Metal Gear Solid 3
 

Is anyone else anxiously awaiting Metal Gear Solid 3? I sure know I can't wait for it. Especially since I heard rumors that it may be a prequel and the character could very well be Big Boss and not Solid Snake.

YES YES YES. As much as i liked Metal Gear Solid 2, i can't wait for the third one.

Man, after Metal Gear Solid 2 came out, I haven't really cared at all about the upcoming Metal Gear Solid games. I don't even care about Twin Snakes, which is only a remake of the first one. It's sort of like waiting for Episode II, and then seeing it. I don't care at all about Episode III simply because II sucked so bad. Metal Gear Solid II was simply a huge fuck up in the plot/storyline department. The only reason Metal Gear Solid II was hyped up so much was the fact that everyone wanted to know what happened to Solid Snake next. Now I really don't care because the plot is messed up so bad. On top of that, MGS 3 takes place in the 1960's, ruling out any possibility that you play as Snake. In other words, Big Boss is the playable character. Since Liquid and Solid were simply genetic clones of Big Boss, that's why he looks exactly like Solid.

I'm also not entirely sure that placing a Metal Gear game in the outdoor/wooded area is a good idea. Kojima never fails to impress, however. The only reason I'm even midly interested in MGS3 is because the mastermind himself (Kojima) is still the main designer for it. Aside from Nintendo's Miyamoto, he's the number 1 videogame badass in the world. I'm actually more interested in (but not really looking forward to) Twin Snakes than MGS3, simply because it will be the first game to combine the two greatest game developers in the world: Hideo Kojima and Shigeru Miyamoto.

-Lasereth

I thought Metal Gear Solid 2 had an OK story, although I think Metal Gear Solid the original beat it overall. I'd sa I liked MGS1 better than MGS2, and I'll buy MGS3 because I like the Metal Gear series. But I do have a question, when does Twin Snakes come out? Spacemonkey, you may not wanna play the PSX version of Metal Gear Solid, but the Gamecube remake is on it's way, and I trust you'll check it out, right? Heh.

Personally I refuse to accept MGS2 as a legit part of the MGS franchise. To me it was a game that was made in Malaysia by a guy in his garage that somehow got released into the wide market.

"If you're not gonna let me play as Snake then quite frankly you can choke on cock and die." -from another forum. Well said. At least let us play as a cool character, not some bitch who's prettier than his girlfriend.

I still play MGS1 on my PC from time to time, stellar game.

Really looking forward to MGS3 myself. I was a bit upset that we had to play as that Raiden dude in MGS2.

MGS1 is truely incredible; I still wish I had that game. MGS2 is a great game, too...but it's not MGS1 by any means. I was about to go play MGS2 'til I saw this thread...I hope MGS3 will bring the game to new hieghts in terms of fun, but if it's as good as MGS2 I'll be plenty happy.

I liked MGS1 and 2. I'm pretty sure everyone was disappointed that they couldn't play as Snake but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good game. Also, if you play substance you can play as snake through the whole game. I can't wait for MGS3.

Alright, question. What was so wrong with Raiden anyway? I mean yeah he didn't have the scraggly look Snake did or anything like that, but I don't see why people hated him so much. After all he was a trained killer to, ya know. So I'm just wondering why people hated him so much.

I cant want for MGS3 aswell but let these movies hold u down for now Part One and Part Two

I didn't really mind playing as Raiden, it was the simple fact that the story sucked in the game that made me disappointed with MGS2. Hell, you play WITH Snake for part of the game, and that was Kojima's main idea with the second one.

-Lasereth

Snake always had the funny remarks and things like that. Raiden wasn't even funny. :|

I don't understand that either. I had no problem playing as Raiden, he may have been a pretty boy but i bet he could almost take snake, if not BEAT HIS ASS! I know a lot of hardcore Metal Gear Solid fans would disagree with me because of how cool they think Snake is. But except it Snake is getting old, Raiden would knock that old man to the ground.

