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lindseylatch · 04-02-2005, 08:24 PM

Depp...*drools* But he's too well known. It would ruin the movie. He'd be the focus of every scene he was in.
No, I think we need some good "unknowns"

Zeraph · 04-02-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lindseylatch

Depp...*drools* But he's too well known. It would ruin the movie. He'd be the focus of every scene he was in.
No, I think we need some good "unknowns"

I agree (minus the "*drools*") look what he did to once upon a time in mexico. Though it was be interesting as hell to see him as a super hero. I think it might be worth the "risk."

I love these movies and agree with Gilda that they should be judged on their own merit. Movies are what they are, they cannot always follow the book or comic.

K-Wise · 04-03-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by copenhagen

I think Harry Connick jr. would make a good Gambit.

Yeah he could definitely pull off Gambit's accent well.

Asta!!

lordkos · 04-03-2005, 10:49 PM

AH MAN!I love Gambit and Beast.Theyre my two favs other than Pheonix.Ah man i cant wait for this to come out!!

lindseylatch · 04-04-2005, 09:29 AM

My b/f and I were thinking they should get a hot french-man to play Gambit, cause he'd be best at the accent. Much better than most American actors probably.
I don't think Connick Jr. has the right look. He looks too...British...Well, maybe. I suppose being born in New Orleans would be a plus, although New Orleans actually doesn't have many Cajuns. It's the outlying areas, like Lafayette, that have the cajun culture. The Big Easy is a little more Creole, with a lot of other stuff mixed in.

aberkok · 04-04-2005, 08:13 PM

Sorry folks, all this speculation is over. Hollywood has recently decided that all francophones are now to be played by Jean Reno.

guthmund · 05-18-2005, 11:44 AM

UPDATE!

It seems they've filled the role of Beast.

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Marvel entertainment chief Avi Arad told SCI FI Wire that Kelsey Grammer will plays Dr. Henry "Hank" McCoy/Beast in the upcoming third X-Men film and also confirmed earlier reports that Vinnie Jones has signed to play the villainous Juggernaut. Grammer, best known to audiences as TV's Frasier Crane, will play the blue-furred biochemist, whose strength and agility are matched by his genius intellect. Beast will play a prominent role in the third X-Men film, whose story is being kept under wraps.

Arad added that casting will be announced in a matter of days for two new mutant characters: the winged Angel and Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat, who can phase through solid matter. Both roles will be played by North American actors, Arad said in an interview. Variety reported that Maggie Grace (ABC's Lost) was in talks to play Kitty Pryde.

Arad said that director Matthew Vaughn and the filmmakers were seeking to avoid a British actor to play Beast when Grammer read for the part. "We've been looking around for actors that are American," he said. "We didn't want to resort to ... if someone is intelligent, [he] has to sound like a Brit. ... [Grammer] has this delivery and the voice. You close your eyes, and you hear Hank McCoy. And there is this innate intelligence, the warmth, the strength there. He read—here is this big star—and he just knocked it out of the park. And the rule in our movies is, you go with the actor. It's not about lookalikes. ... It's about someone who brings a special tone, a special feeling, to the character."

As for Jones' role, Arad said: "Juggernaut is an interesting guy. He's like, once he's in motion, he cannot be stopped, like a bullet. And he [has] an interesting affiliation: He's actually Xavier's [Professor X, played by Patrick Stewart,] half-brother. And, again, I cannot obviously get into the plot, but he's going to be [a] very interesting villain."

About the other new characters, Arad said: "Angel is a very emotional thing. We're very close. We'll have someone in the next few days. He'll have a big role in the movie. And Kitty Pryde has a big role."

Arad said the X-Men 3 is gearing up to begin shooting in Vancouver, B.C., in July, with an eye to a release on Memorial Day 2006. The film will bring back the main cast from the previous two films, including Halle Berry, James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, Arad said. "Everybody's coming back," he said, adding: "And Matthew Vaughn [Layer Cake] brings a lot of fresh air to the table. Very, very smart filmmaker. He's working on the script with the screenwriters, with Zak [Penn] and Simon [Kinberg], and all of us are very involved in it. This is, I'm telling you, ... huge. ... It's better than one and two combined. That's a big statement. ... The main concept, the theme of the movie, it's just scary, brilliant and thought-provoking."

I, for one, think this is an excellent choice. Certainly indicative of a new trend arising in Hollywood of filling roles with real actors as opposed to the "hottie" du jour.

Let's hope they do the same for the other roles to be filled.

