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canuckguy · 01-25-2006, 10:05 AM

although i did not vote green, i did go to a "victory" party for the local rep at a pub in town, well did not go intentionally, just ended up at that pub. good people...or was that the bass ale talking?

feelgood · 01-25-2006, 11:21 AM

Just out of the curiousity for those of you who thinks there will be another election in 18 or so months, what makes you say that? Despite the speeches by all of the party leader who pledge to make the minority government work without having to have another election in 2 years?

Charlatan · 01-25-2006, 11:44 AM

There average lifespan of any minority government has been 18 months.

I also think, in the case of this particular government, the numbers are not all that cut and dry. In order to stay in power the conservatives will have to work to keep, pretty much everyone happy. Harper is going to have to make many compromises.

This is going to make many of his constituents unhappy. The opposition parties will play to this.

In the end, it's a wait and see kind of thing. Time will tell if Harper has what it takes to steer this parliament.

feelgood · 01-25-2006, 12:11 PM

Well, considering the experience of the previous minority government, the conservatives and the bloc formed a coalition to "fight" the liberals which the liberals in response, formed one with the NDP with the exception of ndp forcing a vote of no confidence in the end. So, what not going to stop the conservatives from forming a coalition with the blocs again and thus, forming a majority over the liberals and ndp?

Charlatan · 01-25-2006, 12:26 PM

The three opposition parties are centre left type parties. If the Conservatives try to push for more right wing type programs or budgets they may not get the support of the house.

The bloc will not form an alliance with anyone. Ducieppe said during the election he will support legislation if it benefits Quebec. Period. The bloc will support the Conservatives on an issue by issue basis.

The same will be true of the Liberals and the NDP. As long as they are getting what they want in an agreement of support then they will support.

The big folding point will be the budget. When Harper tries to recind the tax cut that the Liberal/NDP gave us last fall and replace it with a 1% cut in the GST, they are going to have to dangle some very large carrots to win the support of the house.

No progressive should go for this. The tax cut, as it stand, is a good thing. Cutting the GST by 1% now and 2% next year is just a bad idea. I agree that certain items should be GST exempt (books, baby supplies, etc.) but the tax itself is a progressive tax. While everyone one is effected by it, only those who have greater spending power are effected greatly by it (i.e. the more you spend, the more you pay).

highthief · 01-25-2006, 01:58 PM

I'd certainly rather see a cut in income tax rather than a cut in the GST.

I await with bated breath my $1200 "daycare" money - I'm thinking a little beer, a little popcorn...

Charlatan · 01-25-2006, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief

I await with bated breath my $1200 "daycare" money - I'm thinking a little beer, a little popcorn...

I propose we start a "beer and popcorn" movement for people to spend their $1200.

feelgood · 01-25-2006, 03:44 PM

I don't have any kids, will I still get my $1200?

Charlatan · 01-25-2006, 05:16 PM

I'll rent you mine for 50% of your take.

Leto · 01-25-2006, 05:16 PM

my kids are too old... is there a kid swap somewhere?

Charlatan · 01-25-2006, 05:29 PM

The going rate is 50%.

prosequence · 01-25-2006, 07:51 PM

My 1200 will go to... um, i guess daycare.... how depressing!!!!
Me want beer!

feelgood · 01-25-2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

I'll rent you mine for 50% of your take.

Do I have to provide care? Will you ship it thru Fedex?

Charlatan · 01-26-2006, 06:58 AM

No need to ship the kids. You just need the paperwork.

Though, I suppose if you need to spend time with them, I could have them hitch hike out to Calgary.

01-25-2006, 11:44 AM	#43 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	There average lifespan of any minority government has been 18 months. I also think, in the case of this particular government, the numbers are not all that cut and dry. In order to stay in power the conservatives will have to work to keep, pretty much everyone happy. Harper is going to have to make many compromises. This is going to make many of his constituents unhappy. The opposition parties will play to this. In the end, it's a wait and see kind of thing. Time will tell if Harper has what it takes to steer this parliament. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-25-2006, 12:26 PM	#45 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The three opposition parties are centre left type parties. If the Conservatives try to push for more right wing type programs or budgets they may not get the support of the house. The bloc will not form an alliance with anyone. Ducieppe said during the election he will support legislation if it benefits Quebec. Period. The bloc will support the Conservatives on an issue by issue basis. The same will be true of the Liberals and the NDP. As long as they are getting what they want in an agreement of support then they will support. The big folding point will be the budget. When Harper tries to recind the tax cut that the Liberal/NDP gave us last fall and replace it with a 1% cut in the GST, they are going to have to dangle some very large carrots to win the support of the house. No progressive should go for this. The tax cut, as it stand, is a good thing. Cutting the GST by 1% now and 2% next year is just a bad idea. I agree that certain items should be GST exempt (books, baby supplies, etc.) but the tax itself is a progressive tax. While everyone one is effected by it, only those who have greater spending power are effected greatly by it (i.e. the more you spend, the more you pay). __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-25-2006, 01:58 PM	#46 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I'd certainly rather see a cut in income tax rather than a cut in the GST. I await with bated breath my $1200 "daycare" money - I'm thinking a little beer, a little popcorn... __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

01-25-2006, 05:16 PM	#49 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I'll rent you mine for 50% of your take. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-25-2006, 05:16 PM	#50 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	my kids are too old... is there a kid swap somewhere? __________________ You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home the long way You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

01-25-2006, 10:05 AM	#41 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	although i did not vote green, i did go to a "victory" party for the local rep at a pub in town, well did not go intentionally, just ended up at that pub. good people...or was that the bass ale talking?

01-25-2006, 11:21 AM	#42 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	Just out of the curiousity for those of you who thinks there will be another election in 18 or so months, what makes you say that? Despite the speeches by all of the party leader who pledge to make the minority government work without having to have another election in 2 years?

01-25-2006, 12:11 PM	#44 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	Well, considering the experience of the previous minority government, the conservatives and the bloc formed a coalition to "fight" the liberals which the liberals in response, formed one with the NDP with the exception of ndp forcing a vote of no confidence in the end. So, what not going to stop the conservatives from forming a coalition with the blocs again and thus, forming a majority over the liberals and ndp?

01-25-2006, 03:44 PM	#48 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	I don't have any kids, will I still get my $1200?

01-25-2006, 05:29 PM	#51 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The going rate is 50%. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-25-2006, 07:51 PM	#52 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	My 1200 will go to... um, i guess daycare.... how depressing!!!! Me want beer! __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

01-26-2006, 06:58 AM	#54 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	No need to ship the kids. You just need the paperwork. Though, I suppose if you need to spend time with them, I could have them hitch hike out to Calgary. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke