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uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 07:47 AM

nope...

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 08:00 AM

Steamboat Lake?

BadNick · 11-13-2008, 08:03 AM

Are you in Cheesman Park in Denver? ...though I don't know why this park isn't in Wisconsin.

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 08:56 AM

tully - no

nick - no

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 08:58 AM

Golden Gate Canyon?

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 10:03 AM

nope...

"pearly gate" canyon wouldn't have been a bad guess, but, it too, would be incorrect...

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 10:14 AM

Pearl Lake State Park?

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 11:06 AM

nope...

BadNick · 11-13-2008, 12:04 PM

I'm impressed with how many state parks are in Colorado...if in fact you're in a state park.

Are you in one of these parks?

Arkansas Headwaters Recreation Area
Barr Lake State Park
Bonny Lake State Park
Boyd Lake State Park
Castlewood Canyon State Park
Chatfield State Park
Cherry Creek State Park
Cheyenne Mountain State Park
Crawford State Park
Eldorado Canyon State Park
Eleven Mile State Park
Golden Gate Canyon State Park
Harvey Gap State Park
Highline Lake State Park
Jackson Lake State Park
James M. Robb - Colorado River State Park
John Martin Reservoir State Park
Lake Pueblo State Park
Lathrop State Park
Lone Mesa State Park
Lory State Park
Mancos State Park
Mueller State Parks
Navajo State Park
North Sterling State Park
Paonia State Park
Pearl Lake State Park
Ridgway State Park
Rifle Falls State Park
Rifle Gap State Park
Roxborough State Park
San Luis State Park
Spinney Mountain State Park
St. Vrain State Park
Stagecoach State Park
State Forest State Park
Staunton State Park
Steamboat Lake State Park
Sweitzer Lake State Park
Sylvan Lake State Park
Trinidad Lake State Park
Vega State Park
Yampa River State Park

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 12:22 PM

nope...

that should narrow it down...

BadNick · 11-13-2008, 01:21 PM

dem dum state parks ...hummph!

How about...are you in one of the National Parks?

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 01:52 PM

yup...

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 02:12 PM

Black Canyon of the Gunnison>

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 02:28 PM

nope...

i will be 100 years old next year...

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 02:32 PM

Mesa Verde?

uncle phil · 11-13-2008, 02:41 PM

nope...

Tully Mars · 11-13-2008, 08:27 PM

Rocky Mountain National Park?

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 03:20 AM

nope...

Tully Mars · 11-14-2008, 04:30 AM

Great Sand Dunes?

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 04:30 AM

nope...

Tully Mars · 11-14-2008, 04:37 AM

Estes Park?

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 04:38 AM

nope...

BadNick · 11-14-2008, 04:39 AM

According to wiki, which we know could be a bit marginal at times:

The four United States National Parks within the State of Colorado are:

Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park near Montrose
Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve near Mosca
Mesa Verde National Park and UNESCO World Heritage Site near Cortez
Rocky Mountain National Park near Estes Park and Grand Lake

Or maybe you're at a national monument? ....unc, are you at one of these places?

The six United States National Monuments in the State of Colorado are:

Canyons of the Ancients National Monument near Cortez
Colorado National Monument near Grand Junction and Fruita
Dinosaur National Monument near Dinosaur
Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument near Florissant
Hovenweep National Monument near Cortez
Yucca House National Monument near Cortez

Tully Mars · 11-14-2008, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNick

According to wiki, which we know could be a bit marginal at times:

The four United States National Parks within the State of Colorado are:

Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park near Montrose
Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve near Mosca
Mesa Verde National Park and UNESCO World Heritage Site near Cortez
Rocky Mountain National Park near Estes Park and Grand Lake

Or maybe you're at a national monument? ....unc, are you at one of these places?

The six United States National Monuments in the State of Colorado are:

Canyons of the Ancients National Monument near Cortez
Colorado National Monument near Grand Junction and Fruita
Dinosaur National Monument near Dinosaur
Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument near Florissant
Hovenweep National Monument near Cortez
Yucca House National Monument near Cortez

On top of that the National Parks system was created in 1916. So I'm lost on the 100 year old clue.

BadNick · 11-14-2008, 04:52 AM

I hope we can find unc pretty soon...he might be more lost than we thought.

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 01:15 PM

where i am is a "registered national natural landmark..."

it is a "park" but not a "national park..."

sorry for the confusion...

Tully Mars · 11-14-2008, 01:34 PM

The Garden of the Gods Park?

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 01:43 PM

tully got it...

Garden of the Gods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tully Mars · 11-14-2008, 01:49 PM

Sounds like a cool place. I should go someday. My only experience in Colorado is driving loaded semis through the state spending as little time stopping as possible.

OK go...

uncle phil · 11-14-2008, 02:52 PM

bhutan?

BadNick · 11-14-2008, 09:09 PM

Tully Mars · 11-15-2008, 05:52 AM

EH yes.

uncle phil · 11-15-2008, 10:26 AM

guess bhutan is out of the picture...

NH?

Tully Mars · 11-15-2008, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil

guess bhutan is out of the picture...

NH?

I'm sorry I missed your Bhutan guess completely. But no.

And yes- NH.

So- NEH.

uncle phil · 11-15-2008, 01:29 PM

asia?

