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pinkie 07-01-2004 09:20 AM

Fahrenheit 911
 
Anybody seen it?

Rubyee 07-01-2004 09:37 AM

Nope, but I really want to. It looks like he really pieced together some good clips.

pinkie 07-01-2004 09:56 AM

I've heard from a lot of people that it was brilliant. I'm hoping to see it this weekend.

Quadraton 07-01-2004 10:14 AM

Everybody I've talked to said they really enjoyed it. I was planning on waiting for the DVD like I did with Bowling for Columbine, but I think I might take some time to see this one in the theatres.

silent_jay 07-01-2004 10:35 AM

Saw it at a friends place last night, great movie, go see it, download it, just watch it, you won't be disappointed.

BonneFan 07-01-2004 11:11 AM

Excellent movie, saw it last night, brings up a lot of issues.

Watch this movie!

soccerchamp76 07-01-2004 11:12 AM

Has some funny moments and brings about a ton of questions about the Bush administration.

sherpahigh 07-01-2004 01:35 PM

Gonna pass on this one after seeing BFC. I'm sure it's great entertainment and all, but I'm not gonna line his pockets for producing something so biased and labeling it as a documentary.

Vales419 07-01-2004 02:35 PM

My wife and I saw it last weekend and we thought it was fucking brilliant. It did have its funny parts which all MM films do, but all the research and time that he put into this movie is amazing. He gives his opinion on Bush and the administration, but he really leaves the choice to believe him or not up to the person watching the movie. We felt it was scary, shocking and well just plain o'l fucked up that our government is this fucked up. I highly recommend all people to go see it and make the choice yourself if we have been lied to over the last 4 years.

V.

docbungle 07-01-2004 05:12 PM

Saw it. While I did not think it was as good as Bowling for Columbine, I did enjoy it. It was a little long, and dragged at times. A little too sentimental at other times. Overall a good movie with lots of unexpected humor that makes you laugh even if you don't want to.

Two thumbs up.

trickyy 07-01-2004 09:20 PM

i wish he wouldnt make a movie that is so easily attacked...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

this article is written by someone who used to write for The Nation lest you think i am a clueless neoconservative.

there are real problems with our foreign policy, and the movie depicts some of this. however, i think there are also real problems with MM's method.

but i guess thats okay if it fools people into voting donkey...right?

matteo101 07-02-2004 10:26 AM

Right!

Kazic 07-02-2004 10:33 AM

I saw it and while I am not American it scares me to think that the Bush Admin acted in such ways.
Funny at times but it does beg answers to alot of questions I think alot of people will have.

ChrisJericho 07-02-2004 02:29 PM

I downloaded it off bit-torrent. It was pretty good, I like the depth to which he goes into the Saudi connections.

maximusveritas 07-02-2004 05:50 PM

I saw it and thought it was pretty good on the whole.
I thought the whole thing on the Bush-Saudi link was very weak. It's now the source of most of the criticism of the film. It's too bad since the rest of the film, especially the parts on the Iraq War, is very good.
If you're watching the beginning of the movie and think its all BS, just wait because it does get much better in my opinion at least.

sadatx 07-03-2004 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by trickyy
but i guess thats okay if it fools people into voting donkey...right?
Not in my opinion. It's never good to trick someone into voting a certain way.

And that's exactly what I think Moore is trying to do.

But liberals have been wanting their own Rush Limbaugh and now they got him. Now both parties are fighting with the same weapons and who cares if the truth gets lost along the way.

What matters is which party is the best manipulator. And, at present, it seems that the Democrats have edge with Moore (cause they certainly aren't going to beat Druggie Limbaugh with that stupid ass Air America).

And please, no more comments on what a great filmmaker Moore is. Because he's not. Even back when I was a fan (as I once was), I didn't think he was a great filmmaker. But he was able to make great satires anyway.

Now with each new film he's just becoming more and more just an idiot with a camera crew.

thespian86 07-04-2004 05:48 AM

I'm going to see it today... can't wait

bartgroks 07-04-2004 12:24 PM

It's a great flick. There was nothing new introduced for anyone who makes a habit of avoids using the US corporate biased media as a news source. It's assertations are factual. If they were not we would have already seen multiple slander lawsuits. The really important thing about it is all the facts are now out there for the general public to see.

