LordEden vs Strange Famous cooking challenge
 

So the challenge has been made, and I'm happy to answer it.

So lets set out the rules and how it will work?

Do you want 20 recipes vs 20? I think that will be hard for people to follow and judge. Recipes 1 at a time? 1 vs 1? How are people going to judge? Is anyone going to actually try them?

If I can find a cheap camera I am even willing publish video's of the way I chef to better assist my followers on Youtube or whatever..
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In respect to the specific request that Lord Eden made in terms of my posting on this forum, let me say to now very clearly

I am a Masterchef. I use this title proudly and without any hesitation, because it means nothing to me other than I'm a good cook. When I write about food and when I describe the way I chef a meal, I strongly recommend that people listen and follow me. For those who do, they will enjoy tasty, cheap, simple food. I did not go to catering school, I do not use 8 types of spice in every meal I make... I hold these things in disdain. I do not consider cookery difficult, skillful, or artistic; nor do I consider good cooks are worthy of some kind of hero worship.

So... I answer your challenge Lord Eden. Let's clearly decide the rules, and then may the best man win.

I suggest categories. Maybe put up you best recipe based on each category?

Maybe we can get three TFP "celebrity judges" to follow the recipes at home and make comments.

I'd like to see 1 for 1, categories for an entire meal. Should be similar in end result intention, for example the pizza challenge. It will be hard to compare if they have different kinds of foods. Burger vs. Burger, mashed potatoes vs mashed potatoes...

appetizer

first course - meat
side - vegatable
side - starch/carbohydrate

desert

Yes, I'd like to see major categories, but similar dishes/ingredients for each recipe challenge. Not all challenges will have compartmentalized foods though.... one-dish meals, and the like.

I guess examples would be recipes for pork roast, chicken stirfry, beef stew, etc.

I'm up for this.

Realistically I know the odds arent on my side, but I wont back down from a challenge!

I know my cooking is simple and workmanlike, but at the same time I do believe it is basically good.

I agree that themes and going 1 or 1 is better than just a big list of recipes, but LE has to be happy with the terms as well.

We could break it into categories, I think overloading this thread with recipes won't be possible.

Who is going to judge this. I have my opinion on who would be the best, but then I am in the contest.

We could do everything from best way to cook a baked potato to a full dinner with everything in between.

I'd be down for cooking them, but I don't have the funds to cook 20 meals back to back. I've got some ideas on how to organize this, but I'm interested in how others think this should go down.

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How about categories like soup, casserole, one bowl wonder (one pan, one bowl, one fork and all your meal at once), veginitarian, ethinc, "grandma meals", ect.

We can trim it down from 20 to whatever fits best.

Man, I wish we could do a masterchef/iron chef style challenge, time limit with certain ingredients. That would be awesome. We would also have to be in the same place at once.

I suggest keeping it simple, yet varied enough to test the full spectrum of preparing meals. I propose the following categories, based on common organization of cookbooks:

1. Appetizer
2. Breakfast
3. Dessert
4. Lunch
5. Main Dish
6. Salad
7. Side Dish
8. Snack
9. Soup/Stew
10. Casserole (or other one-pot meal)

If you wanted to keep it balanced and to do upwards of 20 recipes, perhaps each of you challenge the other on a recipe in each category. For example, say, Eden challenges Strange to a coconut shrimp appy, while Strange challenges Eden to garlic cheese bread. You both come up with a recipe for each.

Awesome thread, by the way. I've got half a chub right now thinking about it. If I spammer floats through, I might mess my pants.

OK, judges: They need to well-known members, impartial and agreed upon by both sides. I think it's best to ask for volunteers, with self-nominations closing by Date X. Personally, I think that we should let it run through the weekend at least and make a decision by early next week. I'm happy to facilitate that if both parties agree. I'll collect the names and let you two decide.

Who should we contact if we want to be a judge?

Can we at least come to an understanding on the definition of Master Chef? I think that we will never have concordance until that is achieved.

I'd REALLY like WK as a judge, but I don't know if he has the time for it.

I'm completely excited to do this, giddy in fact.

I'm intersted in how we are going to break this down in which recipes are judged. Taste can't be used or plate presentation (tho I wish I could, my plate presentation is AWESOME), so that breaks down to things like, time/speed, price, ingredient amount, skill needed to cook, ect.

