WWE - Sports Entertainment - Page 15 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

brandon11983 · 12-08-2003, 10:31 PM

IF YOU SAMMMMEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rocky!! Rocky!! Rocky!! Woo hoo!! The Rock is back!! For how long remains to be seen. It was good to see Big Poppa Test come out without poor Stacy. I'd say it was one of the best Raw's in recent memory. I went through the roof when Trish decked Jericho, and then proceeded to assualt him with a bouquet. I was really hoping they weren't going to have her fall for his line of BS. The Kane/Goldberg match was ok. Had predictable results with previews for all the major matches on the last Raw before whatever PPV is coming up.

A good show overall.

rockzilla · 12-09-2003, 07:33 AM

I really enjoyed RAW too. I'm only a little surprised that Jericho/Christian vs. Trish/Lita was added to the PPV. Although I'd rather see Jericho in a real match. And I guess this ruins the Christian/V1 feud.
RVD/Batista was pretty sloppy. I remember reading that RVD's contract was expiring soon, I guess he resigned? He didn't seem too into the match.
I always enjoy seeing The Rock, and to have him reform the Rock n' Sock connection for a night was awesome. Rock and Foley have/had great chemistry.

Prophecy · 12-09-2003, 12:23 PM

the RVD/Bastista match was sloppy and a few of the bumps looked painful. But the 6 man tag with with Test and Rosey looked the worst, I thought Rosey dropped Test on his neck, I'd love to see a replay of that to see what really happened. Same goes for when RVD did that roll over Bastisa's back and fell off.

Lastly, I know I said Y2J wasn't going to turn face, but after the looks of he gave on RAW when the male vs female tag match was made, I get the impression he turns on Christian at the ppv and goes face. Maybe Christian tries to give Trish the Un-prettier and Y2J goes beserk?

Daval · 12-10-2003, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brandon11983

EDIT: I found some stuff online that would give me an inkling that Sable is going to (or already has) pose/d for Playboy again. Anyone else excited about that??!! I sure am!

Can you post your source for this?

brandon11983 · 12-10-2003, 10:08 AM

From RajahWWF.com:

Quote:

Chris Chisum with the Voice of Wrestling recently caught up with Smackdown’s
blonde bombshell, Sable, to discuss her return to the WWE, her divorce status with
husband Marc Mero, women and their role in wrestling, plus much more. With Sable
willing to answer a few hardball questions, this interview gets a little
controversial and is definitely worth checking out. It can be heard in its
entirety at www.voiceofwrestling.com.

Third time isn’t the charm anymore in Sable’s opinion because in her case, the
second time has been the charm upon her return to work for Vince McMahon. There was
a lot of talk about her somewhat "hypocritical" return to the WWE, but she claims
that this was the best thing for her. "It’s a whole different company," she
says, "I’ve always enjoyed working with Vince, but this time it’s just
wonderful".

Taking four years off from the business, Sable stayed busy in the Entertainment
Industry, but she missed performing in front of a live audience. Contrary to most,
Sable also likes being on the road and traveling. There’s nothing that compares
to the gratification you receive after doing a job well done in front of a live
crowd. "That’s the aspect of the business that I missed the most".

Everyone in the wrestling business, including most fans, are very aware of the
lawsuit she filed years ago against the WWE, but Sable feels the media have
misconstrued some of the things that may or may have not been said. "You know what,
the media kind of takes a lot of things that may have been said once or they take
things out of context, so it’s not necessarily that those were actually the things
that the lawsuit was filed for," she claims, "but that’s four years ago, it’s
over and done with, we’ve moved on to the future. I’m back and couldn’t be
happier".

Chris asks about her comfort level and whether it has changed much since returning
to the WWE. She reiterates how the business has changed since she was there last
and now she’s working with a different group of people. The "close-knit, almost
extended family" she claims it is like may be the reason she does feel a little more
comfortable. "I think myself as a person has grown tremendously over the last four
years. I think I have a better understanding of who I am and what my actual job is
on the show. So yeah, I think I am a lot more comfortable this time around".

Sable has different goals this go around as she has already been the Women’s
Champion. Because she’s not on Raw, she really has no interest in going there to
work with the women’s division and she also has no desire to wrestle men (at least
not "professionally" she proclaims). "Right now, I have different goals in mind
and I’m looking on those goals," she says, "right now, I’m enjoying very much
what I do".

"My personal life is great," Sable announces, but Chris brings up her situation with
Marc Mero asking if he was in support of her return to the WWE. "Yes, my husband
and I are divorcing. I can’t say nothing but good things about him, he’s a
wonderful man . Unfortunately, it just didn’t work out". On whether the hectic
schedule had anything to do with it and how hard it is to be able to spend time with
family, Sable says it’s much better this time around.

