mrklixx

I don't think that is a fair or accurate statement at all, especially if you are referring mainly to the black contestants.

In fact it breaks down like this:

Survivor 1

First Person voted off - Sonja - White Woman - 63

Black contestants

Ramona - Voted off 4th
Gervase - Voted off 10th

Survivor 2

First Person voted off - Deb - White woman - 45

Black contestants

Alicia - Voted off 8th
Nick - Voted off 10th

Survivor 3

First Person voted off - Diane -White woman - 42

Black contestants

Clarence - Voted off 7th

Survivor 4

First Person voted off - Peter - White man - 45

Black contestants

Sean - Voted off 12th
Vecepia - Not Voted off - won 1,000,000

Survivor 5

First Person voted off - John - Whit man - 40

Black Contestants

Ghandia - Voted off 4th
Ted - Voted off 12th

Survivor 6

First Person voted off - Ryan - White man - 23

Black Contestant

Joanna - Voted out 4th

Survivor 7

First Person voted off - Nicole - White woman - 24

Black Contestants

Osten - Quits 7th
Tijuana - Voted out 11th

Survivor 8 (allstar)

First Person voted off Tina - White woman - 42

Black Contestant

Alicia - Voted off 12th

Survivor 9

First Person voted off - Brook - White man - 27

Black Contestant

Rory - Voted out 8th

Survivor 10

First Person voted off - Jolanda - Black woman -39

Black Contestants

Jolanda - Voted out 1st
Ibrehem - Voted out 7th

Survivor 11

First Person voted off - Jim - White man - 63

No Black Contestans




So while it is true that a majority (63%) of the 1st person voted off are over 40 (although that is hardly "old"), only one black contestant was voted out first, and a good portion of them going at least halfway or better.

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Hey, I said the old person or the minority gets the axe first - and you just proved it (there are also Asian and Latinos who are occasionally allowed to be on the show, BTW - minority does not mean black).

As someone pointed out, if you are marked as different in some way, you paint a target on yourself. That is most easily accomplished by simply being different to start with - ethnicity or age.

I'd be interested to see how Survivor would play out if it was 15 blacks and latinos and 1 white person!

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mrklixx

Well since only one minority (whather it be black, red, green, or purple0 was voted off first, then that qualifier is moot. And what is "old"? I mean if someone is 16, then I guess 40 seems pretty old, but the way I see it, only two of the first people voted out were "old". A subjective statement of "old" is hardly fact.

P.S. Your initial response was to what derwood said, so apparently minority does mean black.

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highthief

Um, no - I think I know what I mean when I say minority. In this particular instance, we have a black woman on the island who is afraid of leaves, but my comment is in general. Don't be so quick to read my mind.

And the age point is relative versus the average ages of people on survivor - most are in their 20s and 30s, with the exception of this season. Ergo, anyone over 40 is "old" in Survivor terms.

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Derwood

so, do you guys think that Mr. Nic-Fit is going to quit tonight, or is that just too obvious? I'd say no, since that's all the commercials are about. Survivor producers aren't that open-handed about plot lines

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Daoust

It's too early to be aptly able to predict who's going next. It's a crap shoot till about half way through...

I'll be watching either way...

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My bet's on one of the younger women.

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Derwood

they merge to two tribes tonight (per the official website) but jeff throws in a twist. i love twists

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Daoust

Someone will have to catch me up on the finer points of last nights episode. I slept through most of it. I saw that Smokey wanted out, but he didn't get voted off. I also saw that Melinda did get the boot. The other stuff I missed out on. Did I miss anything of importance?

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I already want Shane gone, I cant take anymore of his whining

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mrklixx

Nope, that pretty much sums it up overall, pretty boring episode in general.

Shane pissed and moaned. They merged the 4 into 2 by a schoolyard picking bit. There wound up being one person not picked (Bruce, older asian guy) recieved immunity, but was sent to exile island. Reward was fishing gear, including a spear, which one of the younger chicks took and immediately shot into deep water and lost forever. Shane pissed and moaned, but was happy that he was with some younger people, and formed an alliance with 3 of the 'younguns' Shane pissed an moaned that his tribe was hurting, and they lost the immunity challenge. Shane pissed an moaned and asked to be voted off. Shane changed his mind. Shane pissed and moaned and told the two older chicks in their tribe that one would be voted off. Shane pissed and moaned some more. Melinda was voted off. And poor Bruce was forced to join Shane's tribe.

Next weeks preview: Shane pissing and moaning.

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Mister Coaster

Yeah, Shane needs to go. Even with that alliance, he's so ramped on the nicotine detox that his head is spinning and he just blurts out any single thought he has, for good or for bad. That's going to ruffle feathers and get him voted off.

Melinda should have pushed buttons at tribal by calling out Shane and telling Jeff that he wanted to quit. She might have been able to get him all riled up and lget him to lay his torch down.

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Derwood

I hate when people get picked for the show (ahead of 1000's of other applicants) and then complain that it was a mistake to be on the show. We have TWO such people this year.

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Daval

I agree, Melinda and Cerie should have launched war upon Shane at Tribal Council. Called him out and gotten him to freak out.

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Daval

Well I must say that was one of the most entertaining immunity challenges in recent memory.

