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Old 04-18-2006, 08:16 AM   #201 (permalink)
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i was thinking that jack would have made a copy of the tape. it was foolish of him not to. Of all the things his magical PDA can do he could not record a 30sec phone call?
Who says he didn't? He gave over the original awfully quick and didn't seem too concerned to be doing it. My guess is Wayne Palmer has a copy.
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Old 04-18-2006, 09:57 AM   #202 (permalink)
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ahhhhh! The cheesy spy music was back at the end of this episode, what's up with that???
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Old 04-18-2006, 11:52 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Okay, so what does everybody think has happened to Aaron?
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Old 04-18-2006, 12:14 PM   #204 (permalink)
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I like the twist with Heller. I don't think it was the right move for him to make, but it's interesting. I don't think he's behind anything either, like some people have been speculating. He wanted the arrest warrant for Jack immediately rescinded and his daughter not harmed. If he wanted to protect himself, he knows to kill Jack immediately.

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was the ending. Is it just me, or couldn't Heller have shown the letter of resignation the President was about to sign to the Vice-President? Sure it's not signed, but the President was about to sign it, so he would have had to explain that to the VP. I think it would have been more believable for the President to have wiggled out of that situation if the unsigned letter wasn't sitting on the desk.

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Old 04-18-2006, 08:38 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Okay, so what does everybody think has happened to Aaron?
Absolutely no freakin idea. But I second everyone's thoughts that he better not be dead.
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Old 04-19-2006, 08:48 AM   #206 (permalink)
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Who says he didn't? He gave over the original awfully quick and didn't seem too concerned to be doing it. My guess is Wayne Palmer has a copy.
True, but Im basing my comments off of what we all saw, not from what may or may not actually happen.
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Old 04-19-2006, 08:38 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Absolutely no freakin idea. But I second everyone's thoughts that he better not be dead.
No way he's dead... He can't be, I said so.
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:19 PM   #208 (permalink)
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Aaron missing... That would just be too bad. It's posible that he protects the President at all cost and under any surcomestances. It's also posable that he's trying to lure the First Lady out to the stables. But we don't have a motive.

All in all, I don't think Aaron's dead.
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Old 04-24-2006, 08:17 PM   #209 (permalink)
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i'm not sure why i still watch this show. it's a train wreck.

i've got to go back and watch the earlier seasons now, just to make sure that i haven't been falling for this crap for 5 five years and am only now catching on.

techno-jargon, techno-jargon, ultra-fast dialog, techno-jargon, annoying 2d characters, techno-jargon. that about sums it up.
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Old 04-24-2006, 09:58 PM   #210 (permalink)
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The worst is watching the seasons inbetween eachother..Im catchin season 2 episodes on A&E inbetween the season 5 episodes on fox...
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Old 04-25-2006, 12:46 AM   #211 (permalink)
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I watch the show because it keeps me entertained and because Jack Bauer is such a thoroughly entrancing character. It's far from perfect, but it makes me happy on a week to week basis. Sure, it's riddled with plot holes, but I can look past that in the interests of enjoying the ride. Every time Chloe makes a horribly inappropriate comment, I get a good smirk. Every time Jack and Audrey have a cute" moment I "awwwwwwww." Every time Jack does something badass and ridiculous or a tac-team bursts in to save the day I cheer. And every time a character I like dies I'm crushed (insofar as you ever get crushed about TV characters dying, so I'm exaggerating, sue me).

If you don't like it, don't watch it. I've never understood why people have such a fascination with continuing to watch/listen to/play/read media they don't like just to complain about how much they didn't like it after the fact.

Tonight's episode saw the re-emergence of the Season 2 slow to appear big conspiracy that's behind everything. That doesn't really bode well, since the season 2 conspiracy was kind of lame. Oh well, Jack stowing himself away in a plane that he doesn't know the destination of is pretty sweet, as were the tense interactions between Jack, Audrey and Christopher. Good stuff, good stuff. It's been a long week already and the episode put a smile on my face. Yay for that.
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Old 04-25-2006, 03:22 AM   #212 (permalink)
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it's just simply that I'm attached to the show. I loved it back in the day, and I want to get out of it what I got out of it in the past. I'm riding the season out, just because it's sort of earned a chance to redeem itself.

