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Charlatan · 05-05-2005, 05:12 AM

They can't kill of Locke... Terry O'Quinn is too great of an actor. His work in The Stepfather and "Millenium" just some of my favourite... His work on "Lost" is just adding to this.

maximusveritas · 05-05-2005, 09:13 AM

I liked the Saiyd backstory and the ending where he gets tough with Locke "And now you're going to take me to the hatch...John, no more lies." Should be interesting what comes next.
I thought the scene where Shannon tries to kill Locke was ridiculous though. Why should Saiyd apologize to Shannon for preventing her from killing an innocent man? Is he that desperate for some action? And why did everyone just stand there after Locke got shot? Wouldn't they want to check to see how badly Locke was injured?

Fremen · 05-05-2005, 10:30 AM

Finally! Now that everybody seems to know about the hatch maybe we'll get somewhere with it.

JStrider · 05-05-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by maximusveritas

I thought the scene where Shannon tries to kill Locke was ridiculous though. Why should Saiyd apologize to Shannon for preventing her from killing an innocent man? Is he that desperate for some action? And why did everyone just stand there after Locke got shot? Wouldn't they want to check to see how badly Locke was injured?

yah it was kinda lame...

but locke did lie about what caused boones injury, changing jacks treatment... if he hadnt lied maybe boone woulda lived...

and they know he is hiding something about the hatch

Charlatan · 05-05-2005, 11:05 AM

Sayid apologizing to Shannon isn't all that ridiculous when viewed through the context of the backstory that was just revealed...

It's all wrapped up in the guilt he must feel for his friend's suicide, etc. Doing the right thing vs. doing what is right for your friend...

Daoust · 05-05-2005, 11:11 AM

That's a deep read, Charlatan. But you're right. As usual.

maximusveritas · 05-05-2005, 07:54 PM

eh, that kinda makes sense and maybe that's what the writers were thinking, but it doesn't completely make sense.
In the flashback, at least IMO, it was more about Saiyd doing what was right for himself (finding his girl) vs. what was right for his friend. I just don't see much of a connection.

Gilda · 05-05-2005, 10:19 PM

I saw it as a pretty good parallel. In the flashback, Sayid did what he did out of concern for his girl, with disastrous consequences; on the island, he got the chance to fix that, but not acting solely out of concern for his girlfriend, but instead doing what was right. It's about redeeming past wrongs, just as with many other flashback / island parallels.

Charlatan · 05-06-2005, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilda

I saw it as a pretty good parallel. In the flashback, Sayid did what he did out of concern for his girl, with disastrous consequences; on the island, he got the chance to fix that, but not acting solely out of concern for his girlfriend, but instead doing what was right. It's about redeeming past wrongs, just as with many other flashback / island parallels.

That's what I was getting at exactly.

maximusveritas · 05-06-2005, 02:29 PM

Thanks for clarifying that. It still doesn't sit well with me, probably stemming from my intense dislike for Shannon, but I'm sure you're right about the intended parallels.

Daoust · 05-12-2005, 03:10 AM

So, what did you all think? I was impressed. It seemed like there were a lot of commercials though. I liked the part where the little boy touches Locke and says "Don't open it, whatever it is" adding to his creepiness. Is his name Walt? Did you guess who poisoned who? Did you guess that Kate was the ring leader? I didn't, but I'm easy to fool.
Next week seems interesting. The whole "they will get you" thing is interesting, for sure. I wonder if they'll have the raft set off in the finale, or if it will break, or if it will go and it'll be like a cliff hanger for next season. Anyways, it's shaping up well.

Charlatan · 05-12-2005, 04:36 AM

I predict they will launch the boat but it will travel in a circle and end up right back where they started... the island will not let them go.

Locke has me interested... When we left off before the break, the last shot was Locke looking into the window of the hatch as a light went on inside. We don't know anything else about what happened there... He is up to something and may be in cahoots with the hatch.

Looks like the French woman makes an appearance next week to warn that The Others are coming... what did she say in the promo? You can run, hide or die? Something like that anyway...

Two more eps to go!

Daoust · 05-12-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Looks like the French woman makes an appearance next week to warn that The Others are coming... what did she say in the promo? You can run, hide or die? Something like that anyway...

