Nancy

I suppose Desmond could have drawn that. Since he's an outsider as well, I'm sure he too was eager to figure out what was going on - or possibly along with Kelvin (the original resident of the bunker who rescued Desmond, when his boat ran aground on a reef, and later revealed the bunker and enlisted Desmond’s help in maintaining it). Even though Kelvin is one of The Others I don't think he was ever informed about the true agenda of the Dharma Initiative - and The orientation film certainly didn't reveal anything remotely classified.

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He was:

Henry Gale
(Deceased)

BIO:
First Name: Henry
Last Name: Gale
Sex: Male
Citizenship: United States
Address1: 815 Walnut Ridge Road
City: Wayzata
State/Province: Minnesota
Zip Code: 55391

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I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.

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What are Sayid and Charlie building with bamboo?

- A prison perhaps? It seems that no one hate The Others as much as Charlie and Sayid. Perhaps what ever they are currently working on is part of some kind of plan that they've come up with after the conversation which ended with Sayid asking: "Have you forgotten, Charlie?"

And what is Mr. Eko up to? Remember him starting to cut down the trees he'd marked with an X? He later borrowed tool from the bunker to help him in the building of something unknown..

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crossova

i believer that ecko will build some kind of church and charlie/sayid are helping...now that ecko is most religious person on the island. on the topic of religion, i wonder if they will show Sayid making prayer. Just because he is Iraqi doesn't make him muslim, but it would nice to see a muslim on television.

crossova

wow i didnt even notice that. good eye. damn

Nancy

Hmm could be. But since we haven't seen the three of them making plans or building anything together I can't help but feel that Charlie and Sayid are up to something themselves.

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Tamerlain

A prison seems like the most likely answer, since Charlie and Sayid probably do hate The Others more than anyone else on the island. I like the idea of a church too though. Though if that was the case, Eko would probably be helping.

Either way, it seems kind of small. Perhaps we're reading too much into it and it's just another shelter. We can see in the background that everyone is still pretty much living in a tent-town, so a shelter would make just as much sense as a prison or a church.

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blar

it was said in an interview that we will know who wrote the map by the end of this season.

the_marq

Judging by that picture, the "bars" are too far apart for this to be a prison. I think we're all trying to read too much into the boys just building another shelter.

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Jove

I thought tonight's episode was really well done. I felt bad for Hurley just because of his imaginary friend problem and trying to figuring out the difference between what is "real" and what is only in his mind.


And the "Henry Gale" is an other who stated that he was not afraid of the guy with the beard, since there is someone or something much more powerful that he.

Libby was in the same institution as Hurley! I wonder what type of problem she had.

blar

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he was right the guy with the beard is "no one". it was just a person acting out that role. I am very interested in knowing about the person everyone (the others) seems to fear.....i bet its a kid that’s leading them

so the rumors that have been around since Hurley said he recognizes Libby from somehwere were true… Libby was in that ward as well

lol i think the fake mr. gale was right the numbers do nothing even Walt said don't push the buttons the buttons are bad (backwards).

Frosstbyte

Wow. What a waste of an episode. I guess background info about Hurley is all well and good but it did only two things to advance the mythology of the show, and neither of those was very meaningful. I feel like there are much more elegant ways to do what they did. Ah well. Next week looks to be excellent.

Tamerlain

About the only thing of consequence in this episode, I felt, is that we found out Libby was in the psychiatric hospital with Hurley. A future problem this could cause might be Hurley finding out and again thinking that the island and everything happening to him is in his head.

It will be interesting to find out if Libby was cured like Hurley was, or if she broke out and is still having mental problems. The latter will make for more interesting plotlines, I imagine.

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Frosstbyte

Yeah, that really was literally the only important thing about this episode. So many better ways to show us that without just taking a week off from the important plotlines.

the_marq

Umm, how about the fact that 'Bluebeard' is just a pawn and not the leader of the "Others." Doesn't that strike you as significant?

What could scare a man more than a crazed Iraqi with a gun to your head?