1) He's pretty
2) He's has no presence
3) His storyline was was boring
4) He talks to his girlfriend while trying to save the world
5) His skull suit is overly homosexual (I don't have anything against homosexuals)
6) He's whiny
7) He's unbelievable (as in, it's hard to believe he's a killer)
8) He moved like a girl

The list goes on, please ammend to it if you think of anything. To tell you the truth, I may have had more patience for him if he didn't take off his mask.

Aren't most killers the 'hard to believe they are a killer' type though? and Spacemonkey brings up a good point, Raiden could give Snake a run for his money in a fight.

Why are we complaining about Raiden when ROSE is in the game?!? Please, it's like trying to put out a match while a grease-fire is errupting in the same room.

If Raiden came charging in on Snake all Snake would do is flick Raiden's nose and BLAM! Raiden will be on th floor clutching his nose crying for his mommy and asking for a mirror to check if he's still prettier than Rose.

Yeah, and then after he was done looking in the mirror to see if he still looked good, he would FUCK SNAKE UP! Please, you can't honestly tell me Raiden couldn't take Snake. I mean, i like Snake too but come on, Raiden is a trained killer, even if he is a pretty boy.

The only fucking Raiden would be doing is up the Colonel's ass.

lol, sorry I just really despise Raiden and the fact that Kojima lied to the fans by having a trailer that showed Snake in ALL of Raiden's situations thus giving the distinct impression that you can actually play as Snake for more than 3% of the game. Regardless MGS3 should 0wn j00 a11! :)

I don't really mind having a new character like Raiden, I just hope there's not any more characters for a long long time besides Snake and Raiden. They're both good in their own way, but (to me) Snake is untouchable, and that's why Raiden just isn't as cool. I had enough fun just teaming up with Snake in MGS2 though, so I'm easily entertained. :)

I am eagerly awaiting Snake Eater... I loved the first MGS games, even though the second one made me go "psshaw" quite a few times. Story aside, the gameplay was awesome and the story wasn't terrible enough to keep me from wanting to move forward, so I think the third one is going to be great as well.

The fact that the guards can't call more guards in will be interesting. Also, I wanna see how they do the food bit.

I am sure it will be great. 2 was excellent in the gameplay dept, if somewhat lacking in story.

And playing as Big Boss should be cool. Maybe it will shed some light onto why he becomes a bad guy...

Yeah, that'd be interesting if you play as Big Boss. I wonder how that'll work out.

Actually, Deflok, Kojima didn't lie, have you played MGS2: Substance? You can play as Snake all you want there.

I'll be honest, as much as i defended Raiden, that line was just hilarious. :lol:

And for the record, Raiden could probably beat Solid Snake as they stand today, Snake has aged a bit and Raiden is youthful, and you can't say Snake is a trained killer or whatever because so is Raiden, so although it would be good, Raiden would probably win. Another reasonfor this is how many Metal Gears has Snake takn on? 2 or 3 right? In MGS2 Raiden killed like 20, so now can you tell me Raiden has absolutely no chance to beat Solid Snake?

Oh yes he did, you do realise that Substance came out months after MGS2 don't you? Those trailers didn't say "MGS2:Subtance" at the end with a disclaimer saying "Oh, and the standard edition of MGS2 has Snake playable for 2 minutes, $ee you!".

And also could everyone please enlighten DownwardSpiral to the fact that Vamp is a bisexual. He won't believe me.

And, Deflok, I don't recall ever hearing Kojima say that you would play as Snake through the whole game, do you? He didn't lie, because he never said it. What he did was deceive you.

Give me a break. You can play as Snake in Substance, but it doesn't matter. The playable areas with Snake have NOTHING to do with the actual main plot of the game. Just because you're playing with Snake on Big Shell doesn't mean you're playing MGS2 with Snake. When fans say they wanted to play as Snake, they mean they want to play the game WITH the main plot as Snake.