But, as Jack would say, time is running out! I'll just have to accept that the show is now a parody of its former self and move on...

so can someone, just to make sure i'm not going crazy, tell me that this season (and, to a lesser extent, last season) are vastly different from the first three seasons?
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:08 AM   #213 (permalink)
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But, as Jack would say, time is running out! I'll just have to accept that the show is now a parody of its former self and move on...
Can't agree with you. I think this is the best season yet. 24 is a really intruiging mirror of American culture, and American life, and this season isn't any different.
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so can someone, just to make sure i'm not going crazy, tell me that this season (and, to a lesser extent, last season) are vastly different from the first three seasons?
I do agree with this. This season is much different. All previous seasons always seemed to be celebrating American culture, offing foreign terrorists, and supporting the war on terror (which are things I absolutely don't do, but I still liked the show), but this season it is the Administration that's the bad guy, it's not foreigners at all, and the war on terror isn't even a factor. I think the writers saw public opinion for the Bush administration and the War in Iraq going south in a big way, and cleverly adjusted the show accordingly. Hence why I think this is the best season yet. I understand the show is doing better than ever, as well.
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Old 04-25-2006, 07:53 PM   #214 (permalink)
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Yes, I've noticed the parallels with President Logan and President Bush as well, but it's not the first time the show has dealt with themes that mirrored what was going on in real life. The nuclear bomb going off in the desert happened while the "threat" of Iraqi WMDs was on everyone's mind leading up to the war. (wow, I just looked it up: that episode aired 3/4/2003, the war started on 3/20/2003. Makes you wonder if Rumsfeld is a fan... )

But that's not really what I'm talking about, in terms of how the show's different now. I guess what I'm asking is: was the show always this overt and melodramatic? I just felt the earlier seasons were more subtle (and, for me, more interesting) with their characterizations and plot lines. Now everthing feels over-the-top and in-your-face and unnecesarily fast-paced to make up for the show's shortcomings.

I have no issue with the show not being all gung-ho USA (although I never thought of it like that). I think the idea of the President being the bad guy is good, but I'll still question the quality of the way in which they've executed that idea.

Not really looking for a pissing contest here or anything... just trying to figure out what's happened to one of my favorite shows.
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Old 04-25-2006, 09:23 PM   #215 (permalink)
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To answer your question bluntly, yes. It has always been like this.

Season 1 is the best season, no question. And yet, it contains the worst side plot of all time: Terri losing her memory. Also, season 2 contained the same very late season behind the scenes conspiracy. Season 3 had that stupid drug-selling melodramatic side plot with the kid that ended up just being something to worry someone.

It's part of the deal. I don't know why you're noticing it more now.

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Old 04-26-2006, 02:21 AM   #216 (permalink)
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I'll definitely agree with you there, those plotlines were some of the low points of their respective seasons. And the problems I had with them are pretty much the same problems I have with this entire season, now that you mention it.... *shrug*....
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Old 04-26-2006, 04:34 PM   #217 (permalink)
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Old 04-26-2006, 07:43 PM   #218 (permalink)
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So if Bush parallels Logan... does that mean BUSH KILLED CLINTON?!
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:08 PM   #219 (permalink)
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So if Bush parallels Logan... does that mean BUSH KILLED CLINTON?!
Oh yeah, and Palmer shagged Monica.
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Old 04-27-2006, 10:25 AM   #220 (permalink)
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:26 PM   #221 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, and Palmer shagged Monica.
go president palmer!!

I dont believe that aaron is dead nor do i believe that the car going into the water killed him.
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:14 AM   #222 (permalink)
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Yeah, no way is Audrey's dad dead. I like the plot ending back up on the US goverment, but I don't really draw that many lines to real life. I think any writer uses current events or big historical moments as inspiration for their work. I think it's interesting that everyone involved though (Logan, and what's his name they found hung) thinks they are doing something good for the country. I'm wondering what that good is going to be.
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Old 04-29-2006, 06:33 PM   #223 (permalink)
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I'll definitely agree with you there, those plotlines were some of the low points of their respective seasons. And the problems I had with them are pretty much the same problems I have with this entire season, now that you mention it.... *shrug*....
At least we seem to have seen the last of that asshat son of Heller's.
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:10 AM   #224 (permalink)
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Anyone else think that these ending hours really slow down on the action. I swear, the beginning hours of these seasons are all over the place as far as plot goes. Now each hour is kind of one idea. This hour - Jack on plane getting recording. I'm thinking next hour - plane getting shot down, or whatever is going to happen.

Also, the people the president is calling now. What's up with them, do we know their agenda yet? Or do we know why the president was in on this in the first place? I didn't think we were clued in to why they think this is for the good of the country.
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:18 AM   #225 (permalink)
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Anyone else think that these ending hours really slow down on the action. I swear, the beginning hours of these seasons are all over the place as far as plot goes. Now each hour is kind of one idea. This hour - Jack on plane getting recording. I'm thinking next hour - plane getting shot down, or whatever is going to happen.