Chris and Sable continue with the interview, bringing up Playboy (Sable tells Chris
to keep his eyes open), future plans, and she also tells Chris he needs a
girlfriend! You can head over to the Voice of Wrestling website to listen to this
interview, plus others with wrestling greats such as Rob Van Dam, Ric Flair, Chris
Jericho, Kurt Angle, Bradshaw, Sid Vicious, Joanie Laurer, Harley Race, Gillberg,
and many more!

rockzilla · 12-13-2003, 06:15 PM

Since I'm probably going to watch Armageddon tomorrow night, I figured I'd throw up a few predictions, so, here goes nothing...

Trish/Lita vs. Jericho/Christian

It's a safe bet that Matt Hardy will involve himself in this match. I'm guessing Trish and Lita get the DQ win when Hardy runs in, but Jericho turns face when he defends Trish.

Booker T vs. Mark Henry

For some reason, Vince has a HUGE hard-on for Mark Henry. Unfortunately, he'll win the match, since the WWE has to justify the massive paycheques they give him.

HBK vs. Batista

Well.... Michaels has already jobbed to Randy Orton, who seems to be headed for Heavyweight gold by the end of next year. I don't see the same future for Batista though. There's no good reason for Batista to win this match, so I'm picking the Showstopper.

RVD vs. Randy Orton for the Intercontinental Title
Special Guest Referee : Mick Foley

Mick Foley is going to screw Randy Orton out of the title. Orton is going to win the IC belt soon, but it won't be at Armageddon.

Tag Team Turmoil : Dudleyz (champs) vs, Jindrak & Cade, Shit Hurricane, Storm & Venis, Test & Steiner, La Resistance

Although there's a lot of talent in this match, I have a feeling that this is going to be an unwatchable clusterfuck that will end with Jindrak and Cade winning the belts. Hopefully they get themselves a gimmick of some sorts really soon.

World Championship : Goldberg (c) vs. HHH vs. Kane

There are good arguments for picking any of these three to win : Kane has a relatively new gimmick, and has been pushed as an unstoppable monster recently (by beating up Shane-O-Mac?), Goldberg is also an unstoppable monster, and is the only non-clique member to hold the belt since it's return. (HHH and Shawn Michaels are the only people who have held the RAW belt), and Triple H, well, he's fucking the boss' daughter. My guess is that this match is a triple threat so that both Goldberg and HHH can lose without looking weaker than the other. My pick is Kane.

I don't think this is going to be a good PPV at all. There are only 6 matches, and I'd be surprised if anything but the Tag Team Turmoil match and the World title match go any longer than 7 minutes. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of useless Bischoff/Foley sketches.

Prophecy · 12-13-2003, 07:17 PM

Nice picks I'll agree with everyone of your picks but The World Heavyweight Belt. And to the tell the truth the only reason I disagree is b/c I don't think Kane can carry the belt well, at least not in his current state. I pick HHH to come out on top.

Oh and for the Tag Team match, I seriously hope Jindrak & Cade don't win the titles, but if the Dudley's lose the titles like I think they will. Well I can see Jindrak & Cade coming out on top through some crazy ass twist.

Prophecy · 12-14-2003, 08:49 PM

Quick results on who won and how.
----------------------------------

Singles match, 1 fall
Booker T vs. Mark Henry

Booker hits a scissors kick pinned Mark Henry for the win.
Winner - Booker T

Intercontinental Championship Match
Randy Orton vs. Rob Van Dam

Orton is laid on the mat as RVD goes for his finisher. Flair interrupts RVD right before he starts the Five Star Frog Splash, in the confusion Orton knocks RVD of the top rope and hits a RKO.
Winner: Randy Orton

Battle of the Sexes
Chris Jericho and Christian vs. Trish Stratus and Lita

Jericho picked up Trish to seemingly check on her but Christian rolled her up from behind.
Winners - Christian and Chris Jericho

Singles match, 1 fall
Shawn Michaels vs. Batista

Sweet Chin Music

Need I say more?
Winner - Shawn Michaels

Singles match, 1 fall
Matt Hardy vs. Maven

Basicly, Maven get’s jumped out side of the ring. The says Maven is beaten up so bad that the match doesn’t give get to start.
Winner - No contest

Tag Team Championship Match-Tag Team Turmoil Match
La Resistance vs. the Hurricane & Rosey vs. Scott Steiner & Test vs. Lance Storm & Val Venis vs. Jindrak and Cade vs. The Dudley Boyz