I'd like to know so I know how I need to tweek the recipes I have ready for this.

Also, time is going to be a factor here. If SF's location is correct, we are 5 hours apart (he is BST and I'm EST). Would say setting a challenge and the saying "you have X amount of time to finish this challenge and submit your recipe" be better because of the time difference?

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This is not for the title of masterchef, whatever that is. I am *NOT* a chef nor am I trying to say I am one. SF is the only one claiming that title. This is to prove who is the better cook the only way we can being across the pond from each other.

I'm not actually sure WHAT the stakes are in this contest. I'd like to know.

If the judges are making the recipes (the only true way to judge the recipes), then taste is a key criterion.

since i was involved in the last pizza thread i dont think i can be impartial, therefore id rule myself out.

but since i LOVE cold pizza, you guys can send me your slices in overnight express. Halal only please :D

I believe Eden in +5 EST in the US, and SF is on Greenwich Mean Time in the UK which is at zero. so there is 5 hrs difference.

what will be the criteria? someone's got to taste it! and you cant be your own judge because that wouldnt be fair.

taste
smell
presentation
texture
etc etc..

i agree, i think WK should be on this panel.

maybe you guys need to swap each others recipes and cook each others pizzas to keep this fair?

Is that what we are doing? I mean the judges will use our recipes to make the meals and then taste them?

That throws this challenge in a whole new direction.

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I used SF's location to find the biggest city near him (Birmingham, UK) and see what the time zone was and it said BST +1.

dlish I almost want to make a pizza for you and mail it frozen to you. For being on my side.

This is not just a pizza challenge, this is an all-out cooking challenge. On the internet. With someone in another country. Across an ocean. For bragging rights. Judged by people I've never met.

Man, this just might be the nerdiest thing I've ever done.

Well, the original argument was that SF's advice for cooking the pizza was the best. This is about getting other people to make good food in a simple manner. Or so I thought.

Here is the orginal quote that was made to spark this challenge.

I'm not sure how we should interpret that. He says top quality for real people. That could almost mean anything.

Please, for the love of God, explicitly agree to a set of terms and state your purpose in a clearly defined manner. And stick with it.

As a stay at home dad with lots of free time I volunteer / nominate myself.
I'm not a well known member but I bring free time to cook and a large family with varied palates to the table...

* Self - Adventurous eater with a preference for complexity. I really like the subtle nuances of well done Thai or Vietnamese foods.
* Wife - Meat and Potatoes. Preferably with the meat being beef and the potatoes out of a box.
* Kid 1 - Angst ridden 20something with a hankering for Italian.
* Kid 2 - Absolutely no taste at all... Considers "Checker's" fine dining and "Olive Garden" haute cuisine.
* Kid 3 - Loves vegetables more than candy.
* Kid 4 - Supertaster! At 5 already knows the differences between Jamaican and Bahamian jerk, and recognizes different coffees.

Okay, but the context was offering a recipe to someone who hasn't made a pizza before. SF's philosophy is food that's down-to-earth and for anybody, not some fancy-schmancy haute cuisine.

If you want to be a judge, either PM me or post in the thread.

Judges have to make each dish prepared. A judge may state beforehand that they will have to sit a dish out if there is a conflict. There will be 3 judges, although it is unlikely that they will remain the same 3 throughout the contest given Real Life Interference. All judges (original and replacement) will be agreed upon beforehand by both competitors. A family may act as a single judge, but they only get one collective vote and recipes do not have to take more than one eater into consideration (single-serving recipes are fine). Staff members are eligble to be judge but will be treated as any other member.

Contestants shall produce a total of 20 recipes of varying types (side-dishes, entrees, desserts, etc.). A contest moderator will name a type (of the types predetermined by the contestants), and the contestants will have 48 hours from the contest moderator's post to post their recipe in the thread. The judges will then have 3 days to make the recipes and vote in whatever manner the judge best determines. Judges will follow the directions to the best of their abilities with their own household items. Judges may receive extra time up request. Contestants can mutually agree to post multiple recipes at the same time, with deadlines to be pre-determined by contestants.

I think those are pretty fair rules. Obviously they're highly flexible, so if either candidate doesn't like them or parts of them, let me know. But it's a starting point.

My view:

Pick a number of challenges... however many. It cant be a stupid amount because it will take forever and also cost is an issue for me. I'm happy to compete over any number of challenges, but it has to be have a defined end.

