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Ace_O_Spades · 07-11-2004, 11:15 AM

Stranger in a Strange Land
Time Enough for Love

I started Time Enough for Love yesterday but fell asleep during... i was too tired to be reading, but so far it's interesting... has an Asimov feel to it.

Fremen · 07-11-2004, 11:54 AM

I've only read Starship Troopers by Heinlein.
I need to get on the ball.

Kadath · 07-11-2004, 02:40 PM

Are you reading the uncut Stranger? You really should be.

SinisterMotives · 07-11-2004, 08:36 PM

I don't think I'd compare Time Enough for Love to any Asimov I've ever read. Asimov's stories, while interesting, are rather dry and humorless. Heinlein's later works were pretty zany.

tropple · 07-12-2004, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Ace_O_Spades
Stranger in a Strange Land
Time Enough for Love

I started Time Enough for Love yesterday but fell asleep during... i was too tired to be reading, but so far it's interesting... has an Asimov feel to it.

Get a copy of Methuselah's Children, too, for some back story on Lazarus Long.

Ace_O_Spades · 07-12-2004, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by SinisterMotives
I don't think I'd compare Time Enough for Love to any Asimov I've ever read. Asimov's stories, while interesting, are rather dry and humorless. Heinlein's later works were pretty zany.

keep in mind that this was after reading around 10 pages... very very EARLY impression

I can see it's fleshing out nicely though, so as I get further in, the gap grows.

And I don't know if i'm reading the uncut version... let me check.... ehh i have NO idea... how can i check this? It doesn't say anywhere.

tropple · 07-12-2004, 09:26 AM

The unabridged version always makes a point of mentioning this on the cover. It was released in 1991 and right now I believe it is the only version in print.

There is really no way to compare Asimov and Heinlein. I've read some Asimov stories and always found them to be well written and generally boring.

RAH's tales, on the other hand, always had something happening, almost always had some underlying concept of patriotism. loyalty, sacrifice, responsibility, and duty. Not always a popular mix for many people, hence the chopped-to-hell movie versions of Starship Troopers and The Puppet Masters.

Heinlein's idea of patriotism goes much deeper than the "My Country, Right or Wrong," idea. It is a feeling towards for the nation's well-being rather than one of love for its leadership, which he often demontrates in pointed manners. You'll see in SiaSL, note Jubal's ideas...

There are a number of other stories where this is demonstrated, Revolt in 2100, Coventry, Citizen of the Galaxy, Sixth Column, etc. You won't usually can't wrong with a Heinlein novel, though i admit that I didn't like "The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag, Job, or Number of the Beast.

SinisterMotives · 07-12-2004, 10:47 AM

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought some actual new Heinlein novels had been released. There was talk awhile back of one that had been uncovered from his early career that couldn't be published at the time because it contained the same sort of frankness about sexuality that characterizes his later works. Has anyone else heard about this?

Ace_O_Spades · 07-12-2004, 11:05 AM

^That would be sweet

platypus · 07-12-2004, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by tropple
I've read some Asimov stories and always found them to be well written and generally boring.

Not suprising as he also wrote many hard science books (fiction not included).

SinisterMotives · 07-12-2004, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by platypus
Not suprising as he also wrote many hard science books (fiction not included).

Indeed. Today and Tomorrow and... is one of my favorite science books for the layman.

tropple · 07-13-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by SinisterMotives
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought some actual new Heinlein novels had been released. There was talk awhile back of one that had been uncovered from his early career that couldn't be published at the time because it contained the same sort of frankness about sexuality that characterizes his later works. Has anyone else heard about this?

Yep, though the description sounds more like that presented when Stranger was re-published.

A 1938 manuscript was just published recently. It's not a stellar work, but okay if you're a fan.

Go here for everything you could ever want to know:

http://heinleinsociety.org/

SinisterMotives · 07-13-2004, 05:47 PM

Thanks for the link, Tropple.

wonderwench · 07-13-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by SinisterMotives
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought some actual new Heinlein novels had been released. There was talk awhile back of one that had been uncovered from his early career that couldn't be published at the time because it contained the same sort of frankness about sexuality that characterizes his later works. Has anyone else heard about this?

I had the same thought. "For Us, The Living" was recently published. I haven't heard of any others.

QuasiMojo · 07-14-2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Kadath
Are you reading the uncut Stranger? You really should be.

The Uncut Stranger? I heard thats about the fear of circumcision...

HeeHa...I just finished "The Man Who Sold The Moon" which includes the stories
"Let there be Light,The Roads Must Roll(i like that one best),Requiem, Lifeline, and Blowups Happen"
solid Sci- fi from the 40's. I like the quote in the preface that goes
It does not pay a prophet to be to specific
- L. Sprague de Camp

I think "The Roads..." really foreshadows the emergence of the Labor Unions.
I have yet to read "Stranger...I should get it or borrow it and yes I shall seek out the uncut version.

SinisterMotives · 07-14-2004, 01:09 PM

QuasiMojo, those stories were collected in a big volume called The Past Through Tomorrow when I read them years ago. Together they make a thrilling alternate history of Man's first steps into space.

Keedo · 07-14-2004, 03:13 PM

Only thing i really read from him is "Starship Troopers" while i was in college. My prof had a long discussion about the idea of Governement Service as a prerequisite for Citizenship. He was pretty much agast at the thought of having to do militery service.

tropple · 07-15-2004, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by QuasiMojo
The Uncut Stranger? I heard thats about the fear of circumcision...