Also, the people the president is calling now. What's up with them, do we know their agenda yet? Or do we know why the president was in on this in the first place? I didn't think we were clued in to why they think this is for the good of the country.

I think it's kinda like a current illuminati thing.


Season 2 - Program can create a recording that sounds like anyone

Season 5 - Recording can take down a president.
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Old 05-02-2006, 02:06 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Wow, two consecutive hours and Jack hasn't killed anyone (tho he did kick the shit out of a couple guys on the plane). Nor does it look like he's going to get anyone next hour. In fact I am going to go so far as to say *28* is the magic number for this day. Jack's all done killin'.
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Old 05-02-2006, 03:05 PM   #227 (permalink)
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who cares about the kill count. its Alvarez and officer Murphy!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:59 PM   #228 (permalink)
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did anyone else think that the best part of last monday's episode was chloe's demonstration of how to use a taser?
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:08 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Oh man, that was the funniest 24 scene to date.
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Old 05-03-2006, 12:50 AM   #230 (permalink)
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There's a slight chance that by the last episode Jack might be on the ground and kicking some ass again, but, yeah, if he does break 30 kills, it's no going to be by much at all.

Additionally, Chloe is awesome. That's pretty much all there is to it. I can't figure out why Jack wouldn't play the recording over the phone to CTU just to end any problems of losing that recording, but what do I know? Excitement abounds!
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Old 05-03-2006, 06:56 AM   #231 (permalink)
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Chloe + tazer = drunk guy out cold multiple times. I was thinking the same thing about the recording. Play the damn thing over the phone so Karen knows it is legit.
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Old 05-03-2006, 09:05 AM   #232 (permalink)
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Season 2 - Program can create a recording that sounds like anyone

Season 5 - Recording can take down a president.
Mmm... I'm laughing like Stewie right now... y'know... when he can't stop and Brian kicks him in the head. That's frikkin' hilarious, and did not occur to me at all...

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with what you've said, that's the silliest thing ever in the history of 24... however, to play Devil's advocate... wasn't that hacker punk the only guy who could use the recording-making machine? And he's dead now, so, the President's recording couldn't be a fake the way the recording in Season 2 was, right?
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Old 05-03-2006, 10:21 AM   #233 (permalink)
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:40 PM   #234 (permalink)
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Old 05-03-2006, 10:05 PM   #235 (permalink)
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Um, so I guess when they searched Buchannan's house Wayne Palmer must have left already.

What about that suspect Vladmir Bierko Bauer saved from the Exploding gas plant?

What about Henderson?

And what the hell happened to Behrooz !?
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Old 05-04-2006, 06:23 AM   #236 (permalink)
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Chloe + tazer = drunk guy out cold multiple times. I was thinking the same thing about the recording. Play the damn thing over the phone so Karen knows it is legit.
Based on the previews, Jack might be reduced to that option. However, would that theoretically stand up in a court or some sort of legal setting? "Yes, Mr. President, we have this recording of a recording that implicates you in treason and we think you should step down. Oh, and the original ... yeah ... uh ... we can't find it."
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Old 05-04-2006, 06:27 AM   #237 (permalink)
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I don't think it would stand up at all. I would just like a couple of others to hear it so they get behind Jack 100%. Specially that dork at CTU, the one that is right under Karen.

Only a couple of hours left, and we have a lot to wrap up.
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Old 05-08-2006, 04:39 PM   #238 (permalink)
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:02 PM   #239 (permalink)
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So if I understand correctly, the snarky dude from Homeland waltzed into the room where Chloe was working on the recording with some bizarre device in his hand that emits red light, "sneakily" waved it near the recording while Chloe was working on it, and now the recording will be destroyed/corrupted/etc. and Chloe, despite working ON the recording, didn't notice.

Also, how has no one made a copy of this stupid thing yet? The first thing I would've done when I got it to CTU was copy it onto every computer in sight, e-mail it to myself, Congress, the New York Times. What genius idea did Chloe, Miss Paranoid, have of working on it only from the original and not saving it to her computer?

That is some genius plot twist right there people. GENIUS.

Alternately, it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. zzz At least the stupid crap with Terri losing her memory didn't matter. This pretty much is a cheap ploy to get an extra episode or two. I am ashamed to be a 24 fan tonight.

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Old 05-09-2006, 02:31 AM   #240 (permalink)
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and to top it off, the prez didn't shoot himself.....
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