blahblah454

Anyone out there own a ps3? I see lots of people have a xbox360 but no mention of the ps3.

Me, I don't own one but I really want one. I want one I would say 70% as a blu ray player and 30% as a gaming system. Yea I know that right now there isn't a huge selection of games out for it but 2 is fine for me for now. I want it mostly to put good use of my 5.1 polk audio system and my 50inch sony hdtv that I run regular dvd's on.

Up until 1/31/08 if you buy almost any blu ray player (including the ps3) you get 5 free blue ray dvd's, its not a huge selection but there are some good ones. I hear there are some current problems with the ps3 but they are going to be addressed in the next release in Q1 08, also the rumble shock controller comes out. Also the ps3 currently upconverts dvds as well so that is a bonus, and it comes with hdmi 1.3.

Right now I can get it from dell.ca for $500, it comes with a game, 2 controllers and an hdmi cable with free shipping. Plus those 5 free blu ray movies. Makes for one sweet ass deal if you ask me.

So anyone out there own one or know some insider scoop that I don't? any opinions on the machine at all?

MexicanOnABike

i also want the ps3. haven't payed anything toward HD yet. my receiver has hdmi in and out but i have nothing yet to plug into it. after i get the hd lcd/plasma HD, i will probably get a ps3 to watch my new blueray movies on it. but for now, i'll have to say: my regular dvds are fine the way it is! and not enough games that i want to pay extra to play on the ps3.

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blktour

man i want one too. i got me the xbox 360 with the upgrade at the time for about 399. then got the hd dvd player for 100 bux. I want the PS3 tho for the blu ray and the fact that it went down to about 499 with the 40gig hard drive, and it already comes wireless, and you dont have to buy that. also it gives you free subscription for online gaming.

I think that the reason you dont see alot of them around in peoples homes is because the regular consumer cant tell the difference. just the price tag.. they want cheap.

I personally think that the ps3 is a way better deal now that they dropped it down to the $499 price with all those options..

hmmmm../drool

sibylable

I own a ps3. It includes an 80GB PlayStation 3 console, SIXAXIS controller, MotorStorm, AC power cord, A/V cable, Ethernet cable and USB cable.
I just got it last month. Here is the deal link I used, some of you can look up
http://www.dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?deal_id=66514

blahblah454

The 40 gig option is only $400 here. From dell you can get the 40 gig, 2 controllers, a game and an hdmi cable for $400 with free shipping.

I own alot of ps2 and ps1 games so I will only get the 80gig model. They had to cut backwards compatibility from the 40gig model to cut costs, there is actually some more stuff other than that that they cut out as well.

I was never one of the people to freak over the price tag, if you consider you can buy the ps3 and a cheap HD dvd player for less than a normal blu ray player then that seems like a good deal to me. Plus it plays games and is a media center.

Prophecy

I want a PS3 just because well, I want one. Just another tech toy honestly. However, I'd never use it. I wouldn't use the Blu Ray, no HD tv. As for the games released, none appeal enough to warrant $60 + $599. I won't get the 40gig for the same reason as blahblah.

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blktour

sorry i stand corrected. you are right. we do have it for that price also. they just dropped the price here also.

that dell deal is sounding very nice right about now.

my bday is on the 2nd and think i should get me something...

Lasereth

The PS3 has more good games than the Wii. The lack of games argument was never valid and is most certainly wrong now. Look at www.metacritic.com . The PS3 has way more games "in the green" than the Wii. The Wii has some hard-hitters but most of its top tier games are remakes or weird japanese games that no one plays here.

Resistance: Fall of Man is worth buying the system for. I played it all the way through and it's better than Halo 3.

Ratchet and Clank has really high reviews. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune also has great reviews. Motorstorm is fun and Warhawk is on up there as well.

The PS3 did pretty good its first year considering the 360 and Wii's launch. It never truly had a system-seller for the masses like Gears of War or Super Mario Galaxy but it had some close calls.