Okay, here we go. Starts with Hurricane and Rosey vs. La Resistance. Hurricane gave Rob Conway a big splash off of Rosey's shoulders to pin him for the three count. Next, Jindrak and Cade hit the ring. Jindrak rolled the Hurricane up for the three count to get the win. Lance Storm and Val Venis are next. Val went for a suplex but Jindrak reversed it and Cade grabbed the feet of Mark Jindrak to help hold Val Venis down on the mat for a three count. Now it’s Dudley time. The Dudley Boyz planted Mark Jindrak with the 3D and then Bubba Ray pinned him for the three count to get the win. Scott Steiner and Test run in. Bubba Ray Dudley gave Test the Bubba Bomb and then D-Von Dudley rolled over and pinned him for the three count to retain the Tag Team Titles.

Now for the fucked up part. As the music of the Dudley Boyz played in the ring, Eric Bischoff's music cuts it off and Bischoff makes his way out to the ring. He grabbed the mic and said that in order to win Tag Team Turmoil, you have to go through all the teams and there is one team who has yet to compete. At this point we greeted to a new challenging Tag Team. Batista and Ric Flair.

In the end Batista gave D-Von the sit out power bomb as Ric Flair had Bubba Ray Dudley in the figure four leg lock. Batista pinned D-Von for the three count.
Winners: Batista and Ric Flair (WTF?)

Women's Championship Match
Ivory vs. Molly Holly

Molly hooked Ivory’s tights for a win.
Winner: Molly Holly

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Kane vs. Triple H vs. Goldberg

Goldberg spears HHH & Kane. Flair and Orton come to interfere. Goldberg then gets another spear on HHH. But, Kane breaks up the pin. Kane then chokeslams Goldberg. Batista takes Kane to the outside, and then HHH gets the pin.
Winner: HHH

----------------------

Maybe now Molly Holly will join Evolution, that way Evolution will hold all the gold on RAW....

rockzilla · 12-14-2003, 10:14 PM

Edit : posted results at the same time as Prophecy, nevermind.

Armageddon was pretty awful. Aside from the Randy Orton / RVD match, which was a nice surprise, there was nothing of note. Not to mention that Evolution has all the gold, I don't wanna guess for how long.

DownwardSpiral · 12-15-2003, 01:26 PM

I'm pretty annoyed by the fact that 1) Triple H got the title back already and 2) Evolution has monopolized the major RAW titles. It's ridiculous and I hope that bullshit don't last long.

brandon11983 · 12-15-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownwardSpiral
I'm pretty annoyed by the fact that 1) Triple H got the title back already and 2) Evolution has monopolized the major RAW titles. It's ridiculous and I hope that bullshit don't last long.

Me too, but as it has been stated before... what do you expect when their leader is nailing the boss's daughter?

Prophecy · 12-15-2003, 04:59 PM

What gets me is this, I could understand HHH winning back his title, same for Orton. But the Tag Team Titles was a shot in the dark. I mean, Bastisa and Flair weren't even shown as a true tag team ever on RAW.

gnort · 12-16-2003, 07:43 AM

Anyone see RAW last night....WTF is going on. I'm losing faith in the WWE once again.

Daval · 12-16-2003, 10:12 AM

The whole Foley segment was a little wierd. I wonder where they are going with it? I sure hope they don't fuck it up.

I'm looking forward to Jericho's full face turn, I think they may finally give him a push to the top (wishful thinking?)

rockzilla · 12-16-2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prophecy
Maybe now Molly Holly will join Evolution, that way Evolution will hold all the gold on RAW....

This got me thinking, if you'll permit me a little fantasy booking...
Molly joins Evolution for some reason or another, maybe she has a thing for Randy Orton or something. Molly defends the title against Trish, but the match ends with interference from Orton. Jericho runs out for the save, finally turns face, gets Trish back, and is in a feud with Orton which could (but probably won't) progress to a program against HHH.

Jericho could easily be the biggest face on Raw, the crowd was behind him when he turned on Christian. As long as he's a heel he'll be kept in the midcard.

Prophecy · 12-16-2003, 04:35 PM

Not a bad plot line, to bad the WWE doesn't have writers who could think of something like that. Y2J is going to go face, but against Christian especially after that mini-shoving match on RAW. I still think Molly joining Evolution could have some promise, it all depends on how things work out.

However if things worked out the way mentioned rockzilla I think a Fatal Four Way match with Y2J, Christian, RVD and Orton for the IC title would great.

Daval · 12-17-2003, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rockzilla
This got me thinking, if you'll permit me a little fantasy booking...
Molly joins Evolution for some reason or another, maybe she has a thing for Randy Orton or something. Molly defends the title against Trish, but the match ends with interference from Orton. Jericho runs out for the save, finally turns face, gets Trish back, and is in a feud with Orton which could (but probably won't) progress to a program against HHH.

