Just a note - It's not my intention to annoy anyone with this post, I'm just calling it as I see it.



Lost sucks. As a compelling form of entertainment, it sucks. As a product of a major broadcast studio, it was handled incredibly poorly - essentially an insult to the viewers. In regards to the entertainment factor - a show which spends 4 episodes creating unanswered (unanswerable) questions driving the plot deeper and deeper, then spends 15 episodes of 100% useless filler about the zero relevant backgrounds of 5 or 10 of the characters, only to turn around in the last couple of episodes to answer, maybe, one tenth of those questions it posed in the first 4 episodes - this is considered entertainment? No - it's marketing bullshit. As for the studio screwing up - what the hell were those seemingly infinite number of by-weeks? There were like 5 breaks with multiple by-weeks each for this show? Maybe if the episodes were actually compelling and not simply useless backstory filler, I could say the unbelieveable number of by-weeks was simply a way to make the viewers suffer before being taken deeper into the plot - but since the episodes were entirely useless, the by-weeks were simply compounded wastes of time.

I attribute much of the utter failure of this show to the understandable inability of JJ Abrams to create and oversee two shows simultaneously. Alias also sucked hard this season.

It's a shame too. I thoroughly enjoyed the first few episodes of Lost and as I watched every episode since then, I became more and more disappointed as it became clear that all of these backstories were meaningless. A good television show cannot get by with 4 to 6 interesting episodes in a 20 to 24 episode season.

Everyone is entitled to their (misguided) opinions...

Please feel free to change the channel. :thumbsup:

I fully intend to not watch any more episodes. After this season. I'm going to eek out the last remnants of what remains of the quality of this show. But I'm not going to subject myself to another season of irrelevancy.

The last episode was somewhat ok - except I can guarantee you the monster-in-the-jungle is going to be entirely explained away by "It's the island's security system". Puhhhhlease! 75% of the captivation from episode #1 was "Damn what the hell is that monster thing???". And this is what we get? That's called poor writing.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I believe I'm entitled to smack you with the proverbial trout...

Doesn't like Lost... freakin' wrong, that is. :rolleyes:

:lol: I understand where you're coming from Manx... and if I felt that the backstories where completely useless like you do, then I'd have ditched the show too.

The show definately re-negged on a lot of things... introducing all of these weird ideas about what's going on on the island, but never really delivering on any of it. Then they go ahead with all these back stories... but are these stories just filler used to avoid the questions they don't want to answer, or are the backstories really what the show is about? I guess you have to decide for yourself.

Personally, I love the back stories. They're well done and help to really flesh out who these people are. I usually like things to be more character-based than plot-based anyway... so I guess that's why I've been so forgiving up to now. I'd like to think I'd still like the show even if it didn't have all this weird stuff happening on the island. But that weird stuff does provide some excitement and gets people hooked. Meh, so be it.

Moskie - you make very good points.

I suppose I simply wanted the show to be what it was in the first few episodes and then when that direction was replaced with these backstories (many of which annoyingly attempted to play into the plot without actually going anywhere - the lotto numbers of meaninglessness for example) I had already decided I enjoyed the show for other reasons - which were now suddenly replaced.

Okay i missed the last episode (may 18th). So the raft is aflot. i think it will return but without some of the characters. Dynamite mission, wtf? ok i got to go to abc's website and read the episode summary. brb

In my opinion, your judgement of the show is shortsighted Manx. If the show predictably solved each mystery it put forth, people would quickly lose interest, and then indeed you would have cause to complain. I also disagree with your assessment of this Alias season. While it is not as good as the first two seasons, it is much much better than season three. To each his own I guess....

Well let me be the first to say I was wrong, and you had the right idea Manx. That finale was disappointing. I wish there were only one season.

i have no problem with the finale. i don't get too involved in a show to be disappointed in it. when walt was taken, it was a major surprise to me, as was when artz blew up....although kinda ironic. there is another board that is dedicated to lost and those people are vilifying the creators saying that they (the viewers) were treated like fools and blind sheep. they seem to be taking this personal and not enjoying a show for what it is......A SHOW!

i have enjoyed every episode this year and will continue to watch it next year :thumbsup:

Yea, it was a bit disappointing. Things I liked, things I didn't like... It was a good episode, but they really didn't answer any questions....