It was extremely corny sounding... Very Jean Claud Van Damme

Charlatan · 05-12-2005, 09:42 AM

Wouldn't it be great if the hatch burst open and out sprang Jean-Claude VanDamme?

And then he started jumping and kicking everybody? I know that's what I'd like to see...

"Don't open it. Whatever it is, don't open it."

boom29 · 05-12-2005, 04:30 PM

Michael: "We don't have to leave, you know."
Walt: "YES, WE DO."

That did it for me. Can't wait for the last two episodes.

spongy · 05-13-2005, 08:33 PM

I like that Walt has the Shining.

Words fail in an attempt describe just how good this show is.

can't wait for the last episodes either.

Latch · 05-19-2005, 12:56 AM

New episode chatter. Don't read if you haven't seen the new episode (Wen 18th/Thur 19th):

Wow.. so.. the raft's afloat.. There've been people crashing there long before the french woman (Black Rock)... Sawyer finally told Jack about his dad.... the mechanic-sounding thing is the security system for the island... I love this show. Can't believe there's only ~2hrs to go until we're done (for this season).

JStrider · 05-19-2005, 02:19 AM

yah way good episode...

i think the raft will return to the island... just doesnt seem like people should be able to leave...

Moskie · 05-19-2005, 02:24 AM

so we can assume that the "monster" of the island is something mechanical? I wasn't 100% sure what we were hearing, but it didn't sound natural.... hm, this could get interesting.

I really liked Jin and Sun's goodbye... I think they're my favorite characters. It was nice to see them say goodbye on good terms.

and why the hell did they bring Hurley on their dynamite mission? his fat ass is just gonna slow them down!

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Originally Posted by JStrider

i think the raft will return to the island... just doesnt seem like people should be able to leave...

That dawned on me, too. Just from the standpoint of it being a TV show, it doesn't seem like they're gonna have all those characters leave permanently.

Charlatan · 05-19-2005, 04:27 AM

I've always believed the raft would do one of two things:

1) head out to sea for a few days and just arrive back on the island where they left.
2) head out and circle around and be forced back ashore on the otherside of the island where they will be once more marooned but will discover something new and mysterious about the island that will propel season two.

This is such a build up episode. Not much happened plot wise but they did tie up a few loose ends with some of the characters... it's like the story is coiling for a big lead to the finish next week... I can't wait.

Manx · 05-19-2005, 01:53 PM

Just a note - It's not my intention to annoy anyone with this post, I'm just calling it as I see it.

Lost sucks. As a compelling form of entertainment, it sucks. As a product of a major broadcast studio, it was handled incredibly poorly - essentially an insult to the viewers. In regards to the entertainment factor - a show which spends 4 episodes creating unanswered (unanswerable) questions driving the plot deeper and deeper, then spends 15 episodes of 100% useless filler about the zero relevant backgrounds of 5 or 10 of the characters, only to turn around in the last couple of episodes to answer, maybe, one tenth of those questions it posed in the first 4 episodes - this is considered entertainment? No - it's marketing bullshit. As for the studio screwing up - what the hell were those seemingly infinite number of by-weeks? There were like 5 breaks with multiple by-weeks each for this show? Maybe if the episodes were actually compelling and not simply useless backstory filler, I could say the unbelieveable number of by-weeks was simply a way to make the viewers suffer before being taken deeper into the plot - but since the episodes were entirely useless, the by-weeks were simply compounded wastes of time.

I attribute much of the utter failure of this show to the understandable inability of JJ Abrams to create and oversee two shows simultaneously. Alias also sucked hard this season.

It's a shame too. I thoroughly enjoyed the first few episodes of Lost and as I watched every episode since then, I became more and more disappointed as it became clear that all of these backstories were meaningless. A good television show cannot get by with 4 to 6 interesting episodes in a 20 to 24 episode season.

Charlatan · 05-19-2005, 04:50 PM

Everyone is entitled to their (misguided) opinions...

Please feel free to change the channel.

Manx · 05-19-2005, 05:13 PM

I fully intend to not watch any more episodes. After this season. I'm going to eek out the last remnants of what remains of the quality of this show. But I'm not going to subject myself to another season of irrelevancy.

The last episode was somewhat ok - except I can guarantee you the monster-in-the-jungle is going to be entirely explained away by "It's the island's security system". Puhhhhlease! 75% of the captivation from episode #1 was "Damn what the hell is that monster thing???". And this is what we get? That's called poor writing.

