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gdr2004 · 06-15-2004, 03:19 PM

There is a new documentary coming out. It looks REALLY interesting! I can't wait. I'll save my opinions on Michael Moore however. (I don't like him very much)

Here is an interesting snippet from the web-site.

Contrary to its title, Michael Moore Hates America isn’t a hatchet job on the filmmaker.

Just from the title alone, it seems like it would be nothing but a hatchet job, but I think this movie looks very promising. I just hope it won't be a Michael Moore clone though. The irony of it all :-p

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_sm.html <--- trailer

choskins · 06-15-2004, 03:36 PM

I don't like it, only because it gives Michael Moore the precious attention he craves.

canuckguy · 06-15-2004, 04:26 PM

he may crave attention but i've always felt he has correct in his views. only really going off the move bfc. but made sense to me. looking forward to seeing his new movie.

Mehoni · 06-16-2004, 04:41 AM

I despise the title. It's in the same category as "If you don't like it here, move".

monkeydriven · 06-16-2004, 05:03 AM

Yeah, great trailer....he interviews the great political mind Penn Jillette...wow, sounds like this movie will really expose the real issues. Give me a break. Moore has the guts to expose the corruption and hypocrasy of the powers that be...he doesn't hate America, he wishes it were run better....

LordEden · 06-16-2004, 08:06 AM

I'd watch it, just like assholes everyone has an opinion. Moore is just really loud with his.

the_marq · 06-16-2004, 02:15 PM

If nothing else Micheal Moore is good at stirring up conversation.
B for C was the biggest snow job documentary ever made, and that's why people are talking about it still.

I like the idea of someone making a Doc about Moore himself, should be funny to see how he reacts to the same sort of ambush that he subjected Heston to. I look fwd to watching Tubby squirm and try to dodge explaining his twisted views.

thespian86 · 06-18-2004, 12:30 PM

He doesn't hate America, he hates how it is run

Latch · 06-20-2004, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by LordEden
I'd watch it, just like assholes everyone has an opinion. Moore is just really loud with his.

really loud with his asshole or his opinion?

I'm guessing both hehe.

I'm not a fan of Michael Moore. I thought BfC was really good, but then I read some stuff about how manipulated it was.. and that pissed me off. I expected some of that, but not to the extent that it was done (I think I read the comments on Bowling for Truth or some site with a similar name). Anyways, this may be good to watch/promote to see how Michael Moore handles it.

Ace_O_Spades · 06-20-2004, 08:25 AM

HA! I'm really looking forward to this, if only for the reason mentioned above that I want to see how Moore reacts to his own Geurilla tactics

matteo101 · 06-20-2004, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by punkmusicfan21
He doesn't hate America, he hates how it is run

Exactly. And if he does hate america, whats it to us? Alot of people hate the countries they live in, is it a crime?

nanofever · 06-20-2004, 04:17 PM

Wow, that guy really knows how to boost MM's ego. MM thrives on pissing people off, upsetting the status quo and being an annoying person in general. By creating a documentary devoted to MM being an ass, the guy behind this is just pumping MM's ego into the sky.

wraithhibn · 06-20-2004, 04:18 PM

The question is, will Moore make movies like BfC and F9/11 if a democrat was running the country? I think not.

Lebell · 06-20-2004, 04:54 PM

I hate hypocites, hence I hate Moore.

He claims America is run by fear and then peddles fear.

He decrys the rich while making money.

He claims he's just a working guy while he lives in a million dollar condo in NY.

He calls his films "documentaries" even when they are filled with inaccuracies and personal spin.

He says white guys are stupid and then says it must have been "brothas" who charged the terrorists on flight 93.

Words are inadequate to describe my intense dislike of this man and I will do nothing that might even remotely put another dollar into his pocket.

matteo101 · 06-20-2004, 04:59 PM

Number one selling books, the academy award, unprecidented Cannes winner, 90 second standing ovation at f911 premier in Hollywood...It is obvious to me that people are "interested" in what he is putting out. Let's take a pole...How many people that do not like Michael Moore also do not agree with The Bush Administration and Bush's ties to Corporate America...or even gun laws for that matter?

Lebell · 06-20-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by matteo101
Number one selling books, the academy award, unprecidented Cannes winner, 90 second standing ovation at f911 premier in Hollywood...It is obvious to me that people are "interested" in what he is putting out. Let's take a pole...How many people that do not like Michael Moore also do not agree with The Bush Administration and Bush's ties to Corporate America...or even gun laws for that matter?

I'm not impressed.

Are you familiar with the phrase, "bread and circuses"?

Gjefflin · 06-20-2004, 05:25 PM

I definitely plan on seeing Fahrenheit 911. I'm not a huge Michael Moore fan either but he does have some great moments in his films that ring kinda true.

matteo101 · 06-20-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
I'm not impressed.

