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Sargeman · 08-13-2004, 11:23 AM

Saw this on another board and just don't know what to think.

http://movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=4798

Vin Diesel vs. 'Rocky Balboa'?
Monday, August 9th, 2004

Source: VinXperience , Dark Horizons
Rocky 6: According to The Vin Diesel Experience, actor Vin Diesel may be up for a role in Sylvester Stallone the proposed treatment of Rocky 6, playing Rocky's opponent...

"Katzenberg is in talks with Sylvester Stallone to bring Rocky over to Dreamworks. The company is quite happy with what Sly's doing for 'The Contender' and are apparently dotting i's, crossing t's, to see that Balboa can safely set up shop at the Shrek stable.

Sylvester and Sage Stallone are apparently the duo negotiating the deal (both plan to star in the film, playing father and son). The only casting rumor thats surfaced is Vin Diesel playing the new opponent. I assume he'd be playing some kind of new hot shot, because the script reeportedly revolves around Balboa's big comeback and a new hot-shot that he has to bring back down to earth".

Rocky VI hits theaters in 2004.

I just don't know if this is going too far with the Rocky series? Maybe they should have left well enough alone?

Bim · 08-13-2004, 02:46 PM

I dont get this? How could he make a "come back" when in rocky V he barely beat Tommy Gunn. He has major head damage. And cant fight. All i can think of is, him training his son to fight. But i dont think Rocky can fight anymore. So i dont under stand. heh, thats a first

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sadistikdreams · 08-13-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sargeman
The company is quite happy with what Sly's doing for 'The Contender' and are apparently dotting i's, crossing t's, to see that Balboa can safely set up shop at the Shrek stable.

That is some of the worst journalism I've ever read.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-13-2004, 06:24 PM

Oh my God. Rocky V sucked bad enough. And now Rocky VI with Vin Diesel? Sounds pretty bad. Not only that but Rocky V came out in 1990. So now 14 years later Rocky all the sudden is going to make a comeback in his mid 50's (not exactly sure what age he would be but this is what I would guess). I don't want to see a 50 year old Rocky.

They should've end at Rocky II or Rocky III, or at most Rocky IV.

saut · 08-13-2004, 08:21 PM

Seriously, they're still making Rocky movies? The franchise should have died a couple of films ago.

Fremen · 08-13-2004, 10:33 PM

Physically, Stallone looks like he will be able to do another Rocky, but I don't know about legally.
http://www.sylvesterstallone.com/fro...ry/slygym.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120879,00.html

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Sylvester Stallone on His Lawsuit Against the MGM Movie Studio
Tuesday, May 25, 2004

This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," May 24, 2004 that has been edited for clarity.

BILL O'REILLY HOST: In the "Back of the Book" segment tonight, Rocky times in Hollywood. In 1976, the movie "Rocky," starring Sylvester Stallone, won the best picture Oscar and propelled Stallone to super stardom.

Subsequently, there have been four other "Rocky" movies, all of which made tons of dough. In fact, it's estimated that MGM has raked in almost $2 billion from this franchise.

Now, Mr. Stallone would like to make "Rocky VI," but the movie studio is frustrating him.

He joins us now from Los Angeles, where he has filed a lawsuit against MGM.

And the lawsuit says, what, Mr. Stallone?

STALLONE: Well, thank you, Bill, for having me on. It said this, basically, that they really don't want to make it in such a way that it's become very personal and egocentric and has nothing to do with good business sense or just ethical partnerships.

O'REILLY: Yes, it is personal. They gave us a statement late this afternoon. It says that Stallone's lawsuit is "sad, desperate, pathetic" and without merit.

STALLON:E: Maybe. And that's the way the negotiations have been going, which is sad.

Because what would have happened originally, I was in Las Vegas two years ago. And Kirk Kerkorian, who owns MGM, said why don't you do another "Rocky"? So I said fine.

He says -- said call by -- the man who runs the studio, Alex Yemanagian (ph), and tell him. So I did. And he goes, "Why are you going over my head?"

I said, "I didn't go over your head." Your boss came to me and said would you like to do this? I said sure, I would love to do it.

And from that point on, he had said to one of my agents, no one ever lords over him. And I knew from that point on...

O'REILLY: You were in trouble. But Kerkorian, the big shot here, could solve this in a heartbeat by saying, "We want to do the movie, I'm the guy. And we're going to do that." But he hasn't done that.