Also of interest is that Micheal Moore is encouraging people to pirate the film. The MPAA is not amused.

Strange Famous 07-04-2004 12:29 PM

I like Michael Moore, he is just so passionate about what he believes... he sees a lot that is wrong with the world and reveals it, even if he doesnt offer any really credible alternatives. I mean, who couldnt love him going after Heston the way he did in BFC?

thespian86 07-04-2004 02:44 PM

Just got home and I am shocked. I was amazed by this film. It almost made me cry, I laughed at George Bush so much that I cried. Great film. Deserved Cannes Film award.

splck 07-05-2004 02:13 PM

Downloaded it last night and watched it today. The Bush-Saudi link is some wierd shit. I wonder how anybody could look up to the man.
Two thumbsup from me.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rdr4evr 07-05-2004 07:25 PM

Excellent movie. Fuels my hatred for that child killing, money grubbing piece of shit murderer Bush. I pray to god he pays for all the innnocent people he has killed. I truly hope he is killed in the most brutal and painful way imaginable.

I felt like this before the movie, and even more after.

trickyy 07-05-2004 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sadatx
It's never good to trick someone into voting a certain way.

And please, no more comments on what a great filmmaker Moore is. Because he's not.

Now with each new film he's just becoming more and more just an idiot with a camera crew.

i don't think it's ideal to fool the electorate either. he is indeed using a bit of the dark side's methods against them.

IFC is showing a lot of interviews with moore because they have a stake in the film. at his cannes acceptance speech, he mentioned the "art of film". kind of ridiculous...i don't see where the "art" really factors into his work.

his writing style is equally lacking. not that i'm a great writer, but i know crappy writing when i see it. he wrote the LA Times editorial last sunday. his heart could be in the right place, but the column utilized phony nostalgia and slight contradictions (first he chastises flag-wavers, then explains why he will hold up the flag).

but whatever...he only has a high school education so i shouldn't be too harsh

SecretMethod70 07-06-2004 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherpahigh
I'm sure it's great entertainment and all, but I'm not gonna line his pockets for producing something so biased and labeling it as a documentary.
Quote:

Originally posted by sadatx
Not in my opinion. It's never good to trick someone into voting a certain way.

And that's exactly what I think Moore is trying to do.

But liberals have been wanting their own Rush Limbaugh and now they got him. Now both parties are fighting with the same weapons and who cares if the truth gets lost along the way.

What matters is which party is the best manipulator. And, at present, it seems that the Democrats have edge with Moore (cause they certainly aren't going to beat Druggie Limbaugh with that stupid ass Air America).

And please, no more comments on what a great filmmaker Moore is. Because he's not. Even back when I was a fan (as I once was), I didn't think he was a great filmmaker. But he was able to make great satires anyway.

Now with each new film he's just becoming more and more just an idiot with a camera crew.

Quote:

Originally posted by trickyy
i don't think it's ideal to fool the electorate either. he is indeed using a bit of the dark side's methods against them.

IFC is showing a lot of interviews with moore because they have a stake in the film. at his cannes acceptance speech, he mentioned the "art of film". kind of ridiculous...i don't see where the "art" really factors into his work.

his writing style is equally lacking. not that i'm a great writer, but i know crappy writing when i see it. he wrote the LA Times editorial last sunday. his heart could be in the right place, but the column utilized phony nostalgia and slight contradictions (first he chastises flag-wavers, then explains why he will hold up the flag).

but whatever...he only has a high school education so i shouldn't be too harsh

No point in me typing up a reply when it's all been said for me ;)

seretogis 07-06-2004 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rdr4evr
Excellent movie. Fuels my hatred for that child killing, money grubbing piece of shit murderer Bush. I pray to god he pays for all the innnocent people he has killed. I truly hope he is killed in the most brutal and painful way imaginable.

I felt like this before the movie, and even more after.

And here we have an example of the lowest-common-denominator that Moore's "films" cater to.

