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ratbastid · 03-06-2009, 01:44 PM

Maybe the whole thing is taking place inside Hera's snow-globe...

QuasiMondo · 03-06-2009, 08:05 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we are about to witness a series finale that will go down as one of the great ones you'll read about in TV Guide years from now.

westothemax · 03-07-2009, 11:47 PM

Good call about Anders. I was thinking the Galactica not being networked (the show said "firewalled") might be an issue, but the writers got around that one.

Were those "classic" Cylon raiders in the hanger where Boomer landed her Raptor? That was the Cylon Colony right?

The best part was President Roslin smoking out Adama in the sick bay. I lol'd. Another unintentionally funny scene?

There's no way they're going to strip Galactica for parts and abandon ship. Either she lives through the finale, or goes down fighting Cavill.

Lucifer · 03-08-2009, 03:03 AM

I was kind of hoping that they might gut strip Galactica, move the people from the fleet on board and mold/meld/merge Galactica into one of the arms on the Basestar, just let that biomatter gunk make her part of the structure.
Fresnelly sure called the Ander's Hybridization right on. I laughed out loud when I saw the red lights on the bulkheads and him sitting in the bath-thingy. Got any more bright ideas, Fresn?

fresnelly · 03-08-2009, 05:16 AM

I stood up and made the successful field goal signal when I saw it

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I think what happens next is obvious, though how it plays out is a tough one.

Adama has resolved to send Galactica "off in style", which to me means only one thing: "RAMMING SPEED!!"

Adama is going to remove all but a skeleton crew of volunteers, load it up with nukes, and send the whole thing hurtling into the Cylon colony.

I don't know what's going to happen after the point of contact but you can bet it's going to be a special effects orgasm.

Lucifer · 03-08-2009, 08:45 AM

This is quite possibly the best single quote recap of the latest BSG (courtesy of Television Without Pity - thank-you Willravel for introducing me to that internet gem):

So Kara wanders around peeing in front of people and offering Sam some Kevorkian therapy before a well-timed piece of Baltar Bullshit and a sweet little speech from Lee help her pull it together and stop making her existential issues everybody's problem. Gaius blows her spot about being a zombie, on the way to his usual religious crap, but nobody even really cares. Meanwhile, the 268s have plugged Sam into a Hybrid tub in the hopes of rebooting him, but instead he Hybrid-connects himself to the Cylon goo and is now pretty much Battlegod Godlactica. The Colonel reacts to this with some gritty annoyance.

But I'm still puzzled over the whole Kara "Harbinger of Death" Thrace thing. Is she dead? Is she alive?

fresnelly · 03-08-2009, 06:23 PM

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But I'm still puzzled over the whole Kara "Harbinger of Death" Thrace thing. Is she dead? Is she alive?

I figure she'll be at the wheel or button when Galactica needs to pull whatever stunt Adama has planned.

Anders' control of the ship is a real wildcard though...

gardens · 03-08-2009, 08:42 PM

I think part of the Anders thing is that Anders will fly BSG into cavils colony without there needing to be a skeleton crew, because of the crap Anders pulled while still being firewalled out of the computers imagine what he could do hooked in?

basically cavil has no idea what hes in for, Am I the only one who thinks Baltar and Caprica Six will go in undercover to the colony and get Hera out through some sort of "magic" way hence fulfilling the opera house, the vision has been told many times from many different people could it be that because everybody is looking for Hera and the opera house is simply a "sending" like boomers/chiefs

Reese · 03-09-2009, 12:21 AM

I think I understand what the "Harbinger of Death" thing is going to be, but I can't quite put it into words. I highly doubt Kara will "switch on" and nuke all the survivors. I think she's going to be presented with a choice to save everyone now only to doom them very far into the future, or sacrifice a bunch of people now and prevent some future war. Or it could be that her choice is to not share whatever information she finds on how she resurrected therefore preventing people from being reborn, therefore "causing" everyone to eventually die a permanent death..

Troublebot · 03-09-2009, 05:28 AM

Yep. I think Adama's going to strip the ship and head out to find Cavil and the colony, but not before the raptors find a suitable planet to settle on (hopefully a little nicer then the last few they've set down on: New Caprica, the algae planet, Earth). Once his people are ok, his job is done.