I think we should both

Post our recipe and method at a pre-determined time,

At a later date both cook the meal/meals.

Any people who want should give their opinions and I would say anyone who wants to go to the effort of cooking the meals themselves can be a "Judge".

That way you compete on:

1 - how easy your recipe is to follow (for anyone who wants to judge)
2 - how good it tastes in the end
3 - how the version we both make looks.
4 - I am happy for an expert to judge how healthy it is (although you have to allow some things arent supposed to be healthy)

If I can get a cheap little camera I will happily video myself cheffing the meals and if I can figure out how, post on Youtube. But its only fair if both me and LE have that. I dont have a lot of spare cash and LE may or may not have a video camera he can get access to. (as you may know from my thread in the Life section...) so this might not be possible for me. But I do have a camera already.

At the end of the day, if we are competing on the level of who can style the best recipe - its a fair competition to be judged by how well other people can make our food and what they make of it when they do.

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But if LE wants a more formal process with a defined judging panel, Im happy to go along with that. Just a question on if enough people will want to judge multiple meals.

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I think the first challenge should be a three course meal. After 20th I can start anytime and work to any reasonable schedule. I dont think we have to cook/post at the exact same times.

It should go without saying that we both trust each other to post and cook only our own recipes and not copy from a cook book. (not that any cookbook would match me in any case really)

I think a couple criteria that need to be taken into account, because SF puts such stock in them, is time and money.

How long does this recipe take to prepare? How much money was spent on ingredients?

I would suggest that each recipe, and the resulting showdown, get a separate thread. This way discussions about the challenge at hand don't get lost in the chatter about any of the other recipes. Regardless, monkeysugar is correct, we need clear rules and criteria and we have to stick to them.

I am up for testing recipes and judging. I also think we need at least one person who isn't very good in the kitchen to be a judge as well. We need to hear from people who are not into cooking.

As the cook in my house I'd be happy to cook up some meals to compare, the big trick will be getting my wife to eat essentially the same dish two nights in a row...

I think for this sort of challenge the contestants should agree upon the criterion to be judged by, or at least they could each pick 3 criterion to be judged on which would result in a 6 part score. Eden could pick something like plating then (and have it judged by a picture in the thread) and SF could have his price too.

And for the love of all that is holy pick an odd number of challenges.

I humbly suggest limiting the challenge to four:

Breakfast: Eggs, any style
Lunch: Salad. Carcass optional. :-)
Dinner: Pizza (Pizza is how this started, after all)
Dessert: Chocolate based.

That keeps it to a reasonable number of options, and is what a reasonable person might eat.

Personally I think 9 challenges would be enough to pick a winner. Let's face it, Internet users attention spans are very short and the shorter the contest, the more likely people will stick with it to the end. Plus, I'm a poor white boy and this is going to hit my foodstuff budget hard and Cinn doesn't eat meat (so half of the meals will get thrown away or donated to others).

I'd like it if this was done on the weekends, say post the challenge Friday and it has to be in by sunday night. That gives the judges 4-5 days to cook their meal during the week.

One challenge a week, 9 weeks total. I'd like the judging criteria set down in stone before this starts, as my recipes will tweek depending on what it is being judged by.

I like Jazz's idea on the whole thing. I just think we should tone down the amount of challenges. If this was a meetup, we could do a few challenges in a day or a lot over a few days. 9 challenges with one a week would be 2.5 months and that's a long time for the contestants and the judges to worry about this.

Cinn took one look at this thread and declared, "This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on TFP. You actually want to do this? Whatever." So I have her support on my side.

I'm going to video tape me cooking the recipe and how I made it. I don't want this to be part of my judging criteria if SF can not do the same. I'm mainly doing it for personal reasons and don't want an unfair advantage over SF. When I win, I don't want any shenanigans to be thrown out and the judgement being called into question.

I would like to volunteer to judge any challenge that is vegetarian. This is due to both money constraints and dietary constraints in my household. I'm assuming that there will be a vegetarian challenge; I definitely think there should be at least a couple recipes sans meat.

I agree with robot that recipes for different meals should be addressed.

I'd like a veggie recipe challenge, most of my recipes in the last few months have been sans meat.

Hark at Eden!

He's already talking about how it will be WHEN he's won, he thinks he has it in the bag! He thinks he just has to turn up to win!

