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The WWII movie should be great. I would love to see his take on it. I read that the way he could link it togeather with all of his other movies (they are all linked in one way or another) is to have Butch's(pulp fiction) grandpa as a character with the watch. Either way, it will be great if/when its done. IMDB had 2005 last time i saw for the release and i doubt that. My guess would be '07-'09, somewhere in there.

He also has a script/ideas for Kill Bill Vol. 3. This would be the daughters fighting, The Brides and the daughter of the first girl she killed.

Also, there is the idea for a Vega Brothers (Mr. Blonde and Vincent Vega).

Mr. Blonde was a Vega? I didn't know that.

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IMDB has him as Mr. Blonde/Vic Vega. Interesting!

If Volume 1 and 2 don't win best picture, I don't what will. Volume 2 was absolutely fuckin amazing. There isn't enough I can say about it. It was perfect. Citizen Kane be damned. Quentin Tarantino could have me if he so desired. The casting was perfect, David Carradine was incredible, as was Uma. The soundtrack rocked. I haven't stopped talking about it since I saw it last night.

Kind of an awe aspiring movie. The style of QT make it as great as it is.

One thing I didn't quite get was her name. They bleeped it out in Vol 1 and a good part of Vol 2, then they "unveil" it as if it was a major plot connection point or something.

That's basically what I'm thinking. This is about as close to movie perfection as it gets. There was literally NOTHING wrong with this movie. Combining the two together simply makes the effect multiplied. I've never seen characters so fully developed and likeable (even the bad guys) in a movie before. Every single shot had importance, every single angle was planned thoughtfully. There was not a prop, color, backdrop, set, light, or even spec of dust that was not meant to be there. When it was all combined together, it ends up being a true masterpiece.

-Lasereth

Bud's character was the most awesome out of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad in my opinion. While all three women went on to future success, Bud was left a trailer living redneck loser, despite being Bill's brother, because he didn't think what they did to Beatrix was right. Hell, he realized he deserved to die. I really felt sorry for him, but when it came down to it his evil roots came through when he needed to survive. Excellent character++

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I loved this film, but I have a big problem with it. Can someone please explain to me how one can get shot in the chest by a 12-guage shotgun at almost point blank range, and then live to tell about it???

I understand that we are not supposed to think too deeply into this and there were plenty of other scenes that question the level of believe-ability. This particular incident just did not sit well with me, as this just threw all logical reasoning out of the window as apposed to other scenes which just seemed to "stretch the truth"....

Anyways, still a SWEET movie...

you must have not been listening to the dialogoe. not really sure how you missed it, since every sentence in QT's work is priceless. Budd said (twice) that the shells were filled with rock salt instead of buck shot. It just hurts like hell and barely punctures the skin. Won't penetrate like buck shot.

I agree totally. Budd was probably the best character out of the entire movie (besides Kiddo!). It's one of those things where you hate to see him die because he was such a good character.

-Lasereth

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at the end of the movie where Beatrix was on the bathroom floor, while her daughter was watching tv, do you think that she was crying, laughing or both?

both

A little bit of both I think, but both were because she was so happy. She even thanked God(I assume) for having her little girl.

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Like everyone else, I loved both movies, and I only have one complaint for the entire compilation. The ending fight between Beatrix and Bill needed to be more grand. The amount of build up and character development between the two demanded, in my opinion, a venom filled battle of epic proportions, which of course would end with the same result, and even in the same manner. I spent 2 hours soaking in every spoken word, investing myself in Bill's character, and Beatrix's love/hatred of him, that to have it over so quickly was a complete let down.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think anything already in the movies should be changed or shortened, especially the dialogue. Tarantino had me hanging on every spoken word he had written. And Carradine's delivery and screen presence was amazing. I did not think he had the acting chops to pull that off, but by the end, I couldn't think of anyone else who could have been Bill. I just simply believe that, for what ever reason, artistic or otherwise, Tarantino shafted us on what should have been a mind blowing melee between 2 larger than life characters.