Are you familiar with the phrase, "bread and circuses"?

Not impressed with what? You can have an opinion, why cant I?

Lebell · 06-20-2004, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by matteo101
Not impressed with what? You can have an opinion, why cant I?

You can.

My appologies if I came on a little strong.

My dislike was not really directed at you.

Superbelt · 06-20-2004, 06:27 PM

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I'm not impressed.

Are you familiar with the phrase, "bread and circuses"?

(for Fahrenheit 9/11) Great review by:
Eberts Review

Rotten Tomatoes Page on F 9/11 (82% Fresh)

Rotten Tomatoes is about as empirical for rating a movie as you can get.

Superbelt · 06-20-2004, 06:36 PM

Lebell Said: "He calls his films "documentaries" even when they are filled with inaccuracies and personal spin."

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Ebert
Q: "In your articles discussing Michael Moore's film 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' you call it a documentary. I always thought of documentaries as presenting facts objectively without editorializing. While I have enjoyed many of Mr. Moore's films, I don't think they fit the definition of a documentary."

A: That's where you're wrong. Most documentaries, especially the best ones, have an opinion and argue for it. Even those that pretend to be objective reflect the filmmaker's point of view. Moviegoers should observe the bias, take it into account and decide if the film supports it or not.

Michael Moore is a liberal activist. He is the first to say so. He is alarmed by the prospect of a second term for George W. Bush, and made "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the purpose of persuading people to vote against him.

That is all perfectly clear, and yet in the days before the film opens June 25, there'll be bountiful reports by commentators who are shocked! shocked! that Moore's film is partisan. "He doesn't tell both sides," we'll hear, especially on Fox News, which is so famous for telling both sides.

Lebell · 06-20-2004, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Lebell Said: "He calls his films "documentaries" even when they are filled with inaccuracies and personal spin."

As someone else said, so?

Superbelt · 06-20-2004, 07:14 PM

HugAPug · 06-20-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by wraithhibn
The question is, will Moore make movies like BfC and F9/11 if a democrat was running the country? I think not.

I don't really have an answer for your question although in Stupid White Men, he did call Clinton, "One of the best Republican presidents we've ever had."

So it's possible. Unlikely perhaps, but possible.

westothemax · 06-21-2004, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by wraithhibn
The question is, will Moore make movies like BfC and F9/11 if a democrat was running the country? I think not.

Michael Moore made 'The Big One' while Clinton was in office. He had a TV show that aired for 2 seasons on Bravo called 'TV Nation', also while Clinton was in office.

trickyy · 06-23-2004, 04:59 PM

"attention members of congress:

i, michael moore, am driving an ice cream truck around DC. the patriot act is bad, take it from me. this juvenile stunt is how i aim to change things in this town. my film drops this summer."

what a publicity whore. the thing he did with Kmart in BFC...useless result with a gaggle of cameras on him.

wow, the US flew the Bin Laden family out of the country after 9/11? maybe the some people don't pay attention to these things, but it's basically old news.

clockworkgreen · 06-23-2004, 05:18 PM

What's wrong with hating Bush again?

thespian86 · 06-23-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by clockworkgreen
What's wrong with hating Bush again?

Well, he's in power...

matteo101 · 06-23-2004, 06:25 PM

I believe he said " whats wrong with hating bush again"

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Originally posted by punkmusicfan21
Well, he's in power...

And that makes it wrong how???

trickyy · 06-23-2004, 09:48 PM

to anyone paying attention, Bush lost credibility long ago

but Moore is no better if he manipulates media to mislead or sensationalize. seems his books and films are easily criticized due to shoddy research and/or the omission of important details.

charlesesl · 06-23-2004, 09:48 PM

I see alot of you guys are disagreeing will Moore's views, but instead of arguing with his views, you all make personal attacks on him.

PulpMind · 06-23-2004, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by choskins
I don't like it, only because it gives Michael Moore the precious attention he craves.

what attention he craves? he has the ability to make films and speak out. he doesn't want any attention personally, just attention on issues that some people would rather ignore.

PulpMind · 06-23-2004, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by wraithhibn
The question is, will Moore make movies like BfC and F9/11 if a democrat was running the country? I think not.

Columbine happened during Clinton.

and yes, as long as this country continues on it's downward slide, Michael Moore and countless other revolutionary and truth sayers are going to keep making movies and speaking their minds.

PulpMind · 06-23-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by charlesesl
I see alot of you guys are disagreeing will Moore's views, but instead of arguing with his views, you all make personal attacks on him.

thank you.

minusthesoul · 06-24-2004, 05:24 AM

There is no reason to argue about Moore's views, everyone is entitled to their own. What people are attacking is his distortion of the truth to fit his own needs.

