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BadNick · 12-17-2008, 06:40 PM

yes na

Tully Mars · 12-17-2008, 06:46 PM

East of the river?

BadNick · 12-17-2008, 08:07 PM

nope, I'm to the left of the miss.

Btw, a clue: this place has great geologic significance

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 04:01 AM

nebraska?

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 04:18 AM

Utah?

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 04:42 AM

Neither a corn husker or a salty dog, so not NE or UT. A little more to the left.

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 04:50 AM

are we californicating?

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 04:54 AM

not CA. You're too low. And don't forget "very significant geological" or else.

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 05:49 AM

Washington?

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 06:05 AM

mt. st. helena?

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 07:42 AM

Washington is good...and correct.

But not St. Helen's. This ancient geologic feature/remnant is not directly related to mountains or volcanos.

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 09:33 AM

the columbia river gorge?

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 09:49 AM

The Stonerose fossil site?

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 11:19 AM

You know what, I'm gonna have to give it to unc on this one. Even though I wasn't looking for that "columbia river gorge" answer, it is in fact directly related to what where I am. You're up, unc.

Tul, aren't you from nearby here? I bet you used to bath in the Columbia River gorge when you were a baby.

I was checking out "Dry Falls & The Missoula Flood" ...if you like geological stuff, do yourself a favor and read these few details, this sounds like an awe inspiring event (ps, also check out this "waymarking" site, pretty cool stuff for our game):

Dry Falls & The Missoula Flood - Places of Geologic Significance on Waymarking.com

More than 12,000 years ago the largest and most powerful scientifically documented freshwater flood to occur on earth happened in the Pacific Northwest. During the last ice age, ice sheets, at times reaching over 10,000 feet in thickness, covered much of Canada. A small lobe of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet called the Purcell Trench lobe advanced southward blocking the river in the Clark Fork Valley in northern Idaho and Montana with a 2,000 foot high and 30 miles wide ice dam. A glacial lake was created that covered much of present-day western Montana under approximately 2,000 feet of water in a 200-mile-long lake roughly the size of Lake Erie and Lake Ontario combined.

Eventually, water burrowed into the ice dam, shattering it. The water roared out of the lake, swept across northern Idaho into eastern Washington, then rushed southwest across the Columbia Plateau, and split at a bluff--part of the flood traveled east but the main thrust traveled down the Columbia River. The floodwaters, moving up to 60 miles per hour, stripped away the soil, scoured out hundred of miles of deep canyons called coulees (Grand Coulee being the largest), created the 3 ½ mile wide, 400-feet-high Dry Falls (see default photo), the largest waterfall to ever exist, and the 198 feet Palouse Falls and left 300 foot high gravel bars and huge granite boulders called glacial erratics. The muddy torrent carried water, chunks of ice, trees, gravel, soil, and boulders--some the size of small houses. The first floods carried more debris than the succeeding floods.

The floodwaters traveled westward through the Columbia River Gorge at velocities as high as 90 mph. Geologists estimate the flow which raced through and scoured the gorge was likely 4,000 times the flow of the river today. The waters’ height exceeded 1,000 feet in the gorge. If it happened today, tourists at Crown Point would be running for their lives.

In Vancouver, Washington, the cataclysmic flood laid the gravel and sediment that today forms the 10-mile-long gravel bar that encompasses the ridge north of Portland International Airport called the Heights. It swamped Portland beneath more than 400 feet of swirling debris and ice-choked water. Ripple marks can be found in Portland on the east side of the Reed College Campus. Willamette Falls existed before the flood but was shoved far upriver by the waters’ scouring effects. An estimated 50 cubic miles of rich topsoil stripped from the gently rolling hills of eastern Washington’s Palouse region was re-deposited in the Tualatin, Yamhill and Willamette valleys.

The flood extended as far south as Eugene still 200 feet deep. Rich silt left by the flood reached 100 feet deep in places. Numerous boulders (erratics), carried by the flood (some embedded in icebergs), were strewn about as though they were pebbles. The roaring flood reached the Kalama Narrows, 30 miles north of Vancouver and about 40 miles north of downtown Portland where some of the water backed up creating the 11,000 square miles Lake Allison. Eventually the floodwaters flowed on to the mouth of the Columbia River and far out into the abyssal plains of the Pacific Ocean.

During a period of several thousand years a single large flood, a few, or possibly as many as 100 of these floods scoured the 600-mile path when the glacial ice dam repeatedly reformed, the lake filled up again, and the ice dam broke again. Each flood was separated by decades or centuries. The National Park Service has proposed this 600-mile path as an Ice Age Floods National Geological Trail—a five-state system of marked travel routes and new interpretive facilities featuring significant landforms created by the colossal floodwaters.

