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Rubyee · 07-22-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

Isn't Snape supposed to be very skilled in Occlumency?

Yes, he is. But still- able to fool Voldemort even with occlumency?

I don't know, I find it hard to believe.

Xixox · 07-22-2005, 09:21 PM

Extreme spoilers here. Even possible spoilers for Book 7, though all speculation here.

Do not proceed unless you want to be spoiled.

Seriously. I mean it.

Still with me? Ok. First, I believe Dumbledore was aware that he had to die, as others have said, so that Harry would be prodded on to finishing off LV. I also believe that he trusted Snape to be the one to finish him off. I think when Snape entered into the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa, he told DD about it. He was forced to protect Draco and, if necessary, complete Draco's task. I think DD trusts Snape implicitly because he has also entered into an Unbreakable Vow with him.

Going way back in time, here. 17-18 years ago, Snape gave LV the partial prophecy which led to Harry's parents' deaths. He did not know whom the prophecy would lead LV to. I believe that Snape had feelings for Lily (Potter) Evans while in school, because she, a mudblood of all people, defended him when he was being picked on by James. I think his worst memory is of one such occasion when, after she stood up for him, he turned on her & called her a mudblood, betraying the one person at the school he could possibly have gotten along with.

So LV slays James & Lily, and then Snape, racked with guilt, turns himself in to Dumbledore. DD has Snape enter an Unbreakable Vow to follow his orders and remain loyal to the Order of the Phoenix. Hey, maybe Albus's brother Aberforth did the honors of casting the spell in the same room of the Hog's Head where DD heard the prophesy. BTW, my favorite theory is that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head... he was rumored to be outcast due to something involving goats, and the Hog's Head Inn was said to smell like goats. And Harry has thought him to be familiar. I think it'd be a nice touch, anyway.

So, we have Snape in an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore, and then coerced into another Unbreakable Vow to protect Draco. I believe that at the top of the tower, there was a little Legilimancy going on between DD and Snape, where DD was telling Snape that he must kill him. Killing DD saves Draco from having to do it - keeping Draco's soul from being damaged - and it earns Snape endless credibility with the Death Eaters, which, as we see in Spinner's End, has been slipping steadily.

Snape's mastery of Occlumency prevents LV from knowing of his arrangement with DD, but he has to remain vile against Harry so that Harry won't unintentionally blow his cover.

Secondly, Draco. I don't believe he is redeemed. He's a self-serving coward, through & through. He is always haughty when he feels he is in control, but as soon as the tables are turned, he becomes a whiny little bitch. I don't believe he is going to die in book 7, but I don't think he will become a good guy.

Third, the lovey-dovey behavior from the scooby gang. I enjoyed it, as sickeningly sweet as it was. Lavender was completely overboard, but hey, I've known girls like that at that age. I think there's something behind the hormonal jolt experienced by H,HR and Ron in this book. Remember their first day of Potions? They were getting lots of fumes from the love potion there. I don't think it's entirely to blame, but I think it got the juices going a bit. I also think the Harry/Ginny breakup was a bit Spidermanly, but that's really an age-old plot device.

Fourth, Hogwarts. I think they have to go back to school. They will probably start with every intention of not returning to school, but there is a lot left to do there. We have yet to see the houses unite, y'know?

Fifth, Horcruxes. I'm betting there are five left. DD destroyed the ring, Harry destroyed the book. I think the necklace was brought to Grimauld Place by Regulus. I'd bet it was the one mentioned during the big housecleaning project -- perhaps it was sold by Mundungus? It'll have to be found & destroyed. That covers Slytherin, leaving something from Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, and/or Gryffindor (wouldn't it be a twist if it was the sword?), and then the snake. I like the theory that Harry is a horcrux... maybe not Harry so much as his scar. The AK curse is said not to leave any mark behind, so something is unique about Harry's scar. It could be that LV was going to make a horcrux using Harry's death as his 7th soul-split but, when the spell went awry, the horcrux was created in the middle of Harry's forehead.