TexanAvenger · 05-19-2005, 05:19 PM

You're entitled to your opinion, but I believe I'm entitled to smack you with the proverbial trout...

Doesn't like Lost... freakin' wrong, that is.

Moskie · 05-19-2005, 05:32 PM

I understand where you're coming from Manx... and if I felt that the backstories where completely useless like you do, then I'd have ditched the show too.

The show definately re-negged on a lot of things... introducing all of these weird ideas about what's going on on the island, but never really delivering on any of it. Then they go ahead with all these back stories... but are these stories just filler used to avoid the questions they don't want to answer, or are the backstories really what the show is about? I guess you have to decide for yourself.

Personally, I love the back stories. They're well done and help to really flesh out who these people are. I usually like things to be more character-based than plot-based anyway... so I guess that's why I've been so forgiving up to now. I'd like to think I'd still like the show even if it didn't have all this weird stuff happening on the island. But that weird stuff does provide some excitement and gets people hooked. Meh, so be it.

Manx · 05-19-2005, 06:38 PM

Moskie - you make very good points.

I suppose I simply wanted the show to be what it was in the first few episodes and then when that direction was replaced with these backstories (many of which annoyingly attempted to play into the plot without actually going anywhere - the lotto numbers of meaninglessness for example) I had already decided I enjoyed the show for other reasons - which were now suddenly replaced.

crossova · 05-20-2005, 07:30 AM

Okay i missed the last episode (may 18th). So the raft is aflot. i think it will return but without some of the characters. Dynamite mission, wtf? ok i got to go to abc's website and read the episode summary. brb

happyraul · 05-20-2005, 09:14 PM

In my opinion, your judgement of the show is shortsighted Manx. If the show predictably solved each mystery it put forth, people would quickly lose interest, and then indeed you would have cause to complain. I also disagree with your assessment of this Alias season. While it is not as good as the first two seasons, it is much much better than season three. To each his own I guess....

happyraul · 05-25-2005, 06:39 PM

Well let me be the first to say I was wrong, and you had the right idea Manx. That finale was disappointing. I wish there were only one season.

radioguy · 05-25-2005, 07:15 PM

i have no problem with the finale. i don't get too involved in a show to be disappointed in it. when walt was taken, it was a major surprise to me, as was when artz blew up....although kinda ironic. there is another board that is dedicated to lost and those people are vilifying the creators saying that they (the viewers) were treated like fools and blind sheep. they seem to be taking this personal and not enjoying a show for what it is......A SHOW!

i have enjoyed every episode this year and will continue to watch it next year

Moskie · 05-25-2005, 07:19 PM

Yea, it was a bit disappointing. Things I liked, things I didn't like... It was a good episode, but they really didn't answer any questions....

The thing that attacked Locke was cool, and it was the first thing that's happened that's been overtly supernatural, or whatever you want to call it. Up till now, all the weird stuff on the island has been ambiguous enough where they could explain it away, if they really wanted to. But here they grew some balls with that invisible thing that got Locke... I don't think there's any way to explain that away.

The "others" coming to get Walt... Maybe I'm stupid, but I didn't see it coming. I bought the idea that the French woman was just crazy, and then I forgot about the whole idea of a boy being taken away. I'll give the show credit there.

The dynamite storyline was wayyy too drawn out. And then to not really have a payoff, and instead just show us a ladder leading downwards... definitely left me wanting more there.

And the random flashbacks just don't work for the show... those are definitely just filler, and as pointless as Manx says they are. I guess it doesn't really work for the season finale to be focused on one character, so they instead do these random flashbacks, but they didn't make up for it by what was happening on the island.

So yea, I enjoyed it overall, but for an episode/finale that's focused on what's happening on the island, they didn't provide enough answers... and I guess no one's surprised by that.

guthmund · 05-25-2005, 07:38 PM

I don't know. I thought the finale was pretty good.

Even the flashbacks fit in nicely, in my opinion. Hurley in the airport was too much. That they didn't advance the show much is no big surprise being the season finale and all, they had to set up next season with something.

Rambling....

Wasn't much of a surprise that that fellow was going to die (like they pointed out on Fark, they just should've given him the red shirt..