This massive cliff can be viewed from the Dry Falls Interpretive Center, a state park located on Route 17 near the town of Coulee City. Admission is free.

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 11:54 AM

wow...

i'm running out of places to be; it's such a small world...

ok, whammi...

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 01:45 PM

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 01:46 PM

yup...

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 01:47 PM

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 01:50 PM

nope...

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 02:31 PM

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 03:31 PM

yup...

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 03:41 PM

East of the river?

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 03:47 PM

west of the river...

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

Tul, aren't you from nearby here? I bet you used to bath in the Columbia River gorge when you were a baby.

Sorry I missed this, I am from this area. I've done a lot of fishing on the Columbia River. The house I still own is about a 5 min drive from the river. Used to be able to leave my house and have my boat in the water in less then 10 min. A good friend of mine built his house out of old growth fir he found in the river. They used to float log rafts down the river and out to sea to transport them. Many of the logs that sank remain today and are in good shape. He would find logs at low tide and attach several 55 gal drums to them. When the tide rose so did the logs. He then floated them to a boat ramp and trucked them home. Somewhere I have a picture of his house that I took during a fly over for him. I'll post it if I find it.

As for bathing in it as a baby? No, never even saw the river until I was probably 15. From Salem originally my family didn't travel much, still don't. I'm the only wondering soul in the bunch.
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Originally Posted by uncle phil

west of the river...

West of the Continental Divide?

uncle phil · 12-18-2008, 04:25 PM

east of the cd...

Tully Mars · 12-18-2008, 04:30 PM

Great Lakes state?

BadNick · 12-18-2008, 06:30 PM

In Wyoming?

That NW area I was seems like a beautiful place to live. I'd like to see it soon, maybe this Spring, when I hope to visit my daughter who's been living in Olympia WA last few years.

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 03:16 AM

tully - no

nick - no

Tully Mars · 12-19-2008, 03:28 AM

North of 40?

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 04:00 AM

south of 40...

Tully Mars · 12-19-2008, 04:29 AM

Texas?

BadNick · 12-19-2008, 04:40 AM

Colorado?

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 04:48 AM

tully - no

nick - no

BadNick · 12-19-2008, 04:49 AM

New Mexico?

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 04:58 AM

nope...

Tully Mars · 12-19-2008, 05:00 AM

Kansas?

BadNick · 12-19-2008, 05:23 AM

South Dakota?

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 06:54 AM

tully - yes

nick - too far north

BadNick · 12-19-2008, 07:31 AM

are you on a lake in Kansas?

uncle phil · 12-19-2008, 11:31 AM

nope...

12-17-2008, 06:46 PM	#3882 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	East of the river? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 04:01 AM	#3884 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nebraska? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 04:18 AM	#3885 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Utah? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 04:50 AM	#3887 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	are we californicating? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 05:49 AM	#3889 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Washington? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-17-2008, 06:40 PM	#3881 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	yes na

12-17-2008, 08:07 PM	#3883 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	nope, I'm to the left of the miss. Btw, a clue: this place has great geologic significance

12-18-2008, 04:42 AM	#3886 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Neither a corn husker or a salty dog, so not NE or UT. A little more to the left.

12-18-2008, 04:54 AM	#3888 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	not CA. You're too low. And don't forget "very significant geological" or else.

12-18-2008, 06:05 AM	#3890 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	mt. st. helena? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 07:42 AM	#3891 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Washington is good...and correct. But not St. Helen's. This ancient geologic feature/remnant is not directly related to mountains or volcanos.