That is all....and.....discuss!

akito · 05-18-2005, 12:05 PM

This upsets me. Angel was a character in the xmen series I really thought was bad ass. Even when he was archangel after Apocalypse ripped off his wings (I think that's how it went at least) I still liked the guy, he was awesome.

The fact that they're making Angel a woman!? Rediculous. It makes me wonder though, wasn't there sort of a female counterpart to Angel in the series and we just didn't see her enough to be notable?

aberkok · 05-18-2005, 05:19 PM

I totally buy the idea of Grammer as Beast. I can't picture it visually just yet, but I will say that the dude won't need that much extra body hair

Anyone else remember when him and Patrick Stewart worked together?

GreenHell · 05-18-2005, 05:24 PM

I think Angel has one of the worst abilities ever, except when he is ArchAngel, then he is sweet. All he could do before that though was fly...and thats it, laaaaame

akito · 05-18-2005, 06:11 PM

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I think Angel has one of the worst abilities ever, except when he is ArchAngel, then he is sweet. All he could do before that though was fly...and thats it, laaaaame

He was a ladies man though! He had class.

You say that as if he had the ability to change back and forth from angel to archangel. Am I correct in my description that angel had his wings ripped off by Apocalypse, who gave him mechanical wings, and thus he became archangel?

/shrug

aberkok · 05-18-2005, 06:17 PM

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Am I correct in my description that angel had his wings ripped off by Apocalypse, who gave him mechanical wings, and thus he became archangel?

This is correct. The far more detailed and encyclopedic version of the narrative to appear from Gilda in 3....2....1....

Moskie · 05-18-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aberkok

Anyone else remember when him and Patrick Stewart worked together?

Did you have me rack my brain for this? I couldn't think of anything and had to turn to IMDB, and that's all that showed up. I was hoping for something cool!

Grammer sounds like an awesome choice. His voice seems spot on, once you imagine it.

aberkok · 05-18-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Moskie

Did you have me rack my brain for this?

Let the brain wracking be over.

Stewart was on an episode of Frasier, and his character thought Frasier Crane had the hots for him. Frasier kept up the ruse because it was getting him into some pretty high society stuff.

Fremen · 05-19-2005, 12:05 AM

Sideshow Bob is Beast?!?!

Cool!!

sgn43 · 05-19-2005, 12:45 PM

Kelsey Grammar as Beast probably aroused a lot of this reaction: "Kelsey Grammar as Beast?! WHAT?!.....wait. Oh....Ohhhhh. That's perfect."

This casting came out of nowhere, but now that I have the notion in my mind, I can't think of anyone else who could be any more perfect for this role. He seems a little bit old to be Hank McCoy, but he certainly has the voice and the personality. I'm just curious if they introduce him immediately as the huge, blue furball, or if they show him in his human form first. I'm sure a lot of liberties will be taken, but X2 did that as well and I didn't really mind all that much. One thing's for sure, the prosthetics and CGI for that one should be fun.

I'm also really curious as to what they're planning on doing as far as Gambit/Rogue now that they've started the romance between Iceman and Rogue.

I also am curious how Vinnie will play Juggernaut. I like Vinnie Jones a lot, and I think he'll do well as Juggernaut, but I imagined the role being played by a big, American jock type, and not the badass Englishman type role that Vinnie Jones is so well-known for doing.

No matter what, I'm really excited to see if they can improve on X2, which is by far one of my favorite comic book adaptations.

guy44 · 05-19-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sgn43

Kelsey Grammar as Beast probably aroused a lot of this reaction: "Kelsey Grammar as Beast?! WHAT?!.....wait. Oh....Ohhhhh. That's perfect."

Exactly. That is exactly what I went through. But then I thought about it, and I realized that in my mind, Beast's voice, his diction, his manner of speech, his personality, is pretty much Frasier with muscles. Kelsey Grammar is friggin perfect for the role.

And for everyone complaining about Angel being a girl, read Arad's quote again:

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About the other new characters, Arad said: "Angel is a very emotional thing. We're very close. We'll have someone in the next few days. He'll have a big role in the movie. And Kitty Pryde has a big role."

So it looks like it'll be a 'he' after all. Maybe it was the fan reaction, maybe it was the plan all along. Either way, I'm excited. And I'm looking for some Shadowcat on Colossus action (wait, Pryde was a little kid in X-Men 2, and Colossus was in his late teens...thats gross...I'm confused...).

Fremen · 05-19-2005, 07:57 PM

Angel was a male all along. Arad said someone got confused and reported they changed him to a female for the movie when it was never true. (paraphrasing here)

Gilda · 05-19-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by akito

He was a ladies man though! He had class.

