Ustwo

In my search for a new PC game, someone mentioned X3:reunion.

I came upon this review....

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Baraka_Guru

True. A good review.

Actually, the game looks pretty good.

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telekinetic

Holy crap, that's awesome. I <3 Morgan Webb. If X3 is anything like X2, prepare for it to destroy your life. I won't let myself install it. Soooo addicting.

Also, she's right...the best way to have fun is ignore the cock...er, um...er Kha'ak completely and just playing it like a sandbox.

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Shauk

lol, i'm sorry all I heard was cock

oh fuck I can't breathe, i'm laughing too hard. It took me a second to realize she was really getting in to saying cock a lot. "I can't find any hard cock!"

Cynthetiq

"What's a girl gotta do to see some cock around here"

oh god... this is just too much... Morgan Webb is so hawt... and to hear her do phone sex is just great!

odd too because I hear George Carlin echoing, "And the cock crowed three times..."

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Plan9

... they seriously named the baddies "Kha'ahk?" or whatever?

Jeez. Is there James Bond in this game?

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shakran

the game is full of humorous little quips like that. And twisted is right X3 is addictive. Damned addictive. Especially if you start flying near the Boron ships. . those things are works of art.

Esoteric

Clever...

Morgan Webb is hot.

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LOL

"What's a girl gotta do to see some Kha'ak around here?"

Best game review EVER!!!

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hahahahahhaa

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Cynthetiq

I am amazed that someone has not made her into some XXX soundboard.

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Oh god, I couldn't stop laughing. That was one of the best laughs I've had in a while.

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MPower

The X series is an European game. Evidently the bad guys didn't translate well to English. A great game though. I still chuckle when I get a report of the cock attacking a sector.

Anxst

That...was goddamn hilarious.

I really can't stand Tech TV since G4 bought it, but that was definitely worth watching.

The game looks pretty sweet, too.

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100% agreed, I'll have to check this game out.

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Ustwo

Well let me do a review of this game....

First, the cock review, funny as all hell, does it absolutely no justice. You can tell from the screen shots they were using and what they were talking about they only played the game for a couple of hours tops.

This is NOT a console game.

Its either amazingly complex or amazingly simple, depending on how you want to play.

Simple would be playing it like Elite/Privateer. You do the missions, you trade a bit, you blow things up. The way the game is set up though, simple would be really a waste.

The complex side....

Well after spending your first few hours figuring out the menus, figuring out the UI, figuring out how to go from X to Y, you are still clueless but at least you know how to fly.

Let me explain a bit where I am at in my game.

I had a fighter type ship and a trader type. I was having bad luck with capturing enemy pirates (where the money is in combat, you force them to bail out and you take their ship) so I switch into my hauler and did some trading a bit. To do so I set up navigation satellites in various systems and installed the trade software on my ship so I could see prices remotely. I then would move various commodities at the best price I could, hoping to get there before AI controlled ships did the same thing and caused a price drop. This is still part of the simple game btw. Then between periods of going back into my fighter to explore and trading for cash, I finally got about 600k credits saved up (one damn captured heavy fighter would have come close to that but as I said no luck). So I take this money and buy some software for 500k that allows me to order my trade ship to trade without my input. As in I say 'trade in this sector' and it does so, on its own, picking the best deals. Its basically now my employee and the pilot can level up on their own. (not sure how the levels affect anything) So while he trades in the sector I go off fighting/exploring a bit.

So then I find a really good system with lots of factories/mines/power for him to trade in, only its about 20 jumps away from where he is and there are lots of pirates in between and his ship is unarmed. So, I install a jump drive on his ship (ordered to do so remotely) and have him jump down to this very good sector. Fast forward several hours and hes made me about 400k (almost paying back his original investment) and is now level 8.

Ok at level 8 he can be a universal trader, meaning he doesn't just stay in a sector but he will go anywhere looking for trade deals, he will even use the jump drive and will refuel it. I try to set him to do it and I'm not able. Mmmm, lazy no good, oh wait..... It seems without proper shields and such he refuses to leave the nice safe sector. So I go find some 25mj shields, and a gun for his turret. Now hes all happy and doing his own thing galactically.

In the mean time I used a bit of the profits to buy myself another hauler type ship and was trading on my own as well.... I'm just about at the point I can set that ship up as a sector trader as well, then UT, rinse and repeat.

Ok the above was STILL the simple part of the game.

This is where I'm at, but next after you start to get more and more UT's and the money starts to come in, you have the options of buying your own factories/farms/mines etc. You can set up a HQ. You can have trade ships who's job it is to supply your factories and then sell their products.

But....why? Is this space tycoon?