The thing that attacked Locke was cool, and it was the first thing that's happened that's been overtly supernatural, or whatever you want to call it. Up till now, all the weird stuff on the island has been ambiguous enough where they could explain it away, if they really wanted to. But here they grew some balls with that invisible thing that got Locke... I don't think there's any way to explain that away.

The "others" coming to get Walt... Maybe I'm stupid, but I didn't see it coming. I bought the idea that the French woman was just crazy, and then I forgot about the whole idea of a boy being taken away. I'll give the show credit there.

The dynamite storyline was wayyy too drawn out. And then to not really have a payoff, and instead just show us a ladder leading downwards... definitely left me wanting more there.

And the random flashbacks just don't work for the show... those are definitely just filler, and as pointless as Manx says they are. I guess it doesn't really work for the season finale to be focused on one character, so they instead do these random flashbacks, but they didn't make up for it by what was happening on the island.

So yea, I enjoyed it overall, but for an episode/finale that's focused on what's happening on the island, they didn't provide enough answers... and I guess no one's surprised by that.

I don't know. I thought the finale was pretty good.

Even the flashbacks fit in nicely, in my opinion. Hurley in the airport was too much. That they didn't advance the show much is no big surprise being the season finale and all, they had to set up next season with something.

Rambling....

Wasn't much of a surprise that that fellow was going to die (like they pointed out on Fark, they just should've given him the red shirt..:) ), but...man, was that cool. I'm also a big Sayed fan, so, I'm glad a bit of the show was focused on him. (gunpowder...woah...)

Too bad, Charlie picked up the junk. At least they got the hatch open. And Walt's kidnapping took me completely by surprise.

Here is my thing...

[pointless theory]
With all the mystery surrounding "whatever the hell that thing is on the island", do you think that those pirates that took Walt are actually the "Others" that the French woman was talking about? Were they "sent" by the island? When the Siaed(sp) and Charlie confronted the french woman on the beach, didn't she say something about "all they wanted was the boy?" Well, maybe they came back for another 'boy' , and Walt was the only one. The island had to go get the only boy near it.
[/pointless theory]

And now I'm done..... :)

Dude, you've got some....Arnst on you. :D

i thought the episode was alright...

I'm so pissed at charlier for picking up the drugs arrrgh...

i was figuring if they got the hatch open it wouldnt be anything helpful... i figured it would be an empty room or something...

taking walt instead of the baby completely caught me off guard...


cant wait for the next season... i want it to just keep going...

Snatching walt shocked me and angered me. those pirates have to be the other people on the island. i wonder how long sawyer and the other two guys will last with a broken raft...will they float back to the island or be shark bait.
I was hoping they would show either part of the creature or at least inside the hatch (which they did...sort of)
Did anyone notice Hurley (fat dude) reading the comic book with the polar bear?

:lol: Hurley has a way with the one-liners, doesn't he?


I don't see anyone else for the pirates to be. They have to be the black smoke "them" the French lady kept talking about.

So, now I'm really confused. Were they always after Walt or will any baby boy do? Was Ethan of the "Them" like the pirates seem to be or was he just trying to get the French lady a new baby? Did the French lady kidnap Claire the second time, is that what the flashback meant?

I guess, I always assumed that Ethan was of the "Them" and that there were no ties between him and the French woman. I don't know why I assumed that...:hmm:

I do think the wandering trio lost out at sea will eventually make they're way to the island, but it's going to take a while and the writers are certainly going to tease us with some sort of great peril. (I imagine it's going to be sharks because they did shoot Sawyer)

All I'm saying is if ABC pulls a "John Doe" with this series then somebody is hurtin' for certain. ;)

When Claire noticed the scratch marks on the French woman and then had the flashback, I was thinking that the French woman saved her from Ethan.....?

I've been avoiding this thread because I haven't watched the last 2 episodes yet.

Here's an interesting article:

When Hurley was tooling around through the airport on the Rascal, he passed in front of six girls in sports uniforms, and the numbers on their jerseys were (in order) 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42. Grancey and I were wondering just how much other background stuff we missed like that.

I liked how all the characters show up in the airport, some very subtley passing through the screen. That was neat.

I would have to say I liked the season finale. Yes, it left everything up in the air, but that's just what a good season finale should do. It gave us all something to come back for.

I like the freakiness around Walt. I like what they're doing with his character.
I dislike Rousseau, the French lady. I dislike all her lines and her acting ability. I dislike that they named her Rousseau.

