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Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 05:59 AM

OK. So the tide of Conservative blue that was supposed to sweep down on us was held in check once more by Ontario. Was it just me or did Harper sound kind of pissed off during his accpetance speech?

The Liberals have a minority government. I think this is what most of us wanted... they get their wrists slapped for sponsorship scandal but remain in power because most Canadians don't want the Conservatives or the NDP holding the reigns.

I was amazed to see that the NDP did not take more seats in downtown Toronto, they were supposed to take four seats but managed only one (Jack Layton, in my riding Toronto-Danforth). It will be good to see Ed Broadbent back in the house (for Ottawa-Centre)... I always liked his statesmanship.

It looks to me like the polls were very wrong or that there was a huge shift over the last four days of the election. It looks like Martin's attack ads of the last few days really worked.

What was interesting to me was that in the popular vote (the number of votes cast as opposed to seats won) saw both the Liberals and the Conservatives lose ground while the Bloc, NDP and Other (Greens, Marijuana, Marxist-Leninists, Christian Coalition, etc.) gain ground. It was an interesting shift to the left in the popular vote. To me this just underscores the need to overhaul the electoral system to reflect this sort of voting rather than the current first past the post...

My favourite part of the election night was for about 10 minutes, early in the polls, when the Marxist-Leninist candidate for Mississauga was in the lead and therefore appeared on the "Elected or Leading" tally board. I found that highly amusing.

My second favourite was Rick Mercer's bit on the CBC. Amongst other things he suggested that not only should the leaders share power in a minority situation they should also share Sussex Drive (the Prime Minister's residence). You know install some bunk beds so they can all get a place to sleep. He pointed out that the leaders really hate each other and the pain this working to together will cause is a good thing... That the first thing Paul Martin should see when he comes down the stairs in the morning is Jack Layton in a speedo, after swimming laps in the pool and his wife Olivia Chow mixing up smoothies in the kitchen... very funny.

Enough of my ramblings... what are your thoughts on all of this?

splck · 06-29-2004, 06:11 AM

Yet again the sheep from Ontario have spoken

seriously..will we ever learn to not trust polls?

Daval · 06-29-2004, 06:25 AM

That would be like the bestest reality show ever. 10 politicians in the sussex drive all trying to be prime minister. Each week the canadians can call in there votes as to who is booted out of the house!

Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Daval
That would be like the bestest reality show ever. 10 politicians in the sussex drive all trying to be prime minister. Each week the canadians can call in there votes as to who is booted out of the house!

That's just what I was thinking... The cameras catch the backroom deals and backstabbing... Jack Layton hitting on Harper's wife...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Splck

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Yet again the sheep from Ontario have spoken

Baa.

Seriously, don't blame me for the Liberals in Ontario... I vote NDP.

Daval · 06-29-2004, 06:54 AM

I voted Conservative.

Which was wierd because on my Ballot there was a PC - Progressive Conservative party of Canada candidate. What the hell was that? That must have been cause for huge confusion.

Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 06:59 AM

It wasn't the Progressive Conservatives... PC stood for Progressive Canadians. They were made up of those in the Progressive Conservatives who fought the merger and didn't want to join the newly amalgamated Conservative Party.

They lost the right to use the name Progressive Conservative so they named their new party Progressive Canadians so they would still have the PC short form... it was sure to cause a bit of confusion... but that was kind of the point I'm sure.

Here is a LINK to Globe Story on the topic

Daval · 06-29-2004, 07:26 AM

Thanks for the info.

I wonder if the Conservatives lost any ridings due to vote splitting and confusion.

highthief · 06-29-2004, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Charlatan
OK. So the tide of Conservative blue that was supposed to sweep down on us was held in check once more by Ontario. Was it just me or did Harper sound kind of pissed off during his accpetance speech?

Yeah, he did. That's something he has to work on - being a little more gracious in defeat, admitting he made a big ass error for not apologizing to Martin about the child porn thing.

At the end of the day though, I don't think Harper is the leader for this party in the next election. It's apparent that most of Ontario and the Maritimes and all of Quebec continue to distrust his Alliance roots.