Sixth, some spoilery speculation. Maybe big spoilers if I'm right, but this is entirely guesswork. I think Hagrid's a goner in book 7. From what I've gathered from random posts about alchemy, there are several steps to the finished product in alchemy. #5 is black, #6 is white, and #7 is red. Book 5, Sirius Black dies. Book 6, Albus (White) Dumbledore dies. Book 7... Rubeus (Ruby) Hagrid? That or/and the red-headed Ronald Weasley? JKR has said that a lot is revealed in the first book, and Ron does do the whole heroic sacrifice thing on the chessboard. I'll be really sad if any of that is true, though. I really want Neville to open up a can o' whoopass now that he's got his new wand. I'd also really like to see Luna charging into battle riding on a crumple-horned snorkack, hehe. Lastly, I hope we see a bit more of Harry's mastery of magic revealed. Like, I want other wizards to find out he could cast Lumos without holding his wand and be totally amazed. Also, when he kills Voldemort, I want it to be with something simple, yet twisted. "Accio HEART!" has a great feel to it. *muhaha*

Overall, I really enjoyed the book. It was a huge relief after the angst-fest that was Harry in OoTP. Harry's starting to express the things he used to bottle up ("You don't need to call me sir, Professor," LOL) and he's no longer letting others use him. The book did lack some of the wonderment that the first books had, but I think a lot of it is in the story being told from Harry's perspective. As he has grown, his view of the wizarding world has as well. I think JKR kept a good tension going even behind the light-hearted bits, with occasional inferences to the deaths of prominent wizards. The book felt a little thin, but it's purpose really is just to set up the scene for Book 7. It's the Empire Strikes Back of the series, y'know.

Mr.Deflok · 07-23-2005, 02:54 AM

Let's have a round of applause for Xixox! Take a bow!

djflish · 07-23-2005, 03:28 AM

bouray · 07-23-2005, 11:05 AM

i would say that Xixox has put a lot of thought and speculation into book 7...nice work.

Fremen · 07-23-2005, 08:14 PM

Yeah, and Xixox, I liked the Dune feel of the sixth part of your post.

kutulu · 07-25-2005, 09:41 AM

I had wondered if Snape had an Unbreakable Vow with DD but I don't think DD would do that sort of thing. The UV seems like dark magic that a good wizard wouldn't rely on.

Redlemon · 07-25-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by djflish

Just finished it! And I'm not gonna use spoiler tags, cause if you've got this far then you don't care about knowing!

Thanks for clearing that out. The title says spoilers, so be it.

Dumbledore's death didn't surprise me, based on narrative structures. He's the guide and mentor, and the hero has to take the last step on his own. Back in Goblet, when JKR announced that there would be a death, I figured it was Dumbledore or Hagrid. So, I was a couple of books early.

lukethebandgeek · 07-25-2005, 03:02 PM

Wow... That was a lot to read.

How do you guys come up with this stuff? It must just be me, but I can't anylize that closely.

Still. Bravo.

Stiltzkin · 08-01-2005, 05:03 PM

http://www.dumbledore-is-not-dead.com/

Fremen · 08-01-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stiltzkin

http://www.dumbledore-is-not-dead.com/

You need to take out the hyphens from the url, Stiltzkin.

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

Ishmal · 08-01-2005, 09:23 PM

interesting site...

it raises some good points,

i didn't even consider Umbridges(sp) potrait...

thanx for the link

present_future · 08-02-2005, 03:53 PM

Wow, that site definitely had some good points. I hate to think how much time that person took to come up with all those conclusions.

ShaniFaye · 08-03-2005, 03:30 AM

actually it wouldnt take that much time....I pretty much said all those same things after reading the book....but then Im a nerd lol

spongy · 08-03-2005, 08:24 PM

I think he's dead, not even Miracle Max can help him now imho.

snowy · 08-03-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Xixox

BTW, my favorite theory is that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head... he was rumored to be outcast due to something involving goats, and the Hog's Head Inn was said to smell like goats. And Harry has thought him to be familiar. I think it'd be a nice touch, anyway.

JK Rowling has confirmed in interviews that Aberforth Dumbledore is indeed the bartender at the Hog's Head.

As for the goats, he "enchanted" them, but God only knows what that means.

Redlemon · 08-04-2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fremen

You need to take out the hyphens from the url, Stiltzkin.

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

Excellent find, a good read. I'm not 100% convinced that Dubmledore isn't dead; however, I am convinced that if he did die, it was is intention to die in that way, and that he and Snape were working together on it.

