Veronica Mars- the best show ever!
 

Hey forum,
I thought I would hearld my return to the boards with a wonderful thread about my new favorite show- Veronica Mars. I was a bit into it last year, when I could catch it, but this year I'm so totaly hooked. What is not to love about this show? It's funny, suspenseful, smart with some of the best characters on prime time this century. The cast is amazing, the scripts phenomenal and the guest stars suprising and entertaining. I was just wondering if anyone else is as huge fan of this show as I am (ok maybe not as fanatical as me but close.) Plus I thought we could talk about the episodes like did anyone see what Keith found on the bus at the end?
Later
Diva

kinda funny isn't it - replying to a thread a few months after its start.

Anyway, I'm with you on this show. I was perusing a firefly forum late last year and saw that Joss Whedon says this is his favourite show - that piqued my interest and I ummm acquired the first episode (of season 1).

Well, I was hooked. Of course the local FTA station that has the rights in Oz advertised this like it was another OC or Beverley Hills 90210, and only played about 5 episodes before wondering why their briiliant ads hadn't brought any viewers. Thus it was put back on a shelf and replaced with simpsons re-runs.

I see that I am digressing, so back to the show at hand.

You know you are really hooked on a show when on the day/evening it plays in the US, you keep refreshing your favourite torrent site to see if the episode is up :)

The kinda funny thing - in the first season, they always moved the main mystery on each week (i.e. who killed Lily). In the second series it is not obvious sometimes that what they are doing in an episode relates back to the bus crash - still engrossed and finding season 2 better that season 1.

I actually caught an episode of this show a few months ago, there wasn't anything else on tv, and I fully expected that I wouldn't like it. Dead wrong. Love, love, love this show. Watched all of season 1 and now I'm all caught up on season 2 (minus this week's episode, haven't gotten to watch it yet). Any theories about who caused the bus crash? I'm willing to bet that Woody Goodman had something to do with it...

I've seen this show a few times. I thought it would be silly but it actually is pretty witty, and Kristen Bell does a really good job. Unfortunately since it's one of those shows where the plot actually strings together from episode to episode, I found myself not getting hooked in by just watching when I remembered to. One of these days I'll probably begin renting the seasons from the start.

I hate describing the show because it sounds so goddam stupid. Nancy Drew meets pretty teen drama. Uh, huh. But the show is just brilliant. Great characters, great stories, fantastic mysteries, sharp writing, well-played story arcs, the show has everything. It has really picked up the Joss Whedon baton. Now if I could just get everyone I know to watch it...

One comparison I have read that I thought was rather apt was "Murder She Wrote" with a good looking young "detective"...

My money would be on Woody - maybe hooked in with the fitzpatrick's to have blown up the bus. But I was way off on Lily's murder so, probably best not to ask me :)

Actually, spindles, that's my guess as well, and has been for 7 or 8 episodes. We'll see - so far, the show has a proven track record of throwing out a lot of red herrings but giving you an alternate - but believeable - truth.

And I don't mean to say the show is "Nancy Drew meets pretty teen drama," but rather that it is very hard to describe to other people without saying something like that.

Well, I'm wondering if we are close enough to the end of season for them to really start to make it a bit clearer. After E19, Kendall is now looking pretty guilty, which means ir can't be her :)

I'm still thinking it's Woody - working with the Fitzpatricks, of course. I think an episode or so back, it was mentioned that there was going to be the 'outing of all outings'. I'm wondering if that also has something to do with Woody as well. Someone found out he's really gay, he blows that kid up on the bus. Who knows?

I would say Kendall is looking pretty fine!

Clearly it's Wallace. Thats why he really left. Laying low... With Veronica out of the way, he'd be the star of the show.

Veronica Mars is the best non-Galactica show on the air right now

im not sure about the bus crash,
i do know that Logan and V's scenes at the end of this weeks episode made be ball my eyes out. much like when Oz left Willow.