Jericho could easily be the biggest face on Raw, the crowd was behind him when he turned on Christian. As long as he's a heel he'll be kept in the midcard.

Now thats a great storyline possibility. You should apply to the WWE as a writer

rockzilla · 12-17-2003, 06:06 PM

Nah, I'd probably get fired for booking Mark Henry and Goldberg to set up the ring while Chris Jericho and Booker T fought for the title. I'd have a bunch of Necrophilia-style angles for HHH to be subjected to though. Every feud would reveal a disturbing new side of his personality.

Prophecy · 12-17-2003, 06:51 PM

Does anyone else think Rico is just a revamped Goldust persona? Sure Rico does some stuff different from Goldust the but whole gay but not gay thing was started by Goldust and should remain his.

Besides, Goldlust was a much better theme than Rico's You Look So Good to Me Remix

rockzilla · 12-19-2003, 06:30 PM

Goldust did the gay thing better than Rico, but with Dustin Runnels no longer being employed by the WWE, someone's gotta take the job. I still remember Goldust feeling up Razor Ramon and being over as a huge heel. Someone's gotta play off of the crowd's homophobia.

A couple of thoughts on Smackdown...

Although I won't be watching the 'Christmas in Iraq' Smackdown special (i'll set my VCR for it though), who here thinks John Cena'll win the US title next week? It makes perfect sense, he gets the biggest crowd reaction (even bigger that Eddie G), and I don't think The Big Slow has even defended the belt since he won it from Eddie.
The only other segment on SD that I really noticed was the bit with The Cat, Sable, and Vince. I really hope this turns into a Cat vs. Mcmahon match at the Rumble (I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not... somebody call my mama)

DownwardSpiral · 12-19-2003, 11:45 PM

WWE has no idea what they're doing on RAW. It's getting [retty stupid over there I think. SmackDown has a few problems too, I.E Vince handing Lesnar everything yaya etc. WWE seriously needs to get better writers, but thats just an opinion.

brandon11983 · 12-20-2003, 01:53 PM

Forgive me, but who in the Blue Hell is this Cat character? I've watched a little of his segments over the past 2 weeks and I have not been taken in. It just seems like filler to me. I do agree that the WWE could use some new writers, and they can use their energies to produce interesting storylines that don't include disco dancing cats.

Ganguro · 12-20-2003, 06:05 PM

Ernest "the Cat" Miller, former WCW superstar, and all around good guy.

holtmate · 12-20-2003, 08:16 PM

DownwardSpiral...I couldn't agree with you more on the RAW writing. I was not suprised with the outcome of the Foley/Orton match, but I was still disappointed, and that after Armageddon, the sloppiest PPV I've seen, period.
I am still very much looking forward to the Rumble, I just hope that they book some good undercard matches.

ChrisJericho · 12-22-2003, 01:09 AM

Whooooa how did I ever miss THIS thread?

Hehe unfortunately with my new job I haven't been able to watch WWE for about 3 weeks, but it's nice to know there's some fellow wrestling fans here at the TFP !

Prophecy · 12-22-2003, 06:56 PM

After watching part of tonight's RAW, tonight featured the greatest matches of the year 2003, I just have to say I never realized how much the crowd hated Goldberg in the "Goldberg vs. The Rock" match at Backlash.

I saw booing, and people yelling BS when he kicked out of the Rock Bottom and The People's Elbow. I never heard one chant in favor of Goldberg but I did hear "Goldberg Sucks" a few times and several "Rocky! Rocky!" chants. WCW Superstar face or not Goldberg sure as hell didn't get much love in that match.

On a side note does anyone know if the rumor's of Goldberg not having his contract renewed have any merit or not?

DownwardSpiral · 12-23-2003, 12:25 AM

I haven't heard anything about Goldberg's contract, butif I do I'll be sure to post it. Wouldn't surprise me if they did let him go though. Can't really work him into anything, and he wasn't nearly as big an impact wrestler as WWE expected him to be. He gets heat from the crowds quite a bit from what I've noticed. So if they let him go I woulden't be too shocked by it.

brandon11983 · 12-23-2003, 11:43 AM

I think Goldberg and HBK are the only two wrestlers on the RAW roster I even care about. It would majorly suck if Goldberg got canned.