JohnnyRock · 06-24-2004, 06:12 AM

I have no opinoon on Michael Moore and haven't seen any of his other films.

I find it interesting how people discuss how he manipulates things to get out his point of view but nobody ever rails against the right-wing media [and not just Rush] and how they and the Bush Regime manipulate the facts [or just plain ignore...or lie ] to get their point of view out. I for one am glad that there are people out there willing to show another side of the story.

password · 06-24-2004, 08:41 AM

What is the rating for the new moore movie?

Kadath · 06-24-2004, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by password
What is the rating for the new moore movie?

R, which Moore protested, but I noted that AOL's movie section listed it as NC-17, which is kind of odd.

gibingus · 06-25-2004, 05:44 AM

while i haven't seen the film, my reading of press surrounding it (especially an LA Times piece on the wires today) suggests that Moore uses the film to reinterpret the recent history of the present administration with a spin counter to what we have been seeing from the mainstream media and the administration itself.

regardless of the direction of that spin, that seems like a good idea and as a nation that claims to cherish freedom, to be threatened by anyone doing that is counter intuitive. dismissing Moore's statements without seeing them first hand and judging for oneself means you have only bought completely into the establishment spin already.

instead of categorically dismissing either - embrace challenge, see F911 and MMHA and then do your own research into the issues they are concerned with. the "trutch" - and truth is merely a subjective means on how you yourself choose to interpret reality - will lie somewhere in between.

read and see everything with a healthy grain of skepticism and be sure to qualify your sources. don't be a sheep for either side.

filtherton · 06-25-2004, 10:38 AM

I know mm is a tool, but i also know that politics is full of tools. If you were to ignore everyone in the public eye who misrepresented the facts to further their own causes you might as well live in a hole. How many of those who would denounce mm's use of facts believe everything the president says? How ironic is that?

gibingus has an excellent point about waiting until you see the movie before passing judgement.

06-15-2004, 03:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
gdr2004 Crazy Location: CA	Michael Moore Hates America? There is a new documentary coming out. It looks REALLY interesting! I can't wait. I'll save my opinions on Michael Moore however. (I don't like him very much) Here is an interesting snippet from the web-site. Contrary to its title, Michael Moore Hates America isn’t a hatchet job on the filmmaker. Just from the title alone, it seems like it would be nothing but a hatchet job, but I think this movie looks very promising. I just hope it won't be a Michael Moore clone though. The irony of it all :-p http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/ http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_sm.html <--- trailer

06-15-2004, 03:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
choskins Psycho Location: Greenville, SC	I don't like it, only because it gives Michael Moore the precious attention he craves. __________________ "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud

06-16-2004, 04:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mehoni Insane Location: Within the Woods	I despise the title. It's in the same category as "If you don't like it here, move". __________________ There seem to be countless rituals and cultural beliefs designed to alleviate their fear of a simple biological truth - all organisms eventually perish.

06-16-2004, 05:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
monkeydriven Addict Location: Boston	Yeah, great trailer....he interviews the great political mind Penn Jillette...wow, sounds like this movie will really expose the real issues. Give me a break. Moore has the guts to expose the corruption and hypocrasy of the powers that be...he doesn't hate America, he wishes it were run better.... __________________ you think i got my eyes closed but i've been lookin' at you the whole f&ckin' time... ------------------------------------------------ Posting from the home of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox Last edited by monkeydriven; 06-16-2004 at 05:09 AM..

06-16-2004, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	If nothing else Micheal Moore is good at stirring up conversation. B for C was the biggest snow job documentary ever made, and that's why people are talking about it still. I like the idea of someone making a Doc about Moore himself, should be funny to see how he reacts to the same sort of ambush that he subjected Heston to. I look fwd to watching Tubby squirm and try to dodge explaining his twisted views. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

06-15-2004, 04:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	he may crave attention but i've always felt he has correct in his views. only really going off the move bfc. but made sense to me. looking forward to seeing his new movie.

06-18-2004, 12:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	He doesn't hate America, he hates how it is run __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

06-20-2004, 08:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	HA! I'm really looking forward to this, if only for the reason mentioned above that I want to see how Moore reacts to his own Geurilla tactics __________________ Feh.

06-20-2004, 04:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
nanofever Huzzah for Welcome Week, Much beer shall I imbibe. Location: UCSB	Wow, that guy really knows how to boost MM's ego. MM thrives on pissing people off, upsetting the status quo and being an annoying person in general. By creating a documentary devoted to MM being an ass, the guy behind this is just pumping MM's ego into the sky. __________________ I'm leaving for the University of California: Santa Barbara in 5 hours, give me your best college advice - things I need, good ideas, bad ideas, nooky, ect. Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum: "Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

06-20-2004, 04:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
wraithhibn Dopefish Location: the 'Ville	The question is, will Moore make movies like BfC and F9/11 if a democrat was running the country? I think not. __________________ If you won't dress like the Victoria Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.