I'm just a humble kid, a working class lad who battled up from the days of dinner duty at school to become a Master Chef: glad for the chance to take part in the challenge... I think the judges should decide who the winner is... Eden must think he knows better than them as well as better than me what makes good food!!!???

Whatever we're gonna do, lets aim for the weekend after next as the start. (after 20th... which to step aside from the banter of this, I am feeling pretty fucked up about and am not going to be in the frame of mind to do anything for fun until after)

9 Challenges, I am up for that.

In terms of price and ease of method... thats a criteria for the judges... they can make of it what they will. I know that any member of the TFP is going to have preconceptions about both of us, but all I call for is fairness. If I lose I wont be happy about it on the inside, but I'll put my hands up and say I lost to the better man on the day.

On the judging... if Eden is happy with Jazz's format - then go with it. The only thing I would state is that I assume that Cinn is the guys close friend, partner, whatever... so in fairness she can't be a scoring judge (although of course she can give her views)

In terms of meals, I would suggest the following

A Breakfast
A Veggie main meal
A Meal you'd cook for a date (starter, main, sweet)
A Meal that costs under $5 to make (and £3, whatever exchange is atm)
A Supper
Ultimate Snack
"Junk Food/Fast Food"
Something Baked
Your Speciality

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I think if we use nice open categories, it gives some guidance but lets us both cook to whatever we think our strengths are.

If the guy lives with a vegetarian, he doesnt necessarily want to have four challenges on different types of steak. The same as if the guy wants to challenge me on how to cook a duck ala orange and fennel foam and poached quails egg and betroot fritters, ec... (or whatever michelin stuff he wants to come up with... I aint got a clue)

He has to be free to do his thing, and the same for me.

I'd say lets do two challenges a week and then the big one (the date meal) at the end?

If there is any category Lord Eden wants to take out and replace, lets discuss that between the two of us.

Lets base everything on a portion size of 1 or 2. If people want to scale up to cook for a family then they can do the maths

Im not rich, and I dont plan on cooking anything for this that isnt for my own enjoyment or for a friends.

SF - you have veto power on all judges under my rules. If you don't think they can't be impartial, you don't have to accept them. I think that's settled, so volunteer judges need to start making themselves known soon.

Otherwise, I think that this is up to the two competitors to figure out the rest. If you guys need staff help with threads or anything else, let us know.

Just a quick note before I go home, Cinn isn't going to be a judge. As I stated before (and SF didn't read), she thinks this is the stupidest thing she has seen on TFP. She wants nothing to do with it.

I'll update this later in the day after supper.

how about we cut it down to ten recipes and each contestant posts their recipe. then its up to each member of TFP to make that dish at home and post results/verdicts?

I heart Cinn.

I think it's going to be crazy with name calling and hair pulling, but I can't keep away. It's like the Jersey Shore. So bad for me and I'm just encouraging it to exist by reading and posting, but I love it.

I do hope these guys make videos. I do, I do, I do....

I heart her too. All she can do is shake her head and ask "Why, just... WHY?".

Oh I'm SURE this is completely drama filled, I know it's just going to end up like that. $10 it gets locked down for flaming from multiple members.

Now see a TV intro like Jersey Shore and there is a picture of SF with spiked hair in a white wifebeater and gold chain. His name flashes across the TV screen, "The Mastachef" in big spray painted letters.

H-Love would be my name, short for Hobbit Love.

*Slicks back his hair*

"Yo yo! Bitches, Once you go hobbit, just can't stop it!"

Represent!

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I'm going to make a video, more for a side project. I've had a cooking blog for AWHILE and done nothing with it. I want to start video blogging me cooking for the blog. This is more like practice for later so that I get comfortable doing it.

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I think it should go down like this:

1. Breakfast
2. Lunch (Light meal)
3. Dinner (Meat\Veg\Starch)
4. Dessert/Snack (This will be tricky because baking is harder to tweak to make it your own, it could be replaced with something else)
5. Vegetarian
6. Soup (Hot/Cold) or "Hungry Man Meal" (A easy to cook bachelor meal)
7. Pizza
8. Cassaroll/One Pot Wonder
9. Lunch Box (Has to be cold and able to be backed into a lunch bag/box)

Not in that order, but maybe picked at random and pizza being the last one.