Well yes but with money comes power, in the form of a real fleet. We are talking fighters, destroyers, battle ships, carriers. These all need to be supplied with guns, missiles, shields, and energy cells, either supplied by your own factories or bought from others.

And what do you do with them? Well there are two wars being fought, pirate bases to destroy (or work with), that sort of thing. Early in my game one sector had an enemy carrier and destroyer jump into a lightly defended sector and they were taking out all the factories in the system, glad I didn't own them.

The missions are more of a 'introduction to X3' and tbh not that great, but the game is very deep. The computer will add new factories/bases etc during the course of the game.

Its also fully modable, much like the morrowind type games, and I'd recommend getting the Extended mod (XTM) right off the bat, it is offically supported by the devs, it increases the visuals and about doubles the content of the original (already big) game.

Its a good thinking game, only in space, with lasers. Still though, after getting all the stuff set, I still pop on COD4 and shoot 15 year olds in the face. I wouldn't call X3 work, but its a different kind of action.

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Baraka_Guru

I must get me to a sftware dealer....

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Ustwo

Amazon has the 2.02 DVD + expansion mission (note not the extended mod, thats a free download) for 11 bucks.

Or you can pay 20 for it on steam if you don't want to wait a week for shipping.

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Baraka_Guru

Thanks for the tip.

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Apokx

Sounded like an interesting game until I read the reviews on Amazon and Metacritic. Seems there is an issue with the PC-CDrom having some type of malware, as well as being difficult to install.

Amazon has 12 1 star reviews to 15 5 star reviews.

Ustwo

You were not looking at the DVD version, but the original release.

It used starforce or something protection which wasn't malware but was an AWFUL copy protection program that wouldn't even work with older CD-ROMs.

DVD has no problems and they got rid of the starforce or whatever it was crap. I had two games with it at the time, space rangers II and whatever that last big U-boat game was, and neither would work with my old CD-ROM.
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Well I've got about 5 UT's now, and the logistics are time consuming getting it set up, but not to bad.

Next I delve into the factory production aspects. I can see they will be important for supplying a fleet as often critical parts are in short supply.

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Ustwo

Ustwo the miner.

So, I decide to play the factory/mine game and find two asteroids worth mining in a sector close to a lot of production facilities.

One is a silicon roid the other an ore one.

So I need to buy the mines to place there, only they are huge. So I need to contract a giant NPC ship to fly to the shipyard to pick up the mine and then move it to the sector in question.

I need to order the silicon mine from a race pretty far away as only they supply the large version (more production).

The ore mine, being closer, gets there first and I tell the captain where to put it.

Ok cool. Mines are the easiest (outside of solar plants) to maintain as they only need energy to function, unlike more advanced factories.

So I set up a hauler ship to buy energy at a price I set (he will fly around buying it if its at my price) set the sell price of the ore, and I watch. Everything seems to be going ok but the ore isn't selling so I set another trade ship to sell the ore at the best price it can find. Watching my ships dock and depart is sort of relaxing at this point.

I do the same for the silicon mine when it arrives.

Then, a problem. Neither the silicon or ore mine have energy to produce, both are flashing at me in nasty yellow. Mmmm where are my slacker energy procuring ships? 9 jumps away? Eh?

Well it seems I didn't set the default max distance for their shopping so they were off gallivanting across the galaxy looking for cheap energy.

So I set that right and the mines really start producing, faster than I can sell, so I buy two more transports and set them to sell as well.

All is good and then tragedy. I see one of my new expensive ore selling ships is under attack by a single pirate heavy fighter. I just happened to not give him good shielding, and just happened to not give him a weapon. I jump into the area, luckily he is near a gate, and I'm just in time to see his multicolored explosion and my ore floating in space.

I must at least get revenge!

Whelp...that didn't go so well either, my first pass takes out his shields, and then his aft turret kicks in, and kicks the crap out of me.

Did I mention this game is kinda deep?

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Baraka_Guru

Must....have.....this.....game......nw.....

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Ustwo

Looking into it for someone, it seems the DVD version I got from Amazon is no longer available.

I'd say either get it for 20 bucks off steam, or you can get the basic game for 10 still on amazon (just not with the expansion on DVD like I did, make sure you get the 2006 re-release as they shouldn't have the crappy copy protection).

The more I think about it, the more I'd just get it off steam as you know you are getting the most current version.

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I didn't get to play much last night but I decided to spend 3 million outfitting my new heavy fighter. Four mass drivers and 4 beta plasma throwers, things melt nicely.

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Baraka_Guru

Nice. That sounds like quite the fighter, and I'm sure you're a damn fine pilot.

I won't get it off Amazon because Amazon.ca doesn't have the same deal I don't think. Perhaps Steam is the way to go. I'll look around.

