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amonkie · 11-09-2009, 03:16 AM

He already said no....

I'm half tempted to say Ohio because Cobain's Mustang is on display at the Rock n Roll Hall of fame.. but that just doesn't fit.

Only other landlocked state left is Arkansas... but that's west of Miss.

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 04:27 AM

oh no, mon amie <<< hey, see how I did that? ...not the only other landlocked state.

I didn't even know KC's Mustang is in Cleveland! ...and as you so correctly surmised, I'm not in Ohia...nor Arkansas ...why do they pronouced it "Kansas" but when you add the "Ar" in front, it's suddenly Ar-kansaw? ....another of the unending mysteries of the universe.

this might help: when unc first asked me if I'm north of 40 and I looked it up, I was ready to say "yes" but then surprised myself that it is actually not north of the 40...so look closely.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 04:30 AM

illinois?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 04:34 AM

nope...way too far west

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 04:44 AM

indiana?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 06:22 AM

go east, young man, go east

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 06:30 AM

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 06:40 AM

yepa

---------- Post added at 09:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 AM ----------

I am in a historically significant building from way back during the time there was that tea party.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 07:10 AM

not the old customs house?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 08:24 AM

no, but if you look south from there, you can't miss this sticking up above everything else.

Or if you're driving down I-95 between the sports complex and downtown, you see this building obviously jutting up above everything else around there, just west of the highway. As I was driving by there with my kids, I'd point it out and ask "hey, do you know what that building is?" and then I'd explain it to them, and the significance of the shape of the building to its intended (and successful) function. But when I did that last week my boy said "dad, we already know that"...and he repeated the whole story to me ...so I suppose they did learn something.

I'm gonna see if I can see this bldg from google street view...that would be cool <<< found it! You can actually walk down the street and look up at this cool building.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 10:28 AM

cira center?

Tully Mars · 11-09-2009, 10:32 AM

Independence Hall?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 10:46 AM

nope, neither of those.

clue: this building was important in supporting the early U.S. arms and munitions requirements. It's not the only building of its kind in the U.S., but it was the first one of its kind in America.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 10:54 AM

frankford arsenal?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 10:59 AM

not a bad guess, but Frankford Arsenal is in Bridesburg and I'm in South Philly, a few miles south of the Arsenal, and on the other side of I-95 since the Arsenal is on the east side. But bullets are a key clue for the building I'm at now.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 12:00 PM

betsy ross house?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 12:11 PM

did she make bullets? I think not. Go further south...maybe a mile or so.

Possible "mislead" correction...I said it had to do with the tea party, but this building was actually built a few years later in the very early 1800's.

clue: other than the word "bullet" what word was used as the common name of pistol and rifle projectiles at that time? That word is part of the name of this place.

Tully Mars · 11-09-2009, 12:32 PM

Carpenters' Hall?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 12:36 PM

nope...further south....though I realize my over-familiarity with the locations here are of no real help unless you know Philadelphia quite well.

try to focus on that last bullet clue I gave above...if you guess that word I'll confirm it and then finding this building should be easier since it has that word in its name.

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 01:27 PM

the philadelphia armory?

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 01:52 PM

nope.

I'll hold off a bit longer and then I might have to tell you the clue word if somebody doesn't get it by later this evening...Eastern U.S. time.

Back in the 1700's to early 1800's, most hand guns used bullets that were called "----"

uncle phil · 11-09-2009, 02:10 PM

Sparks Shot Tower

there's one in baltimore, too...

BadNick · 11-09-2009, 06:06 PM

bingo, you found me, unc. You're up next.

I love ya, unc, but I was hoping amonkie would win since she's the new kid on the block..you know, make her feel wanted and stuff.

Sparks Shot Tower
Sparks Shot Tower looks like a smoke stack with a lid on top, but it's really America's first shot tower built in 1808. Shot towers revolutionized the making of musket balls and other solid projectiles based on the principle that molten lead will form perfect round balls when poured from a high place.