I think Bill and Tigh will both die on Gallactica. Their friendship has been one constant in the whole series, so it would be good to see them finish up together.

If this whole thing wasn't wrapping up so satisfyingly, I'd be more upset that it was ending. So glad I've watched this show.

Lucifer · 03-09-2009, 05:59 AM

I hope that Adama and Tigh take Baltar down with them!

Troublebot · 03-09-2009, 06:11 AM

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I hope that Adama and Tigh take Baltar down with them!

I doubt it. Baltar has been on a journey since the first time we saw him. He's reinventing who he is, hopefully turning himself into a better man. I can't see his journey ending in sacrifice. I think he has alot more atoning to do.

A friend of mine just started watching the old episodes and I've been watching with her. Seems like all of the characters have evolved so much. Baltar's still hilarious though (especially his dealings with chip six). Can't believe I can loathe a character and want to give him a hug at the same time.

Jove · 03-14-2009, 10:26 AM

Is it possible that we are going to see the battle of the universe next week that ends with everyone getting destroyed by a black hole?

Telluride · 03-15-2009, 08:59 AM

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Is it possible that we are going to see the battle of the universe next week that ends with everyone getting destroyed by a black hole?

Is it possible that the ships will go through the black hole, survive the trip, and find an alternate Earth that isn't a nuclear wasteland?

Or maybe the humans will make a deal with Cavil? He'll give back Hera and, in exchange, Adama will agree to teach math to inner city Cylons.

Troublebot · 03-16-2009, 08:37 AM

Wow. My guess was always that Baltar stayed with the fleet. That his "chapter" to write was to guide the remaining people to a new place to live (not that he did all that well with it last time), but from the previews, it looks like he's on Galactica. I guess that makes sense, he still needs to figure out why he has Six in his head, doesn't he? Plus, he's so flawed. He needs to atone... maybe blood is the only way that can happen.

I would say that anyone who goes with Gallactica ain't coming back, but someone has to rescue Hera, right? Will it be both the fighting Agathons or only one. Who else?

I think it'll be a blood bath. I plan of weeping for each one that falls when this great show ends.

Willravel · 03-16-2009, 09:23 AM

This is going to be a long week.

SecretMethod70 · 03-16-2009, 11:02 AM

I'm pretty sure that we've already been given the answer as to why Baltar sees Head Six. And he certainly believes he has the answer.

She's an angel.

Interestingly, it occurred to me the other day that the only characters that have seen "head" people have also experienced death. Starbuck saw Head Piano Guy after dying, Six is a cylon so she has obviously died and been resurrected and she has seen Head Baltar,... and perhaps Baltar died in the explosion on Caprica. We still have not been given an answer as to how he survived that. It fits with the head people being angels too: these characters each straddle this life and the next.

robot_parade · 03-16-2009, 11:41 AM

I seems pretty clear to me that Starbuck died, and came back. The most likely scenario to me is that she is indeed Daniel's daughter. That neatly explains the resurrection, her painting the supernova, knowing the cylon song, etc, etc. I think Daniel (or a set of Daniels) is out there somewhere, coordinating things, most probably working against Cavil and for peaceful human/cylon relations. Starbuck is therefore the first (known) human/cylon hybrid.

Willravel · 03-16-2009, 11:59 AM

I dunno. While I still think Kara was Daniel's daughter, I don't think it's just a Daniel or some Daniels that are pulling the strings. I like the symmetry of Daniel being the anti-Cavil, but I still think it's the third party.

robot_parade · 03-16-2009, 03:13 PM

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I dunno. While I still think Kara was Daniel's daughter, I don't think it's just a Daniel or some Daniels that are pulling the strings. I like the symmetry of Daniel being the anti-Cavil, but I still think it's the third party.

That's possible, but I'm trying to 'solve' the series with the characters we know about already, without bringing in third parties in a deus ex machina way. Literally deus if they make the third party God/gods. The end of a drama is almost always the wrong time to introduce new characters...they can get a pass on Daniel if he really is Starbuck's father, and he has a big reveal at the end, and it shows how he was working behind the scenes the whole time.