Damn straight, thesupermikey. You have no idea how strenously and futilely I've struggled to explain to people that the two best shows on TV are about a spaceship called Galactica and a teenage detective. At least I'm not the only one!

P.S. Plus, a bonus Joss reference. I think our tastes might actually share some sort of physical cooexistence or something.

P.P.S. I cannot describe just how hard it is to convince someone that the smartest, most insightful television commentary on the post - 9/11 world is Battlestar Galactica. Apparantly, nobody can believe a space opera has more to say on the topic than all the talking heads combined. Huh.

best way to explain - show them the pilot

Yeah, funny you should mention, that's how I got my cynical brother to become just as obsessed with Veronica Mars and Battlestar Galactica as I am.

And, incidentally, Firefly as well.

Let's just say that right now I have an unusually high cachet with my brother when it comes to television recommendations.

Well, episode 20 was a doozy. I'm leaning towards the following:
1. Woody is gay (he was going to be the "outing of all outings"
2. he abused Lucky as a kid
3. he is also one of the fitzpatrick's "high end" users.

4. he got them to blow up the bus to keep the gay kid quiet.

5. Kendall is a red herring.

1-2) maybe - he may be a sex problem all the way around, perhaps something more widespread (The Mannings Abuse of Grace, maybe Meg and the other sister) Lamb (?), and the first kid V. Baby-Sat for

3) Maybe, but if V and Weevle went though all the numbers on the cutting board than she would know about that. I think the fitzpatrick connecting is more realated to Woody trying to blackmain Terrence

4) Maybe, but do we know enough about him to connect him to the Woody (im going to call this a red herring)

5) to close to call

I finally saw this past episode. While, I didn't bawl my eyes out, it was definitely difficult to watch. Logan finally says exactly what everyone's been waiting for (okay, what I've been waiting for) and then for it to end up how it did, well that's just rough. I'll be very interested to see what happens this week.

And Spindles, I think you're pretty dead on with your guesses. Only a couple episodes left, so it should all tie together pretty soon!

I gotta say, I think there's a weird religious thing going on that will make itself known in these last two episodes. Maybe tied in to Woody being gay, maybe having to do with Woody harrassing the gay kid who died (or even Lucky the janitor). The religious thing was brought up with Meg's parents, with Sheriff Lamb, the bizarre way Woody's wife treated his son so harshly. Even if this is just a red herring, I really hope they don't drop this thread, because it's intriguing and I at least want to know what's going on.

Something tells me the Fitzpatricks aren't connected, at least directly, to Woody if only because then they'd be behind damn near everything this season - Terrence's blackmail by Lamb, Thumper taking over the PCHers, Kendall's scheming, framing Logan for murder...etc. Hell, I'll bet that Aaron Echols' jailhouse cellmate who arranged the robbery of the Logan legal papers from Cliff is a Fitzpatrick.

So it'd be kinda disappointing if the Fitzpatricks were also connected to Woody and/or behind the bus crash somehow.

Well Woddy has done a runner - and he is obviously guilty of sexual assault on the kids (two of whom were on the bus). I really want to know how beaver fits into this - I'm guessing he was also on Woody's little league team.

No real surprise to see Aaron get off on the lily Kane murder - neither veronica or keith were particularly good on the witness stand.

Who blew up the bus - I'm still no closer to knowing...

Yeah I still don't have any idea where the season finale is going. I'm dying to find out - it even kills me that I'll have to wait a little while because I have White Sox tickets for Tuesday night.

I'm curious where the third season - God willing, it'll be following Gilmore Girls or something on the CW - is going. I figure she's obviously going to Hearst, as Wallace will be there, the admissions lady likes her, and it's in Neptune. I also wonder if there'll be another season-ending cliffhanger...

I never thought about Beaver being on Woody's little league team - sure would explain a few things. And I hate that Aaron was found not guilty - wonder what he'll be up to next. I'm guessing he and Kendall are up to no good...