Nakhash · 08-09-2005, 06:38 PM

Late to the discussion - but I just joined up.

If RAB is Regulus, and the horcrux is a locket, then it's probably the one mentioned in OotP. While cleaning out the cabinet in the drawing room, they come across "a heavy locket that none of them could open." Keep in mind, Mundungus has been nicking items from the house since Sirius died.

It took two (Harry and DD) to retrieve the fake horcrux. It probably took two to retrieve the first one. If so, one of them would probably need to be knowledgeable in potions in order to provide an antidote (if one exists) and to replace the potion. Several possibilities come to mind: Snape, Slughorn, and Lily Evans (Potter), based on their supposed knowledge of potions. Admittedly, none of them really fit.

JKR has left tons of clues (some probably red herrings) that could lead Snape to be either evil or acting under orders. He still needs to have a major confrontation with his internal demons (hatred of Harry via James & Sirius), which will probably lead to him either accepting or rejecting some final redemption.

She's also yanking chains with DD's "Burning Day" funeral a la Fawkes. Any further interactions with him will probably be through his portrait.

Sirius's relatives: Regulus (younger brother: dead), the Black sisters (his cousins: Bellatrix Lestrange, Andromeda Tonks, Narcissa Malfoy), and the sisters' children: Nymphadora Tonks and Draco Malfoy. Not sure why Harry can control Kreacher when there are others who are blood relatives.

The book came across as if JKR had read a LOT of fanfiction. She even uses DADA for Defence Against the Dark Arts. In an interview (or maybe her official website) she had already said that Blaise was a boy. HBP was the first canon mention of it, and the first time ever that his race was mentioned.

Hermione's age (oldest of the three, not youngest) finally gets mentioned in canon. JKR has a bit of a problem with birth years.

Nakhash · 08-09-2005, 06:51 PM

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Book 7... Rubeus (Ruby) Hagrid? That or/and the red-headed Ronald Weasley? JKR has said that a lot is revealed in the first book, and Ron does do the whole heroic sacrifice thing on the chessboard.

I'm inclined towards Ron (Won-Won). Not only because of the chessboard sacrifice overtones, but because his new wand has a unicorn hair core.

In Book 1, unicorns are dying in the Forbidden Forest. Discussing the deaths, Ronan (centaur) says: “Always the innocent are the first victims”

Nak

Nakhash · 08-09-2005, 06:57 PM

There were several things about HBP that irked me.

The whole repeat class on poisons and antidotes. Snape gave that lesson in GoF. He intended to use Harry as the test subject for the class, but Harry got called away to the Weighing of the Wands.

The brewing of a Love Potion after Rita Skeeter's article (also GoF) mentions they are "banned, of course, at Hogwarts."

Not telling us WHO sent the Howler to Aunt Petunia and what did the message ‘REMEMBER MY LAST, PETUNIA’ mean (OotP). Harry didn't recognize the voice.

Nak

guthmund · 08-09-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spongy

I think he's dead, not even Miracle Max can help him now imho.

Well, you never know....maybe Dumbledore is only mostly dead.

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Originally Posted by nak

Sirius's relatives: Regulus (younger brother: dead), the Black sisters (his cousins: Bellatrix Lestrange, Andromeda Tonks, Narcissa Malfoy), and the sisters' children: Nymphadora Tonks and Draco Malfoy. Not sure why Harry can control Kreacher when there are others who are blood relatives.

I thought it was because Sirius left the house to Harry. Kreacher's tied to the house ---> house left to Harry ---> Kreacher tied to Harry.

Of course....I could be amazingly wrong.

Pip · 08-10-2005, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nakhash

The book came across as if JKR had read a LOT of fanfiction.

I felt that too, some parts were like reading a better fanfic. Although it would be impossible to avoid entirely. JKR is in a very unique situation with her writing and the speculations and copying. She would have had to hide away in a remote place without Internet years ago to avoid getting affected I suppose.

Nakhash · 08-10-2005, 06:08 AM

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I thought it was because Sirius left the house to Harry. Kreacher's tied to the house ---> house left to Harry ---> Kreacher tied to Harry.

Hmmm ... makes sense!