I dislike that they went a whole season without Kate and Sun kissing. Damnation!

So I guess this is goodbye to this thread until the Fall. I hope to see you all back here when rumours of the Lost Season II premiere hit the airwaves...

So was last night's episode the finale? I was flipping channels, so didn't see the ending. The last scene that I saw was when they were looking down a deep manhole that they uncovered with dynomite. I thought that I heard there would be a two hour finale on tonight. But then that may be because i was watching a tape of the 24 finale from two nights ago...

(so many season enders, no time to watch them all)

Janey... the final episode is tonight at 8pm on CTV. Last night CTV ran the two-hour finale of American Idol...

The two hour finale was on last night in the US..

phew! thanks charlatan. so i have to finish watching 24 (12 mins to go) so i can set the tape up to catch the Lost episode. I was flipping between the Pirate attack on Lost and Bo singing with Lynyrd Skynyrd. Bo won that remote control battle, but now I don't know where I am with the Lost episode. I'l ltape it all tonight while I'm out.

there is another site i frequent that has tons of info on this topic and any other you could imagine. it's a fabulous site for fans of this show. pm me and i'll send it to you if you want it. i don't know if i'm allowed to post another website.

someone mentioned about charlie going back to his heroin problem, i'm not sure that's going to happen. remember, he was a religious person before being introduced to heroin. maybe he's just getting a virgin mary for his faith. also, wouldn't it have been easier to just take the little packets of heroin instead of a big virgin mary? just a couple of thoughts to ponder.

I watch Lost somewhat infrequently, usually once every other week or so. To be honest, when I DO watch it, it's because there's nothing else on the other networks that remotely interests me and because I find the show visually (it's shot in Hawaii and 'Kate' is hot) and aurally pleasing (great music)... but not necessarily because I am interested in the plot.

Like others have said, most of the time the show does not deliver the goods when it comes to answering major questions. Granted, I have missed a few epiosdes, but how long has that hatch been a mystery? Like 5 episodes? And then in the season finale they don't give a definitive answer to where the hatch leads to, they just keep the hatch mystery around to drag out for another 5 episodes next season. And of course there's raft/monster storylines which simply lead to more questions.

At some point while I was watching Lost I realized that in order to enjoy watching the show, you just have to accept that nothing will be solved. The writers will never give any definitive answers to any of the major questions. Just let go of any hope you have.

Now I'm not saying Lost is a horrible show by any means, I'd still watch it over the 4 different Law & Order Shows or American Idol anyday. What I do believe however is that Lost has an immense potential of being a great show. All the writers have to do is deliever on some of the major mysteries and stop leaving the viewers with the proverbial blue balls. I personally would watch much more regularly if I knew that plots would eventually be resolved. For example, my hands down favorite TV show is 24. Often times there's a mole in CTU that needs to be found or a target of a bomb needs to be determined. In 24 I know that eventually the mole or the bomb target will be revealed to the viewers, even if CTU fails to stop the terrorist activies. Because I know the show will answer the questions it poses, I tune in the following week and so on and so on etc. With Lost I have no expectations of any resolutions and therefore my interest level stays minimal.

*Phew* That was a really long post. Despite my frustrations I will most likely continue watching Lost next season on a somewhat infrequent basis, but like I said, I think it's capable of much more.

not much to look at but its pretty cool. its a small teaser for the next season.

LINK

Some numbers... (originally written by someone else)

Kind of a neat little nugget. It didn't show much, but it was cool that it was hidden and all. Kind of like an easter egg on the internet.

From the above link: Spoiler: They're NOT the survivors they think they are?!?!? wtf? :hmm:

That has so many possibilities, it makes me fairly giddy with anticipation. :thumbsup:

I don't think you need to spoiler it... it is a public trailer after all.

I'd like to speculate the following about They Are Not the Survivor's They Think they Are

1) They are all dead and this is the afterlife (highly unlikely)
2) There are other survivors from Flight 815 on the Island (Boone, just before the plunge, spoke into the radio, We're the survivors of flight 815... they he hears, WE'RE the survivors of Flight 815, I think they are contacting each other)
3) Are the survivors of some other flight... they boarded the wrong flight (based on odd numbers on the Oceanic Airways website)
4) They are not just random survivors. They have been brought there for a purpose.