STALLONE: No, no. He really didn't want to step up at all. But we still came through with the script, and they wanted to make the script.

But all of the sudden, one of the producers, Irvin Winkler (ph), who I hadn't heard of in three years, said, "I have veto rights."

And I went, "Why would you want to do this, Irvin? I mean, we've done 25 years worth of these films. Why would you veto it? I didn't do anything to you."

And I couldn't get through to him for, like, nine months. When I finally did get through to him, he told. Christopher Gerck (ph), who is one of the presidents of the studio, over his dead body would this ever be made unless his son directs it.

O'REILLY: You know, I don't understand any of this, because it would be a moneymaker. You could bring it in, if you deferred some salary on it, which I'm sure you would.

You could bring in $20 million or so and just foreign rights alone would find the -- But this reinforce what is we all think about Hollywood, Mr. Stallone, that it's full of egotistical weasels, who you have to kiss their butts to get anything done. And if you cross them or even if they think you crossed them, they go out for revenge.

So your lawsuit, whether it has merit or not, I don't know, just reinforces what a jungle Hollywood is.

STALLONE: Hollywood is a tough place. But there are really a lot of very good, ethical, wonderful filmmakers out here, and they do play straight.

And I've had some incredibly wonderful relationships with them and successful ones. This one is the odd one because I have been close to Irvin Winkler for -- I got married at his house. I mean, I was a keynote speaker when he got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

And for him to just turn his back on me, I never understood it. His partner is a great guy who's also been basically ignored by MGM. And I just wish that the whole -- see, the Rocky saga, I had a completion to it and I really had a vision for it.

And I thought that it was full of merit, and I said if MGM, if you don't want to do it, three other studios would put up the money and they would do it. And I said, great, you guys can share in the profit and the MGM shareholders would also make a profit.

But they literally have made it so difficult that no one can make any money and basically killed -- killed off Rocky. And I just thought, you know, in the tradition of the character, I think it would be terrible to at least not try to go down without a fight.

O'REILLY: Are you worried that this will blackball you in Hollywood? You know how those people, if you cause trouble and all of that. Are you worried about all of that?

STALLONE: No. Because like I said, the studios, there's a lot of great personnel.

This is just a situation where I think if you don't speak up, you have to live in this kind of, like, terrible silence, knowing that you didn't defend what you know is ethically right.

And I really do in my heart want to complete this series for my own personal reasons and for the people that have been so true to the character all these years. And I just want to give it a fighting chance. And if I don't, Bill, I think I would regret it my whole life.

O'REILLY: All right. Well, we will follow the case, and we appreciate you coming on to tell us about it. MGM, of course, welcome if they want to, also but they just issued a statement. I think that's where it will lie.

Mr. Stallone, thanks very much and good luck to you.

STALLONE: Thank you very much.

tropple · 08-14-2004, 11:42 AM

oh, dear god in heaven. Not another Rocky movie...

Wasn't "Rocky" old and brain damaged in the last one? Can't he just die?

Ace_O_Spades · 08-14-2004, 03:57 PM

I know exactly what to think..... "pass"

skinnymofo · 08-14-2004, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Starman Deluxe
I dont get this? How could he make a "come back" when in rocky V he barely beat Tommy Gunn. He has major head damage. And cant fight. All i can think of is, him training his son to fight. But i dont think Rocky can fight anymore. So i dont under stand. heh, thats a first .

he beat up tommy easily in the start of the fight and walked away. Tommy then came back on got him from behind before rocky got back into it.
Atleast thats how i remember it...
ps stallone is still buff but he looks a little vericose (did i spell that right?) to look like a boxer in my opinion

KellyC · 08-15-2004, 07:29 PM

I was watching Rocky V the other day and I thought about them* making another Rocky movie...whadayakno? I'll probably pass on this or at most bittorrent it. The Rocky series should have ended at IV, which is the best one.

gorilla · 08-15-2004, 07:37 PM

Rocky V was shit, why make another?!

Kostya · 08-16-2004, 04:09 AM

That's what they said after Rocky III...

but Rocky IV was the greatest... I mean seriously, he not only managed to take hundreds of punches directly to the face, he then managed to end the Cold War, honestly, everyone's talking about Reagan, what about Balboa's articulate 'You can all change' speech? EVEN Gorby clapped it, and he was evillllllllllllllllllll....