DownwardSpiral · 12-26-2003, 02:36 PM

What did you guys think of the SmackDown from Iraq?

psicon · 12-26-2003, 08:07 PM

The Rico character is a take off of " Adorable" Adrian Adonis's gimmick from the 80's, or maybe Adrian Street also from the 80's

JohnnyRock · 12-27-2003, 06:24 AM

I

Quote:

Originally posted by DownwardSpiral
What did you guys think of the SmackDown from Iraq?

The matches were ok, but it was great to see the troops so into it. those men and women deserve any fun they can get!!!!

Prophecy · 12-27-2003, 10:14 PM

Well my question about Goldberg leaving was based on an article I read at this link.

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/he...74558977.shtml

brandon11983 · 12-28-2003, 09:25 AM

Uh oh. I hope they can work everything out. I don't care about selling to heels, who deserves what title, or any of that shit. Goldberg is the only wrestler on RAW that brings any intensity or excitement to the show. Him and HBK are pretty much the only reasons I watch the show anymore.

DownwardSpiral · 12-30-2003, 10:18 PM

I loved the Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels match on RAW. It was one of the better matches I've seen for a while. I hope that if their rematch takes place it's just as good. And did anyone else notice that it looked like Scott Steiner initially missed that low blow on Rob Vam Dam?

ChrisJericho · 12-31-2003, 04:15 PM

For some reason I knew that the HHH/Michaels match wasn't going to end cleanly.

JohnnyRock · 01-01-2004, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisJericho
For some reason I knew that the HHH/Michaels match wasn't going to end cleanly.

do any of the Big Time Main Events ever end cleanly on free TV anymore?

brandon11983 · 01-01-2004, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisJericho
For some reason I knew that the HHH/Michaels match wasn't going to end cleanly.

I actually fell for it right after the pin was made, but figured that there'd be a catch right after Bischoff opened his mouth.

Young Nasty Man · 01-01-2004, 09:35 PM

So, anyone going to the Rumble?

I was lucky enough to get 4 pretty good tickets. It would just be a nightmare to see G'berg win it.

brandon11983 · 01-03-2004, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Young Nasty Man
So, anyone going to the Rumble?

I was lucky enough to get 4 pretty good tickets. It would just be a nightmare to see G'berg win it.

Oh fuck off... that'd be awesome. I think I'm the only Goldberg fan in the known universe!!

Prophecy · 01-04-2004, 02:02 PM

Goldberg is fun for me to watch on and off. I just can't stand to see him on a continuous basis. The man has no mic skills and seeing him in 12 matches that follow the same story board of moves is silly.

1) Goldberg body slams the guy
2) Goldberg waits for the guy to get up to spear him.
3) From the spear we see the Jackhammer and match over.

*Yawn*

It's true most WWE matches end that way, but in most cases especially in the WCW that was Goldberg's whole match. Also, I don't care if Goldberg's gimmick is being a beast or not, I hate the fact that he's been allowed to kick out of most superstar's finishers not once in a match but twice. (HHH, Kane, The Rock, etc.)

12-08-2003, 10:31 PM	#561 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	IF YOU SAMMMMEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rocky!! Rocky!! Rocky!! Woo hoo!! The Rock is back!! For how long remains to be seen. It was good to see Big Poppa Test come out without poor Stacy. I'd say it was one of the best Raw's in recent memory. I went through the roof when Trish decked Jericho, and then proceeded to assualt him with a bouquet. I was really hoping they weren't going to have her fall for his line of BS. The Kane/Goldberg match was ok. Had predictable results with previews for all the major matches on the last Raw before whatever PPV is coming up. A good show overall. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

12-09-2003, 12:23 PM	#563 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	the RVD/Bastista match was sloppy and a few of the bumps looked painful. But the 6 man tag with with Test and Rosey looked the worst, I thought Rosey dropped Test on his neck, I'd love to see a replay of that to see what really happened. Same goes for when RVD did that roll over Bastisa's back and fell off. Lastly, I know I said Y2J wasn't going to turn face, but after the looks of he gave on RAW when the male vs female tag match was made, I get the impression he turns on Christian at the ppv and goes face. Maybe Christian tries to give Trish the Un-prettier and Y2J goes beserk? __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

12-13-2003, 07:17 PM	#567 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Nice picks I'll agree with everyone of your picks but The World Heavyweight Belt. And to the tell the truth the only reason I disagree is b/c I don't think Kane can carry the belt well, at least not in his current state. I pick HHH to come out on top. Oh and for the Tag Team match, I seriously hope Jindrak & Cade don't win the titles, but if the Dudley's lose the titles like I think they will. Well I can see Jindrak & Cade coming out on top through some crazy ass twist. __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense. Last edited by Prophecy; 12-13-2003 at 07:22 PM..