I agree that this was a 'down' episode from last week, but not a total waste of time.

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mrklixx

I don't know if anyone else caught this, or if it just might be my imagination, but it looked to me that right after the little "tender-smoochie scene" on the cliff, as Hurley was walking away, that Libby had a look of disgust on her face.

So if that is the case, I'm thinking that either she's an other (less likely), or that since she is from the same city and was in the same institution as Hrley, that she knows all about his lottery winnings, and maybe is making a little "plans for the future" play.

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the_marq

You mean this look of disgust?



That's a good catch, could be she is just playing Hugo to get his money. Seems like a reasonable theory to me.

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fresnelly

I caught that look too. At the time, I couldn't decide if it was intentional, or just bad acting. If it was intentional, I suspect it's a nod to her mental instability, rather than some convoluted plan to go after his off-island money.

My guess is that later this season, she will turn out to be an obsessive, jealous, paranoid stalker. Moreover, while in the hospital, she created a complex fantasy life for her and Hurly; which we'll get to see.

This speaks to two "Things you wouldn't know without the movies":

1) Women who pursue men first, are insane.

2) Short, husky guys just can't get a break.

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Tamerlain

We found out that there was someone above Zeke a few episodes ago. It was in one of the episodes where Claire was having flashbacks about what happened to her when she was kidnapped by Ethan.

There was a scene where Zeke was talking to Ethan and they make a reference to someone above them. So it didn't surprise me that Gale was more afraid of someone above Zeke than Zeke himself.

I think most of us are feeling that this episode wasn't very good because the last 3 or 4 have been excellent, where this one was just regular.

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MPower

Now we know that it is really all in Hurleys head. Maybe the rest of the cast will show up in some of his psych flashbacks.

Frosstbyte

Sure, that's significant. However, given the course of the storyline, all of the hatch stuff just seemed out of place. Hurley wasn't in or around the hatch. His flashback wasn't relevant to what was going on in the hatch or with the others or anything else.

The episode was clumsy. Good episodes do a good job of integrating the primary storyline/mythology with the individual who is at the heart of the episode and his flashbacks. "The Long Con" is, in my opinion, the best episode period so far. Everything that happens works in concert to advance the overall storyline, advance the characters in the present and to give us more background on Sawyer in the past.

This episode showed us some random facts about Hurley and one random fact about his ladyfriend. It also showed a few random facts about Locke's condition, Sayid's frustration, Henry's resolve and the structure of the Others. It didn't do it in an elegant and coherent manner like they've shown themselves capable of doing in the past, and I would've rather learned the fact that Mr. Friendly has a big scary boss in a more compelling fashion when it seemed to reflect upon the experiences of the protagonist of that episode.

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I very much disagree with the analysis that the fact that she was in the institution shows that the entire island is in Hurley's head. It would be such an immensely cheap parlour trick to have that happen. I feel like it's there to tease you as a "wouldn't this be interesting" but I don't think it has a lot of merit. For example, why would we have seen all of these dispirate background stories if they're all constructs of Hurley's delusional mind?

Hurley clearly doesn't know everything about everyone, so what possible device would there be for us to have seen background about people if Hurley (who would be our only source) doesn't actively know about them himself? There would have to be an enormously bizarre combination of his brain creating very elaborate stories about all of these people and then repressing all of that creative energy so that he doesn't actively know it.

If Hurley were Jack (i.e. the person that the show has focused on the most), I think there might be an argument for it being in his head. Hurley has been too much of a side character for me to really think it works. Lost, in general, isn't really very conducive to being relegated to being someone's delusion, because there are so many people with so much going on. Now, if they're all under the influence of the *SAME* delusion, that's another question entirely.

blar

i saw an animated gif of this scene...things really seem interesting

heywatsup

some great ideas here, i do think that it will be some sort of church, i hear that the next episode will be one of the best yet and sets the scene for the last few eps this season

Nancy

Sam Austen holding a picture of Kate. The picture would be her at 12 or 13 years old.


I totally missed that.