I'd rather do one per week, less stressful on the judges (only one meal a week is our recipes) and less stressful (writing/research/cooking a recipe takes time and a lot of money) for the contestants. I don't get to cook full blown meals during the week because of time constraints, so this would take up a bit more of my little free time. Plus, reality TV shows only come on once a week, why shouldn't this be any different?

I spend enough time in my job watching and thinking about food that I can't help but want to be a judge in this.

I am in agreement with Eden's list of challenges and think that one challenge per week is more than enough. Don't forget that the judges will have to make two dishes a week (one from each contestant) and we have lives other than TFP. :P

I want to say again, that we should have a different Thread for each recipe. It might even be a good idea to create a special sub-forum for this.

I think a different thread is a great idea. We may make a tag to go with it and merge them all together at the end. The tag seems like a no-brainer; merging maybe not. We'll see how it goes.

No thanks on videos, but that's a personal choice. I just have an aversion to seeing body hair deposited in food.

I think we're getting closer to being ready to go. Right now, I note Charlatan, Snowy (veggie only), hotmkyluv and Hektore as voluntary judges. If there are others, let me know. The contestants will agree on judges and the dish types beforehand.

I'd rather have separate threads, if it actually takes off, let's set it in it's own little section. Only if it takes off. Which is 50/50 right now.

Jazz, I'll wear a shirt, promise. I might even chef it up and put my old chef clothes on.

I can help as a moderator once we get things rolling.

does that mean one of those cool tall white chef hats too? i bet you wont do it...

There is clearly class warfare going on here between Strange and LordEden. LordEden clearly thinks that Strange is recalcitrant, deviant, and should accept his less equal status as a chef.
Strange clearly feels that LordEden represents conservative ideology and is a repressive institution, and needs his cognitives adjusted.

I think that we need to bring roachboy in as judge...:)

I don't have those, they were always paper and thrown away at the end of the night. I do have the white floppy hat and my bakers cap. Maybe I'll wear my skull bandana, for shits and giggles.

Might be able get one from a kitchen I used to work in. I'll talk to someone.

It would be good if at least one of the judges is not a "foodie". (I'm not volunteering, though.)

I am prepared to accept Eden's suggestions of 1 a week and the suggested categories, and I have edited to state my preference when he has suggested two options.

1. Breakfast
2. Lunch (Light meal)
3. Dinner (Meat\Veg\Starch)
4. Dessert
5. Vegetarian
6. Soup (Hot/Cold)
7. Pizza
8. Cassaroll/One Pot Wonder
9. Lunch Box (Has to be cold and able to be backed into a lunch bag/box)

How about a low number like 3?

sets it up for a tie breaker and then the contestants can focus more on those 3 dishes.

also when they cook, they will have to cook the same thing, and the judge determines whose taste better..

I know I would be biased to choosing my bro LordEden.

I don't really consider anyone here a foodie, we just a small group of people who love food and love cooking it.

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As response to my Alaskan brother-from-another-mother, I thought about lowering this beyond 9, maybe 5. Three seems a little short and there might be uproar about the categories being unfair. 5-7-9 are a good number, 9 is the max I'll go. I think we should start it off and see if there is any interest in it. If it's getting boring for the peanut gallery, then put it into a lighting round.

The only rules set in stone should be judging criteria, dates/times for entries. and categories. How long we keep doing this and how many dishes to make are all up to the judges.

Personally if this stops being fun or becomes to costly (SF is filling for bankruptcy and I'm an underpaid IT guy), I say we go sudden death and then pull the plug. There is no reason in hell to do this if it's not going to be for fun (and/or bragging rights). As much as I'd like to win the contest and make SF admit he is not a mastacheff, there is a limit to my willingness to play along. If there is a toss up of buying the food for this contest and paying my phone bill, I'm going to choose phone bill.

so is this thing going to happen or not?

That was the exact post I was going to make today. I think it's going to be the week after next as SF has court all this week about his pending legal matters. I do believe it will start Monday morning and we will post a recipe by that weekend.

Are we going down the list as SF and I posted or what? We going to mix up the catagories, draw them out of a hat, or go straight down the list?

i think 9 is too much, so its either 5 or 7.

there isnt much difference between 5 and 7 and probably wont make much difference in the whole scheme of things anyways, so i think 5 should do it.

i'd personally get bored after 3, but can hold on till 5. after that i've already tuned out.

I agree with dlish. Five is plenty.