12-14-2003, 08:49 PM	#568 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	WWE Armageddon Quick results on who won and how. ---------------------------------- Singles match, 1 fall Booker T vs. Mark Henry Booker hits a scissors kick pinned Mark Henry for the win. Winner - Booker T Intercontinental Championship Match Randy Orton vs. Rob Van Dam Orton is laid on the mat as RVD goes for his finisher. Flair interrupts RVD right before he starts the Five Star Frog Splash, in the confusion Orton knocks RVD of the top rope and hits a RKO. Winner: Randy Orton Battle of the Sexes Chris Jericho and Christian vs. Trish Stratus and Lita Jericho picked up Trish to seemingly check on her but Christian rolled her up from behind. Winners - Christian and Chris Jericho Singles match, 1 fall Shawn Michaels vs. Batista Sweet Chin Music Need I say more? Winner - Shawn Michaels Singles match, 1 fall Matt Hardy vs. Maven Basicly, Maven get’s jumped out side of the ring. The says Maven is beaten up so bad that the match doesn’t give get to start. Winner - No contest Tag Team Championship Match-Tag Team Turmoil Match La Resistance vs. the Hurricane & Rosey vs. Scott Steiner & Test vs. Lance Storm & Val Venis vs. Jindrak and Cade vs. The Dudley Boyz Okay, here we go. Starts with Hurricane and Rosey vs. La Resistance. Hurricane gave Rob Conway a big splash off of Rosey's shoulders to pin him for the three count. Next, Jindrak and Cade hit the ring. Jindrak rolled the Hurricane up for the three count to get the win. Lance Storm and Val Venis are next. Val went for a suplex but Jindrak reversed it and Cade grabbed the feet of Mark Jindrak to help hold Val Venis down on the mat for a three count. Now it’s Dudley time. The Dudley Boyz planted Mark Jindrak with the 3D and then Bubba Ray pinned him for the three count to get the win. Scott Steiner and Test run in. Bubba Ray Dudley gave Test the Bubba Bomb and then D-Von Dudley rolled over and pinned him for the three count to retain the Tag Team Titles. Now for the fucked up part. As the music of the Dudley Boyz played in the ring, Eric Bischoff's music cuts it off and Bischoff makes his way out to the ring. He grabbed the mic and said that in order to win Tag Team Turmoil, you have to go through all the teams and there is one team who has yet to compete. At this point we greeted to a new challenging Tag Team. Batista and Ric Flair. In the end Batista gave D-Von the sit out power bomb as Ric Flair had Bubba Ray Dudley in the figure four leg lock. Batista pinned D-Von for the three count. Winners: Batista and Ric Flair (WTF?) Women's Championship Match Ivory vs. Molly Holly Molly hooked Ivory’s tights for a win. Winner: Molly Holly World Heavyweight Championship Match Kane vs. Triple H vs. Goldberg Goldberg spears HHH & Kane. Flair and Orton come to interfere. Goldberg then gets another spear on HHH. But, Kane breaks up the pin. Kane then chokeslams Goldberg. Batista takes Kane to the outside, and then HHH gets the pin. Winner: HHH ---------------------- Maybe now Molly Holly will join Evolution, that way Evolution will hold all the gold on RAW.... __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense. Last edited by Prophecy; 12-14-2003 at 09:51 PM..

12-14-2003, 10:14 PM	#569 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	Edit : posted results at the same time as Prophecy, nevermind. Armageddon was pretty awful. Aside from the Randy Orton / RVD match, which was a nice surprise, there was nothing of note. Not to mention that Evolution has all the gold, I don't wanna guess for how long. Last edited by rockzilla; 12-14-2003 at 10:18 PM..

12-09-2003, 07:33 AM	#562 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	I really enjoyed RAW too. I'm only a little surprised that Jericho/Christian vs. Trish/Lita was added to the PPV. Although I'd rather see Jericho in a real match. And I guess this ruins the Christian/V1 feud. RVD/Batista was pretty sloppy. I remember reading that RVD's contract was expiring soon, I guess he resigned? He didn't seem too into the match. I always enjoy seeing The Rock, and to have him reform the Rock n' Sock connection for a night was awesome. Rock and Foley have/had great chemistry.