), but...man, was that cool. I'm also a big Sayed fan, so, I'm glad a bit of the show was focused on him. (gunpowder...woah...)

Too bad, Charlie picked up the junk. At least they got the hatch open. And Walt's kidnapping took me completely by surprise.

cartmen34 · 05-25-2005, 07:48 PM

Here is my thing...

[pointless theory]
With all the mystery surrounding "whatever the hell that thing is on the island", do you think that those pirates that took Walt are actually the "Others" that the French woman was talking about? Were they "sent" by the island? When the Siaed(sp) and Charlie confronted the french woman on the beach, didn't she say something about "all they wanted was the boy?" Well, maybe they came back for another 'boy' , and Walt was the only one. The island had to go get the only boy near it.
[/pointless theory]

And now I'm done.....

mrklixx · 05-25-2005, 08:27 PM

Dude, you've got some....Arnst on you.

JStrider · 05-25-2005, 10:28 PM

i thought the episode was alright...

I'm so pissed at charlier for picking up the drugs arrrgh...

i was figuring if they got the hatch open it wouldnt be anything helpful... i figured it would be an empty room or something...

taking walt instead of the baby completely caught me off guard...

cant wait for the next season... i want it to just keep going...

crossova · 05-26-2005, 05:34 AM

Snatching walt shocked me and angered me. those pirates have to be the other people on the island. i wonder how long sawyer and the other two guys will last with a broken raft...will they float back to the island or be shark bait.
I was hoping they would show either part of the creature or at least inside the hatch (which they did...sort of)
Did anyone notice Hurley (fat dude) reading the comic book with the polar bear?

guthmund · 05-26-2005, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

Dude, you've got some....Arnst on you.

Hurley has a way with the one-liners, doesn't he?

I don't see anyone else for the pirates to be. They have to be the black smoke "them" the French lady kept talking about.

So, now I'm really confused. Were they always after Walt or will any baby boy do? Was Ethan of the "Them" like the pirates seem to be or was he just trying to get the French lady a new baby? Did the French lady kidnap Claire the second time, is that what the flashback meant?

I guess, I always assumed that Ethan was of the "Them" and that there were no ties between him and the French woman. I don't know why I assumed that...

I do think the wandering trio lost out at sea will eventually make they're way to the island, but it's going to take a while and the writers are certainly going to tease us with some sort of great peril. (I imagine it's going to be sharks because they did shoot Sawyer)

mrklixx · 05-26-2005, 07:37 AM

All I'm saying is if ABC pulls a "John Doe" with this series then somebody is hurtin' for certain.

Grancey · 05-26-2005, 08:02 AM

When Claire noticed the scratch marks on the French woman and then had the flashback, I was thinking that the French woman saved her from Ethan.....?

Cynthetiq · 05-26-2005, 08:19 AM

I've been avoiding this thread because I haven't watched the last 2 episodes yet.

Here's an interesting article:

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The Subtleties Behind the Subtitles
Daniel Dae Kim Relishes Complex Role on 'Lost'

By Amy Amatangelo
Special to The Washington Post
Sunday, May 22, 2005; Y07

Oh, the mysteries of ABC's hit series "Lost." Where are the doomed passengers of Oceanic Flight 815? How did they survive the plane crash? And why are they all so darn good-looking?

On an island full intriguing characters, Daniel Dae Kim's Jin Kwon has been almost as confounding as the show's cursed lottery numbers. Already one of the few Asian characters on prime-time television, Jin has not spoken a word of English all season. A risky decision, even for a show as smart as "Lost."

"I am so grateful to [executive producers] J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof for taking the chance on having a character who doesn't speak the language for an entire season," Kim, 36, said. "I think it's really doing a lot for what we deem acceptable on television and what we can expect the viewer to follow."

The idea to have characters who don't speak English occurred to the producers when Yunjin Kim (no relation), who plays Jin's wife Sun, auditioned for the role of Kate.

"She was phenomenal," Lindelof said. "It wasn't like she was wrong for Kate, but we thought: How interesting would it be to have a character who doesn't speak English? You would really have this opportunity to do something that doesn't really exist on network television."