Until this discovery, gun shot was made by pouring the lead into wooden molds. Plumber Thomas Sparks and a partner created a 142-foot-high brick tower with a 30-foot circumference at its base tapering to 15 feet at the top. It stands along the Delaware River waterfront at Carpenter Street in South Philly and is easily seen from Route I-95.

The molten lead was poured through a mesh with different sized holes for different sizes of shot. The balls fell into a large container of water. The tower produced tons of ammunition during the War of 1812 and the Civil War. Four generations of the Sparks family kept the tower in operation until 1903. The tower is now part of a city playground with a recreation center at the base. It's a prime example of Philadelphia's reputation for superb brickwork.

Here's the two cool pics I printed from Google Maps Street View, and then walking around the neighborhood until I could look up and see the Sparks Shot Tower:

unc, I just found out that this one in Baltimore was the tallest structure in the U.S. for about twenty years!:

Phoenix Shot Tower or later the Merchants Shot Tower, Baltimore, MD
Perhaps the most famous shot tower remaining is the Phoenix Shot Tower in Baltimore, Maryland. Erected in 1828, the tower is the last of four in Baltimore that were used for making shot, or lead pellets, used as ammunition in muskets. The shot was made of molten lead that was heated by furnaces inside the tower, poured through sieves at the top and dropped into tanks of water near the base.

The building is considered an engineering marvel because it took more than one million bricks to construct; it was erected in less than six months without the use of exterior scaffolding, and it stood as the nation's tallest structure for nearly two decades. When the building was threatened with demolition in 1921, a group of citizens bought it and gave it to the city for preservation.

At its peak, the tower produced up to 500,000 25-pound bags of shot a year, making it one of the nation's largest suppliers of ammunition. It operated until 1892, when rising costs forced the owners to abandon it.

Shot Towers were not uncommon in 19th century skylines. One of three in Baltimore was built on the corner of Fallsway and Fayette St. in 1828. The Phoenix Shot Tower Company of Baltimore constructed it without the use of scaffolding. Charles Carroll of Carrollton laid the corner stone. Molten lead was dropped from the top of the tower. As it fell, it formed balls. Water at the bottom would catch and cool the shot. The tower and surrounding plant was acquired by the Merchant's Shot Tower Company, who manufactured shot there until 1892.

Union Oil bought the factory in 1921 with the intention of tearing it down and building a gas station in its place. Public outcry saved the tower, and the gas station was built along side it. In 1924 Union Oil gave the Shot Tower to the city. It was restored in 1976 and opened to the public as a museum.

The Phoenix Shot Tower was a lead shot manufacturing facility that was in operation from 1828 to 1892. Molten lead was dropped from a platform at the top of the tower through a sieve-like device and into a vat of cold water. When hardened, dried and polished, the shot was sorted into 25-pound bags. Over 234 feet in height, the Shot Tower was the tallest structure in the United States until the Washington Monument in Washington, DC was completed after the Civil War.

The Shot Tower was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1972.

uncle phil · 11-10-2009, 03:12 AM

i'll have to think on it for a while...

i'll be someplace later today...

BadNick · 11-10-2009, 06:33 AM

are we there yet?

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 03:25 AM

ok, find me...

amonkie · 11-11-2009, 03:39 AM

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 04:10 AM

nope...

BadNick · 11-11-2009, 06:19 AM

Tully Mars · 11-11-2009, 06:33 AM

on land?

BadNick · 11-11-2009, 06:47 AM

hovering in the air? e.g., in the Blimp

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 06:59 AM

tully - yup

nick - nope

BadNick · 11-11-2009, 07:07 AM

nope to both WH and hovering?

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 07:52 AM

yup to WH, nope to "hovering..."

Tully Mars · 11-11-2009, 07:58 AM

On land?

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tully Mars

on land?

yup...

BadNick · 11-11-2009, 08:59 AM

so NH & WH, on land, not hovering

are you on the sofa again?

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 09:19 AM

nope...

amonkie · 11-11-2009, 10:31 AM

Canada?

uncle phil · 11-11-2009, 11:19 AM

nope...

think outside the box...