I have a feeling I'm going to get torn apart for this belief, but please be gentle :)

I had read an early script for the movie, and it seems that a short bit of fighting is all that the battle between Kiddo and Bill was supposed to be. Actually, according to that early script, they do go down to the beach, and Kiddo blocks all Bill's sword blows with the sheath of her Hanzo sword, and then performs the 5-point-exploding-heart-technique. Then there was supposed to be even more talking after she hits him with it.

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I thought it ended perfectly! I was actually hoping it wouldn't be too long of a "fight." Whenever she did the exploding heart technique on him, it was completely unexpected and a perfect way to end the movie. He could talk to her after he was dead basically, and had the option of choosing when to die. That made it way more emotional than any sword fight could have been.

-Lasereth

totally agree. I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. it just shows how much beatrix had grown from the time she was shot 'til the time she was there to kill bill. I loved it; completely unexpected, and WAY more emotional.

just imagine this: they fight for a while and it gets redundant and then she finally kills bill. you know it's gonna happen, so why fight?

I think the ending was perfect :)





I also believe she was crying AND laughing at the end, like the above person said.

i agree that the ending was perfect, I expected a big fight but after i saw the way it ended, i was completely happy with the way she did it. And its ironic because pai mei never taught that move to Bill but did to Beatrix.

Pai Mei. That guy was fuckin awesome. He deserves a movie of his own.

I love QT... Kill Bill vol. 2 exceeded all expectations i had of it.. and I had HUGE expectations...

Everyone should see it and buy it.. ... now.

Vol 2 was definitely awesome. Pai Mei was a fuckin great character. I loved the beard stroking thing.

I did have one complaint:

Spoiler: that neither Budd, or Elle died specifically at the hands of the Bride. I thought that they should have both met their end directly from the Bride to carry on with the whole revenge theme. Budd was killed by Elle, and Elle was left for dead and it was just kind of assumed that she actually died. I liked the "you and I have unfinished business" line that she did for everbody else, but this didn't happen with Budd and Elle. i suppose this may have something to do with the east/west contrasts of each film.

but i consider these complaints pretty minor, and just me being a tad bit picky. but other than that i thought that it was an excellent film, and even better when looking at both volumes as a whole. Tarantino is a god damn genius.

Pei Mei was fucking awesome. Thank god I don' t know the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, I'm too irresponsible.

I liked the ending. All in all a fucking badass movie.

might rent the DVDs when are released, the story does sound interesting.
edit: might even watch Pulp Fiction one of these days or this 'Boondock Saints' film.

I haven't watched it yet.....Is this the final installment? Or are there gonna be more? I was kinda dissapointed with Vol. 1 since it ended so abruptly.. but I liked Vol.1, so I'll go see the next one.

Buy the boxed set. Watch both Pulp Fiction and Boondock Saints. If you watch Boondock Saints, just make sure you see the 'unedited' version, which is damn near impossible to find here in the states, so if you buy Boondock Saints, get it from ebay, and make sure its the European version.

Spoiler: Elle would've died eventually either from bleeding or the Black Mamba roaming around in the trailer. If anything, she suffered the most out of them all, IMO.

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I don't see any problems with how Budd and Elle died. If ya think about it, both of them still died due to The Bride. The only reason Elle came to Budd was for the Hattori Hanzo sword. Budd had it because of Beatrix' capture. So Elle killed Budd because of Beatrix' sword, and Elle died from getting her other eye ripped out by Beatrix (and probably being bitten by the Black Mamba). Whether directly or indirectly, every person on The Bride's list DID die because of her revenge. I'm glad they died in different ways as well -- just a regular sword/slash stab death would have got old.

-Lasereth

Spoiler: I also had no problems with the conclusions of Elle and Budd. Not every story must end up like the Game of Death, where the protagonist defeats each boss, one at a time. It has more character this way and is, quite franky, more interesting (and, perhaps more to the point, Quentin's style).