Nak

Nakhash · 08-10-2005, 06:11 AM

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JKR is in a very unique situation with her writing and the speculations and copying. She would have had to hide away in a remote place without Internet years ago to avoid getting affected I suppose.

The LJ entries and Yahoo groups posts from those who HATE JKR for sinking their 'ships have been highly entertaining.

RogueHunter65 · 08-10-2005, 06:47 AM

I thought it was interesting that JK Rowling did not explain the arguement that Dumbledor and Snape had, the one where Harry overheard the last part of it. She always explains everything that happens like that. I just think it is odd that it was not revealed what they were fighting about.

I think that the subject of that arguement would be very revealing of Snapes motivations.

Nakhash · 08-11-2005, 03:30 PM

Yeah - she likes to yank our chains, Ms Jo does.

spongy · 08-14-2005, 06:27 PM

I have a problem with the Harry as Horcrux theory.. aren't you supposed to hide part of your soul in a horcrux? And didn't Voldemort try to kill Harry?

Please explain how it would work, or what I'm missing.

PS I know of a guy who thought that Dumbledore was a horcrux..... heh.

JustJess · 08-15-2005, 06:09 AM

I don't think it makes sense at all for Harry to be a horcrux... unless Voldemort doesn't know. Plus, Harry has to destroy all the horcruxes BEFORE he destroys Voldemort... so he clearly can't destroy himself first, even if you think for a second that JKR would have a suicide in her book... if Harry's to die, it won't be like that.

The only problem I have with everyone thinking that Dumbledore didn't die is JKR herself. She's said in interviews that she would never lie to children, and that if someone dies in her books, they're really dead. I think all we're going to have is Dumbledore's portrait... and I don't think anyone alive gets a portrait. There's never been any indication that they do.

07-23-2005, 03:28 AM	#44 (permalink)
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07-23-2005, 08:14 PM	#46 (permalink)
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07-25-2005, 03:02 PM	#49 (permalink)
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08-01-2005, 09:23 PM	#52 (permalink)
Ishmal Wicked Clown Location: House Of Horrors	interesting site... it raises some good points, i didn't even consider Umbridges(sp) potrait... thanx for the link __________________ "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular."

08-02-2005, 03:53 PM	#53 (permalink)
present_future Take my hand Location: Everywhere, but nowhere	Wow, that site definitely had some good points. I hate to think how much time that person took to come up with all those conclusions. __________________ The only thing I'll ever ask of you... you gotta promise not to stop when I say when.