HeeHa...I just finished "The Man Who Sold The Moon" which includes the stories
"Let there be Light,The Roads Must Roll(i like that one best),Requiem, Lifeline, and Blowups Happen"
solid Sci- fi from the 40's. I like the quote in the preface that goes
It does not pay a prophet to be to specific
- L. Sprague de Camp

I think "The Roads..." really foreshadows the emergence of the Labor Unions.
I have yet to read "Stranger...I should get it or borrow it and yes I shall seek out the uncut version.

A later novel centering on Lazarus Long's mother also has quite a bit of dealing with Mr. Harriman.

As for Roads and Labor Unions, you are not quite on target there. There are no longer any true craft unions in the US. The organization in Roads is a quasi-military organization strongly dedicated to public service. Remember the mentions of "Cadets?"

That is is a common theme in many of RAH's works, the idea that a group of people could be completely self-sacrificing and dedicated to protecting others or providing a service to mankind.

Too bad it is seldom recognized and often belittled as a goal.

ubertuber · 07-15-2004, 08:26 AM

The novel dealing with LL's mother is TO Sail Beyond the Sunset. So, if you like Lazarus (and who wouldn't), read Time Enough for Love, Methuselah's Children, and To Sail Beyond the Sunset.

best. author. ever.

tropple · 07-15-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by ubertuber
The novel dealing with LL's mother is TO Sail Beyond the Sunset. So, if you like Lazarus (and who wouldn't), read Time Enough for Love, Methuselah's Children, and To Sail Beyond the Sunset.

best. author. ever.

Yeah. I second that. You can't go far wrong having your children read Heinlein, early, before the damned school teachers can warp their minds.

rekinom · 07-17-2004, 06:38 AM

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ubertuber · 07-17-2004, 03:21 PM

no kidding - sometimes I wished I lived in that world...

Sparhawk · 07-17-2004, 08:52 PM

I loved "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." I used to use Mike as my screenname in various games, but it became annoying after meeting several folks in real life.

07-11-2004, 11:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	Two new Heinlein Books Stranger in a Strange Land Time Enough for Love I started Time Enough for Love yesterday but fell asleep during... i was too tired to be reading, but so far it's interesting... has an Asimov feel to it. __________________ Feh.

07-11-2004, 11:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	I've only read Starship Troopers by Heinlein. I need to get on the ball. __________________ Google

07-11-2004, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Are you reading the uncut Stranger? You really should be. __________________ it's quiet in here

07-12-2004, 09:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
tropple Junkie	The unabridged version always makes a point of mentioning this on the cover. It was released in 1991 and right now I believe it is the only version in print. There is really no way to compare Asimov and Heinlein. I've read some Asimov stories and always found them to be well written and generally boring. RAH's tales, on the other hand, always had something happening, almost always had some underlying concept of patriotism. loyalty, sacrifice, responsibility, and duty. Not always a popular mix for many people, hence the chopped-to-hell movie versions of Starship Troopers and The Puppet Masters. Heinlein's idea of patriotism goes much deeper than the "My Country, Right or Wrong," idea. It is a feeling towards for the nation's well-being rather than one of love for its leadership, which he often demontrates in pointed manners. You'll see in SiaSL, note Jubal's ideas... There are a number of other stories where this is demonstrated, Revolt in 2100, Coventry, Citizen of the Galaxy, Sixth Column, etc. You won't usually can't wrong with a Heinlein novel, though i admit that I didn't like "The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag, Job, or Number of the Beast. __________________ +++++++++++Boom! Last edited by tropple; 07-12-2004 at 09:28 AM..

07-12-2004, 11:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	^That would be sweet __________________ Feh.

07-11-2004, 08:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	I don't think I'd compare Time Enough for Love to any Asimov I've ever read. Asimov's stories, while interesting, are rather dry and humorless. Heinlein's later works were pretty zany.

07-12-2004, 10:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	When I saw the title of this thread, I thought some actual new Heinlein novels had been released. There was talk awhile back of one that had been uncovered from his early career that couldn't be published at the time because it contained the same sort of frankness about sexuality that characterizes his later works. Has anyone else heard about this?

07-13-2004, 05:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	Thanks for the link, Tropple.

07-14-2004, 01:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	QuasiMojo, those stories were collected in a big volume called The Past Through Tomorrow when I read them years ago. Together they make a thrilling alternate history of Man's first steps into space.

07-14-2004, 03:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
Keedo Tilted	Only thing i really read from him is "Starship Troopers" while i was in college. My prof had a long discussion about the idea of Governement Service as a prerequisite for Citizenship. He was pretty much agast at the thought of having to do militery service.

07-15-2004, 08:26 AM	#19 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	The novel dealing with LL's mother is TO Sail Beyond the Sunset. So, if you like Lazarus (and who wouldn't), read Time Enough for Love, Methuselah's Children, and To Sail Beyond the Sunset. best. author. ever. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

07-17-2004, 06:38 AM	#21 (permalink)
rekinom Crazy	Post removed. Last edited by rekinom; 06-04-2006 at 06:25 AM..

07-17-2004, 03:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	no kidding - sometimes I wished I lived in that world... __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

07-17-2004, 08:52 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	I loved "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." I used to use Mike as my screenname in various games, but it became annoying after meeting several folks in real life. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."