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MPower

Are you still in a fighter Ustwo? Do the Bala Gi missions to get the Hyperion M7 corvette. I spend most of my time cruising around in my corvette, escorting my carrier. We jump to systems that have pirates or cock attacking my merchant fleet or factory complexes. After you make a few 10s of millions and get 20+ UTraders and a bunch of connected factories, the game really takes off. Plus if you can save up about 600 million you can buy your own sector. Then you need to defend it...


And if you dont go here a lot, you will...

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewforum.php?f=2

lots of mods and tweaks

Ustwo

I've been avoiding the missions as much as I can trying to build everything on my own. I've got about 10 UTs, and my two mines. I'm trying not to 'rush' the game.

I just downloaded the bonus pack so I need to figure how to configure some of the more advanced commands and all that tonight.

I've just gone from the Buster to a Nova Vanguard so I'm going to enjoy the moment for now

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MPower

If you like, I can give you the co-ordinates of some free ships you just have to fly to and claim. Some are hard to reach, but there are probably a dozen out there, including a mamba raider I flew for a long time and a toucan hauler, if you want to expand your trading fleet.

Ustwo

I got the toucan hauler, but I just stripped it for the shields and its sitting as a storage ship in argon prime.

Thats the only freebee I took, I'm going to try it find/do as much on my own and once I've done that I'll look to the spoiler side.

I think I'm bringing in about 1-2 million an hour at this point, which is enough to learn/expand with as needed.

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MPower

Alrighty then. Sorry for the thread hijack everyone. Boy that was a funny review. cock.

Apokx

I started playing this tonight, getting a feel for the UI and space flight. I may borrow my roommates joystick and try that, but haven't actually done anything more than flying around the starting area.

blahblah454

Is this an online game?

It looks pretty good. And that review was funny. I would fuck the shit out of morgan

Ustwo

Honestly thanks for your offer of help, this one I just want to figure out on my own as much as I can. I'll bug you when I get stuck

I have a joystick but don't use it that often. The mouse is fine 90% of the time but the game does NOT have an in game mouse sensitivity setting. I have a gaming mouse so I can crank it up without fiddling with the windows settings, but if you don't the mouse will either be too slow for a maneuverable ship or you will need to reset it every time you start/stop playing.

Not online, which is its appeal to me right now. I need a game that lets me hit the pause button.

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Apokx

Is there something I'm missing about taking ships? I eject, swim/float over to the abandoned ship and click it for info(like you can do to your own)and it never gives me the option to enter ship.

I get "Follow" and "Comm".

This was an abandoned Vulture class trading ship, and I'm still using the Argon Buster.

MPower

you have to be really close to enter take another ship. About 30m or so. Your enter button will light up when you are in range. Once you get in, if it is really beat up, leave, go back to your original ship and tell the new one to fly to a dock so you can repair or sell it.

Apokx

I figured it out, but after playing most of Saturday I dont think I'd suggest this game to anyone I know.

Spent 20 minutes flying towards Quest objective. Attacked by a group of four pirates in faster ships that destroyed me nearly instantly.

Finally took an abandoned ship only to have it attacked by pirates on the flight back to a sector with a shipping dock(hull damage results in lower flight speeds).

Took a second ship, ordered it to follow me. The second ship flies directly into my ship exploding in the process.


The most enjoyment I'd have today is telling people about the kind of bullshit happening to me in this game. I wish there was a facepalm smiley.

Ustwo

I do hope you know about the time compression feature I always set mine for 10X and even an unupgraded hauler won't take more than a few minutes to cross a sector.

I've been playing off and on all week. I'm up to 20 million credits, 3 mines, 15 or so independent universal trader ships. I've have had very few issues beyond my noobness not doing the commands properly. I have ships auto-scanning asteroids, a fast logistics ship I've been using which will automatically upgrade my trade ships (its a pain getting them outfitted sometimes), I have a fleet of automated ships which are selling my ore and restocking my mines, and I'm looking to start with complexes (basically linked factories). I tried putzing around in a M6 type ship but I still don't have the hang of using capital ships, even the smallest one, so that didn't end well.

I'm still amazed by the level of detail of this game.

About the only thing I want is a pure ship list, alphabetically by ship name. Its getting to look messy on the normal list and I want to know if any ships have been blown up when I wasn't paying attention.

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Apokx

20 minutes was with the compression feature. I had to fly from one side of the system to the other to talk to someone, but as of right now about 8 pirates are swarming around the gate I need to use and won't leave.

Edit: I think I've come to the conclusion that this game is Gothic 3 in space.

telekinetic

i would like to quote myself as a warning to everyone being influenced by the recent posts in this thread. Don't do it!

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Baraka_Guru

But Ustwo says it has a pause button!

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