So they cast Yunjin as Sun (the role of Kate went to Evangeline Lilly) and gave Sun a husband. Kim auditioned for the role -- and suddenly found himself relocating with his wife and two children to Hawaii, where the show films. As the season unfolded, Sun and Jin's heartbreaking back-story was revealed: A tale of two innocent young people passionately in love before Jin is corrupted by Sun's criminal father. Eventually, viewers discovered that Sun speaks English -- but Jin remains confined to subtitles.

This meant Kim, who was born in Busan, South Korea, but raised in New York and Pennsylvania, had to seriously brush up on his Korean. "It was one of the biggest challenges of my career," he said. "I wasn't fluent."

He relied on Yunjin and the show's translator to help him capture the cadence of the language. "For me, it wasn't so much that I wasn't pronouncing the word correctly, but the melody of the lines was different," he said. "So it was just a matter of trying to get the tonality of speech down."

Like many viewers, Kim was worried that Jin could be perceived as a cliched stoic and inscrutable Asian man.

"That was actually one of my biggest questions when I started," Kim said. "The character wasn't a sympathetic character by any means, so I was a little bit concerned that he might come off as one-dimensional or somewhat stereotypical -- and sure enough, after the pilot, I did receive some criticism for exactly that.

"There will always be a small minority of people who always want my character to be nothing but a hero who speaks fluent Korean and saves the day," Kim said. "I think there's much more value in a character that's complex and can really hold your interest for the long term."

Kim said he's aware that his role comes with a somewhat heavy burden.

"This is really the first opportunity I've had to play someone who is a Korean national, so I want to be as sensitive as possible with regard to representing that," he said.

"It's important that if I am in a position of visibility that I use that position to not only help myself and my career but [also to] continue to help the image of Asian portrayals in the media."

A recent study by the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium found that Asians make up 5 percent of the U.S. population and play 2.7 percent of the regular roles on TV.

Before landing the role on "Lost," Kim played an FBI agent on "24," a social worker on "ER," and a really evil lawyer on "Angel."

"Most of the roles that I've done have been written for non-Asian people, so it has been a conscious choice to try to expand the notion of what's acceptable for an Asian person to play," Kim said.

Kim grew up thinking he would become a doctor, like his father, or a lawyer. But once a friend at Haverford College asked him to be in a play, he was hooked. So he went to New York University and earned a master's degree in acting. During his summer hiatus, Kim will return to his theater roots and New York to star in the off-Broadway production of the Chekhov play "Ivanov," where he looks forward to performing before a live audience.

Being in New York also puts him closer to his parents. They love watching their son on TV every week, but Kim's mother has one small request.

"My mom can't stand to see me get hit on the show," Kim said. "She asks me to tell her whenever I'm going to be involved in violence. When I got killed off on 'Angel,' my mom literally couldn't sleep that night."

Kim couldn't offer many hints about what viewers can expect to see in Wednesday's two-hour finale or answer any questions about the puzzling hints the series has been dropping all season.

"The party line happens to be the truth: I really don't know," Kim said. "I have my own theories. That's how bad it is.

"I like to parallel the character's journey and the character doesn't know and the character is trying to sort it out, so I like to walk along with him," Kim said. "One thing that I do believe is that all the characters are on the island for a reason. I don't think it's a coincidence that they just happen to be there and survive."

LOST

05-05-2005, 05:12 AM	#481 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	They can't kill of Locke... Terry O'Quinn is too great of an actor. His work in The Stepfather and "Millenium" just some of my favourite... His work on "Lost" is just adding to this. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-05-2005, 10:30 AM	#483 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Finally! Now that everybody seems to know about the hatch maybe we'll get somewhere with it. __________________ Google

05-05-2005, 11:05 AM	#485 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Sayid apologizing to Shannon isn't all that ridiculous when viewed through the context of the backstory that was just revealed... It's all wrapped up in the guilt he must feel for his friend's suicide, etc. Doing the right thing vs. doing what is right for your friend... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-05-2005, 11:11 AM	#486 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	That's a deep read, Charlatan. But you're right. As usual. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

05-05-2005, 10:19 PM	#488 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	I saw it as a pretty good parallel. In the flashback, Sayid did what he did out of concern for his girl, with disastrous consequences; on the island, he got the chance to fix that, but not acting solely out of concern for his girlfriend, but instead doing what was right. It's about redeeming past wrongs, just as with many other flashback / island parallels. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert

05-05-2005, 09:13 AM	#482 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	I liked the Saiyd backstory and the ending where he gets tough with Locke "And now you're going to take me to the hatch...John, no more lies." Should be interesting what comes next. I thought the scene where Shannon tries to kill Locke was ridiculous though. Why should Saiyd apologize to Shannon for preventing her from killing an innocent man? Is he that desperate for some action? And why did everyone just stand there after Locke got shot? Wouldn't they want to check to see how badly Locke was injured?