As far as the third season, I just read this: "Rob Thomas has big plans for season three. "We're going to do away with the season-long mystery and, instead, go with three long mysteries. Our first mystery would be eight episodes long, and the nice thing about it is that we give the audience more jumping-in points." In episode 16, the first mystery will introduce the rapist, who shaves women's heads, which Thomas says "allows us to keep some characters we've grown to love on the show." I also read that they want to make Tina Marjorino (Mac) a regular next season. I assume Veronica will end up at Hearst with Wallace and Mac. Don't know who else will come back - I don't see how Weevil will fit in, or Dick or Beaver for that matter. I assume Logan will be around, but again, don't know how he'll fit in.

I think it's a good idea to go with three medium-sized mysteries rather than one large season-long one. I mean, is some disastrous who-dunnit going to happen to Veronica every fall for the rest of her life? I really hope that there's going to be future seasons...

Well, Veronica skipped out on the last exam to go to the verdict hearing, so there goes the Kane scholarship, so Stamford?? (or whichever uni she got into) is out... That points her back at Hearst.

edit - also what is the significance of the scratching/message on beaver's car?

also? the kid with Beave we have never seen before. with i something that i find more interesting. They Keyer could of just got the wrong car. But the kid with beav, he was strange.

by 'also' I was showing this was an afterthought to my previous note (maybe redundant because I already said 'edit' :)).

Must say I didn't notice the kid with beaver - I just assumed he was an 'extra' and not really relevant to the story.

turns out the kid with Beav is the kid who video taped Mrs Eckles jumping off the bridge WAY back in season 1.

so thats what the whole "I can keep a secret" deal was all about.

V-Day in 23 hours

Ah, that's what I thought but I wasn't sure.

Yeah, I can't wait.

It's alright for you guys - I have to wait for the alternative distribution method to kick in - bloody crap local TV station. Cmon channel BT.

so does that mean you want us to stay way from spoilers?

no fire away - i'll avoid the thread until I watch it

Wow! I can't believe Veronica caused the crash!

(Kidding.)

well - they tied in nicely the chlamydia thing, they made sure steve guttenberg and harry hamlin can't possibly get a start in any season 3, they've left Logan able to live his "rich boy" lifestyle and they nicely answered the "who blew up the bus" question.

Rob Thomas has said they have hinted about the season 3 mystery. Damn I hate season ends...

Beaver has always seemed a little creepy, so no huge surprises. I was wondering for a few minutes why the would write out Mr Mars (being the *best* character in the show), but that feeling didn't last long...

A bit of info from TV Guide

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ausiello/AskAusiello/

I figured Jackie was done and that Kendall wouldn't be a regular, but Teddy Dunn being off the show totally was kind of a surprise. I hope he gets brought back for at least one arc.

I think I'll miss Principle Clemmons the most, though...

Dunn has started law school....that is the word that went around the TV w/o Pity Board after he left in 'Donut Run'

Hey, maybe Clemmons is become Dean at Herst! it will be lke boy meets world!

Whew. I finally saw the episode! It was all I could do to not read this thread the past couple of days. What a good episode, with only some minor cliffhaning. Woody's out, Aaron's out, and I'm quite interested to see what Kendall's got in that briefcase, something big if Keith is ditching Veronica. And, I'm such a girl, but it's about time Logan and Veronica got back together. :)

My prayers have been answered, Veronica Mars has been picked up for Season 3:

http://community.tvguide.com/thread....02002#comments


I really, really hope they go for the 22-ep season...

As long as ratings are good, I think it'll be just fine. Or, I hope so at least! :)

woo hoo! I wonder if us non-Americans can somehow be included in ratings, even though the advertising is removed and (even if it wasn't), I'm hardly likely to recognise half the products advertised.

USA Today is reporting that Veronica Mars wil air on Tusdays at 9.00pm following Girlmore Girls

http://www.usatoday.com/life/televis...schedule_x.htm