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Yeah I missed that too. I can't even remember which episode it's from.

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crossova

is that the episode on when they did Sayid's back story on how he became a torturer?

oh and congrats to me! i guessed it right that Ecko was building a church.

fresnelly

A very character driven ep. last night. I enjoy those, so I wasn't too disappointed with the lack of mythology advancement.

My guess, is that the healing qualities of the island are at the root of the Dharma Initiative, what ever that was, and also responsible for Jin's fertility; unless of course Sun slept with her English tutor. Furthermore, mental health does not appear to be affected by them. (I'm looking at you Libby!)

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robbdn

Yeah, I really think episodes like last night's are the reason I keep watching the show. It was really really good, even though many will say that nothing happened.

I agree... magnetics definitely are involved, and healing is definitely a part of it, as the Australian faith healer was trying to explain to Rose. I was also reminded of an episode of Bullshit! I saw about these energy spots in the earth, in which they completely debunked the idea that these magnetic vortexes in the Earth have healing properties... I wonder if the Island is just a magnetic vortex so amazingly powerful that it can heal, somehow...

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Charlatan

This rings true to what we knew last season when Locke lost the use of his legs for a while, when Boone died.

As the Mystic at Uluru suggested, it may have something to do with magnetism... this also fuels the magnetism theories out there.

Interesting to see Rose and Bernard's back story. I've been wanting to see some of their life for a while. Also interesting to see more survivors. This was the first episode I can remember since the early days, where there were more extras roaming about.

I am very interested to see where Locke is going with his new break from the hatch. I think he suspects that the numbers are a psychological experiment and he is having none of it now. He won't enter the numbers again (faith!). I also suspect he will eventually lead a party to discover the whereabouts of the other hatches, once he has completed his map.

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saut

what ever happened to locke being a mystic badass, anyway? he's seemed so average this season.

Jove

Is Michael brainwashed or is he telling the truth about his information on the others?

Charlatan

I don't see any reason to think he is brainwashed at this moment. He could have been shown false information to lead him on but I don't think so.

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>>>but it looked to me that right after the little "tender-smoochie scene" on the cliff, as Hurley was walking away, that Libby had a look of disgust on her face.>>>

Maybe Hurley's breath smelled like stale junk food ?

I am sure Libby knows that Hurley will be declared offically dead before they are rescued and his millions spread out to his living family members. Although if she is insane, then she might not have figured that out. She might be doing the survivor alliance thing with Hurley since he has a good nose to smell out food ?

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Michael didn't say anything in the episode I saw. Did you see something I missed?

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fresnelly

In the promo for the next new episode, Michael comes running out of the bushes at the "border", where Jack and Kate are waiting. He is out of breath and appears to have been running from something. He collapses at their feet and says that he found the Others' encampment and that there are actually less of them than it appears. Furthermore, they are poorly armed at best. He goes on to say that a group of attacking plane survivors could easily overcome them and get his son back. Dunh, Dunh, Dunnnn!

I have no idea whether Michael has switched sides or not. This could go either way.

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the_marq

Oh OK. I didn't see the promo for next week, just Michael colapsing with kate and jack looking on.

So it hasn't happened, yet, but will after the next hiatus is over. Stupid hiatus

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Nancy

That it be.

Indeed you did I'm still wondering what Sayid and Charlie are building though

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At first I didn't question her credibility at all, but after seeing her joyless facial expression in the closing scene where Jin's touching her stomach I'm not so sure anymore.

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Fremen

Charlie must be all over the place then, because he was/is helping Eko build Ye Olde Church, as well.

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Tamerlain

I noticed that expression too, but I don't think it's likely that she is pregnant by her English tutor. They've been on the island for two months now, and the flashbacks of her and the English tutor were not too close to the departure date of their flight for Australia. If she had slept with him, I think her pregnancy would have been showing much earlier.

Makes me wonder what the look was for though. Maybe she's worried Jin will be the same person he was when they get off the island and she doesn't want to raise a family with him if he's going to be the same person he was when he worked for her father.

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