05-05-2005, 07:54 PM	#487 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	eh, that kinda makes sense and maybe that's what the writers were thinking, but it doesn't completely make sense. In the flashback, at least IMO, it was more about Saiyd doing what was right for himself (finding his girl) vs. what was right for his friend. I just don't see much of a connection.

05-06-2005, 02:29 PM	#490 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Thanks for clarifying that. It still doesn't sit well with me, probably stemming from my intense dislike for Shannon, but I'm sure you're right about the intended parallels.

05-12-2005, 03:10 AM	#491 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	So, what did you all think? I was impressed. It seemed like there were a lot of commercials though. I liked the part where the little boy touches Locke and says "Don't open it, whatever it is" adding to his creepiness. Is his name Walt? Did you guess who poisoned who? Did you guess that Kate was the ring leader? I didn't, but I'm easy to fool. Next week seems interesting. The whole "they will get you" thing is interesting, for sure. I wonder if they'll have the raft set off in the finale, or if it will break, or if it will go and it'll be like a cliff hanger for next season. Anyways, it's shaping up well. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

05-12-2005, 04:36 AM	#492 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I predict they will launch the boat but it will travel in a circle and end up right back where they started... the island will not let them go. Locke has me interested... When we left off before the break, the last shot was Locke looking into the window of the hatch as a light went on inside. We don't know anything else about what happened there... He is up to something and may be in cahoots with the hatch. Looks like the French woman makes an appearance next week to warn that The Others are coming... what did she say in the promo? You can run, hide or die? Something like that anyway... Two more eps to go! __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-12-2005, 09:42 AM	#494 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Wouldn't it be great if the hatch burst open and out sprang Jean-Claude VanDamme? And then he started jumping and kicking everybody? I know that's what I'd like to see... "Don't open it. Whatever it is, don't open it." __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-12-2005, 04:30 PM	#495 (permalink)
boom29 Insane	Michael: "We don't have to leave, you know." Walt: "YES, WE DO." That did it for me. Can't wait for the last two episodes.

05-13-2005, 08:33 PM	#496 (permalink)
spongy Psycho	I like that Walt has the Shining. Words fail in an attempt describe just how good this show is. can't wait for the last episodes either. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed. Stephen King

05-19-2005, 12:56 AM	#497 (permalink)
Latch In Your Dreams Location: City of Lights	New episode chatter. Don't read if you haven't seen the new episode (Wen 18th/Thur 19th): Wow.. so.. the raft's afloat.. There've been people crashing there long before the french woman (Black Rock)... Sawyer finally told Jack about his dad.... the mechanic-sounding thing is the security system for the island... I love this show. Can't believe there's only ~2hrs to go until we're done (for this season).

05-19-2005, 02:19 AM	#498 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	yah way good episode... i think the raft will return to the island... just doesnt seem like people should be able to leave... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

05-19-2005, 04:27 AM	#500 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I've always believed the raft would do one of two things: 1) head out to sea for a few days and just arrive back on the island where they left. 2) head out and circle around and be forced back ashore on the otherside of the island where they will be once more marooned but will discover something new and mysterious about the island that will propel season two. This is such a build up episode. Not much happened plot wise but they did tie up a few loose ends with some of the characters... it's like the story is coiling for a big lead to the finish next week... I can't wait. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-19-2005, 01:53 PM	#501 (permalink)
Manx Loser	Just a note - It's not my intention to annoy anyone with this post, I'm just calling it as I see it. Lost sucks. As a compelling form of entertainment, it sucks. As a product of a major broadcast studio, it was handled incredibly poorly - essentially an insult to the viewers. In regards to the entertainment factor - a show which spends 4 episodes creating unanswered (unanswerable) questions driving the plot deeper and deeper, then spends 15 episodes of 100% useless filler about the zero relevant backgrounds of 5 or 10 of the characters, only to turn around in the last couple of episodes to answer, maybe, one tenth of those questions it posed in the first 4 episodes - this is considered entertainment? No - it's marketing bullshit. As for the studio screwing up - what the hell were those seemingly infinite number of by-weeks? There were like 5 breaks with multiple by-weeks each for this show? Maybe if the episodes were actually compelling and not simply useless backstory filler, I could say the unbelieveable number of by-weeks was simply a way to make the viewers suffer before being taken deeper into the plot - but since the episodes were entirely useless, the by-weeks were simply compounded wastes of time. I attribute much of the utter failure of this show to the understandable inability of JJ Abrams to create and oversee two shows simultaneously. Alias also sucked hard this season. It's a shame too. I thoroughly enjoyed the first few episodes of Lost and as I watched every episode since then, I became more and more disappointed as it became clear that all of these backstories were meaningless. A good television show cannot get by with 4 to 6 interesting episodes in a 20 to 24 episode season.