Fucking start cooking already!

^this

but also please post the recipes, i need to add more variety to my diet besides ramen and riceballs

I feel like you guys need your own Padma Lakshmi.

I feel the same way, but I understand that SF has court this week and doesn't feel like starting this during that time.

I would be down for lowering the catagories, if all the judges and SF agrees that's it ok.

I'll most likely post more recipes in a thread I'll be starting after/during the contest. I've needed a kick in the ass to start blogging about and writing down recipes. This is going to be my kick start to do my vblogging and recipe writing.

This little contest will only last as long as it is interesting. Less it become the Tilted Debate of tilted food.

I just found this thread, and if I didn't hate vegetables so much I would be a judge. I really enjoy cooking, and my family always wants me to cook for them every time I possibly can.

Hope this happens!

First off... SF, you're not a Masterchef just because you say you are. So stop. Please. Cause really, that term is well, bullshit. And saying it any chance you get makes you sound like a tosser.

Eden, you know you're a good cook. And I'm sure SF is too. Now just because you came up with a recipe doesn't mean the judge is going to be able to repeat your success with it. I can turn a piece of shit recipe into a great dish... simple with my knowledge of food. Just because I tell you how to cook something doesn't mean you can actually do it the same way I do. There are too many different factors to think about here. Altitude being a main one in my world... living a mile above sea level and all. Humidity. Gas v Electric stove. Available ingredients. Skill of the judge. Cause really, if I cook it. It's gonna be awesome. If my girlfriend cooks it. It's gonna suck. No matter what the recipe is.


I don't see this working.

So... I'm not sure what happened to SF but I'd still like to do this in some shape or form. If SF doesn't respond to this thread in the new few days, then I'll start posting recipes myself in my own thread in the order of categories I have listed before.

Hopefully I'll setup my camera today to take video/pictures of my progress as I go. I'll be cross-posting the recipes/vblogs here and my blog. If I can get away with it, I'll post a link to my blog. If I can't, I'll pass the link around via my user sig and/or PM (depending on mods allowing me to post it).

I didn't really think this would get off the ground, but I hoped it would. I was going to start posting recipes off the bat, but I wanted to see if SF would come around to post against me.

This thread is dead, unless we wanted to make this an open call for recipes. Keep the categories and take away the judges, just make it a popular vote for best recipe. That would be kinda cool.

Let me know what you think folks, let me turn this into my side project or make it an open challenge?

Also, WK was right, I don't see it working like we laid it out. Great idea, not really feasible via the net.

Let's give SF a few days. He's got drama, some of it TFP related.

That's find by me, if he still wants to, I'm down.

If he wants to start it next monday, I'm ok with that. If this actually gets of the ground, then I'm going to be a happy camper.

I hope it does. Even if it doesn't work perfectly, it will still be an interesting experiment, and it has a bunch of people responding and interested.

so its starting this coming up monday?

if SF doesnt step up, is anyone else ready to take up the challenge?

i guess thats one option.

I didn't care for the Star Wars prequels. :expressionless:

If SF is unable, I will carry his flag.

I'd be down for another challenger, I think that could be fun.

Do we still need judges for it? We could just make a poll for it and go that way, less work on others.

I mainly wanted judges so SF couldn't wiggle out of a loss.

Ah geez... Do I gotta step up and kick everyone's ass?

WK vs. LE! GO!

Is this going to turn into Iron Chef: TFP?

We'd have to rebrand it to: Tilted Chef

ok if SF doesnt want to carry on with this, its fine...we'll send him a PM to see if he is still interested.

IF thats the case,i think some sort of knockout competition from a pool of 6 contestants would be pretty interesting instead of having 5, 7 or 9 dishes by the same two chefs.

feel free to shoot this down. im only thinking out aloud

Ooooooooooooooo, March Madness TFP Cookoff style.

Have showdowns and random categories, winner takes on the winner from the next bracket.

Think we can get enough people together to do it?

That would be AWESOME.

PS: I'd take WK down in a heartbeat. Period. Yeah I said it, WHAT?!?!

well we have you, Will and WK so far. it could even work if SF wanted to join in, in another format.

I'd take someone on.

I think I agree with Cinn that this may be the craziest thing to be done on TFP, but I'd love to watch the outcome anyway.