11-09-2009, 03:16 AM	#8361 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	He already said no.... I'm half tempted to say Ohio because Cobain's Mustang is on display at the Rock n Roll Hall of fame.. but that just doesn't fit. Only other landlocked state left is Arkansas... but that's west of Miss. __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

11-09-2009, 04:30 AM	#8363 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	illinois? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 04:44 AM	#8365 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	indiana? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 06:30 AM	#8367 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	pa? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 07:10 AM	#8369 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	not the old customs house? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 04:27 AM	#8362 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	oh no, mon amie <<< hey, see how I did that? ...not the only other landlocked state. I didn't even know KC's Mustang is in Cleveland! ...and as you so correctly surmised, I'm not in Ohia...nor Arkansas ...why do they pronouced it "Kansas" but when you add the "Ar" in front, it's suddenly Ar-kansaw? ....another of the unending mysteries of the universe. this might help: when unc first asked me if I'm north of 40 and I looked it up, I was ready to say "yes" but then surprised myself that it is actually not north of the 40...so look closely.

11-09-2009, 04:34 AM	#8364 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope...way too far west

11-09-2009, 06:22 AM	#8366 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	go east, young man, go east

11-09-2009, 06:40 AM	#8368 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	yepa ---------- Post added at 09:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 AM ---------- I am in a historically significant building from way back during the time there was that tea party.

11-09-2009, 08:24 AM	#8370 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	no, but if you look south from there, you can't miss this sticking up above everything else. Or if you're driving down I-95 between the sports complex and downtown, you see this building obviously jutting up above everything else around there, just west of the highway. As I was driving by there with my kids, I'd point it out and ask "hey, do you know what that building is?" and then I'd explain it to them, and the significance of the shape of the building to its intended (and successful) function. But when I did that last week my boy said "dad, we already know that"...and he repeated the whole story to me ...so I suppose they did learn something. I'm gonna see if I can see this bldg from google street view...that would be cool <<< found it! You can actually walk down the street and look up at this cool building. Last edited by BadNick; 11-09-2009 at 08:32 AM..

11-09-2009, 10:28 AM	#8371 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	cira center? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 10:32 AM	#8372 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Independence Hall? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-09-2009, 10:46 AM	#8373 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope, neither of those. clue: this building was important in supporting the early U.S. arms and munitions requirements. It's not the only building of its kind in the U.S., but it was the first one of its kind in America.

11-09-2009, 10:54 AM	#8374 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	frankford arsenal? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 10:59 AM	#8375 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	not a bad guess, but Frankford Arsenal is in Bridesburg and I'm in South Philly, a few miles south of the Arsenal, and on the other side of I-95 since the Arsenal is on the east side. But bullets are a key clue for the building I'm at now.

11-09-2009, 12:00 PM	#8376 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	betsy ross house? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 12:11 PM	#8377 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	did she make bullets? I think not. Go further south...maybe a mile or so. Possible "mislead" correction...I said it had to do with the tea party, but this building was actually built a few years later in the very early 1800's. clue: other than the word "bullet" what word was used as the common name of pistol and rifle projectiles at that time? That word is part of the name of this place.

11-09-2009, 12:32 PM	#8378 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Carpenters' Hall? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-09-2009, 12:36 PM	#8379 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope...further south....though I realize my over-familiarity with the locations here are of no real help unless you know Philadelphia quite well. try to focus on that last bullet clue I gave above...if you guess that word I'll confirm it and then finding this building should be easier since it has that word in its name.

11-09-2009, 01:27 PM	#8380 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	the philadelphia armory? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 01:52 PM	#8381 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope. I'll hold off a bit longer and then I might have to tell you the clue word if somebody doesn't get it by later this evening...Eastern U.S. time. Back in the 1700's to early 1800's, most hand guns used bullets that were called "----"