I would buy one if I had the money, especially since they're $400 now and I have a 1080i HDTV to play it on. The only reason people didn't flock to it like the Wii is the price.

guthmund

I recently bought a PS3.

Right now, I use it mostly for Blu-Ray and as a media center because my focus has been on the 360 and the handful of "must have" games out there right now like Mass Effect and such.

That being said, I do own Ratchet and Clank and it is friggin' fantastic. I picked up a second hand copy of Resistance after seeing Las flog it death in several threads and I have to say, he's absolutely right. Drake looks beautiful and based on the demo it's up near the top of my 'games to get' list.

If you have the cash or can get a good deal on one, I'd say sure pick one up.

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In my case the perceived lack of good games is not the problem, it's the lack of games that appeal to me. Sure all the games you mentioned got good reviewers, but having a 8.0+ score doesn't mean I'll buy it.

• Resistance- Just another FPS. Other games have done it better and are multi-platform.
• Warhawk - I won't touch because it's online only.
• Ratchet and Clank - Never played one, see no reason to start now. It reminds me of the Jak games.
• Motorstorm - Racing games just aren't my thing. The last racing game I really liked was Midnight Club 2
• Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - the only game you mentioned I would buy. However, I never buy a console when it just has one game I want.

Also, I don't own a Wii and I don't currently plan to buy one in the future. Right now, the only game I want for the PS3 that isn't on the 360, PS2 or PC is Final Fantasy XIII and that's not going to hit till 2009.

The PS3 in my house would be a game console, not a media center and currently it's not worth the cash. Should I get a HD tv at some point, my opinion may change.

That said, maybe I'm just an undercover Sony hater or "MS fanboi" but the PS3 still hasn't given me a reason to buy it, yet. I'm sure I'll own one eventually.

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Lasereth

You don't like above average FPS, you don't like online flight games, A+ platformers, or racing games?? What do you like?

Redjake

PS3 is finally worth a purchase. If you had to choose between 360 and PS3, I'd still go 360, but both are now worth owning if you have the money. The games are starting to fall in for both consoles and PS3's price has dropped significantly (not to mention the free BluRay movies and games, etc.)

The PS3 is awesome because of random things it offers that some don't realize (i.e. me) - for example: I bought an HDTV recently, and DVDs looked like crap. I started to worry, until Lasereth reminded me one of the latest updates to PS3 allows it to upscale DVDs to 1080p - I enabled it, and boom, I am back in business. I was about to go out and buy a damn 1080p upscaling DVD player........

So now you are getting a Bluray player, an upscaling DVD player, and a badass gaming console that finally has great games, all for a reasonable price tag. go for it!

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blahblah454

I already knew I wanted one, but after reading what you guys had to say I want one even more now. As soon as the cash is in my pocket the ps3 will be part of my collection.
And no one mentioned that game The Darkness or whatever its called. The one about the mobster that has dealings with demons. That one looks amazing

Nikilidstrom

I own both, and IMO PS3 is by far the more useful and user friendly system of the 2. The must have games gap is starting to narrow, and the multitude of features that the PS3 has, including MP3 player, USB device compatability, Internet, full video playback, and Blu Ray make it the winner in my book. And with Linux installed, its just like having a shuttle style computer attached to my big screen. The only thing the 360 has over it is Live, which puts the PS3 gamers network (or lack there of) to shame.

blktour

I went to two SAMS CLUBS, and two COSTCOS here and they were sold out.
I mainly want to get it here at COSTCO becuase i have a cousin that works there and says that the PS3 is not under the NEW return policy that COSTCO picked up, meaning i can return it whenever i want. years from now even.

Prophecy

Hmm, what games do I like? I guess if I had to list genres...

• RPGs - I stared playing them in the 90s during the Black Isle & Bioware boom. That's not to say I haven't played my fair share of console RPGs.
  