I think Ruth-Marie's final run for the finish line was one of the funniest runs I've ever seen, when Bobby casually walked up to her as she was running at top speed and grabbed her and calmly walked over to his mat I was laughing my arse off.

I was dissapointed that Misty left, woulda preferred to see Ruth go.

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ShaniFaye

can I just say again, SHANE NEEDS TO GO....good lord he acts like an old biddy

In a way I dont think its fair that a person can spend time on exile island more than once, I know it gives them more time to look for the idol, but damn, there will be people that dont have to ever stay there if they are allowed to send someone back more than once.

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Daval

Yeah, I forgot to cover those parts. Bruce is a pretty cool guy, maybe a little too vocal in camp (telling people how great he is). and I think someone is gonna get serious gutrot from his 3 tshirt filter. That aint gonna do shit for bacteria.

Shane is really really annoying and I'd love to see him leave. But again, he makes for entertaining tv, cause we have someone to yell at and hate.

Excile island I agree would be nice if you couldnt go back to back

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sapiens

I agree. The immunity challenge was great. I think that the reward challenge was dull.

I've wanted Ruth Marie off since she voted off the lumberjack woman. It was very funny when Bobby carried her to his mat. I also thought Cerie did an impressive job in that challenge.
Shane's hilarious. I laughed out loud during that scene when he talked (yelled) about his thinking stool. His presence makes the show more entertaining. (That said, I wouldn't want to be stuck on an island with him).

Mister Coaster

I'm definately pulling for Bruce after spending back to back visits on exile island. So far nobody is puking their guts out from drinking the t-shirt filtered water, so maybe it's not that bad.

And yes, Bobby winning the challenge the way he did was priceless. He's definately the strongest player.

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Derwood

with Misty gone, Sally "lost the spear in 4.7 seconds" is done

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Derwood

bump for tonught's episode. My predictions:

if Orange lose, Sally is done.
if Purple loses, it's either Shane or the spacey hippie chick

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ShaniFaye

gosh this is a hard tv nite.....American Idol results show, Olympics, and Survivor, three things I watch will I cant catch later in reruns....damn it

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Locke7

Did we get the next clue for exile island when Bruce went back? I only remember seeing him say he can't do much searching because of the weather. I still thought we would get a clue.

Derwood

he probably got it, but we didn't see

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ShaniFaye

Im not happy that Ruthie is gone....damn it

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Daval

Really? Why? I far prefer Sally. I think she is a far better competitor. I just couldnt respect Ruthie anymore after that run in last weeks immunity challenge - although it was comedy gold.

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Mister Coaster

Kind of a boring episode, although it looks like the one alliance is on shaky ground. Also looks like Terry is going at least to the final 4.

Theory: Would it be better for Terry to show the immunity idol early? I'm thinking that way nobody would even bother to try to vote him out because they'd all know he has it. Otherwise, if he gets enough votes to be out, then he will be forced to use it, then would be vulnerable the next week. I think it would be better to show it early.

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Daval

If Terry showed it early on I would intentionally rig the vote to outcast him with the person I really want gone in second place (they then get booted). That would take that huge advantage away from him and put him on even ground with the rest of the team/alliance.

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Mister Coaster

That would require some REALLY slick coordinating on the part of the other tribe members. Have enough people vote for Terry so he is forced to use the idol AND get enough people to have 2nd place be the person they really want off. All while not allowing Terry and this other person to team up and get someone else to be 2nd place in voting. Although it could be possible, it throws too many wildcards into that vote.

I do believe keeping the immunity idol a secret is the easiest and best way of handling it, but I can't help but think that showing it may potentially be better.

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Derwood

Ruth Marie had the potential of being this season's Tina or Vecepia (ie nice, harmless, suddenly in the final 2 without earning it). I'm all about people winning who play hardest, so I didn't shed a tear when she got the boot.

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kutulu

No, because if he did that, they could all vote for him knowing that they would then do the real vote afterwards. At least, that's what they should do.

Locke7

I would never show it. Think about it, when the rest of the team wants you to go, and they all vote for you (if that happens), your single vote will be the actual person going home. I really like this season so far. Although I wish someone other than Terry got the immunity idol. I don't know why, but he is in a decent alliance already. He'll go a ways even without it. I bet he is top 4 now...

Daval

Felt kinda bad for the pasty astronaut going home but it was kinda cool that they were so forthright and honest about it and he accepted his fate like a man. He was the logical target. I am actually rooting for their team, at least untill Cirie, Aras and the Psycho dude leave, then i may switch teams again.

I'm glad that Sally got to stay, I quite like her and would like to see her stay for a long while.

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Derwood

I have to say, I like Cerie. She was a big target early, but has played the game smart and let her tribe bicker around her. Assuming the merge happens next episode (in 3 weeks! ) I think she can get far. She certainly won't have a target on her back like Shane, Terry, or the other strong guys. Plus she gives great interviews on the show.

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Daval

Although I do not disagree with anythign you've stated here, I think I just can't get past the 'I'm afraid of leaves' thing.

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Derwood

ha, true, but she seems to have gotten over that pretty quickly.

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Fremen

I must have missed the reason for the delay. Why won't the next episode be on for three weeks?

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Derwood

NCAA tournament

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Daval

stupid basketball

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Fremen

Thanks, Derwood.
I agree, Daval.

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