They should get Bernard Lord from New Brunswick to run as leder next time. Young guy, fluently bilingual - he'd deliver the Maritime and Quebec vote and Ontario would trust him.

Dr.Who · 06-29-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by highthief

They should get Bernard Lord from New Brunswick to run as leder next time. Young guy, fluently bilingual - he'd deliver the Maritime and Quebec vote and Ontario would trust him.

With Lord as the Leader of the PC, he would be the prime minister this morning.

I'm happy of the result, Martin don't have any choice now to go smoth on the NDP wich is good for the country. I would have love to see more seats to Layton and hope that in the future, Canadians will see a option of the Liberals in the NDP.

Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 09:07 AM

I was just thinking this morning that I really prefer our electoral system to that of the US. 38 days of campaigning followed by an election.

Little muss, little fuss and it's over.

It seems to me that they are perpetually campaigning in the US... I'm surprised they have time to govern.

Averett · 06-29-2004, 09:10 AM

You're right Charlatan. I think I'd prefer it too.

Although I am extreemly confused about it all.

Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 09:24 AM

Don't sweat it... many people here have no clue how things work either...

Anyone else concerned that the NDP and the Liberals don't have a combined majority? They are one short at a combined total of 154 (135 + 19)... This leaves the Bloc holding the balance of power rather than the NDP.

This is going to be a tricky parliament. Issue by issue the parties will have to form strategic alliances...

I give it 18 months or less before we are at the polls again... so that would make a new election: October/November 2005

KnifeMissile · 06-29-2004, 09:51 AM

Honestly, I think what did it in for Harper was his bragging about winning a majority government. I assure you, few in Ontario are happy with the Liberals and didn't particularly want Martin as prime minister but when Harper claimed to win majority government, Ontarians got scared and strategically voted the Liberals in...

ThrasheR · 06-29-2004, 09:52 AM

No, there is one Independent from BC!
He must hold all the power!

Anyways, I hate Harper, so I'm alright with the results.

highthief · 06-29-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by ThrasheR
No, there is one Independent from BC!
He must hold all the power!

Anyways, I hate Harper, so I'm alright with the results.

Yeah, that one indy guy is about to get an international airport, a hockey team and his streets paved with gold if he helps the Liberals!

skier · 06-29-2004, 11:22 AM

I think it'll be interesting to see what he does with this enormous political influence. Play both sides for the win in BC?

Charlatan · 06-29-2004, 12:34 PM

The independant is a former member of the Alliance. He left them for reason I am not clear on...

splck · 06-29-2004, 03:37 PM

He's not my MP, but the story was big around here. He was one of the more popular MP out this way.

As you can see the people voted for him in a big way with his former party getting only 4340 votes.
Chuck Cadman NA 15088
Jim Karpoff NDP 8317
Dan Sheel LIB 5413
Jasbir Singh Cheema CON 4340

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Cadman Will Run As Independent
Constituents Upset Over Nomination Process

Ottawa:
Chuck Cadman, two-term MP for the BC riding of Surrey North, declared today that he will seek re-election as an independent candidate. His decision comes a month after losing his party's nomination to a Vancouverite who joined the party in January and is virtually unknown to Surrey residents.

"Before anyone suggests otherwise, I want to emphatically state that my decision has absolutely nothing to do with any dissention on my part with respect to Stephen Harper, my Caucus colleagues or the Party - because there simply is none. This is not about dissent or differences of opinion," says Cadman. "I have assured Mr. Harper of that.

Hundreds of constituents, as well as many others from across BC and elsewhere in Canada, have contacted Cadman to express their outrage over the manner in which the Conservative Party nomination in Surrey North was, in their view, usurped. They are furious that a Vancouver resident with no connection to, or knowledge of Surrey secured the nomination by swamping the local riding association with more than 1,500 instant members, all signed up in a few weeks prior to the cut-off date.