• Platformers/ action-adventure - Using just the last gen I can name the following games that I loved: Prince of Persia games, Psychonauts, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, Beyond Good & Evil, GunValkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, etc.
  
• Strategy - Gladius, Disgaea, FFT, Kessen III, etc.
  
• FPS - I do like FPS. Examples being Rainbowsix games, CoD games, Half-Life, etc. Those are all covered on my PC & 360. I can skip Resistance and live happy. Also, I hate the PS3 controllers for shooters, it's just a personal issue.
  
• Beat Em' Ups - Goes back to my days of playing Streets of Rage on the Genesis. It's also a reason why I like the Dynasty Warrior games in all their simplicity.
  
• Sports - I'm a sucker for Boxing and Basketball games, just waiting for a great next gen soccer title and I'm set.

I could list others but I'm kinda brain dead now.

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I am in the same boat. I own both systems and I prefer the PS3. Honestly I just think it is the better overall system. The no games for PS3 arguement is completely unfounded. There are many good games for the PS3. Also there are many good games which are released on both platforms, so if you only own a PS3 and not both, you are not missing out on much. Also as has been stated many times over, the Blu-Ray player is awesome. I love watching movies in 1080...

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guthmund

I played it for the 360 and although it looked pretty cool, it really didn't do anything for me. The demon stuff is fun the first couple of go rounds, but, in the end, it starts to feel a bit too gimmicky.

You don't know what you're missing, brother. Something about those guys at Insomniac...everything they touch is gold and these two are no exception. I hate the Jak games, but I love me some Ratchet.

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Prophecy

In that case, I might rent an old Ratchet game or dig in a bargain bin for one. I know several games have been released, which comes recommended.

Also, does anyone know which version of the PS3 comes with HDMI cables?

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LoganSnake

Yup. I've had it since Saturday and like it a lot so far.

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Redjake

I just beat Resistance - man that game was so. damn. awesome.

Not nearly enough praise for it, now or during November 2006

Amazing game!!!!

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Resistance is a must own for any gamer. It is a really fun FPS.

Now play Heavenly Sword. That is an amazing cinematic game. It is extremely short, but it is a lot of fun. It is also one of the best presented games that I have ever played. It's basically a 6 - 8 hour interactive movie. Another, IMO, must own (or at least play) for any gamer.

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jvwgtr

I own a PS3 also.
One of the neat features you don't see mentioned too often is the ability to use it as a wireless media center. I can play MP3s and video files I have saved on my PCs...it can accept streaming media and play it through your home theater. That was a great little feature they added with a firmware update.

The XBox Live Network might be better, but the Sony network is FREE.
I use my PS3 mainly for Blu-Ray, but I also like downloading all the little games and (free)demos from the Playstation Network, which provides some quick entertainment.

Esoteric

You can stream music and video from your PC to your 360 as well.

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In case you missed it, you may want to check out this link for the counterpoint.

Honestly, I would say the ONLY reason to get a PS3 is if they have exclusive games you simply cannot live without. There are some great exclusive PS3 titles. However if, as you mention, your primary desire is for an HD player, You may really want to go 360 + HD-DVD or get a Toshiba dual-format. Take my previous arguments to heart or with a grain of salt, there are a lot of VERY strong reasons to believe that HD-DVD will win out over Blu-Ray, doubly now so with the first HD-DVDs hitting the market that allow for web browsing from inside the movie for additional content and online purchases. If the studios actually do well with this, it'll be all over for Blu-Ray in a matter of months. Even without the extended multimedia capabilities, the backers alone should convince most people of who the winner will be.

From a console perspective, in my group of friends back home, not a single one owns a PS3. We all have fairly varied tastes in games (exception being that we all love Halo) and still nobody can make an argument for a PS3 over a 360 from an RPG, sports, FPS or strategy gaming perspective. In theatre there are a couple of guys with PS3s, but they all also have 360s. In the end the 360s get used more, as we network them for Halo 3, sports games, Crackdown, CoD4, et cetera. As far as I can tell, multiplayer just isn't as fun on the PS3 (maybe I'm just blatantly ignorant about it, but I never see much talk about it). Also, Xbox Live Arcade? 'nuff said! :-p

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I'm a PS3 owner from day one and I love it.