Tully Mars · 11-15-2008, 03:03 PM

I am in Asia.

uncle phil · 11-15-2008, 03:11 PM

landlocked country?

Tully Mars · 11-15-2008, 03:19 PM

No, not a landlocked country.

BadNick · 11-15-2008, 04:07 PM

island?

ps: I am so happy I got rid of some kind of pernicious virus/trogan thing that was inhabiting my laptop for the last few days. It was like a war, with many battles, even had me scanning and manually deleting stuff in safe-mode against recommended procedures. But I finally won! No sign of that punk-ass piece of crap all day now.

Tully Mars · 11-15-2008, 04:14 PM

Yes, I'm on an Island.

Glad to hear about the health of your laptop. I've had that happen and it's a nightmare. Of course I'm IT challenged so...

11-13-2008, 07:47 AM	#3201 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 08:00 AM	#3202 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Steamboat Lake? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-13-2008, 08:56 AM	#3204 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully - no nick - no __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 08:58 AM	#3205 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Golden Gate Canyon? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-13-2008, 10:03 AM	#3206 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... "pearly gate" canyon wouldn't have been a bad guess, but, it too, would be incorrect... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 08:03 AM	#3203 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Are you in Cheesman Park in Denver? ...though I don't know why this park isn't in Wisconsin.

11-13-2008, 10:14 AM	#3207 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Pearl Lake State Park? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-13-2008, 11:06 AM	#3208 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 12:04 PM	#3209 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I'm impressed with how many state parks are in Colorado...if in fact you're in a state park. Are you in one of these parks? Arkansas Headwaters Recreation Area Barr Lake State Park Bonny Lake State Park Boyd Lake State Park Castlewood Canyon State Park Chatfield State Park Cherry Creek State Park Cheyenne Mountain State Park Crawford State Park Eldorado Canyon State Park Eleven Mile State Park Golden Gate Canyon State Park Harvey Gap State Park Highline Lake State Park Jackson Lake State Park James M. Robb - Colorado River State Park John Martin Reservoir State Park Lake Pueblo State Park Lathrop State Park Lone Mesa State Park Lory State Park Mancos State Park Mueller State Parks Navajo State Park North Sterling State Park Paonia State Park Pearl Lake State Park Ridgway State Park Rifle Falls State Park Rifle Gap State Park Roxborough State Park San Luis State Park Spinney Mountain State Park St. Vrain State Park Stagecoach State Park State Forest State Park Staunton State Park Steamboat Lake State Park Sweitzer Lake State Park Sylvan Lake State Park Trinidad Lake State Park Vega State Park Yampa River State Park

11-13-2008, 12:22 PM	#3210 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... that should narrow it down... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 01:21 PM	#3211 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	dem dum state parks ...hummph! How about...are you in one of the National Parks?

11-13-2008, 01:52 PM	#3212 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	yup... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 02:12 PM	#3213 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Black Canyon of the Gunnison> __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-13-2008, 02:28 PM	#3214 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... i will be 100 years old next year... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it. Last edited by uncle phil; 11-13-2008 at 02:31 PM..

11-13-2008, 02:32 PM	#3215 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Mesa Verde? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-13-2008, 02:41 PM	#3216 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-13-2008, 08:27 PM	#3217 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Rocky Mountain National Park? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-14-2008, 03:20 AM	#3218 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 04:30 AM	#3219 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Great Sand Dunes? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-14-2008, 04:30 AM	#3220 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 04:37 AM	#3221 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Estes Park? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-14-2008, 04:38 AM	#3222 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	nope... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 04:39 AM	#3223 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	According to wiki, which we know could be a bit marginal at times: The four United States National Parks within the State of Colorado are: Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park near Montrose Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve near Mosca Mesa Verde National Park and UNESCO World Heritage Site near Cortez Rocky Mountain National Park near Estes Park and Grand Lake Or maybe you're at a national monument? ....unc, are you at one of these places? The six United States National Monuments in the State of Colorado are: Canyons of the Ancients National Monument near Cortez Colorado National Monument near Grand Junction and Fruita Dinosaur National Monument near Dinosaur Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument near Florissant Hovenweep National Monument near Cortez Yucca House National Monument near Cortez

11-14-2008, 04:52 AM	#3225 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I hope we can find unc pretty soon...he might be more lost than we thought.

11-14-2008, 01:15 PM	#3226 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	where i am is a "registered national natural landmark..." it is a "park" but not a "national park..." sorry for the confusion... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 01:34 PM	#3227 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	The Garden of the Gods Park? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-14-2008, 01:43 PM	#3228 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	tully got it... Garden of the Gods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 01:49 PM	#3229 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Sounds like a cool place. I should go someday. My only experience in Colorado is driving loaded semis through the state spending as little time stopping as possible. OK go... __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-14-2008, 02:52 PM	#3230 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	bhutan? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-14-2008, 09:09 PM	#3231 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	EH?

11-15-2008, 05:52 AM	#3232 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	EH yes. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-15-2008, 10:26 AM	#3233 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	guess bhutan is out of the picture... NH? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-15-2008, 01:29 PM	#3235 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	asia? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

11-15-2008, 03:03 PM	#3236 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	I am in Asia. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

11-15-2008, 03:11 PM	#3237 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	landlocked country? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.