05-19-2005, 04:50 PM	#502 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Everyone is entitled to their (misguided) opinions... Please feel free to change the channel. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-19-2005, 05:13 PM	#503 (permalink)
Manx Loser	I fully intend to not watch any more episodes. After this season. I'm going to eek out the last remnants of what remains of the quality of this show. But I'm not going to subject myself to another season of irrelevancy. The last episode was somewhat ok - except I can guarantee you the monster-in-the-jungle is going to be entirely explained away by "It's the island's security system". Puhhhhlease! 75% of the captivation from episode #1 was "Damn what the hell is that monster thing???". And this is what we get? That's called poor writing.

05-19-2005, 05:19 PM	#504 (permalink)
TexanAvenger Born-Again New Guy Location: Unfound.	You're entitled to your opinion, but I believe I'm entitled to smack you with the proverbial trout... Doesn't like Lost... freakin' wrong, that is. Last edited by TexanAvenger; 05-19-2005 at 06:43 PM..

05-19-2005, 05:32 PM	#505 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	I understand where you're coming from Manx... and if I felt that the backstories where completely useless like you do, then I'd have ditched the show too. The show definately re-negged on a lot of things... introducing all of these weird ideas about what's going on on the island, but never really delivering on any of it. Then they go ahead with all these back stories... but are these stories just filler used to avoid the questions they don't want to answer, or are the backstories really what the show is about? I guess you have to decide for yourself. Personally, I love the back stories. They're well done and help to really flesh out who these people are. I usually like things to be more character-based than plot-based anyway... so I guess that's why I've been so forgiving up to now. I'd like to think I'd still like the show even if it didn't have all this weird stuff happening on the island. But that weird stuff does provide some excitement and gets people hooked. Meh, so be it. __________________ Greetings and salutations.

05-19-2005, 06:38 PM	#506 (permalink)
Manx Loser	Moskie - you make very good points. I suppose I simply wanted the show to be what it was in the first few episodes and then when that direction was replaced with these backstories (many of which annoyingly attempted to play into the plot without actually going anywhere - the lotto numbers of meaninglessness for example) I had already decided I enjoyed the show for other reasons - which were now suddenly replaced.

05-20-2005, 07:30 AM	#507 (permalink)
crossova Psycho Location: new york	Okay i missed the last episode (may 18th). So the raft is aflot. i think it will return but without some of the characters. Dynamite mission, wtf? ok i got to go to abc's website and read the episode summary. brb

05-20-2005, 09:14 PM	#508 (permalink)
happyraul Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	In my opinion, your judgement of the show is shortsighted Manx. If the show predictably solved each mystery it put forth, people would quickly lose interest, and then indeed you would have cause to complain. I also disagree with your assessment of this Alias season. While it is not as good as the first two seasons, it is much much better than season three. To each his own I guess....

05-25-2005, 06:39 PM	#509 (permalink)
happyraul Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	Well let me be the first to say I was wrong, and you had the right idea Manx. That finale was disappointing. I wish there were only one season.