The firmware updates have added many new features such as upscaling of regular DVD's, audio playback for some of the newer **HD audio formats**, added rumble support (some games already support it even though the controller doesn't hit the states till next year) and just general bug fixes for the system. As for upcoming firmware, we will be getting full DIVX support to play all your DIVX movies right off of a USB drive or other media, as well as the rumor of XMB support for in game viewing of the XMB and friends list (Cross Media Bar/Start Page/Welcome Screen) of the system.

Someone mentioned above how they wouldn't touch Warhawk since it is online only, DO NOT let this deter you, this game is a blast. Well polished, well balanced and a lot of fun all around even though the learning curve might seem a little steep since you cannot take it offline and practice this game is pure fun. There are actually 3 different flavors of the game out there, one is download only from the PSN Store and costs $40USD but, it is linked to that system so only one profile could be played, 2nd version is also $40 USD but comes retail boxed and includes some extras such as a making of and behind the scenes stuff, then the 3rd version is also a retail box version but it costs $60 or $70 USD is exactly the same as the other retail version, except, it comes boxed with a Jabra Bluetooth headset for use with the game if you do not already have a headset you can use.

There is an upcoming patch for the game to help with the glitchers and cheaters (on every online game you have this so don't go saying there is no cheating on the Xbox Live) as well as a map pack/update for $8 that will include 1 or 2 new maps (one of which I believe is a night time map) some new dropship which is like a massive troop transport allowing you carry somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-8 troops (with weapons on board) as well as some sort of a vehicle transport allowing you to carry a jeep or other ground based vehicle and drop it off somewhere else.

If anyone else is online with their PS3 and wants to hit me up for some Warhawk action sometime just shoot me a friend invite to MontanaXVI on the PSN and put in TFP in the subject line. I'm by far not the best out there but I like trying, LOVE me some sniping too (just got my Master Sniper badge = 200+ sniper kills) working on my Warhawk sniper badge now = 1000 sniper kills.

**About the HD audio formats, some of you may be thinking if your home theater system doesn't say it can handle True HD or a new audio format you may be out of luck, but what myself and others have done is this. (The PS3 DOES NOT decode DTS-HD yet, but it can do Dolby True HD with the latest firmware update from Sony.

Let's say you have an older home theater system that won't do True HD try this as a workaround, take and have your PS3 output the audio signal as Linear PCM, then have your receiver accept the input of the PCM feed and just send it out to the speakers, there you have it as good as True HD. Since the PS3 can actually do all the audio decoding and then send out the decoded stream you are only using your receiver to pass the stream to the speakers in all it's glory.**

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Sty

Got PS3 pretty much very close after Jap launch, bought it because the games I want to play are on it

And those games that I like to play on 360 seem to come out on PS3 also. Got around 10 PS3 games at the moment and God of War 1 & 2. Shadow of the Colossus is on the list too.

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vonstalhein

Afraid my only real contribution to this thread is to say choosing between the two really comes down to your preference for the exclusives. Sony will have plenty soon enough, 360 has plenty already, but it's almost solely personal taste when it comes to having one or the other. I have a 360 because i couldn't live without mass effect, gears, Halo and Bioshock etc.

Also, 'The Darkness' is incredible! The fighting mechanics might not be the best ever, but it has one of the best told stories (not to mention the plot itself being brilliant) i've seen in a game for a long, long time. Pick it up on the cheap and trade it in afterwards, but it's still so, so underrated.

