so what does the source code being leaked have anything to do with the game being delayed?

Valve making excuses for not having their product finished, more than likely...

Right, thanks CyCo PL, bastards lied at E3, sad sad sad... that firefight down the street is definately scripted in that case... damn, good, but still, damn.

I actually haven't tried out the level where they're having the firefight down the street yet, but I highly doubt that it's AI.

It's actually quite painful to play HL2 on my comp, I'm running on a P3 866 with 384 megs of ram... when I'm inside and there's nothing happening, the game runs surprisingly well... but when I'm outside or there's a lot of physics stuff happening, it slows down to a CRAWL. Note the low resolution of the images (640x480), I had to turn it down that low to prevent the game from looking like a slideshow. :)

All I can say about beta: WooooW.

And as for the leak, I think Valve was trying to get people to get the leak so they can do unofficial beta testing. It just seems logical to me. *shrug*

All I can say is if you got the beta, it is very likely that you now have a virus / worm / trojan.
Its being discovered that they were included with the beta.

But.. you get what you deserve, theifs.

This is what came to my mind, but the people I talked with about this said, "Oh, that kind of thing would have been discovered by now, with all those smart, paranoid people probably looking at the stolen source code."

So where did you hear about this?

I actually did a scan today. I'm clean.

Yay for making stuff up though!

Oh, and... the plural form of "thief" is "thieves".

Yup, and the hacker "Thiefed" the Beta, or was it "stoled" the Beta? ;) Grammatical sense aside I've found this, apparently from the Leaker Him/Her/Itself

Can someone point me to where Valve has officially said they're delaying because of the leak? Just curious. Before this whole fiasco, they were already shuffling their feet and saying "We didn't really mean Sep 30! HOPEFULLY we'll get it out by the holidays!" (read on bluesnews a while ago)

As I recall, Sep 30 was a date set by the publisher or someone not officially able to give such info. The leak is a great scapegoat, yeah, but doubtful they orchestrated anything beyond pushing the blame onto it.

It was officially announced by Valve that HL2 would be an Holiday release and recently the publishers annouced that the beta leak was the cause of the April 2004 delay.

Leaks and Beta's aside, the real reason, at this point in time, seems to be that Valve hadn't a hope in hell of having this game complete by Sept 30th or the Holiday Release.

Here's the latest:

LINKY:
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/p...efspeaks.shtml

That text came with the beta NFO file, its not new to most of us. That aside, people need to realize the fact that what a lot of companies present at E3 is just a simulation of the final product. So they ran that one scripted sequence? So there might be a lot of scripted stuff in the final game? Does that detract from it being a kickass physics engine and awesome graphics? Just look at the reflections in the water. (High end gfx cards only plz) Not every company is totally honest, i would venture a guess as to not ANY company is totally honest. HL2 will come out when it comes out, and valve can make any excuse they want for delaying the code.

Well, I toyed around with the beta today.

What a waste of time, harddrive space, and bandwidth that was!

Really? Why?

Vivendi's official position was "Holidays 2003" until a few days ago when it went to "April 2004 or later."

Valve's official position was "September 30th" from the time they revealed the game back at E3 up until September 23rd when they announced the first delay.

I think the first delay was because the game was simply not ready. The second delay is because of the theft--but Valve has not confirmed or denied the April 2004 window.

Heh, slight flaw in ANON's logic:

He's chastising Valve because the beta that he released is all they had by 9/30, yet he acknowledges that they had much more in threatening to release the "pre-gold". Anyone else catch this? Or am I missing something.

He might've meant other things than a Pre-Gold...maybe info that Valve was really fucking around with us or something...I dunno...heh.

Not too much there...lots of stuff missing...

Though it is fun to toy around with. And runs rather well on my computer surprisingly...

If I could get the AI to turn on, I'd be happy...

Thats part of the reason i usually refrain from downloading alphas. Much like the d3 leak, the game was totally working, you had to load everything via console, etc. I dl'ed HL2 just to see how true it was about the Nvidia cards sucking (I think mine did just fine). It takes a lot more than eye candy to make a great game. I like to see the story line, cinematics, etc before i see all the levels.

After playing the beta I really cant wait for the real game. You only get to see parts of finished items and things that dont exactly work right. Personally this makes me really want to play the full version.

Driving around in the jeep or airboat is crazy, and some of the other enemies and stuff are just totally cool.


On another note, I believe the "pre gold" was for CS:Condition zero. Supposedly thats already made its way out too.

ANON never said anything about a HL2 pre-gold. This is a myth.

In the .nfo file for Half-Life and CS for HL2 (running off of the HL2 engine), he even confirms that there is no such thing as a pre-gold version of HL2, and that what he released is what Valve had.

Agreed, but since half life 2 never went gold, anything youve seen/played/heard about is "pre gold" by nature.