"I have repeated what I have been told - that the rules, as they are, were apparently followed. But I still can't go anywhere in this city without people complaining to me that the process is seriously flawed and must be changed. In response, I developed and introduced a private member's bill to address their concerns but folks have made it abundantly clear to me that they want to see my name on the ballot. I have pondered this decision for weeks. I do not make it lightly as I am aware of the ramifications. However, I feel an obligation to the constituents of Surrey North who first elected me in 1997 with nearly 50% of the vote and returned me in 2000 with 56% - they want me to do this," concludes Cadman who points out that candidate selection controversies have been evident in all parties at all levels across the country

Charlatan · 06-30-2004, 07:01 AM

Seems very clear which way this Independent MP will vote. In fact, I heard him this morning on CBC Radio One saying that he has been a strong critic on Liberal policy for a very long time.

While he says he will vote on an issue by issue basis, I don't see him agreeing with the Centre Left of the house.

Quadraton · 06-30-2004, 05:12 PM

Federal Election Results

For those who were interested in knowing how each candidate did in their ridings.

OFKU0 · 06-30-2004, 07:27 PM

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I read this in the Ottawa Sun today and just had to add this because it gave me a good laugh. And the Liberals claim the Conservatives are extremists.

Someone please tell me all Liberals are not this out to lunch or err,...breakfast.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Column...30/519655.html

Quadraton · 06-30-2004, 10:01 PM

I don't understand what Harper's problem is.

When the man took the lead of the CPC, the plan was that they would be able to make a majority government within two elections. Suddenly, just because they came within a glimpse of a majority in this election (which show how polls are useless pieces of crap), they consider this an utter failure, even to the point where Harper is contemplating on stepping down?

The man should take consolation in the fact that he managed to do what no other party has been able to do in over 10 years. He managed to penetrate the Liberal stronghold in Ontario, which is exactly why the Liberals don't have a majority government right now (well, that and the Bloc).

OFKU0 · 07-01-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Quadraton
I don't understand what Harper's problem is.

When the man took the lead of the CPC, the plan was that they would be able to make a majority government within two elections. Suddenly, just because they came within a glimpse of a majority in this election (which show how polls are useless pieces of crap), they consider this an utter failure, even to the point where Harper is contemplating on stepping down?

The man should take consolation in the fact that he managed to do what no other party has been able to do in over 10 years. He managed to penetrate the Liberal stronghold in Ontario, which is exactly why the Liberals don't have a majority government right now (well, that and the Bloc).

Maybe he is starting to believe the rhetoric that is being directed at him ie,...he's a monster, he will rip babies out of there womb and eat them, taxes will rise a billion kazillion %, he will force all quebecers to forgo their native tongue for swahilli, he will make the sky fall as everyone predicts, Canada will slump into a millenium long depression if he becomes PM,

OR,...

he realizes that the power structure in Canada is centrally located and will never change no matter how open minded or narrow minded the electorate is. Canadians don't want someone with a vision to try and make the country better, they want safe, safer, and safest and no matter how static and stagnant the country gets.

I think it is sad that so many people only believe what they want to believe because someone tells them to believe it. Case in point with the Liberal attack ads which were mainly false. Stephen Harper decides not to gravitate to that level, or Paul Martins level and he is not only punished for it, he is labelled an extremist. Give me an extremist like Harper anyday of the week rather than a desperate Paul Martin, whose only concern is fuelling his own ego. If he cared about Canadians as he pretends, he wouldn't have destroyed the heathcare in this country when he was finance minister. But that is ancient history and no one cares.

Maybe he knows that between the Liberals and NDP, that the country will be pushed to the fiscal limits, and most probably, nothing will change, and he will maybe decide to steer clear.I don't blame him.Me thinks things are going to get very expensive since both the Liberals and NDP basically have to make good on billions upon billions in promises. And who is going to pay for it?.