07-22-2005, 09:21 PM	#42 (permalink)
Xixox Crazy Location: MN-WI	Extreme spoilers here. Even possible spoilers for Book 7, though all speculation here. Do not proceed unless you want to be spoiled. Seriously. I mean it. Still with me? Ok. First, I believe Dumbledore was aware that he had to die, as others have said, so that Harry would be prodded on to finishing off LV. I also believe that he trusted Snape to be the one to finish him off. I think when Snape entered into the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa, he told DD about it. He was forced to protect Draco and, if necessary, complete Draco's task. I think DD trusts Snape implicitly because he has also entered into an Unbreakable Vow with him. Going way back in time, here. 17-18 years ago, Snape gave LV the partial prophecy which led to Harry's parents' deaths. He did not know whom the prophecy would lead LV to. I believe that Snape had feelings for Lily (Potter) Evans while in school, because she, a mudblood of all people, defended him when he was being picked on by James. I think his worst memory is of one such occasion when, after she stood up for him, he turned on her & called her a mudblood, betraying the one person at the school he could possibly have gotten along with. So LV slays James & Lily, and then Snape, racked with guilt, turns himself in to Dumbledore. DD has Snape enter an Unbreakable Vow to follow his orders and remain loyal to the Order of the Phoenix. Hey, maybe Albus's brother Aberforth did the honors of casting the spell in the same room of the Hog's Head where DD heard the prophesy. BTW, my favorite theory is that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hog's Head... he was rumored to be outcast due to something involving goats, and the Hog's Head Inn was said to smell like goats. And Harry has thought him to be familiar. I think it'd be a nice touch, anyway. So, we have Snape in an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore, and then coerced into another Unbreakable Vow to protect Draco. I believe that at the top of the tower, there was a little Legilimancy going on between DD and Snape, where DD was telling Snape that he must kill him. Killing DD saves Draco from having to do it - keeping Draco's soul from being damaged - and it earns Snape endless credibility with the Death Eaters, which, as we see in Spinner's End, has been slipping steadily. Snape's mastery of Occlumency prevents LV from knowing of his arrangement with DD, but he has to remain vile against Harry so that Harry won't unintentionally blow his cover. Secondly, Draco. I don't believe he is redeemed. He's a self-serving coward, through & through. He is always haughty when he feels he is in control, but as soon as the tables are turned, he becomes a whiny little bitch. I don't believe he is going to die in book 7, but I don't think he will become a good guy. Third, the lovey-dovey behavior from the scooby gang. I enjoyed it, as sickeningly sweet as it was. Lavender was completely overboard, but hey, I've known girls like that at that age. I think there's something behind the hormonal jolt experienced by H,HR and Ron in this book. Remember their first day of Potions? They were getting lots of fumes from the love potion there. I don't think it's entirely to blame, but I think it got the juices going a bit. I also think the Harry/Ginny breakup was a bit Spidermanly, but that's really an age-old plot device. Fourth, Hogwarts. I think they have to go back to school. They will probably start with every intention of not returning to school, but there is a lot left to do there. We have yet to see the houses unite, y'know? Fifth, Horcruxes. I'm betting there are five left. DD destroyed the ring, Harry destroyed the book. I think the necklace was brought to Grimauld Place by Regulus. I'd bet it was the one mentioned during the big housecleaning project -- perhaps it was sold by Mundungus? It'll have to be found & destroyed. That covers Slytherin, leaving something from Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, and/or Gryffindor (wouldn't it be a twist if it was the sword?), and then the snake. I like the theory that Harry is a horcrux... maybe not Harry so much as his scar. The AK curse is said not to leave any mark behind, so something is unique about Harry's scar. It could be that LV was going to make a horcrux using Harry's death as his 7th soul-split but, when the spell went awry, the horcrux was created in the middle of Harry's forehead. Sixth, some spoilery speculation. Maybe big spoilers if I'm right, but this is entirely guesswork. I think Hagrid's a goner in book 7. From what I've gathered from random posts about alchemy, there are several steps to the finished product in alchemy. #5 is black, #6 is white, and #7 is red. Book 5, Sirius Black dies. Book 6, Albus (White) Dumbledore dies. Book 7... Rubeus (Ruby) Hagrid? That or/and the red-headed Ronald Weasley? JKR has said that a lot is revealed in the first book, and Ron does do the whole heroic sacrifice thing on the chessboard. I'll be really sad if any of that is true, though. I really want Neville to open up a can o' whoopass now that he's got his new wand. I'd also really like to see Luna charging into battle riding on a crumple-horned snorkack, hehe. Lastly, I hope we see a bit more of Harry's mastery of magic revealed. Like, I want other wizards to find out he could cast Lumos without holding his wand and be totally amazed. Also, when he kills Voldemort, I want it to be with something simple, yet twisted. "Accio HEART!" has a great feel to it. muhaha Overall, I really enjoyed the book. It was a huge relief after the angst-fest that was Harry in OoTP. Harry's starting to express the things he used to bottle up ("You don't need to call me sir, Professor," LOL) and he's no longer letting others use him. The book did lack some of the wonderment that the first books had, but I think a lot of it is in the story being told from Harry's perspective. As he has grown, his view of the wizarding world has as well. I think JKR kept a good tension going even behind the light-hearted bits, with occasional inferences to the deaths of prominent wizards. The book felt a little thin, but it's purpose really is just to set up the scene for Book 7. It's the Empire Strikes Back of the series, y'know.

07-23-2005, 02:54 AM	#43 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Let's have a round of applause for Xixox! Take a bow!

07-23-2005, 11:05 AM	#45 (permalink)
bouray Insane Location: Bayou Country	i would say that Xixox has put a lot of thought and speculation into book 7...nice work.

07-25-2005, 09:41 AM	#47 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I had wondered if Snape had an Unbreakable Vow with DD but I don't think DD would do that sort of thing. The UV seems like dark magic that a good wizard wouldn't rely on.