You say that as if he had the ability to change back and forth from angel to archangel. Am I correct in my description that angel had his wings ripped off by Apocalypse, who gave him mechanical wings, and thus he became archangel?

/shrug

Actually, Angel's wings were injured in the massacre of the Morlocks (the mutants living in New York's sewers) by the Marauders. Harpoon impaled his feathered wings, they became infected, and had to be amputated. Apocalypse used some kind of genetic mumbo jumbo to cause new wings to grow, the metallic ones that could shoot the razor sharp darts. They weren't mechanical, they were actually part of his body. He shed those wings a while back, and the feathered ones grew back. This seems to indicate that if Apocalypse hadn't messed with him, they'd have grown back that way naturally.

Kelsey Grammar is perfect for Beast, though I think his casting indicates that we'll be getting blue furry beast, and not big footed original beast, and that It'll be CGI. I can't see Grammar, in his 50's, doing anything more strenuous than standing around. The question then becomes, if this is furry blue beast, is it demon-faced beast, or lion-faced beast? Demon faced beast seems more likely, as if they were going to do lion faced, they'd have to have gone with Ron Perlman.

sgn43 · 05-20-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilda

[...]The question then becomes, if this is furry blue beast, is it demon-faced beast, or lion-faced beast? Demon faced beast seems more likely, as if they were going to do lion faced, they'd have to have gone with Ron Perlman.

Hahaha. Poor Ron Perlman. When was the last time he got to do a role where his face wasn't covered in prosthetics?

aberkok · 05-20-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilda

if they were going to do lion faced, they'd have to have gone with Ron Perlman.

My wires crossed and for a second I wondered: "Why would Gilda suggest Ron Jeremy be in an X-Men film???"

Hain · 05-20-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sgn43

Hahaha. Poor Ron Perlman. When was the last time he got to do a role where his face wasn't covered in prosthetics?

Come come now. I can think of one...ish. Alien Ressurection may be the only one that comes to mind but he still has talent outside of playing monsters.

And I agree with Gilda about Grammer: I can hear him as the voice of beast but not him in a body suit as beast. I hope X-3 just has someone else as beast, and with Grammer to add the voice. That may take more work than CG, but it would look better for the audience.

So we have Stewart, McKellan, and Grammer's voices all in the same movie... I could just listen and enjoy the movie.

guy44 · 05-20-2005, 07:17 AM

Check out this interview with Avi Arad about the new X-Men movie: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/615/615826p1.html

He mentions this about Beast:

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IGNFF: Am I to assume this is a voiceover role with a CG character, or is there talk of make-up?

ARAD: No, there will be make-up and prostheses. It will be a combination of artforms to bring it to life, but a lot of it will maintain around his face – his eyes, his mouth, and so on. It will be very much like the kind of stuff we did with The Thing…

IGNFF: As a character, the Beast underwent a redesign a few years back to look more like the Ron Perlman Beast character from the Beauty and the Beast TV show from the late 80's…

ARAD: Right…

IGNFF: That more feline kind of look. Whereas the original blue version of the Beast looks much better in the sense that it wouldn't be perceived as ripping off the design from that TV show, which the current visual iteration of the character most certainly does.

ARAD: Right. What you'll see in the movie, it will be a combination of – we'll call it the "90's Beast" – more like, if you remember, from our animated show.

IGNFF: The classic more canine look…

ARAD: But even more important, it has the supreme intelligence look. You're going to get really close to his eyes, to his face, and so on. And obviously Kelsey has this delivery of a college professor. You expect his intelligence and warmth and calming ways, and as important with Beast is the way Beast reacts to adversity and violence, and so on. Knowing how powerful he is, he can almost be forgiving of it, and in some ways make fun of it in a gentle way without trying to hurt anybody.

IGNFF: As a character, I assume he's going to be presented as always being this blue, hairy version of the Beast – or is it showing the same transformation that the comics did years ago?

ARAD: You mean as young Hank?

IGNFF: Right.

ARAD: Ummmm… Well…

IGNFF: Since obviously a reference was made to the character in X2…

ARAD: Correct. So obviously, young Hank wouldn't be Kelsey… If there is a young Hank! If, if, if there is a young Hank! But the idea is that what you're going to see is that Beast is a major, major role, and I do believe we're going to outdo 1 and 2, because we have a bigger idea – a bigger concept 0 for this movie.

crossova · 05-20-2005, 07:22 AM

Just read in a paper that Kelsey Grammer (Frasier) will play Beast.