The answer is... money...

What happened to the good old days when Stallone was a legitimate actor in such classic action violence-fests as Death Race 2000 and Rambo III?

What a sellout, the only way this movie will be cool will be if Rocky fights to save his fellow vegetables from the tyrannical nursing home staff, and if it has exploding arrows...

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-16-2004, 11:21 AM

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he then managed to end the Cold War, honestly, everyone's talking about Reagan, what about Balboa's articulate 'You can all change' speech?

Man, that speech has got to be the cheesiest speech I've ever heard in a movie. I couldn't help but laugh watching it, it was so bad.

08-13-2004, 11:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sargeman Insane Location: Texas	Rocky vs Diesel - Don't know what to think. Saw this on another board and just don't know what to think. http://movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=4798 Vin Diesel vs. 'Rocky Balboa'? Monday, August 9th, 2004 Source: VinXperience , Dark Horizons Rocky 6: According to The Vin Diesel Experience, actor Vin Diesel may be up for a role in Sylvester Stallone the proposed treatment of Rocky 6, playing Rocky's opponent... "Katzenberg is in talks with Sylvester Stallone to bring Rocky over to Dreamworks. The company is quite happy with what Sly's doing for 'The Contender' and are apparently dotting i's, crossing t's, to see that Balboa can safely set up shop at the Shrek stable. Sylvester and Sage Stallone are apparently the duo negotiating the deal (both plan to star in the film, playing father and son). The only casting rumor thats surfaced is Vin Diesel playing the new opponent. I assume he'd be playing some kind of new hot shot, because the script reeportedly revolves around Balboa's big comeback and a new hot-shot that he has to bring back down to earth". Rocky VI hits theaters in 2004. I just don't know if this is going too far with the Rocky series? Maybe they should have left well enough alone? __________________ ...because there are no facts, there is no truth, just data to be manipulated. I can get you any results you like, what's it worth to you.....

08-13-2004, 02:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bim Crazy Location: Onett, EagleLand	I dont get this? How could he make a "come back" when in rocky V he barely beat Tommy Gunn. He has major head damage. And cant fight. All i can think of is, him training his son to fight. But i dont think Rocky can fight anymore. So i dont under stand. heh, thats a first . __________________ "If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno, you will won't." -Guy in Moonside

08-13-2004, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	Oh my God. Rocky V sucked bad enough. And now Rocky VI with Vin Diesel? Sounds pretty bad. Not only that but Rocky V came out in 1990. So now 14 years later Rocky all the sudden is going to make a comeback in his mid 50's (not exactly sure what age he would be but this is what I would guess). I don't want to see a 50 year old Rocky. They should've end at Rocky II or Rocky III, or at most Rocky IV. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

08-14-2004, 11:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
tropple Junkie	oh, dear god in heaven. Not another Rocky movie... Wasn't "Rocky" old and brain damaged in the last one? Can't he just die? __________________ +++++++++++Boom!

08-14-2004, 03:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	I know exactly what to think..... "pass" __________________ Feh.

08-13-2004, 08:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
saut Registered User Location: Pittsburgh	Seriously, they're still making Rocky movies? The franchise should have died a couple of films ago.

08-15-2004, 07:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
KellyC Comment or else!! Location: Home sweet home	I was watching Rocky V the other day and I thought about them* making another Rocky movie...whadayakno? I'll probably pass on this or at most bittorrent it. The Rocky series should have ended at IV, which is the best one.

08-15-2004, 07:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
gorilla Insane Location: USA	Rocky V was shit, why make another?! __________________ I'll bet you $5 that you read the previous word...

08-16-2004, 04:09 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kostya Little known... Location: Brisbane, Australia	That's what they said after Rocky III... but Rocky IV was the greatest... I mean seriously, he not only managed to take hundreds of punches directly to the face, he then managed to end the Cold War, honestly, everyone's talking about Reagan, what about Balboa's articulate 'You can all change' speech? EVEN Gorby clapped it, and he was evillllllllllllllllllll.... The answer is... money... What happened to the good old days when Stallone was a legitimate actor in such classic action violence-fests as Death Race 2000 and Rambo III? What a sellout, the only way this movie will be cool will be if Rocky fights to save his fellow vegetables from the tyrannical nursing home staff, and if it has exploding arrows... Last edited by Kostya; 08-16-2004 at 04:11 AM..