08-01-2005, 05:03 PM	#50 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	http://www.dumbledore-is-not-dead.com/

08-03-2005, 03:30 AM	#54 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	actually it wouldnt take that much time....I pretty much said all those same things after reading the book....but then Im a nerd lol __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-03-2005, 08:24 PM	#55 (permalink)
spongy Psycho	I think he's dead, not even Miracle Max can help him now imho. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed. Stephen King

08-09-2005, 06:38 PM	#58 (permalink)
Nakhash Upright	Late to the discussion - but I just joined up. If RAB is Regulus, and the horcrux is a locket, then it's probably the one mentioned in OotP. While cleaning out the cabinet in the drawing room, they come across "a heavy locket that none of them could open." Keep in mind, Mundungus has been nicking items from the house since Sirius died. It took two (Harry and DD) to retrieve the fake horcrux. It probably took two to retrieve the first one. If so, one of them would probably need to be knowledgeable in potions in order to provide an antidote (if one exists) and to replace the potion. Several possibilities come to mind: Snape, Slughorn, and Lily Evans (Potter), based on their supposed knowledge of potions. Admittedly, none of them really fit. JKR has left tons of clues (some probably red herrings) that could lead Snape to be either evil or acting under orders. He still needs to have a major confrontation with his internal demons (hatred of Harry via James & Sirius), which will probably lead to him either accepting or rejecting some final redemption. She's also yanking chains with DD's "Burning Day" funeral a la Fawkes. Any further interactions with him will probably be through his portrait. Sirius's relatives: Regulus (younger brother: dead), the Black sisters (his cousins: Bellatrix Lestrange, Andromeda Tonks, Narcissa Malfoy), and the sisters' children: Nymphadora Tonks and Draco Malfoy. Not sure why Harry can control Kreacher when there are others who are blood relatives. The book came across as if JKR had read a LOT of fanfiction. She even uses DADA for Defence Against the Dark Arts. In an interview (or maybe her official website) she had already said that Blaise was a boy. HBP was the first canon mention of it, and the first time ever that his race was mentioned. Hermione's age (oldest of the three, not youngest) finally gets mentioned in canon. JKR has a bit of a problem with birth years.

08-09-2005, 06:57 PM	#60 (permalink)
Nakhash Upright	There were several things about HBP that irked me. The whole repeat class on poisons and antidotes. Snape gave that lesson in GoF. He intended to use Harry as the test subject for the class, but Harry got called away to the Weighing of the Wands. The brewing of a Love Potion after Rita Skeeter's article (also GoF) mentions they are "banned, of course, at Hogwarts." Not telling us WHO sent the Howler to Aunt Petunia and what did the message ‘REMEMBER MY LAST, PETUNIA’ mean (OotP). Harry didn't recognize the voice. Nak

08-10-2005, 06:47 AM	#65 (permalink)
RogueHunter65 Insane Location: Boston, MA	I thought it was interesting that JK Rowling did not explain the arguement that Dumbledor and Snape had, the one where Harry overheard the last part of it. She always explains everything that happens like that. I just think it is odd that it was not revealed what they were fighting about. I think that the subject of that arguement would be very revealing of Snapes motivations. __________________ I suffer from amnesia and deja vu at the same time... I think I have forgotten this before

08-11-2005, 03:30 PM	#66 (permalink)
Nakhash Upright	Yeah - she likes to yank our chains, Ms Jo does.

08-14-2005, 06:27 PM	#67 (permalink)
spongy Psycho	I have a problem with the Harry as Horcrux theory.. aren't you supposed to hide part of your soul in a horcrux? And didn't Voldemort try to kill Harry? Please explain how it would work, or what I'm missing. PS I know of a guy who thought that Dumbledore was a horcrux..... heh. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed. Stephen King

08-15-2005, 06:09 AM	#68 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	I don't think it makes sense at all for Harry to be a horcrux... unless Voldemort doesn't know. Plus, Harry has to destroy all the horcruxes BEFORE he destroys Voldemort... so he clearly can't destroy himself first, even if you think for a second that JKR would have a suicide in her book... if Harry's to die, it won't be like that. The only problem I have with everyone thinking that Dumbledore didn't die is JKR herself. She's said in interviews that she would never lie to children, and that if someone dies in her books, they're really dead. I think all we're going to have is Dumbledore's portrait... and I don't think anyone alive gets a portrait. There's never been any indication that they do. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.