I don't know about this show anymore. The fact that I have no idea what is going on, even after the entire first season is over, kind of leaves me unsatisfied. Maybe that's the writer's idea of pushing the boundaries of television, but I don't really like it. I know some people do enjoy it and that's great, but it's not for me.
I probably won't watch this show again until it's all over and I can evaluate it as a whole. Until then, I just feel like I'm being strung along endlessly toward a conclusion that in the end may not be worth it.

You are probably right about the conclusion... it will inevitably be unsatisfying. It's like anything. When you take away the mystery it just doesn't live up to the hype.

That said, I am enjoying the trip. I am enjoying the gradual unvieling of each character's back story, the way in which they all seem to be somehow connected to each other in some way... the way the mystery of the island is slowly being revealed.

I found the final episode unsatisfying but in a good way... Like an itch I can't scratch.

Think of it as a Scooby Doo episode. :) The fact that it was Old Man Greenway dressed up in a Yeti costume isn't half as entertaining as the running around trying to discover who the Yeti was. Besides if all is revealed, then all that would be left of the show would be them trying to make a radio out of coconuts, and have celebrity guests who appear on the island.;)

Lost seems to be doing what a great TV show should be doing. Keeping their viewers eagerly awaiting the following season, and leaving more questions to be answered during the next season. How interesting would season#2 be if we had seen the creature or discovered everything that was down in the hatch? i was a bit upset that it didnt really solve everything but it wet my appetite for the possibilities of Season #2

I was re-watching X2: X-Men United just now, and to my eyes, Nightcrawler's leftover teleportation smoke looks like the creature's smoke in Lost.

Check it out yourselves and tell me what you think.

I think the best approach for the finale would have been to pick *one* of the island's mysteries (say, the hatch, the monster, the "others", etc.), focus on it, then have it be "solved" or written away by the end of the episode.

I keep thinking about how The X-Files went about things. I didn't watch every season, but what I remember was that there were a handful of story archs that progressed through the seasons, and they kinda came and went. They weren't typically completely solved or explained, but there was at least a conclusion that made the storyline go away. I want Lost to do that. I really hope that the monster, or the hatch, or the "others" are storylines that don't last for the entire run of the show. I want there to be a conclusion to them, then have other mysteries come about to keep the survivors occupied.

I don't think that's too much too ask, and it would keep me interested in the show for much longer....

Well they kinda gave us more details about the hatch...by showing that it is just an exit (no external handle/hinges to enter from outside) to a underground area. I think the monster will be an ongoing plot development for most of the first half of Season#2.

Just in case anyone is still interested in this little bit of mystery, I happened to be looking through the May 29-June 4 of TVGuide and there is a Q&A with Lost creators JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof and they were asked about this very issue. Lindelof had this to say: "The words that Boone heard are definitely, "We're the survivors of Flight 815." That's also what Boone said, so it's up to the extrapolation as to whether or not his own words were being bounced back to him. Or is that transmission coming from somebody else claiming to be a survivor of Flight 815?".


I'm soo glad that's finally cleared up, now I know exactly what's going on. :rolleyes: :lol:

Thanks for the update, mrklixx. :)

Here are some more 2nd season spoilers from some of the cast members at a "Lost" convention in Burbank.

It says things are going to get weird next season. :hmm:

They better up the ante then if they are only just now going to get weird. :crazy:


/piece of Arzt

I am really happy they are moving the show to a 9pm slot... 8pm is just really inconvenient...

new news on next season

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Excellent. They must have realised they pissed a bunch of people off by showing nothing in the finale hehe.

all they are going to show is at the bottom of the ladder is a dark hallway....cue season 3 :)

Ultimately, they'll meet up with the good witch of the South (of France) who will kindly inform them that they could've gotten home at any time by clicking their heels together three times...

lol

i cant wait till season 2 starts... i wanna know whats down the hatch!

they'll find out it's not an island but a peninsula or something (I mean.. they haven't walked around the thing yet, have they?)

That or they'll find out it was all staged for a reality TV show.

Like the Truman Show.

And then for season 3 they'll bring in a bunch B or C list Celebrities, put them on a deserted island, or maybe in a fancy mansion, and leave them there for us to watch their every move. Oh it should be juicy! The hijinx should be uproarious!

or they introduce a new actor on the show....wilson the vollyball

but seriously cant wait till the next season...its gonna be frickin' sweet