*Subscribes to thread*

OK, if it's not obvious to everyone, Strange Famous isn't coming back anytime soon. Honestly, I can't say that I blame him based on how he was treated by some folks that aren't participating in this thread elsewhere at TFP. So if you've posted here, you're not an asshole. If you haven't, you might be. And I'll just state for the record that I'm not really cool with what went down.

That means that we'll switch gears here. There seem to be a number of willing participants, including the ever-elusive World's King. So, should we do one mass contest with multiple contestants or should we pair off? I've got names of 4 (maybe 5) judges, so we need to be respectful of their time.

Depending on the responses, the thread title will most likely get altered in the near future.

WK, why are you wasting your time in here? You know I can out cook your hipster ass with one hand tied behind my back. Go make me a latte, extra foam, soy-milk.

//Endnessaryshittalking

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I am completely down for any changes we have to make for this to happen. I *REALLY* wanted to lay the culinary smackdown on SF so I could make him admit to being wrong (something that hasn't happened in the history of TFP), but I'm good with a different set of challengers.

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No matter what happens, I want a Iron Chef throwdown with WK. In person with a buttload of TFPers as judges. Tilted Iron Chef Denver meetup. IT WOULD BE AWESOME. Cooking with WK with TFPers as our guests would make me so fucking happy.

Well, that may happen... But it'll be Tilted IronChef Florida...


Yes... I'm moving to Florida.

But I don't wanna threadjack so I'll leave that for another discussion.

so... it isnt happening?

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Uh... I'll be a recipe-tester, if any are still needed, by the way.

In terms of whether it is happening, the original challenge is not.

Since the other guy has the feelings about me he expressed in another thread, I'm not really sure why it ever got to the stage it, but I have limits to the degree I am prepared to be embarassed. I never really expected to be better at cooking than someone who's worked as a chef... but to me with all the other stuff it crossed the line from good natured banter to bad natured.

Welcome back SF, didn't think to see you around these parts again.

SF, I'm going to try and phrase this so you don't think I'm trying to be a dick to you.

First off, I was never a chef and never claimed to be. I worked in a lot of restaurants for the last few years, but I stated that before the challenge was issued.

What I said in the other thread is true, but I still want to do this. The reason I wanted to do this was stated in this thread. You made a statement, I issued a challenge and you accepted it. Did I want to win? Yes, but who wouldn't want to win.

No one insulted you in this thread that I know of. Hell, I only made one statement about me winning and never insulted you about it.

I do want you to participate in this, even if it's the multi-cook challenge that we have been talking about. This thread generated a lot of response from the forum and I'd love for it to go on.

Im not going to really get into it, and I think it is best to leave this thread to launch whatever thing you want to do.

But... In the other thread, you came up with this:

As well as the other stuff about me being the only person you personally disliked on the site, etc...

Thats quite strong terms to speak to someone in really, you cant really think I'll just be up for carrying on and having a joke about who's the best cook,etc... as I said, my whole challenge was made in a way I felt was good natured, I thought it would be fun. After the other thread, I dont really feel like that's on the cards now.

You know, if somone calls you a cunt in the street, you wouldnt stand for it, would you? If someone says it online, you arent exactly going to be inclined to be mates. The embarassing thing for me about it was that from your persona on the forum I always did quite like you, so the stuff you came out with and the reasons (like I make silly comments about fighting dogs, etc) was a bit of a surprise. You're entitled to your own feelings, but come on, dont treat me like I'm completely thick... I'm not going to still want to have a pizza cooking competition now, am I?

I hope this is the last we have to talk about the whole thing, because I dont want it to become a thread about me being upset or whether or not I am a troll, etc... since we already have one and this is supposed to just be about cooking, and by all means enjoy your cooking competition with the others.

SF, I'm not going to respond to your post in this thread. I think your response is better suited for the thread my post was stated in. I'll respond to it in that thread, so we don't threadjack this thread.

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If you don't want to be involved in the thread, that's fine, I was just offering you a chance to join back in.

Did some people get skeered?


Its okay... the Brits have never been known for their food. I, for one, was not looking forward to piles of overcooked groundbeef drowning in greasy brownish-flavored sauce. Even Jamie Oliver craves a good Chipped-Beef three times a week. Can't beat a Southern Boy and an Italian when it comes to food.