A few side-missions (mostly going along with a "This is what COULD have happened theory) as Snake instead of Raiden may be sort of cool, but it doesn't change the fact that you're not playing MGS2 as Snake. The fans wanted a sequel to MGS still playing as the legendary badass himself, not a sequel that Kojima thought he'd experiment with. I believe that Metal Gear Solid 3 would have been a good experimentation game where Kojima could change the playable characters if he wanted, but to add that aspect to the sequel of the most popular PSX game of all time was a bad idea.

Gamers want a sequel that has a captivating plot; one that has to do with Solid Snake, and one that unfolds with not only Snake but the characters surrounding him. Ok, we got that in MGS2, but it simply doesn't work well unless you're playing as Snake.

-Lasereth

Well, then that's their problem, let them deal with it.

I don't understand?

-Lasereth

The people that get so uptight about not getting to play as Snake all the time in MGS2, some people make it sound like it ruined the game when it wasn't really that big of a deal.

It ruined the plot, not necessarily the game. Some people wanted to see what happened next in the plot over what gameplay features were added, and those people were disappointed the most. I was, for one. Most reviewers reviewed MGS2 on it's gameplay and experience, not necessarily the plot. I believe IGN commented that playing as Raiden was a joke, but the gameplay and story-telling was so good that it almost "overrode" the weak plot.

-Lasereth

I liked the plot.

*shrugs*

I thought the plot of MGS2 had it's good points and cheesy points.

I hope that in MGS4 or whatever, you play as Snake himself, and since they are training soldiers in the same way Snake fought in MGS1 (ie: Raiden), maybe there could be boss enimies that went through the same training, only for use of the Patriots...

If Kojima has an overall idea as to what he wants to do, it could turn out well, and MGS2's plot could end up not being as wacky as we may of originally thought.

Don't worry man, i'm with ya. I thought the plot was alright!

I Have played MGS2 and i thought it had a pretty good plot but i thought MGS1 was better!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw the demo for this in the PSM magazine it looks fucking awesome, as good as anything ive seen on xbox i cant wait.

I can't wait until MGS3 comes out, but what do you all think about the Twin Snakes?

Twin Snakes is gonna be fuckin excellent, I'm super-hyped for it.

I think Kojima's whole point of changing the point of view in Sons of Liberty was in part to show that "tactical espionage action" is often put aside by bickering peoples such as some of you who give too much credit to Snake's character. Seeing him from Raiden's point of view was interesting.

As far as the story goes, if Kojima felt it was what he needed to get his story and point across, then more power to him. I'll remain faithful in my belief that he knows what he's doing. I recently played SoL through a second time and the storyline isn't nearly as confusing as I made it up to be the first time around.

Anyway. Twin Snakes looks amazing, and whenever I can find myself a job I'm picking up a GC and all the games I've been missing out on. Now Konami just needs to make remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake...or at least port them to GBA.

Alright I'm revamping this thread in honour of E3, because MGS3 was a big name there and just to reward you all for my bumping this thread, here's the wmv version of the mega-long 15 minute trailer that played at said event.

Amazing stuff aye? Apparently those hover things were actually in development during the 60's-70's era but were put aside for some reason or another. MGS3 looks fantastic, I mean meeting up with Ocelot is brilliant and I will really love to see the "goodie" Big Boss fall from grace... gonna be a good one!

Oh, and I got Twin Snakes today, it's so much like the PS1 version it's unbelievable, good stuff though, still need to play it a bit more to see how good it though.

p.s. Raiden still sucks.

I think MGS2 had one of those convoluted soap opera stories, where like at the end Solid snake should have just woke up and it was all a bad dream inflicted by a bullet shot to the head, like he was in a coma. It would also have added to snakes badassosity (I don't care if its not a word, its good enough) the dude could live through a headwound.

I'll tell ya what could have made MGS2 better: replace Raiden with Snake. End of Story. Raiden wasn't as bad as everyone says, but come on...players want to play as Solid Snake. He's the King of Badass, and we want to learn a story about him, not Raiden.

After watching the video that bltzkrieg posted, my hopes for MGS3 are finally rooted. Before I was hesitant about being excited for it...but now I'm really fuckin excited for it. Ocelot is just incredibly cool. Big Boss is awesome as well. I can't wait for this game!

-Lasereth

I just hope it's longer. MGS2 wasn't worth the $ I paid for it. Way too goddamn short. MGS1 has WAY more content in it.

"You're not cut out for an automatic in the first place. You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoil. That's more of a revolver technique"

Best.line.ever. I wonder if they're gonna put David Hayter's voice since Big Boss' code name is still Snake. It should be interesting to see. The game looks to be really awesome.

Hmm.
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - November 15, 2004
Halo 2 - November 9, 2004 (without a doubt)
MGS3 - November 2004

Is it just me, or do all three platforms have major releases all within a pretty small timeframe. Well, in any case, I'll be picking up all three by golly!

Ha ha, I didn't notice how the three major-hitters were coming out at the same time. All three will be bought ASAP, though!

-Lasereth

I think it's time to cash in on that Annual Leave...

yeah seriously.....

No better time for it. 'Cept Christmas.

MGS3 is going to be an awesome experience. I'll buy it if it crashes on the X-Box's shoreline sometime soon after it's released (assuming it's PS2-exclusive right now).

Remember back in November 2001 when the GameCube and X-Box were released in the same week AND had MGS2 come out around that time, too? For as hectic a time as that was, I actually think this one could compare.

Ok guys, I'm bringing this to the top of the board again because I have some things to consider about the trailer that might either get squashed because it's not important, or could lead us to some important conclusions.

1) If you notice in the trailer, that 'Snake' is using a turret on a mountain side to fight a HIND-D, which, according to a link I found on google, weren't in production until 1976. Now, maybe I'm just nit-picking or being a nerd, but, doesn't it seem inconcievable that a game, based in 1964 could have a vehicle that wasn't put into production until 1976? Even if it was a prototype, that doesn't explain why that have a shitton of them carrying Metal Gear around.

2) Hovercraft? WTF? We don't have damn hovercraft now. How the hell do the Russians in 1964 have fucking hovercraft when we, in 2004 do not? Makes no damn sense.

Possible conclusions. Based on the crap that happened at the end of MGS2, and what you see at the beginning of the 15-minute trailer, where Snake says things like "We need to pass the torch, and let our children read our messy and sad history by its light." Then saying, "We have all the magic of the digital age to do that with. Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing." I'm beginning to see a pattern of things that don't make sense in a realistic retelling of the mission that "made" Big Boss. Maybe I'm overanalyzing. Maybe I'm thinking too much, or trying to figure out what the "big one" that Kojima is gonna pull on us, and you all know that Kojima will pull a "big one" on us, because it isn't enough like last time to have us play as a character other than Snake for 2/3 of the game, instead, Kojima ramps it up a notch by making the 3rd game without Snake in it at all. That's not what bothers me, he revealed this WAAAY before the game came out, and that's what bothers me. The telling of Big Boss' backstory is great and all, but I know that Kojima wouldn't just straight up tell us that "hey fuckers you're not Snake, you're just playing someone who looks and acts like Snake."

I guess what I'm getting at is, 1) the technology being used in this game makes no sense for the time period. 2)Snake's mention at the beginning of the trailer of how the "magic of the digital age" makes it possible for "building the future and keeping the past alive one and the same thing" makes this whole thing feel like it's another simulation, VR, or, even worse, a game-long flashback. While not entirely bad, this shakes the very foundation of what MGS has been about up to this point. This game, as many have said, and will continue to say, may change every thing about the MGS universe.

Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this, but consider my statements, and if you need the trailer so you too can mull over this mystery, I'll try to provide.