Throwing money at a problem to try and coerce people into thinking one is doing something, is as good as a three day old bandaid on a waterslide. It won't stick. Solutions are what this country needs and after listening to Stephen Harper, though I didn't agree with every thing he said, was the only one in my mind with fresh ideas and a vision, something that has been sorely lacking in Canadian politics for 40 years. It's unfortunate too from my perspective because I like people who think, are creative and intelligent and genuinely want the best, and I think Harper wanted the the best for this country. Oh well, back to the same old,same old. No risk, no gain.

splck · 07-02-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by OFKU0
Maybe he is starting to believe the rhetoric that is being directed at him ie,...he's a monster, he will rip babies out of there womb and eat them, taxes will rise a billion kazillion %, he will force all quebecers to forgo their native tongue for swahilli, he will make the sky fall as everyone predicts, Canada will slump into a millenium long depression if he becomes PM,

OR,...

he realizes that the power structure in Canada is centrally located and will never change no matter how open minded or narrow minded the electorate is. Canadians don't want someone with a vision to try and make the country better, they want safe, safer, and safest and no matter how static and stagnant the country gets.

I think it is sad that so many people only believe what they want to believe because someone tells them to believe it. Case in point with the Liberal attack ads which were mainly false. Stephen Harper decides not to gravitate to that level, or Paul Martins level and he is not only punished for it, he is labelled an extremist. Give me an extremist like Harper anyday of the week rather than a desperate Paul Martin, whose only concern is fuelling his own ego. If he cared about Canadians as he pretends, he wouldn't have destroyed the heathcare in this country when he was finance minister. But that is ancient history and no one cares.

Maybe he knows that between the Liberals and NDP, that the country will be pushed to the fiscal limits, and most probably, nothing will change, and he will maybe decide to steer clear.I don't blame him.Me thinks things are going to get very expensive since both the Liberals and NDP basically have to make good on billions upon billions in promises. And who is going to pay for it?.

Throwing money at a problem to try and coerce people into thinking one is doing something, is as good as a three day old bandaid on a waterslide. It won't stick. Solutions are what this country needs and after listening to Stephen Harper, though I didn't agree with every thing he said, was the only one in my mind with fresh ideas and a vision, something that has been sorely lacking in Canadian politics for 40 years. It's unfortunate too from my perspective because I like people who think, are creative and intelligent and genuinely want the best, and I think Harper wanted the the best for this country. Oh well, back to the same old,same old. No risk, no gain.

Another post by OFKU0 that I have to give a

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highthief · 07-03-2004, 02:31 AM

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Originally posted by OFKU0
Case in point with the Liberal attack ads which were mainly false. Stephen Harper decides not to gravitate to that level, or Paul Martins level and he is not only punished for it, he is labelled an extremist.

Other than saying Martin supports child pornography, of course...

OFKU0 · 07-03-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by highthief
Other than saying Martin supports child pornography, of course...

That admittedly was a mistake. Some rogue Conservative got too cute and Harper paid for it. And it is Harpers fault since he is leader. He should have done what Paul Martin did days before the election. Find all the live wires (ie Dalton Mcguinty) and tie them up in some room with duct tape so as to not say something stupid. But that comes with experience.

But rather than the kiddie porn thing,what Harper should have leaked through his party was the Liberal party stance, or lack of on the Young Offenders Act. A parliamentary commitee supported by mainly Alliance members tried several times to make changes to the Act but was always quashed by the Liberals. Some of my friends who work on Parliament Hill told me the revisions were so good that the Liberals couldn't make changes to take credit so the bill was a lame duck. Harper should have went with that.

Either, or during the 2002 Winter Olympics when the Liberals quietly closed the file for good regarding equal child custody rights. I guess they figured Canadian men were more interested in who would win gold rather than their rights as a parent. Guess they were right.

Charlatan · 07-06-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by OFKU0
he realizes that the power structure in Canada is centrally located and will never change no matter how open minded or narrow minded the electorate is. Canadians don't want someone with a vision to try and make the country better, they want safe, safer, and safest and no matter how static and stagnant the country gets.

This is just sour grapes. Look at how the vote went. The reality is that the Conservatives and the Liberals lost votes in the popular totals while the Bloc, Greens and NDP all gained in the popular totals. This shows a distint shift to the LEFT rather to the right as the Conservatives would have needed to secure even a Minority.