12-18-2008, 09:33 AM	#3892 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	the columbia river gorge? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 09:49 AM	#3893 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	The Stonerose fossil site? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 11:19 AM	#3894 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	You know what, I'm gonna have to give it to unc on this one. Even though I wasn't looking for that "columbia river gorge" answer, it is in fact directly related to what where I am. You're up, unc. Tul, aren't you from nearby here? I bet you used to bath in the Columbia River gorge when you were a baby. I was checking out "Dry Falls & The Missoula Flood" ...if you like geological stuff, do yourself a favor and read these few details, this sounds like an awe inspiring event (ps, also check out this "waymarking" site, pretty cool stuff for our game): Dry Falls & The Missoula Flood - Places of Geologic Significance on Waymarking.com More than 12,000 years ago the largest and most powerful scientifically documented freshwater flood to occur on earth happened in the Pacific Northwest. During the last ice age, ice sheets, at times reaching over 10,000 feet in thickness, covered much of Canada. A small lobe of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet called the Purcell Trench lobe advanced southward blocking the river in the Clark Fork Valley in northern Idaho and Montana with a 2,000 foot high and 30 miles wide ice dam. A glacial lake was created that covered much of present-day western Montana under approximately 2,000 feet of water in a 200-mile-long lake roughly the size of Lake Erie and Lake Ontario combined. Eventually, water burrowed into the ice dam, shattering it. The water roared out of the lake, swept across northern Idaho into eastern Washington, then rushed southwest across the Columbia Plateau, and split at a bluff--part of the flood traveled east but the main thrust traveled down the Columbia River. The floodwaters, moving up to 60 miles per hour, stripped away the soil, scoured out hundred of miles of deep canyons called coulees (Grand Coulee being the largest), created the 3 ½ mile wide, 400-feet-high Dry Falls (see default photo), the largest waterfall to ever exist, and the 198 feet Palouse Falls and left 300 foot high gravel bars and huge granite boulders called glacial erratics. The muddy torrent carried water, chunks of ice, trees, gravel, soil, and boulders--some the size of small houses. The first floods carried more debris than the succeeding floods. The floodwaters traveled westward through the Columbia River Gorge at velocities as high as 90 mph. Geologists estimate the flow which raced through and scoured the gorge was likely 4,000 times the flow of the river today. The waters’ height exceeded 1,000 feet in the gorge. If it happened today, tourists at Crown Point would be running for their lives. In Vancouver, Washington, the cataclysmic flood laid the gravel and sediment that today forms the 10-mile-long gravel bar that encompasses the ridge north of Portland International Airport called the Heights. It swamped Portland beneath more than 400 feet of swirling debris and ice-choked water. Ripple marks can be found in Portland on the east side of the Reed College Campus. Willamette Falls existed before the flood but was shoved far upriver by the waters’ scouring effects. An estimated 50 cubic miles of rich topsoil stripped from the gently rolling hills of eastern Washington’s Palouse region was re-deposited in the Tualatin, Yamhill and Willamette valleys. The flood extended as far south as Eugene still 200 feet deep. Rich silt left by the flood reached 100 feet deep in places. Numerous boulders (erratics), carried by the flood (some embedded in icebergs), were strewn about as though they were pebbles. The roaring flood reached the Kalama Narrows, 30 miles north of Vancouver and about 40 miles north of downtown Portland where some of the water backed up creating the 11,000 square miles Lake Allison. Eventually the floodwaters flowed on to the mouth of the Columbia River and far out into the abyssal plains of the Pacific Ocean. During a period of several thousand years a single large flood, a few, or possibly as many as 100 of these floods scoured the 600-mile path when the glacial ice dam repeatedly reformed, the lake filled up again, and the ice dam broke again. Each flood was separated by decades or centuries. The National Park Service has proposed this 600-mile path as an Ice Age Floods National Geological Trail—a five-state system of marked travel routes and new interpretive facilities featuring significant landforms created by the colossal floodwaters. This massive cliff can be viewed from the Dry Falls Interpretive Center, a state park located on Route 17 near the town of Coulee City. Admission is free.

12-18-2008, 11:54 AM	#3895 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	wow... i'm running out of places to be; it's such a small world... ok, whammi... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 01:45 PM	#3896 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	WH?

12-18-2008, 01:46 PM	#3897 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	yup... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 01:47 PM	#3898 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	SH?

12-18-2008, 01:50 PM	#3899 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 02:31 PM	#3900 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	NA? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 03:31 PM	#3901 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	yup... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 03:41 PM	#3902 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	East of the river? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 03:47 PM	#3903 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	west of the river... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 04:25 PM	#3905 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	east of the cd... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-18-2008, 04:30 PM	#3906 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Great Lakes state? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-18-2008, 06:30 PM	#3907 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	In Wyoming? That NW area I was seems like a beautiful place to live. I'd like to see it soon, maybe this Spring, when I hope to visit my daughter who's been living in Olympia WA last few years.

12-19-2008, 03:16 AM	#3908 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - no nick - no __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-19-2008, 03:28 AM	#3909 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	North of 40? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-19-2008, 04:00 AM	#3910 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	south of 40... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-19-2008, 04:29 AM	#3911 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Texas? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

12-19-2008, 04:40 AM	#3912 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Colorado?

12-19-2008, 04:48 AM	#3913 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - no nick - no __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-19-2008, 04:49 AM	#3914 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	New Mexico?

12-19-2008, 04:58 AM	#3915 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-19-2008, 05:00 AM	#3916 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Kansas? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club