I think it's just one of those Hideo things where he adds in stuff that isn't realistic, like having HIND-Ds back in the 60s and stuff. I believe you play as Big Boss in the 60s, simple as that :) And we DO have hovercrafts now, the army uses them all the time!!

Proof of hovercrafts like the ones in the trailer plz thx k thanks bye.

You know, hovercrafts like these:
http://appstate.edu/~bm48531/mgshovercraft.jpg
NOT these:

http://appstate.edu/~bm48531/hovercraft.jpg

I'm not saying that you don't play as Big Boss back in the 60's I'm saying that the entire experience with Big Boss might be some kind of "simulation", virtual reality. Only with flaws that make it seem unrealistic, like Hind D's and futuristic hovercraft. If Kojima was using real military advisors who knew their shit about weapons, then why would a MGS game based in 1964 have weapons from 1976 and beyond. Unless 1) these guys have futuristic, prototype crap that no one had ever seen, 2) this is some type of flaw in VR programming continuing out of MGS2, or 3) Kojima is just fucking with us, and being not entirely realistic with his choices of vehicles and stuff like that.

I mean there's other shit in this game that doesn't make sense for the time period. Like infrared goggles.
http://appstate.edu/~bm48531/infrared.jpg

I mean *maybe* military technology was that far advanced, and I'm just an idiot and should stop worrying about this kind of stuff so much, but it just seems unlikely that this game really takes place in 1964 in reality.

VideoGames and Reality are mutually exclusive.

Agreed, but it helps to make a game seem like it's in the 1960's if the story-line is based in the 1960's.

With that said...I really don't care; whatever makes the game fun will be okay with me. I'd rather it be in modern-times than the 1960's, anyways, so I'll take whatever bit I can get of the future into it.

It could tie into the ploy about how the Patriots have been controlling technology - Russian government could have a similar program running. And if the members of the Patriots are all long dead, that would mean that they could be an AI of some sort - proof that digital technology could've existed for that many years, unknown to the general population.

What I think is that we'll be playing in both the 60's and modern time - we never got to see a close up of Snake while he was around the turrets and hovercraft, so we don't know if it was Big Boss or Solid Snake [lack of eye for reference]. We'll just have to wait and see.

snake broke those handcuffs, now if thats not the diffinative meaning of a badass trained killer, i dont no what is. Snakes superior knowledge of REAL pain and battlefield tatics would over come raidens simulated skills.
I think its snake when hes like 19 or really goddam young, cause on the site its got a pic of the rival. whichs reminds me grey fox, a LOT. and the nemisis looks like big boss.

Aight guys, I'm gonna provide some media for some more indepth discussion. It's good stuff. It's the 15 minute trailer I've been referring to in this thread.

Metal Gear Solid 3 Trailer (15 minutes)

Right-click and save 'er.

Cool trailer :D

Make sure to hotlink it to Fark or something. ASU increased tuition again. They've also gave me enough parking tickets to pay for any bandwidth bills they have!

-Lasereth

i like that thought of a virtual 60s world...reminds me of the hype for the second Metal gear solid....Just like we knew nothing about Raiden...maybe only 3/4ths of the game is as virtual big boss and the last is snake after the big boss virtual mission...there are a million possibilities with Kojima at the helm

Snake: a seasoned veteran with years of experience at whooping ass.

Raiden: a young "boy" trained with virtual reality

seriousely folks, it's ok if you think raiden is cute or whatever, but we all know Snake would sautee Raiden as a side dish to his serpentine main course.

Hi,
First off, that ISN'T a HIND-D. Notice how the HIND-D has twin bubble canopies:
http://repter.adatpark.hu/planepic/mi24-1-c.jpg
Now watch the trailer again and look at the canopy... it is a single large, square canopy and the two sections of it run flush with each other. My knowledge of postwar Soviet aircraft is not very good, and my searches on Google don't reveal what type of chopper that is, but it ain't a HIND-D.