12-13-2003, 06:15 PM	#566 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	Since I'm probably going to watch Armageddon tomorrow night, I figured I'd throw up a few predictions, so, here goes nothing... Trish/Lita vs. Jericho/Christian It's a safe bet that Matt Hardy will involve himself in this match. I'm guessing Trish and Lita get the DQ win when Hardy runs in, but Jericho turns face when he defends Trish. Booker T vs. Mark Henry For some reason, Vince has a HUGE hard-on for Mark Henry. Unfortunately, he'll win the match, since the WWE has to justify the massive paycheques they give him. HBK vs. Batista Well.... Michaels has already jobbed to Randy Orton, who seems to be headed for Heavyweight gold by the end of next year. I don't see the same future for Batista though. There's no good reason for Batista to win this match, so I'm picking the Showstopper. RVD vs. Randy Orton for the Intercontinental Title Special Guest Referee : Mick Foley Mick Foley is going to screw Randy Orton out of the title. Orton is going to win the IC belt soon, but it won't be at Armageddon. Tag Team Turmoil : Dudleyz (champs) vs, Jindrak & Cade, Shit Hurricane, Storm & Venis, Test & Steiner, La Resistance Although there's a lot of talent in this match, I have a feeling that this is going to be an unwatchable clusterfuck that will end with Jindrak and Cade winning the belts. Hopefully they get themselves a gimmick of some sorts really soon. World Championship : Goldberg (c) vs. HHH vs. Kane There are good arguments for picking any of these three to win : Kane has a relatively new gimmick, and has been pushed as an unstoppable monster recently (by beating up Shane-O-Mac?), Goldberg is also an unstoppable monster, and is the only non-clique member to hold the belt since it's return. (HHH and Shawn Michaels are the only people who have held the RAW belt), and Triple H, well, he's fucking the boss' daughter. My guess is that this match is a triple threat so that both Goldberg and HHH can lose without looking weaker than the other. My pick is Kane. I don't think this is going to be a good PPV at all. There are only 6 matches, and I'd be surprised if anything but the Tag Team Turmoil match and the World title match go any longer than 7 minutes. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of useless Bischoff/Foley sketches.

12-15-2003, 01:26 PM	#570 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	I'm pretty annoyed by the fact that 1) Triple H got the title back already and 2) Evolution has monopolized the major RAW titles. It's ridiculous and I hope that bullshit don't last long. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

12-15-2003, 04:59 PM	#572 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	What gets me is this, I could understand HHH winning back his title, same for Orton. But the Tag Team Titles was a shot in the dark. I mean, Bastisa and Flair weren't even shown as a true tag team ever on RAW. __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

12-16-2003, 07:43 AM	#573 (permalink)
gnort Psycho Location: MA	Anyone see RAW last night....WTF is going on. I'm losing faith in the WWE once again. __________________ You had me at Qapla'

12-16-2003, 10:12 AM	#574 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	The whole Foley segment was a little wierd. I wonder where they are going with it? I sure hope they don't fuck it up. I'm looking forward to Jericho's full face turn, I think they may finally give him a push to the top (wishful thinking?) __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

12-16-2003, 04:35 PM	#576 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Not a bad plot line, to bad the WWE doesn't have writers who could think of something like that. Y2J is going to go face, but against Christian especially after that mini-shoving match on RAW. I still think Molly joining Evolution could have some promise, it all depends on how things work out. However if things worked out the way mentioned rockzilla I think a Fatal Four Way match with Y2J, Christian, RVD and Orton for the IC title would great. __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

12-17-2003, 06:06 PM	#578 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	Nah, I'd probably get fired for booking Mark Henry and Goldberg to set up the ring while Chris Jericho and Booker T fought for the title. I'd have a bunch of Necrophilia-style angles for HHH to be subjected to though. Every feud would reveal a disturbing new side of his personality.

12-17-2003, 06:51 PM	#579 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Does anyone else think Rico is just a revamped Goldust persona? Sure Rico does some stuff different from Goldust the but whole gay but not gay thing was started by Goldust and should remain his. Besides, Goldlust was a much better theme than Rico's You Look So Good to Me Remix __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

12-19-2003, 06:30 PM	#580 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	Goldust did the gay thing better than Rico, but with Dustin Runnels no longer being employed by the WWE, someone's gotta take the job. I still remember Goldust feeling up Razor Ramon and being over as a huge heel. Someone's gotta play off of the crowd's homophobia. A couple of thoughts on Smackdown... Although I won't be watching the 'Christmas in Iraq' Smackdown special (i'll set my VCR for it though), who here thinks John Cena'll win the US title next week? It makes perfect sense, he gets the biggest crowd reaction (even bigger that Eddie G), and I don't think The Big Slow has even defended the belt since he won it from Eddie. The only other segment on SD that I really noticed was the bit with The Cat, Sable, and Vince. I really hope this turns into a Cat vs. Mcmahon match at the Rumble (I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not... somebody call my mama)

12-19-2003, 11:45 PM	#581 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	WWE has no idea what they're doing on RAW. It's getting [retty stupid over there I think. SmackDown has a few problems too, I.E Vince handing Lesnar everything yaya etc. WWE seriously needs to get better writers, but thats just an opinion. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

12-20-2003, 01:53 PM	#582 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	Forgive me, but who in the Blue Hell is this Cat character? I've watched a little of his segments over the past 2 weeks and I have not been taken in. It just seems like filler to me. I do agree that the WWE could use some new writers, and they can use their energies to produce interesting storylines that don't include disco dancing cats. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

12-20-2003, 06:05 PM	#583 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	Ernest "the Cat" Miller, former WCW superstar, and all around good guy.