Besides, didn't she get her revenge against Elle? I mean, Elle was left for dead but, even if she survived, she's blind and, for the deadly California Mountain Snake, isn't that a fate worse than death?
It's also unclear how she might die. The black momba didn't touch them during that entire fight scene nor while Elle was picking up the money. I would be more concerned about the fact that Elle is stuck in the middle of nowhere while blind. How long can she live like that?




By the way, tell me if those links show up through the spoiler tag...

i dont see any links...

Yes (Mozilla Firefox, WinXP); the text of the links are displayed as black text, floating in a sea of white.

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Budd did die in a way by Beatrix since her code name is Black Mamba and a Black Mamba did kill him

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Totally disagree. That ending fight was PERFECT if you ask me. Part of the "battle" was their conversation. He knew it was invevitable that they would fight, but he had to justify what he did. The whole "what would you expect from a killer" thing was great. In addition, the Clark Kent thing was beautiful.

The actual battle showed her unexpected superior technique. The "now I am the Master" theme is always a good one in classic Kung Foo. Between getting shot with the truth serum, the gun that Bill had and just the whole advantage throughtout the movie that he enjoyed, it was a classic battle and wholly orignial at the same time. Great stuff.

Oh yeah - I don't think the deadly assasin Viper Squad would kill all those people with guns. I think they would have at least used swords and they may have allowed some of the innocent to leave first. They seem to have some honor (it is not like the crazy 88s or whatever came after The Bride with machine guns or anything.)

I dunno. Great movie either way. . .

I think in normal cases they wouldn't deal with the others, but this was different. Bill is pissed. And all the DVAS know better than to go against an angry Bill.

If you're still reading this thread, you obviously don't care about spoilers...




Are you saying I'm a superhero?

I specifically said I wouldn't change ANYTHING that was already in the movie. Not the way Bill died, nor the amount of diolague he had. As a matter of fact, Carradine could have talked throughout the entire flic, and I would have been even more in awe of his performance. In my action movies, even action/noir, I require an insanely epic battle for the finale, especially when that battle has been built up over 2 movies. That characters deserve that much, at least.

Regarding a few comments about guns, I read in an interview (I came across when googling something about Hattori Hanzo, but I tried again recently and couldn't find the link) with QT and he explained how KB took place in his alternate universe, and though guns did exist and were widely used, the Samurai Sword was the weapon of choice, and owned by virtually everyone. Hence The Bride being able to bring her sword on the plane with her, walking with it into a Yakuza bar, etc.

As for Elle and Budd, I thought it was set up perfectly. I interpreted it like this: Elle basically fucked everything up by using the Black Mamba on Budd (which I suppose could be symbolic as the Bride taking her revenge on Budd anyway, as it was a Black Mamba, her namesake), but when Beatrix confronted her in the trailer, and plucked out Elle's eye, it was like all the pieces fell in place - the Pupil avenged Pai Mei's death by taking out her other eye, and most likely in the course of flailing around the trailer floor, she got bitten by the Black Mamba - again using symbolism of Beatrix's namesake, as well as the karma of Elle stealing the right of killing Budd from Beatrix. I dunno. Maybe I'm just looking too far into it.

Awesome, awesome film. The more I think about it the more I love it. I mean Vol 1, brilliant, Vol 2, possibly better. In the words of Homer Simpson, this was 'groin grabbingly good!'
How much did I love the Pei Mai scenes, they just rocked so hard. Only QT could create that crazy sense you get with oldschool Kung Fu that a character like Pei Mai is just untouchable. I'm going to go watch that again tomorrow methinks.

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If you watch the credits through to the part with the bride just driving, it shows the names of the 5 people in the DVAS, and it shows a line being drawn through all of them, but when it comes to Elle, it just puts a question mark through the name. leaves some room open for interpretation there :)

Oh man, I was wondering what the hell was after the credits. That's awesome.

No, I think your analysis was excellent, and the amount of depth was just right.

she broke his heart.
and when that wasn't good enough...
She Broke His Heart.