Second, Infra-Red technology was very well developed by 1964. IR technology was in use in WWII with the Germans who developed it during the war, and it has been used and refined since 1945.

I agree on the hovercrafts, though. IMO it would've been much cooler for them to stick to the technology of the time, and that's it. Man, I'd love for them to do a version of MGS during WWII, with perhaps an earlier operative fighting the Germans? That would be kickass!

Look at those flame effects! Wow! And was that last guy Raiden? Sure looked like it. Pretty funny on that last part, too. I like that way the guy says, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara..."
Thanks,
Manga

Ah, well thanks Panzer_IV, that really reinforces the idea that this whole thing may just have taken place back in the 60's.

If you haven't noticed, none of the games have really been THAT realistic.

Come on, look at Pyscho Mantis. Look at Vulcan Raven, nobody could carry something as huge as that vulcan cannon. And what about the ninja and his exoskeleton? Not to mention the Metal Gears.

Wish I had a ps2 :(

Well, that kinda shit, I'll make an exception to, but the rest of the stuff, I mean, come on.

Ok guys it's Mr.Deflok's typical "check out this video and jizz your pants" time:
http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault...kikizo_gi.html

The opening for the new Metal Gear game, it's perhaps the only game I'm looking forward to for the PS2 this year!

Well, actually Jak 3 as well.

Anyway, the opening has all the style of the previous Metal Gear games and looks to incorporate more slo-mo action as seen in Twin Snakes (which I loved, and probably am the only one).

:lol: :lol: :lol:

laughed out loud on that one!!!

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned the possibility of time travel being an aspect of this game's plot.

http://media.planetmgs.com/trailers/mgs3_gc2004_e.zip
A new MGS3 trailer with english voices! Hayter's back baby! Also, I think that maybe Solid Snake for some reason or another has to relive Big Boss's final mission. I don't think the game will be actually set in the 60's... But anyway, the game looks fucking great!

If this has a lame-ass made-for-tv-movie-esque storyline, and boring ass 20 minute cutscenes, like the other games, then no thanks

Once again, Mr. D delivers with the goods! Great video guy!

EDIT: Scratch that. Best.Trailer.Ever.

What's the release date?

thx for the video dude....i gotta get new pants now tho

Commence Load Blowage...

Linkage

I'm actually hoping for this too. I've been thinking ever since MGS3 was unveiled that it'd be so awesome for the game to start out in the 1960's with Big Boss and then towards the end switch to present day to conclude MGS2. Like you said: with Kojima running the show, it's a possibility. I'd like to play as Solid Snake one last time before the series ends!

-Lasereth

Argh! I want to see it but the video keeps cutting out after 5 seonds!!! :|

download it from Game Trailer

The Cobra unit is kinda disappointing except The Fury is pretty cool though.

.....was that Raiden at the end of the trailer?

Looked like Raiden to me. :thumbsup:

Maybe my dream is coming true about MGS3...I'd love to have the last part of the game take place in current-times.

-Lasereth

It seems Snake's new objective is to kill The Boss. damn The Boss is cool, I don't wanna kill her :lol:

Also

Holy fuck-monkey!
bltzkriegmcanon, Slayer, THANK YOU! That trailer kicked my arse to mars! I can't wait to take on 'The Sorrow'! Wish they didn't give away how Snake lost his eye though...

i wish you didnt give that away GAH :@:@

Of course I want to get my hands on this game, my username alone should be enough to attest to that. :thumbsup:

Edit: Nope, Raiden wasn't even born then. The Raiden lookalike in the trailer is just there for amusement purposes only. The scene in an earlier trailer where Volgin (Thunderbolt) grabbed his balls was just a funny way to remember the contribution Raiden made to the MGS series, it was shown to remind us of how in MGS2 Raiden was cupped by President Johnson.

As far as I know, the Raiden lookalike has nothing to do with the actual game, if he is actualy a character in the game I doubt we'll see any big role from him.