The Conservatives have to start acting like a National Party if they want to control the parliament. With a leader like Harper, who advocated the "firewall" around Alberta and in the last days of the election showed his true colours by suggesting that "Alberta will now be in charge", it doesn't surprise me that Canadians outside of Alberta chose another option.

Interestingly, there was a high percentage of votes for Liberal and NDP candidates in the west... just no seats. I don't hear you getting upset for those voters who don't get representation in the House of Commons.

Also interesting is that the Conservatives made inroads into Ontario winning 24 seat and 31.5% of the popular vote. A year ago this was unthinkable.

I'm not sure what the complaint is... This is the first election of a united right. They made more gains (seat wise) than they have in the last few elections.

I think you really need to look at Canadian voting trends... traditional voting trends have been Centre Left... The American style conservatism that Harper was espousing just doesn't appeal to a large number of Canadians... we are proud of our traditions of progressive social politics.

As I've said elsewhere, only proportional representation (of some form or another) will solve this issue of under representation from the disconnect between popular vote and the number of seats held.

Quebec:
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Bloc Québécois........54............1,672,184...........48.8
Conservative.............0..............300,499..............8.8
Green Party...............0..............108,650..............3.2
Liberal.....................21............1,159,879.............33.9
N.D.P.........................0..............158,838................4.6

Ontario:
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Conservative..........24.............1,592,724..........31.5
Green Party..............0................226,014............4.5
Liberal....................75.............2,260,172...........44.7
N.D.P........................7................915,310...........18.1

Manitoba
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Conservative...........7................185,022................39.1
Green Party.............0..................12,894................2.7
Liberal.....................3................156,970................33.2
N.D.P.......................4................110,901................23.5

Saskatchewan
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Conservative........13................178,180................41.8
Green Party............0..................11,522................2.7
Liberal....................1................115,671................27.2
N.D.P......................0...................99,479................23.4

Alberta
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Conservative.........26................783,379................61.6
Green Party.............0..................78,095................6.2
Liberal.....................2................279,219................22.0
N.D.P.......................0................121,249................9.5

BC
PARTY............SEATS.......# of Votes...........% of pop vote
Conservative......22................625,071................36.2
Green Party..........0................109,538................6.4
Liberal..................8................492,865................28.6
N.D.P....................5................457,815................26.6

06-29-2004, 05:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The Election is over! OK. So the tide of Conservative blue that was supposed to sweep down on us was held in check once more by Ontario. Was it just me or did Harper sound kind of pissed off during his accpetance speech? The Liberals have a minority government. I think this is what most of us wanted... they get their wrists slapped for sponsorship scandal but remain in power because most Canadians don't want the Conservatives or the NDP holding the reigns. I was amazed to see that the NDP did not take more seats in downtown Toronto, they were supposed to take four seats but managed only one (Jack Layton, in my riding Toronto-Danforth). It will be good to see Ed Broadbent back in the house (for Ottawa-Centre)... I always liked his statesmanship. It looks to me like the polls were very wrong or that there was a huge shift over the last four days of the election. It looks like Martin's attack ads of the last few days really worked. What was interesting to me was that in the popular vote (the number of votes cast as opposed to seats won) saw both the Liberals and the Conservatives lose ground while the Bloc, NDP and Other (Greens, Marijuana, Marxist-Leninists, Christian Coalition, etc.) gain ground. It was an interesting shift to the left in the popular vote. To me this just underscores the need to overhaul the electoral system to reflect this sort of voting rather than the current first past the post... My favourite part of the election night was for about 10 minutes, early in the polls, when the Marxist-Leninist candidate for Mississauga was in the lead and therefore appeared on the "Elected or Leading" tally board. I found that highly amusing. My second favourite was Rick Mercer's bit on the CBC. Amongst other things he suggested that not only should the leaders share power in a minority situation they should also share Sussex Drive (the Prime Minister's residence). You know install some bunk beds so they can all get a place to sleep. He pointed out that the leaders really hate each other and the pain this working to together will cause is a good thing... That the first thing Paul Martin should see when he comes down the stairs in the morning is Jack Layton in a speedo, after swimming laps in the pool and his wife Olivia Chow mixing up smoothies in the kitchen... very funny. Enough of my ramblings... what are your thoughts on all of this? __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-29-2004, 06:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	Yet again the sheep from Ontario have spoken seriously..will we ever learn to not trust polls? __________________ nice line eh?