As for Angel being a woman...i dont agree but i think they are doing that b/c they see angel as being more of a softer character and they'd like to portray an angel as a female.

crossova · 05-20-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sgn43

Hahaha. Poor Ron Perlman. When was the last time he got to do a role where his face wasn't covered in prosthetics?

Blade 2 would be that movie.

SecretMethod70 · 05-20-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by aberkok

Let the brain wracking be over.

Stewart was on an episode of Frasier, and his character thought Frasier Crane had the hots for him. Frasier kept up the ruse because it was getting him into some pretty high society stuff.

Kelsey Grammer was also on an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation

04-02-2005, 08:24 PM	#41 (permalink)
lindseylatch Addict Location: Seattle, WA	Depp...drools But he's too well known. It would ruin the movie. He'd be the focus of every scene he was in. No, I think we need some good "unknowns" __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." -Voltaire

04-04-2005, 09:29 AM	#45 (permalink)
lindseylatch Addict Location: Seattle, WA	My b/f and I were thinking they should get a hot french-man to play Gambit, cause he'd be best at the accent. Much better than most American actors probably. I don't think Connick Jr. has the right look. He looks too...British...Well, maybe. I suppose being born in New Orleans would be a plus, although New Orleans actually doesn't have many Cajuns. It's the outlying areas, like Lafayette, that have the cajun culture. The Big Easy is a little more Creole, with a lot of other stuff mixed in. __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." -Voltaire

04-04-2005, 08:13 PM	#46 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Sorry folks, all this speculation is over. Hollywood has recently decided that all francophones are now to be played by Jean Reno. __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-18-2005, 05:19 PM	#49 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	I totally buy the idea of Grammer as Beast. I can't picture it visually just yet, but I will say that the dude won't need that much extra body hair Anyone else remember when him and Patrick Stewart worked together? __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-19-2005, 12:05 AM	#55 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Sideshow Bob is Beast?!?! Cool!! __________________ Google

04-03-2005, 10:49 PM	#44 (permalink)
lordkos Upright	AH MAN!I love Gambit and Beast.Theyre my two favs other than Pheonix.Ah man i cant wait for this to come out!!

05-18-2005, 12:05 PM	#48 (permalink)
akito Insane Location: Colorado	This upsets me. Angel was a character in the xmen series I really thought was bad ass. Even when he was archangel after Apocalypse ripped off his wings (I think that's how it went at least) I still liked the guy, he was awesome. The fact that they're making Angel a woman!? Rediculous. It makes me wonder though, wasn't there sort of a female counterpart to Angel in the series and we just didn't see her enough to be notable?

05-18-2005, 05:24 PM	#50 (permalink)
GreenHell Banned	I think Angel has one of the worst abilities ever, except when he is ArchAngel, then he is sweet. All he could do before that though was fly...and thats it, laaaaame

05-19-2005, 12:45 PM	#56 (permalink)
sgn43 Insane Location: Los Angeles	Kelsey Grammar as Beast probably aroused a lot of this reaction: "Kelsey Grammar as Beast?! WHAT?!.....wait. Oh....Ohhhhh. That's perfect." This casting came out of nowhere, but now that I have the notion in my mind, I can't think of anyone else who could be any more perfect for this role. He seems a little bit old to be Hank McCoy, but he certainly has the voice and the personality. I'm just curious if they introduce him immediately as the huge, blue furball, or if they show him in his human form first. I'm sure a lot of liberties will be taken, but X2 did that as well and I didn't really mind all that much. One thing's for sure, the prosthetics and CGI for that one should be fun. I'm also really curious as to what they're planning on doing as far as Gambit/Rogue now that they've started the romance between Iceman and Rogue. I also am curious how Vinnie will play Juggernaut. I like Vinnie Jones a lot, and I think he'll do well as Juggernaut, but I imagined the role being played by a big, American jock type, and not the badass Englishman type role that Vinnie Jones is so well-known for doing. No matter what, I'm really excited to see if they can improve on X2, which is by far one of my favorite comic book adaptations. __________________ To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson

05-19-2005, 07:57 PM	#58 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Angel was a male all along. Arad said someone got confused and reported they changed him to a female for the movie when it was never true. (paraphrasing here) __________________ Google

05-20-2005, 07:22 AM	#64 (permalink)
crossova Psycho Location: new york	Just read in a paper that Kelsey Grammer (Frasier) will play Beast. As for Angel being a woman...i dont agree but i think they are doing that b/c they see angel as being more of a softer character and they'd like to portray an angel as a female.