It's basically just Naked Snake (Big Boss), The Boss, Volgin, The Cobra Unit and Eva as the main characters.

omg, i just watched all the trailers, it seems that their may be mutilpl storys/missions in the game? the lose of an eye, the blackbird jets versus the hercules planes. I strongly beleive that the "ocelot" character may be grey fox. There is a few inconsistancys but still, it makes sense.

I doubt it. Frank Jaeger(Fox) was a young soldier in the 80s with Big Boss. Plus all the trailers hinting the games gonna taking place in the 60s.

Its funny how Johnny keep coming back. :lol: He's from a long line of cell guards. In MGS1 takes a crap while on guard and in MGS2 takes a crap while guarding the hostages. I wonder what will he do in MGS3? perhaps more crap :lol:

bliztkrieg canon...thank you! im looking forward to playing against young revolver ocelot

This game looks amazing. The last trailer I watched that Blitz found was fucking awesome! The "freakshows" are back. We have a guy that can control bees for cryin' out loud. Gives you a warm, fuzzy feelin' inside...

I loved the metal gear at the end busting out of the building, I cheered quite loudly

This game is going to be badass to the max

When the Gregson-Williams MGS theme started at the end I almost burst into tears of joy!


And who can turn down Revolver Ocelot revolving those revolvers like nobody's business :)

New cover art. :thumbsup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../mgs3cover.jpg

This thread rocks. I wish I were good at finding new interesting stuff and all...but there's already blitz and the rest of the guys for that. I cant wait I cant wait!!!!!

I seen that pic in ebworld.com. It seems if you preorder MGS3, you'll get a demo disc :hmm: Damn the preorder bonus kinda suck. I was hoping we could get a snake Figurine like what Dead or alive ultimate's preorder (gamestop.com) :D

i can't wait for this game....i wonder if we are going to play as big boss or snake???

i don't know if i've posted this forum yet...but notice that the game is Metal Gear Solid 3...not metal gear solid zero...that makes me think that there is a reason Snake is back to his roots, something to do with getting that russian chick's baby. So my theory...3/4ths worth of jungle with snake as Virtual Big Boss (before he was Big Boss), then the last 4th is as snake in classic sneaking mission indoors action. those of you who say impossible, just remember the Kojima is notorious for throwing us all off and making some huge impossible yet wildly entertaining story.

MGS2 sucked balls plotwise. I loved the gameplay but about halfway through the game, I just had to stop paying attention to the plot because it just confused me. There were way too many plot twists to keep the game interesting. Having your character get screwed over once is ok but not three and a half dozen times in a game that takes 12-15 hours to beat. That's like 3 screwjobs in an hour!

I didn't think it really "sucked balls" per se. I enjoyed the plot twists to a great extent. It at least made you think, which a lot of games recently tend to not make you do. If you read some synopsises or essays (yes I'm a nerd) on the whole plot of MGS2, you can really see what Hideo Kojima was trying to say with the game. Put it this way: The game was really fucking weird the last half for more than one reason. Kojima was basically giving the world a big F-You and showing his personal opinion on matters through this videogame. That's why it got so weird at the end.

amen brother!

I do have to say however...I would sacrifice my left testicle to get MGS3 right now this very day!!!! NOW NOW NOW!!!!

Oh yeah, theres a playable MGS3 demo in the official playstation magazine in the november issue. I trying to find it but my store is all sold out. damn it :(

Yeah the magazine came out on tuesday of this week. Sorry if it's old news.
I got the magazine the day it came out and I got it at Barnes and Nobles. I started looking for it on the shelves but it only showed the October issue and when I asked the people they took me to this room that needed a password in order to go in and I waited outside. When he finally came out in his hand he was holding the November OPM with the demo. The demo is awesome and I recommend anyone who has the jitters for MGS3 to get this mag.

p.s. it also has other good demos.