06-20-2004, 04:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I hate hypocites, hence I hate Moore. He claims America is run by fear and then peddles fear. He decrys the rich while making money. He claims he's just a working guy while he lives in a million dollar condo in NY. He calls his films "documentaries" even when they are filled with inaccuracies and personal spin. He says white guys are stupid and then says it must have been "brothas" who charged the terrorists on flight 93. Words are inadequate to describe my intense dislike of this man and I will do nothing that might even remotely put another dollar into his pocket. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

06-20-2004, 04:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
matteo101 In transition Location: north, no south abit, over to the right, getting warmer...there!	Number one selling books, the academy award, unprecidented Cannes winner, 90 second standing ovation at f911 premier in Hollywood...It is obvious to me that people are "interested" in what he is putting out. Let's take a pole...How many people that do not like Michael Moore also do not agree with The Bush Administration and Bush's ties to Corporate America...or even gun laws for that matter?

06-20-2004, 05:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Gjefflin Insane Location: New York	I definitely plan on seeing Fahrenheit 911. I'm not a huge Michael Moore fan either but he does have some great moments in his films that ring kinda true.

06-20-2004, 07:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Hmm?

06-23-2004, 04:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
trickyy ►	"attention members of congress: i, michael moore, am driving an ice cream truck around DC. the patriot act is bad, take it from me. this juvenile stunt is how i aim to change things in this town. my film drops this summer." what a publicity whore. the thing he did with Kmart in BFC...useless result with a gaggle of cameras on him. wow, the US flew the Bin Laden family out of the country after 9/11? maybe the some people don't pay attention to these things, but it's basically old news.

06-23-2004, 05:18 PM	#27 (permalink)
clockworkgreen Psycho Location: DC	What's wrong with hating Bush again?

06-23-2004, 09:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
trickyy ►	to anyone paying attention, Bush lost credibility long ago but Moore is no better if he manipulates media to mislead or sensationalize. seems his books and films are easily criticized due to shoddy research and/or the omission of important details.

06-23-2004, 09:48 PM	#31 (permalink)
charlesesl Psycho	I see alot of you guys are disagreeing will Moore's views, but instead of arguing with his views, you all make personal attacks on him. __________________ It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. Dr. Viktor E. Frankl

06-24-2004, 05:24 AM	#35 (permalink)
minusthesoul Upright	There is no reason to argue about Moore's views, everyone is entitled to their own. What people are attacking is his distortion of the truth to fit his own needs. __________________ "When I played pool I was like a good psychiatrist. I cured them of all their daydreams and delusions." -- Minnesota Fats

06-24-2004, 06:12 AM	#36 (permalink)
JohnnyRock Addict Location: Taxachussetts	I have no opinoon on Michael Moore and haven't seen any of his other films. I find it interesting how people discuss how he manipulates things to get out his point of view but nobody ever rails against the right-wing media [and not just Rush] and how they and the Bush Regime manipulate the facts [or just plain ignore...or lie ] to get their point of view out. I for one am glad that there are people out there willing to show another side of the story. __________________ Not only do I not know the answer...I don't even know what the question is!!!

06-24-2004, 08:41 AM	#37 (permalink)
password Tilted	What is the rating for the new moore movie?

06-25-2004, 05:44 AM	#39 (permalink)
gibingus Insane Location: 38° 51' N 77° 2' W	while i haven't seen the film, my reading of press surrounding it (especially an LA Times piece on the wires today) suggests that Moore uses the film to reinterpret the recent history of the present administration with a spin counter to what we have been seeing from the mainstream media and the administration itself. regardless of the direction of that spin, that seems like a good idea and as a nation that claims to cherish freedom, to be threatened by anyone doing that is counter intuitive. dismissing Moore's statements without seeing them first hand and judging for oneself means you have only bought completely into the establishment spin already. instead of categorically dismissing either - embrace challenge, see F911 and MMHA and then do your own research into the issues they are concerned with. the "trutch" - and truth is merely a subjective means on how you yourself choose to interpret reality - will lie somewhere in between. read and see everything with a healthy grain of skepticism and be sure to qualify your sources. don't be a sheep for either side. __________________ if everyone is thinking alike, chances are no one is thinking.

06-25-2004, 10:38 AM	#40 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I know mm is a tool, but i also know that politics is full of tools. If you were to ignore everyone in the public eye who misrepresented the facts to further their own causes you might as well live in a hole. How many of those who would denounce mm's use of facts believe everything the president says? How ironic is that? gibingus has an excellent point about waiting until you see the movie before passing judgement.