11-09-2009, 02:10 PM	#8382 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	Sparks Shot Tower there's one in baltimore, too... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-09-2009, 06:06 PM	#8383 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	bingo, you found me, unc. You're up next. I love ya, unc, but I was hoping amonkie would win since she's the new kid on the block..you know, make her feel wanted and stuff. Sparks Shot Tower Sparks Shot Tower looks like a smoke stack with a lid on top, but it's really America's first shot tower built in 1808. Shot towers revolutionized the making of musket balls and other solid projectiles based on the principle that molten lead will form perfect round balls when poured from a high place. Until this discovery, gun shot was made by pouring the lead into wooden molds. Plumber Thomas Sparks and a partner created a 142-foot-high brick tower with a 30-foot circumference at its base tapering to 15 feet at the top. It stands along the Delaware River waterfront at Carpenter Street in South Philly and is easily seen from Route I-95. The molten lead was poured through a mesh with different sized holes for different sizes of shot. The balls fell into a large container of water. The tower produced tons of ammunition during the War of 1812 and the Civil War. Four generations of the Sparks family kept the tower in operation until 1903. The tower is now part of a city playground with a recreation center at the base. It's a prime example of Philadelphia's reputation for superb brickwork. Here's the two cool pics I printed from Google Maps Street View, and then walking around the neighborhood until I could look up and see the Sparks Shot Tower: unc, I just found out that this one in Baltimore was the tallest structure in the U.S. for about twenty years!: Phoenix Shot Tower or later the Merchants Shot Tower, Baltimore, MD Perhaps the most famous shot tower remaining is the Phoenix Shot Tower in Baltimore, Maryland. Erected in 1828, the tower is the last of four in Baltimore that were used for making shot, or lead pellets, used as ammunition in muskets. The shot was made of molten lead that was heated by furnaces inside the tower, poured through sieves at the top and dropped into tanks of water near the base. The building is considered an engineering marvel because it took more than one million bricks to construct; it was erected in less than six months without the use of exterior scaffolding, and it stood as the nation's tallest structure for nearly two decades. When the building was threatened with demolition in 1921, a group of citizens bought it and gave it to the city for preservation. At its peak, the tower produced up to 500,000 25-pound bags of shot a year, making it one of the nation's largest suppliers of ammunition. It operated until 1892, when rising costs forced the owners to abandon it. Shot Towers were not uncommon in 19th century skylines. One of three in Baltimore was built on the corner of Fallsway and Fayette St. in 1828. The Phoenix Shot Tower Company of Baltimore constructed it without the use of scaffolding. Charles Carroll of Carrollton laid the corner stone. Molten lead was dropped from the top of the tower. As it fell, it formed balls. Water at the bottom would catch and cool the shot. The tower and surrounding plant was acquired by the Merchant's Shot Tower Company, who manufactured shot there until 1892. Union Oil bought the factory in 1921 with the intention of tearing it down and building a gas station in its place. Public outcry saved the tower, and the gas station was built along side it. In 1924 Union Oil gave the Shot Tower to the city. It was restored in 1976 and opened to the public as a museum. The Phoenix Shot Tower was a lead shot manufacturing facility that was in operation from 1828 to 1892. Molten lead was dropped from a platform at the top of the tower through a sieve-like device and into a vat of cold water. When hardened, dried and polished, the shot was sorted into 25-pound bags. Over 234 feet in height, the Shot Tower was the tallest structure in the United States until the Washington Monument in Washington, DC was completed after the Civil War. The Shot Tower was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1972.

11-10-2009, 03:12 AM	#8384 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	i'll have to think on it for a while... i'll be someplace later today... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-10-2009, 06:33 AM	#8385 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	are we there yet?

11-11-2009, 03:25 AM	#8386 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	ok, find me... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-11-2009, 03:39 AM	#8387 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	SH? __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

11-11-2009, 04:10 AM	#8388 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-11-2009, 06:19 AM	#8389 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	WH?

11-11-2009, 06:33 AM	#8390 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	on land? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-11-2009, 06:47 AM	#8391 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	hovering in the air? e.g., in the Blimp

11-11-2009, 06:59 AM	#8392 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - yup nick - nope __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-11-2009, 07:07 AM	#8393 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope to both WH and hovering?

11-11-2009, 07:52 AM	#8394 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	yup to WH, nope to "hovering..." __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-11-2009, 07:58 AM	#8395 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	On land? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club