06-29-2004, 06:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	That would be like the bestest reality show ever. 10 politicians in the sussex drive all trying to be prime minister. Each week the canadians can call in there votes as to who is booted out of the house! __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-29-2004, 06:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	I voted Conservative. Which was wierd because on my Ballot there was a PC - Progressive Conservative party of Canada candidate. What the hell was that? That must have been cause for huge confusion. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-29-2004, 06:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	It wasn't the Progressive Conservatives... PC stood for Progressive Canadians. They were made up of those in the Progressive Conservatives who fought the merger and didn't want to join the newly amalgamated Conservative Party. They lost the right to use the name Progressive Conservative so they named their new party Progressive Canadians so they would still have the PC short form... it was sure to cause a bit of confusion... but that was kind of the point I'm sure. Here is a LINK to Globe Story on the topic __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-29-2004, 07:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	Thanks for the info. I wonder if the Conservatives lost any ridings due to vote splitting and confusion. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-29-2004, 09:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I was just thinking this morning that I really prefer our electoral system to that of the US. 38 days of campaigning followed by an election. Little muss, little fuss and it's over. It seems to me that they are perpetually campaigning in the US... I'm surprised they have time to govern. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-29-2004, 09:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	You're right Charlatan. I think I'd prefer it too. Although I am extreemly confused about it all. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

06-29-2004, 09:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Don't sweat it... many people here have no clue how things work either... Anyone else concerned that the NDP and the Liberals don't have a combined majority? They are one short at a combined total of 154 (135 + 19)... This leaves the Bloc holding the balance of power rather than the NDP. This is going to be a tricky parliament. Issue by issue the parties will have to form strategic alliances... I give it 18 months or less before we are at the polls again... so that would make a new election: October/November 2005 __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-29-2004, 09:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
KnifeMissile Location: Waterloo, Ontario	Honestly, I think what did it in for Harper was his bragging about winning a majority government. I assure you, few in Ontario are happy with the Liberals and didn't particularly want Martin as prime minister but when Harper claimed to win majority government, Ontarians got scared and strategically voted the Liberals in...

06-29-2004, 09:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
ThrasheR Upright	No, there is one Independent from BC! He must hold all the power! Anyways, I hate Harper, so I'm alright with the results. __________________ SO I CAN FIND MY OWN POSTS

06-29-2004, 11:22 AM	#16 (permalink)
skier Rawr! Location: Edmontania	I think it'll be interesting to see what he does with this enormous political influence. Play both sides for the win in BC? __________________ "Asking a bomb squad if an old bomb is still "real" is not the best thing to do if you want to save it." - denim

06-29-2004, 12:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The independant is a former member of the Alliance. He left them for reason I am not clear on... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-30-2004, 07:01 AM	#19 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Seems very clear which way this Independent MP will vote. In fact, I heard him this morning on CBC Radio One saying that he has been a strong critic on Liberal policy for a very long time. While he says he will vote on an issue by issue basis, I don't see him agreeing with the Centre Left of the house. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-30-2004, 05:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
Quadraton Addict Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	Federal Election Results For those who were interested in knowing how each candidate did in their ridings. __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

06-30-2004, 10:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Quadraton Addict Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	I don't understand what Harper's problem is. When the man took the lead of the CPC, the plan was that they would be able to make a majority government within two elections. Suddenly, just because they came within a glimpse of a majority in this election (which show how polls are useless pieces of crap), they consider this an utter failure, even to the point where Harper is contemplating on stepping down? The man should take consolation in the fact that he managed to do what no other party has been able to do in over 10 years. He managed to penetrate the Liberal stronghold in Ontario, which is exactly why the Liberals don't have a majority government right now (well, that and the Bloc). __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire Last edited by Quadraton; 06-30-2004 at 10:03 PM..