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Fotzlid

a question for those that own both.
i have a PS2 and an XBox and i prefer the games and graphics on the XBox. the controls seemed smoother and the graphics were much cleared on the XBox.
in fact, once i bought the XBox, i hardly ever touched the PS2.

i have a 360 now but havent sprung for the PS3 yet. is there as big a difference between the two with this generation?

i know its mostly subjective but just looking for some input.

LoganSnake

No, the difference between PS3 and 360 is less noticeable than it was between PS2 and Xbox, at least for now. While on paper PS3 is a more powerful machine, the developers have yet to take advantage of it. However, IMO Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is the best looking game this generation so far and it is on the PS3.

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Fotzlid

thanks.
i've only seen PS3 in in-store setups. the graphics looked amazing on the F1 game demo they had running at one place, but i didnt trust it as it was in-store.

xepherys

The controllers are more or less the same in this generation. This is actually likely one of my top pro-Xbox reasonings (and also what I hear many pro-PS guys say makes them pro-PS). I LOVED the S-Controller. Got a USB adapter for it and used it on my PC as well. The 360 controllers are roughly the same with some streamlining and addition. FOR ME, it's a great fit, size-wise and ergonomically. With the new Dual Shock controllers coming out, I think the PS3 will be in the same boat, controller wise. It's the same fell, maybe a touch heavier. So, form a controller standpoint, if you liked the PS2 controller, you will like the PS3 controller. If you like the S-Controller, you will almost assuredly like the 360 controller (which can also work wirelessly or wired with your PC).

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Sty

I think the only selection criteria which one to buy is look at the games. Buy the console which games (current and past) you like more.

Dualshock 2/3 is SO much better than any XBOX controller I have controllers from both system.

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The PS3 has more problems than a simple "wait for _____" can fix.

1) The price problem
The absolute price of the PS3 is not so much the problem, but the relative prices of their competitors.

At every price point that the PS3 will EVER be at, the 360 will be there first, chipping away at the base of people who will tolerate, in this case $400 as a price point. 360 has been hacking away at that for nearly 2 full years.

When PS3 drops to $350, same problem. 360 has already been there and done that.

2) The ramifications of early marketshare, and secondarily, marketshare in general.

The singular variable of Marketshare has a massive effect on other variables:

3) "Wait for _____"

"Wait for _____" is the historical motto of those whose system is trailing in overall hardware marketshare.

Especially popular during the N64 and Gamecube eras, where games of critical acclaim and even good software sales were met with continued lackluster hardware sales.

While it is the case that ONE game, or even a handful of great games can move a lot of systems, it is not enough to make a system successful.

November U.S. Sales:

Nintendo DS 1.53 million
Wii 981K
Xbox 360 770K
PSP 567K
PlayStation 2 496K
PlayStation 3 466K (up from 121K in October [price drop])

November 2007 Top 10 Video Games Rank # Units

360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 1 1.57 million
WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 2 1.12 million
360 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 3 980K
PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 4 967K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 5 564K
360 MASS EFFECT MICROSOFT (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 6 473K
PS3 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 7 444K
WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 8 426K
360 HALO 3 MICROSOFT (CORP) SEP 2007 MATURE (M) 9 387K
PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 10 377K

Uncharted - 117k
Ratchet & Clank - 67k (140k LTD)

Did someone say Metacritic?



Look at the distribution of Dreamcast, N64 and Gamecube games in the top 10 all time rankings. The best games by itself is not enough to save a console.

Price by itself is not enough to save a console. Every Nintendo home console except the last one launched at $199.

In short, the PS3 has a long, hard fight ahead of it.

xepherys

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Dr Mario Kart, that's a damned good and well structured post. I like the data angle, so I thought I'd add some of my own.

First, from this link regarding November 2007 sales:

If I hadn't mentioned it before, I used to be a staid and true Sony fanatic. They never did any one thing specifically that made me stray... their business practices overall in a multitude of divisions alienated me against them as a brand and a business.

First of all, pricing. Overpricing isn't something new to Sony with the advent of the PS3. In the Audio/Video marketplace they often have identical-quality products (good quality, nonetheless) for a price 10-15% higher than other Tier 1 competitors. Same in the Computer/Laptop market.