12-20-2003, 08:16 PM	#584 (permalink)
holtmate Flailing White Boy Location: Cincinnati	DownwardSpiral...I couldn't agree with you more on the RAW writing. I was not suprised with the outcome of the Foley/Orton match, but I was still disappointed, and that after Armageddon, the sloppiest PPV I've seen, period. I am still very much looking forward to the Rumble, I just hope that they book some good undercard matches. __________________ "Give her your coat" "Why me?" "Because you're perfect." "You have a point there."

12-22-2003, 01:09 AM	#585 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Whooooa how did I ever miss THIS thread? Hehe unfortunately with my new job I haven't been able to watch WWE for about 3 weeks, but it's nice to know there's some fellow wrestling fans here at the TFP ! __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

12-22-2003, 06:56 PM	#586 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	After watching part of tonight's RAW, tonight featured the greatest matches of the year 2003, I just have to say I never realized how much the crowd hated Goldberg in the "Goldberg vs. The Rock" match at Backlash. I saw booing, and people yelling BS when he kicked out of the Rock Bottom and The People's Elbow. I never heard one chant in favor of Goldberg but I did hear "Goldberg Sucks" a few times and several "Rocky! Rocky!" chants. WCW Superstar face or not Goldberg sure as hell didn't get much love in that match. On a side note does anyone know if the rumor's of Goldberg not having his contract renewed have any merit or not? __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense. Last edited by Prophecy; 12-25-2003 at 12:24 PM..

12-23-2003, 12:25 AM	#587 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	I haven't heard anything about Goldberg's contract, butif I do I'll be sure to post it. Wouldn't surprise me if they did let him go though. Can't really work him into anything, and he wasn't nearly as big an impact wrestler as WWE expected him to be. He gets heat from the crowds quite a bit from what I've noticed. So if they let him go I woulden't be too shocked by it. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

12-23-2003, 11:43 AM	#588 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	I think Goldberg and HBK are the only two wrestlers on the RAW roster I even care about. It would majorly suck if Goldberg got canned. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

12-26-2003, 02:36 PM	#589 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	What did you guys think of the SmackDown from Iraq? __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

12-26-2003, 08:07 PM	#590 (permalink)
psicon Tilted Location: In my own little world.	The Rico character is a take off of " Adorable" Adrian Adonis's gimmick from the 80's, or maybe Adrian Street also from the 80's

12-27-2003, 10:14 PM	#592 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Well my question about Goldberg leaving was based on an article I read at this link. http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/he...74558977.shtml __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

12-28-2003, 09:25 AM	#593 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	Uh oh. I hope they can work everything out. I don't care about selling to heels, who deserves what title, or any of that shit. Goldberg is the only wrestler on RAW that brings any intensity or excitement to the show. Him and HBK are pretty much the only reasons I watch the show anymore. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

12-30-2003, 10:18 PM	#594 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	I loved the Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels match on RAW. It was one of the better matches I've seen for a while. I hope that if their rematch takes place it's just as good. And did anyone else notice that it looked like Scott Steiner initially missed that low blow on Rob Vam Dam? __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

12-31-2003, 04:15 PM	#595 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	For some reason I knew that the HHH/Michaels match wasn't going to end cleanly. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

01-01-2004, 09:35 PM	#598 (permalink)
Young Nasty Man Upright	So, anyone going to the Rumble? I was lucky enough to get 4 pretty good tickets. It would just be a nightmare to see G'berg win it.

01-04-2004, 02:02 PM	#600 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	Goldberg is fun for me to watch on and off. I just can't stand to see him on a continuous basis. The man has no mic skills and seeing him in 12 matches that follow the same story board of moves is silly. 1) Goldberg body slams the guy 2) Goldberg waits for the guy to get up to spear him. 3) From the spear we see the Jackhammer and match over. Yawn It's true most WWE matches end that way, but in most cases especially in the WCW that was Goldberg's whole match. Also, I don't care if Goldberg's gimmick is being a beast or not, I hate the fact that he's been allowed to kick out of most superstar's finishers not once in a match but twice. (HHH, Kane, The Rock, etc.) __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.