that rules out any console imo. PC Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Prophecy

Lasereth, I haven't seen why you're saying sports games are better on the PS2 than the Xbox or the Cube, granted I haven't read this entire long ass thread but could you enlighten me?

And online game play and controllers should be nil. You can use any controller you want on any system with an adapter. Online b/c Johnny says he doesn't want online play.

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Prophecy

Burner how could you leave out the best systems to ever hit the market!?

Namely the Gamegear, the Dreamcast, the Saturn and the Sega Genesis.

Even though Sega had extremely poor marketing ploys here in the U.S. , their products were superior to everything on the market at the time they came out.





P.S. Sega's other systems i.e. the Sega CD and Sega 32x should never be mentioned again after this

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juanvaldes

Sweet, sadly the SP's are too small to fit in my hands. But they have more games then god (1989-today) and I can actually find time to pay games on it between classes and such.

for the price of two discounted games you can pick one up (~70, ~100 for SP)

Lasereth

I mentioned in a few posts earlier that the PS2 has a wider selection of sports games. On top of that, most of the sports games that are on XBox are also out on PS2. The PS2 also has exclusive sports games that aren't on XBox yet (mainly EA games). I've been a subscriber to Electronic Gaming Monthly and Imagine Games Network for a very, very long time, and I'm just relating my experiences. EGM says that the PS2 versions of sports games *usually* have better controls than the XBox versions.

About the Gamecube...well, I'm not sure there are any sports games out for it yet. Ok, there's a good bit out on Gamecube, but not as many as PS2. It seems that the same control issues that plague the XBox versions usually plague the GC versions as well. I just find it pretty simple when a magazine that has been in publication since 1989 and has nearly 1,000,000 subscribers says that the PS2 versions are better. EGM isn't biased. They compare each version of the sports games that come out on all three systems (if applicable) and the PS2 usually wins.

I own 0 sports games. I'm not a sports fan, I'm simply delivering the information from a hundred EGM's and an IGN Insider account.

-Lasereth

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twister002

I only have the original GBA, not the SP. I've tried out the SP and it fit my hands OK. I've got pretty big hands, the old Dreamcast controllers fit just fine but I could just be fooling myself because I like the GBA so much.

The screen on the GBA-SP is great though, works well in sunlight and in dim light or darkness. Plus the used GBA games are really reasonable.

twister002

The Dreamcast does rock, I traded in my PS1 + games for an XBox this weekend but I just couldn't quite trade in my Dreamcast with it. I haven't finished Grandia II yet and Capcom vs. Marvel is just too cool.

Lasereth

Soul Calibur, Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Skies of Arcadia...the list goes on and on. The Dreamcast had DOZENS of incredible games. Gamers weren't ready for it yet, obviously. The PS1 and N64 still had life in them...it's hard to compete with those two at once. My brother broke out Code: Veronica this past summer and played through the entire game. That system shouldn't have failed. If only Sega had marketed a bit better.

-Lasereth

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Stare At The Sun

^^ Damn straight, for all the reasons mentioned up thar, DC was a damn good system.

JohnnyRock

well, I went and tried them all out and after looking at the offerings of games, etc. I am going with PS2--especially if the price is coming down as Lasereth mentioned it might. The X-Box was great as well, I just felt the PS2 had all I needed [and I'm not a big Mario guy so Gamecube wasn't really appealing].

Thanks to everyone for their opinions and insights!

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Prophecy

We get a hread merge here? Anyway, I love my DC. I have to say that I did trade away my RE: Code Veronica though. I still have Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Record of the Lodoss War among a few other games. The Dreamcast is an amazing system. I just wish the marketing had been there for it

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theburner

DC was the SHIZNIT... Soul Caliber was the BOMB.... However, I must say that Xbox is going down as my all time favorite JUST because of Live. Graphics are nice blah blah blah... BUT.. Live... IT IS AWESOME> Sports games never get predictable, FPS are INTENSE online, and Racing games...

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Prophecy

well the DC had NBA2k, NFL2k, Tennis2k, PSO and some other games that you could play online too

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