05-25-2005, 07:15 PM	#510 (permalink)
radioguy Registered User Location: Texas	i have no problem with the finale. i don't get too involved in a show to be disappointed in it. when walt was taken, it was a major surprise to me, as was when artz blew up....although kinda ironic. there is another board that is dedicated to lost and those people are vilifying the creators saying that they (the viewers) were treated like fools and blind sheep. they seem to be taking this personal and not enjoying a show for what it is......A SHOW! i have enjoyed every episode this year and will continue to watch it next year

05-25-2005, 07:19 PM	#511 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	Yea, it was a bit disappointing. Things I liked, things I didn't like... It was a good episode, but they really didn't answer any questions.... The thing that attacked Locke was cool, and it was the first thing that's happened that's been overtly supernatural, or whatever you want to call it. Up till now, all the weird stuff on the island has been ambiguous enough where they could explain it away, if they really wanted to. But here they grew some balls with that invisible thing that got Locke... I don't think there's any way to explain that away. The "others" coming to get Walt... Maybe I'm stupid, but I didn't see it coming. I bought the idea that the French woman was just crazy, and then I forgot about the whole idea of a boy being taken away. I'll give the show credit there. The dynamite storyline was wayyy too drawn out. And then to not really have a payoff, and instead just show us a ladder leading downwards... definitely left me wanting more there. And the random flashbacks just don't work for the show... those are definitely just filler, and as pointless as Manx says they are. I guess it doesn't really work for the season finale to be focused on one character, so they instead do these random flashbacks, but they didn't make up for it by what was happening on the island. So yea, I enjoyed it overall, but for an episode/finale that's focused on what's happening on the island, they didn't provide enough answers... and I guess no one's surprised by that. __________________ Greetings and salutations.

05-25-2005, 07:38 PM	#512 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I don't know. I thought the finale was pretty good. Even the flashbacks fit in nicely, in my opinion. Hurley in the airport was too much. That they didn't advance the show much is no big surprise being the season finale and all, they had to set up next season with something. Rambling.... Wasn't much of a surprise that that fellow was going to die (like they pointed out on Fark, they just should've given him the red shirt.. ), but...man, was that cool. I'm also a big Sayed fan, so, I'm glad a bit of the show was focused on him. (gunpowder...woah...) Too bad, Charlie picked up the junk. At least they got the hatch open. And Walt's kidnapping took me completely by surprise. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously. Last edited by guthmund; 05-25-2005 at 07:40 PM..

05-25-2005, 07:48 PM	#513 (permalink)
cartmen34 Psycho Location: the hills of aquafina.	Here is my thing... [pointless theory] With all the mystery surrounding "whatever the hell that thing is on the island", do you think that those pirates that took Walt are actually the "Others" that the French woman was talking about? Were they "sent" by the island? When the Siaed(sp) and Charlie confronted the french woman on the beach, didn't she say something about "all they wanted was the boy?" Well, maybe they came back for another 'boy' , and Walt was the only one. The island had to go get the only boy near it. [/pointless theory] And now I'm done..... __________________ "The problem with quick and dirty, as some people have said, is that the dirty remains long after the quick has been forgotten" - Steve McConnell

05-25-2005, 08:27 PM	#514 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	Dude, you've got some....Arnst on you. __________________ This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent. This is not a link - Do not click here I hate animated avatars.

05-25-2005, 10:28 PM	#515 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	i thought the episode was alright... I'm so pissed at charlier for picking up the drugs arrrgh... i was figuring if they got the hatch open it wouldnt be anything helpful... i figured it would be an empty room or something... taking walt instead of the baby completely caught me off guard... cant wait for the next season... i want it to just keep going... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

05-26-2005, 05:34 AM	#516 (permalink)
crossova Psycho Location: new york	Snatching walt shocked me and angered me. those pirates have to be the other people on the island. i wonder how long sawyer and the other two guys will last with a broken raft...will they float back to the island or be shark bait. I was hoping they would show either part of the creature or at least inside the hatch (which they did...sort of) Did anyone notice Hurley (fat dude) reading the comic book with the polar bear?

05-26-2005, 07:37 AM	#518 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	All I'm saying is if ABC pulls a "John Doe" with this series then somebody is hurtin' for certain. __________________ This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent. This is not a link - Do not click here I hate animated avatars.

05-26-2005, 08:02 AM	#519 (permalink)
Grancey Life's short, gotta hurry... Location: land of pit vipers	When Claire noticed the scratch marks on the French woman and then had the flashback, I was thinking that the French woman saved her from Ethan.....? __________________ Quiet, mild-mannered souls might just turn out to be roaring lions of two-fisted cool.