That was sarcasm, right?

warrrreagl 07-06-2004 06:01 AM

My wife and I saw it last night. Watch carefully for one of the funniest moments, which is when Michael Moore compares Bush's military service records with the Before and After versions. When he points out that Bush was disciplined for refusing to take his medical exam, the background music plays about three seconds of Clapton's "Cocaine." It's a scream, but a fast one.

sherpahigh 07-06-2004 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strange Famous
I mean, who couldnt love him going after Heston the way he did in BFC?

That's a great example why I dislike the guy so much. Pretty classy to take clips of Heston's speech and present them in such a way that the real message Heston was conveying get's twisted around to play into Moores hand. And how hard is it to attack a guy that is in the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s? Real classy.

Rdr4evr 07-06-2004 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
And here we have an example of the lowest-common-denominator that Moore's "films" cater to.

That was sarcasm, right?

Actually this is the first Moore film I have seen. Secondly, I said that is the way I felt before the movie, and just more so afterwards. But your right, Bush should'nt be killed in the most brutal and painful way imaginable, I take that back, its too good for him. He should suffer in the most painful way imaginable till his death. Even that is going easy on him.

Whether you hate Moore or consider him bias, what he displayed on screen is all factual. You can be a Bush lover for the rest of your life for all I care. Your the type of person that probably couldnt care less that innocent women and children are being murdered so Bush could fill his pockets. Either that or you are probably blind and will follow anything your 'leader' tells you so you can be a 'good american citizen'.

Its extremely scary to know that over 40% of this country is for 'Dubya'. Hell, we might as well put Saddam in power of the US. He is no different than Bush. They both have the same agenda.

But lets forget all the fuck ups this hillbilly has made, after all, we gotz to git us sum towel heds.

Kadath 07-06-2004 09:35 AM

It did drag, and there were some parts that frustrated me (namely the heavy conspiracy overtones about the Bush-Saudi link -- while I know there are connections, it was oversold somewhat) but I was pleased with the film and found it an effective piece of media.

warrrreagl 07-06-2004 09:40 AM

A fistfight nearly broke out several rows in front of us, as an angry liberal shushed an angry conservative behind him (exact words: "Goddamn it, shut the hell up!"). Have any of the rest of you witnessed this in your theatres?

sadatx 07-06-2004 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by warrrreagl
A fistfight nearly broke out several rows in front of us, as an angry liberal shushed an angry conservative behind him (exact words: "Goddamn it, shut the hell up!"). Have any of the rest of you witnessed this in your theatres?

Some people walked out when I saw it, but that's about it.

That's pretty funny. I'm sure Moore would love to hear that. He'd take it as a compliment that his movie incites fights instead of opening up communication between the two parties.

But Moore's just concerned with polarizing people.

The movie raked in another $20 Mil this weekend. How depressing.

matteo101 07-06-2004 12:25 PM

Good because he is giving 60 percent net profits to charity, I hope this movie makes as much as it possibly can.

seretogis 07-06-2004 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rdr4evr
Actually this is the first Moore film I have seen. Secondly, I said that is the way I felt before the movie, and just more so afterwards. But your right, Bush should'nt be killed in the most brutal and painful way imaginable, I take that back, its too good for him. He should suffer in the most painful way imaginable till his death. Even that is going easy on him.
Ordinarily I would suggest seeing BFC for examples of Moore's use of "editorial liberties" when making a film, but I think you need to take care of that anger management issue first.

Quote:

Originally posted by Rdr4evr Whether you hate Moore or consider him bias, what he displayed on screen is all factual. You can be a Bush lover for the rest of your life for all I care. Your the type of person that probably couldnt care less that innocent women and children are being murdered so Bush could fill his pockets. Either that or you are probably blind and will follow anything your 'leader' tells you so you can be a 'good american citizen'.
Wow, I don't like Moore so I am automatically a "Bush-lover" and indifferent to women and children being murdered for profit? Amazing conclusion, you really pegged me good. You must be one of them thar book-learned intellectual types to have classified me so well. Thank you for opening my eyes.