I find it kinda ironic that Americans are taking the high ground on cuisine...

and before you ask - I can follow a recipe (most of the time), but I'm next to useless in cooking 'something new'. The above was a passing comment, rather than a threat :)

bu..bu..but WK is italian.

America is finally getting it's head out of it's ass when it comes to food. It's a hard process that is a difficult thing to break in most people's minds/stomachs. In some areas of the US there is some great bastard breeds of cooking that turn out some great food. French/Spanish influences turned into Cajun/Creole cooking in the south, there is a lot of french influence in the east coast (they are faint, but still there) and the tex/mex border food that can sometimes turn out great meals.

It all depends on where you eat and what you eat. Now, if only our street food would catch up.

Lots of the street food is great. Just don't confuse it with fast food. But even that is getting better if you look at the rise of chains like Chipotle and Potbelly's.

I'm watching this thread waiting for folks to get their act together to do something - or not. I'm still offering to help organize.

Yeah, there are some great street food venders, but not like you would see in other countries. Around here, the best you get is the Mexican food stands near the factories and they give me really funny/bad looks when I order from them.

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I want to do something (other than embarrass WK at cooking), but SF has now changed his tune and no one else is stepping up.

huh? theres 3 challengers, plus you LE

post 62 - willravel

post 64 - WK

post 71 - charlatan

can we have a Cook off? .......in a best of 3 series?

match 1) 1 vs 2

match 2) 3 vs 4

winner of match 1 takes on winner of match 2

Since there's no women that have stepped forward, the winner is crowned TFP Cock-off Champion.

I thought you were the cock champion around these parts? That mean you are giving up your title?

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I know those guys threw their hats in, but not much happened after that.

I like your idea dlish. I'd love to see if anyone else would be up for it, make it a longer contest.

It's not that I don't want to be a part of this, it's just that I'm limited by what I can cook in my household. Meat is pretty much out of the question here.

And LE, in Portland the street food is amazing. Food carts FTW.

yes thats correct..im relegated to 2nd once of you boys wins. untill then, i still have the title. TFP Cock-Off Champion 2010.

the way this works, you'll be cooking 6 meals if you make the final since this is a best of 3 series. i thought we were going to keep things short because of affordability. we could cater for more challengers if there is more interest and make it a round robbin if need be.

can we get all the interested people to raise their hand? id really like to see this take shape and take off.

Snowy, I don't think your diet should be a reason you can't do this. I'm sure we could figure something out. (Look at me! Playing nice with the veggies! COOKIE ME! COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOOOOKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!)

I've heard that the food carts there are awesome, another reason for me to get my ass to portland.

Dlishy: I didn't know it was a best of 3. I thought it was one meal, one chance.

Organize it and they will cook.

Nothing's going to happen until someone organizes something. We're almost at 100 posts already and no one has even made a fucking grocery list.

if we get more people interested we could do it best-of-1 match per cook-off. but for the time being lets keep it at best-of-3 for now.

i agree with BG..lets get it rolling.. we need some ideas people!

type of food?
culture?
Ingredients?

Competitors:

• LordEden
• Willravel
• World's King
• Charlatan

I think we have some heavyweights here. Why don't each of you state your "specialty" cuisine/dish and we can build challenges around that? Once we nail down the food types, maybe one or two of us as organizers will come up with challenges for some or all of you to participate in.

My specialty would be "stuff that's been on Good Eats". :expressionless:

I'm pretty good with the barbecue and the non-stick pan. I'm a big fan of lamb, white fish, and small game, peppers, onions and eggplant, oh, and tomatoes. I adore olive oil, lard, and duck fat. I've spent years on my pie and pizza crust, but they're not quite perfect yet. They're getting pretty good, though. I once accidentally put in a tablespoon of baking soda instead of a teaspoon to a batch of chocolate chip cookies and created what I call bittersweets, but that the guests called "oh, just go to Safeway and pick up some Tollhouse cookie dough." I don't own a tall hat, but I'm thinking of making one with old issues of The New Yorker.

That's my specialty.

I will take on any challenge but I am best at desserts.

Since people aren't going to be able to smell or taste the food I make, will this be strictly a visual competition? If so, I am going to lose. I suck at plating and often resort to family style.

I was more thinking it would be a battle of original or quasi-original recipes, and possibly accompanying images.

I never actually threw my chef hat into the circle.


I'll judge. But that's it. Think of me as that chef judge on every cooking show that is TOO famous to actually be on the show.