Secondly, their SOE division does not listen to it's client base. Star Wars Galaxies is a prime (but not singular) example. They made vast changes that pushed away swaths of subscribers very rapidly. Planetside is another... the concept is pure gold. Basically an MMO version of Tribes 2. It was a certain win... except it failed miserably. I'm not sure precisely what their largest one-time subscriber base was, but it was never very large.

The VAIO line of PCs. As mentioned above, the price for performance scale is simply askew. Dell, HP, IBM and other Tier 1 OEMs have similar or identically spec'd systems for less money. Sony really does have a massive head in that market.

On to the PS3. Development has been a disaster with a very few developers sticking up for them (it's not hard to dev on the PS3 platform) and many saying exactly the opposite. You have to wonder when very Japanese oriented companies like Square Enix and Konami start making 360-exclusive titles. I mean, a few years ago if someone asked Square if they had planned an Xbox-exclusive game, I'm sure the interview would've been all but over. We're not talking diversifying either... we're talking straight-up platform exclusives.

Online capabilities are another issue wholly. Live is a tried and true, well rounded and well liked platform. The matching service is far and away the best out there (even compared to PC game-matching services). The array of XBLA games and services are already in place and growing as quickly as the PS3 network... so how will Sony catch up? Plus with the Games for Windows initiative slowly growing and allowing cross-system (360 vs. PC) gameplay, a new market of competitive gaming may grow quickly.

I've voiced my opinion many, many times about the HD format wars. Honestly, my dislike of Sony has little to do with choosing HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. I'm sure it colors some part, but from a technophile perspective, i really do want the best format. If Blu-Ray was vastly (or at all) better, I would swallow my pride and take the leap without hesitation. It's not. Technically, it's not. Theoretically, it's not.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. It's a hot issue for me on many levels. I hope you understand, too, that I am by no means a Microsoft fanboy. While I admire their growth as a US business, I also think that they spent the past two decades (until recently) not giving a shit and a half what the consumer needed or wanted. I see signs that that may be changing, but the jury is still out.

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We have a PS3. I live vicariously through my SO on the games though because I suck horribly and hand-eye coordination is a big issue for me, but it's been a blast watching him play the Darkness, Resistance, Heavenly Sword and cursing the world trying to beat Lair. And he downloads trials of a bunch of them before deciding to buy new games.
I love it because we Netflix a ton of Blu-Rays, stream audio and video from the file server in the other room, and a little birdie told me that there's going to be a divX codec released soon. It's sooo been worth it for us, even at the original $600 something price.

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I own both a PS3 and a 360. The PS3 blows the 360 piece of shit away technology wise. However, the games are lacking at the moment for the PS3. It'll be at least a year or so before developers will learn how to properly code for the PS3 rather then giving us shitty ports (Assassin's Creed anyone?).

That said, I can be fucked to turn on my 360 for anything but Mass Effect. It's fucking loud.

--jaded

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MontanaXVI

Not to get off the topic, but just curious in your eyes what makes HD DVD the better of the two formats?

I won't lie I support Blu-ray (kinda have to since I have a PS3) but as far as I know it can hold more data, so it should be the better format since it is all about how much data we can get on the disks right? Higher quality video needs more space, higher quality/uncompressed/lossless audio needs more space right?

I'm not really too bias though, I only own 2 Blu-ray movies (holding out to see which actually does win the format war) so some insight on the situation would be greatly appreciated. so as not to stray you are more than welcome to PM me your response so we don't detract from the thread.

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I have a PS3, love it! I really only play MLB "the show" on it but still worth the money i spent, i think it was around 600 bucks when i got it.

My only complaint is that there are not more games available. The Xbox just got the new Ace Combat 6 and no release for the PS3 which burns my butt. Still i think in a year or two it will have a ton games, just now it is so weak.