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spectre · 03-21-2009, 08:27 PM

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Iranian leader: Obama's rhetoric not enough

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Saturday he sees no change in U.S. policy toward Iran despite the U.S. promise of a "new beginning."

Khamenei said a change in rhetoric is not enough, and Washington must practice what it preaches, according to the English-language Press TV channel in Iran.

He also promised that Iran will change its policy if the United States does so as well, Press TV reported.

Khamenei's comments, which he made in a televised address to mark the start of the Iranian New Year on Friday, come a day after U.S. President Barack Obama reached out to Iran in a videotaped message.

A spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad condemned U.S. foreign policy Friday in response to the video.

Obama's message spoke of "new beginnings" with the promise of a new year.

"My administration is now committed to diplomacy that addresses the full range of issues before us, and to pursuing constructive ties among the United States, Iran and the international community," the president said in his message Friday.

Obama said the United States seeks engagement with Iran that is "honest and grounded in mutual respect."

The president's message is part of a dramatic shift in tone from that of the Bush administration, which branded Iran as part of an "axis of evil" along with North Korea and Iraq. It also echoes Obama's inaugural speech in which he told the Muslim world, "We seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect."
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Ahmadinejad said last month that Iran would welcome talks with the United States "in a fair atmosphere with mutual respect."

Khamenei also said world powers have come to realize they are not able to block Iran's nuclear progress. He looked back on the February 25 testing of Iran's first nuclear power plant, at Bushehr, as one of the "joyful developments" of the past year.

Last month, the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security released a report saying that Iran has reached "nuclear weapons breakout capability" -- it has enough uranium to make a nuclear bomb.

The report was based on an analysis of data from the International Atomic Energy Agency. However, an IAEA official who asked not to be named cautioned against drawing such dramatic conclusions from the data, saying Iran's stock of low-enriched uranium would have to be turned into highly enriched uranium to be weapons-grade material. That hasn't been done, the official said.

The United States has had tortuous relations with Tehran since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Meanwhile, the widow of the late founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, died Saturday morning after a long period of illness, the Iranian-run Islamic Republic News Agency said.
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A funeral for Khadije Saghafi was scheduled to be held Sunday in Tehran and she was set to be laid to rest in Khomeini's tomb, the agency reported.

Khomeini was the leader of the 1979 revolution that led to the toppling of the shah of Iran and the ushering in of an Islamic state. He died in 1989.

Khomeini claims that a change in US policy towards Iran will cause a shift in how the countries view each other, but is there really any realistic chance that, even with a major shift in US policy towards Iran that anything will actually change?

In a country where the nominal GDP ranks 29th at nearly 400 billion dollars, yet the per capital annual GDP ranks 85th at just over $5000, is Tehran willing to let go of the US as a scapegoat for any problems faced within the country?

In the end, I don't think this is anything more than rhetoric. He's assuming Obama will not meet what he's asked for, so he can easily turn around and say, "we were willing to try, but once again, the US is completely unwilling to step up to the table."

Your thoughts?

uncle phil · 03-22-2009, 03:08 AM

nuke 'em 'til they glow?

BadNick · 03-22-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle phil

...'til they glow?...

whoa, man!!! I just had a flashback to the psychedelic ayatollah

james t kirk · 03-22-2009, 01:14 PM

The gov't in Iran survives on crisis.

No crisis and the people will begin to ask pointy questions like, "how come we're so poor and you're so rich?", and "how come we don't have free will?" and "why is it that we can't have free elections?", "and what about women's rights?"

The current gov't in Iran is basically a totalarian hard line regime steeped in Islamic rhetoric.

No-one in their right mind would want that kind of government.

A perpetual state of war with the US is required in order to ensure its unquestioned survival. "Now is not the time to be questioning the word of the Ayatollah Ibrihm, the USA wants to destroy us all"

Now what happens when that is not the case and all the Iranian people see is a bunch of incompetent fools telling them what to do?

The problem for the Ayatollahs and the rest of their useless buddies is the internet.

The great communication revolution is more powerful than anything before or since. It allows the Iranians access to see and know what is really going on in the world, not was some Islamo fascist tells them. And the beauty is that the Ayatollahs can't stop it. The Iranians aren't that much different than you or I. They want freedom, they want security, they want blue jeans.

Without the threat of big bad America, these fools will surely fall.

Obama held out an olive branch and the Iranian people now know it.

30 years of trying to beat Iran into the ground with a stick simply have not worked. Quite the opposite in fact. Obama is simply smart enough to realize that and he's removing the threat.

ring · 03-22-2009, 02:20 PM

...eye spy a spectacled smoothness....

please don't kill the best math teachers in the world please.

BadNick · 03-22-2009, 03:34 PM

I hope we can maintain a consistent offer of peace and cooperation, but I'm concerned that the hardliners can create a situation where that will be hard to do.

uncle phil · 03-23-2009, 01:08 PM

if we can ensure peace and prosperity not only for ourselves but also for all the nations of the world, praise will rain down upon us, good things will be said about us, and we will be princes in our realm...

03-22-2009, 03:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nuke 'em 'til they glow? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-23-2009, 01:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	if we can ensure peace and prosperity not only for ourselves but also for all the nations of the world, praise will rain down upon us, good things will be said about us, and we will be princes in our realm... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

03-22-2009, 01:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	The gov't in Iran survives on crisis. No crisis and the people will begin to ask pointy questions like, "how come we're so poor and you're so rich?", and "how come we don't have free will?" and "why is it that we can't have free elections?", "and what about women's rights?" The current gov't in Iran is basically a totalarian hard line regime steeped in Islamic rhetoric. No-one in their right mind would want that kind of government. A perpetual state of war with the US is required in order to ensure its unquestioned survival. "Now is not the time to be questioning the word of the Ayatollah Ibrihm, the USA wants to destroy us all" Now what happens when that is not the case and all the Iranian people see is a bunch of incompetent fools telling them what to do? The problem for the Ayatollahs and the rest of their useless buddies is the internet. The great communication revolution is more powerful than anything before or since. It allows the Iranians access to see and know what is really going on in the world, not was some Islamo fascist tells them. And the beauty is that the Ayatollahs can't stop it. The Iranians aren't that much different than you or I. They want freedom, they want security, they want blue jeans. Without the threat of big bad America, these fools will surely fall. Obama held out an olive branch and the Iranian people now know it. 30 years of trying to beat Iran into the ground with a stick simply have not worked. Quite the opposite in fact. Obama is simply smart enough to realize that and he's removing the threat.

03-22-2009, 02:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
ring ░ Location: ❤	...eye spy a spectacled smoothness.... please don't kill the best math teachers in the world please.

03-22-2009, 03:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I hope we can maintain a consistent offer of peace and cooperation, but I'm concerned that the hardliners can create a situation where that will be hard to do.