Quote:

Originally posted by Rdr4evr Its extremely scary to know that over 40% of this country is for 'Dubya'. Hell, we might as well put Saddam in power of the US. He is no different than Bush. They both have the same agenda.

But lets forget all the fuck ups this hillbilly has made, after all, we gotz to git us sum towel heds.

It's more scary that some people are so oblivious as to be unable to make any point without ridiculous generalizations as basis and unprovable nonsense as argument.

Rdr4evr 07-06-2004 01:33 PM

Quote:

It's more scary that some people are so oblivious as to be unable to make any point without ridiculous generalizations as basis and unprovable nonsense as argument. [/B]

Give me a break with this 'ridiculous generalizations' BS. That is used way too often.

What do I need to prove? Its all been proven. Bush is a murderer, Bush is greedy, Bush doesnt give a shit about his people or country, Bush has fucked up the economy, Bush is selfish, Bush is a liar, Bush is more worried about his golf game than his homeland, Bush won because of a rigged election, etc etc etc.

Now you tell me Saddam is not everyone of those things either. The facts are there, the facts are simple. Do you want a link for every single thing I mentioned? I will glad to post it for you. Why does everything always have to be so complicated. There is no deep meaning, its as simple as that.

seretogis 07-06-2004 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rdr4evr
Give me a break with this 'ridiculous generalizations' BS. That is used way too often.

What do I need to prove? Its all been proven. Bush is a murderer, Bush is greedy, Bush doesnt give a shit about his people or country, Bush has fucked up the economy, Bush is selfish, Bush is a liar, Bush is more worried about his golf game than his homeland, Bush won because of a rigged election, etc etc etc.

Now you tell me Saddam is not everyone of those things either. The facts are there, the facts are simple. Do you want a link for every single thing I mentioned? I will glad to post it for you. Why does everything always have to be so complicated. There is no deep meaning, its as simple as that.

Wow. That is an impressive amount of unsubstantiated paranoia and ignorant finger-pointing. Don't soil the word "facts" by suggesting that any of those ridiculous claims can be proven by a legitimate source.

Rdr4evr 07-06-2004 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
Wow. That is an impressive amount of unsubstantiated paranoia and ignorant finger-pointing. Don't soil the word "facts" by suggesting that any of those ridiculous claims can be proven by a legitimate source.
Ok, Im not wasting time anymore, obviosly you will keep using your little generalization excuse rather than prove me wrong. Those are facts. How can you not see that. Is bush not all those things I mentioned? Like I said, do you want links? I assume your idea of a legitimate source is FOX news, correct? Maybe CNN?

Stop using the same lame comeback. You will have your chance to vote in November, and maybe if your lucky, he will get re-elected and go to war with Syria and Iran.

FaderMonkey 07-06-2004 02:44 PM

Before I say what I thought of the movie, I guess I should mention that I despise Bush, and that is not based on what other people say I should think, but just my own opinion. With that said, I was really disappointed in the movie. The way Moore puts together his information is very boring. It got to a point about 3/4 of the was into the film where I felt like leaving. I know the information he's giving isn't really "entertaining" information, but if you're going to make a movie of it you've got to present it in at least a somewhat entertaining way.

I've read that many people like the fact that Moore spends most of the time behind the camera. I agree I guess except that if he's going to do that, he should have done it for the whole film. There are only two or three typical "Moore" moments in the film, but they feel really out of place.

assilem 07-06-2004 03:45 PM

*whacking off* Wow, that was the best! I just saw the movie and I could not wait to get home and rub one off. I think I am going to buy the DVD when it comes out. I will watch it and beat it all day long. Everyday!

End sarcasm here--------------------------------

I did see the film. I hate MM. I hate his politics. However, it was a well made film. I've also seen BFC and Roger & Me. Both good movies.

matteo101 07-06-2004 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FaderMonkey
The way Moore puts together his information is very boring. It got to a point about 3/4 of the was into the film where I felt like leaving.
Could I ask which part of the movie you thought was boring? The entire movie for me anyways, was interesting, funny, emotional etc.

Keedo 07-10-2004 06:26 PM

nope, have no desire to see it.


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