But if they bring in another agent at this late date, I'm not seeing how that will be a satisfying ending, and something other than a deus ex machina, there to wrap up all the loose ends but otherwise not an interesting part of the narrative. Especially since a Daniel character (or group of Daniels) has already been introduced, and is sufficient to wrap up most, if not all, of the existing plot threads. I wouldn't be surprised if they left a few things not-quite-explained to leave room for the possibility that divine intervention is an active part of driving the story, however.

Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out in a couple of weeks. :-) Then we get to wait for Caprica in 2010...

SecretMethod70 · 03-16-2009, 03:41 PM

It would not be introducing new characters to say that there is a supernatural force at work here. It has been increasingly apparent, from the very beginning of the series, that there is a supernatural force in the BSG universe.

I don't think it will turn out to be a Ship of Lights type deal anymore, and in fact I don't think this supernatural force will be explored to much degree at all. Everything that needs to be established has already been shown: there is a supernatural force and the head characters are a part of that supernatural force.

The idea that Starbuck is Daniel's daughter does not actually explain anything regarding her death. So she can resurrect because she's a hybrid? Where did she resurrect? Why doesn't she remember resurrecting like every single other resurrected character does? How did she end up in a brand new viper? If there was a brand new viper just waiting for her and somehow she was able to resurrect into that rather than the necessary resurrection vat, then who put the viper there and planned for this. No matter what, it has been clearly established that there is a supernatural force at play. I don't think Starbuck has any relation to Daniel at all - it unnecessarily complicates things when the supernatural force of the universe is enough to explain everything.

It would be a Deus ex Machina if there were not precedent. But so far we have had scripture, miraculous signs (the supernova is just one of many examples), and head characters who have proven to go well beyond just the head (disappearing Six in season 1, Head Six lifting Baltar up in season 4). This would not be coming out of nowhere, it would be deeply rooted in the very beginning of the series.

Willravel · 03-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Kara being Daniel's daughter is about explaining her connection to the cylon, knowing the song, knowing parts of her future. It would only be about her rebirth in following with the importance of the hybrid storyline.

SecretMethod70 · 03-16-2009, 03:51 PM

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Kara being Daniel's daughter is about explaining her connection to the cylon, knowing the song, knowing parts of her future. It would only be about her rebirth in following with the importance of the hybrid storyline.

Mostly explained by the fact she has been dead and now has a connection to that realm. (A realm which, again, has been shown to exist on BSG, whether it's in Roslin's vision of the stream, or in her vision while jumping.) The few things that happened before that - painting the supernova and being drawn to the maelstrom - can be explained by the meddling of the supernatural force in the BSG universe, which is not a stretch by any means considering all the other meddling we've seen.

Willravel · 03-16-2009, 03:55 PM

Speaking of the maelstrom, have you been painting your avatar since you were little?

fresnelly · 03-16-2009, 06:30 PM

FYI, the imdb listing for the upcoming Caprica series has a character played by Eric Stoltz named "Daniel Graystone". Perhaps he's our #7 Daniel.

Anyhoo, the black hole near the colony is the ultimate Elephant in the Room so I can't imagine it won't play a role in the finale.

A conventional ending would lock the Galactica and Hub of the Colony together after a collision and send them on a mutual trajectory into the hole and doom.

At the last second Anders jumps them away or Will's Third Party scoops them up and Cavil and Co. are left to plummet and die. It's all a bit neat and tidy but why not?

A wilder ending treats the black hole as something mystical where anything's possible. I imagine we'll be spending a fair amount of time in the Opera House. I figure it's someone's happy place, like Boomer and Tyrol's house and just who that person is, will be a bit of a revelation.

SecretMethod70 · 03-16-2009, 07:08 PM

Daniel Graystone is not #7. He is the guy who creates the cylons out of despair after losing his daughter.

RDM has said flat out that there is absolutely no significance to Daniel, other than that they needed a #7 in order to have the Final Five be sequential.

I'm not sure about what role the black hole or the opera house will play, but I'm anxious to find out. I've always been biased toward the idea of everyone dying except a handful of people to start the cycle anew. That may or may not be the direction they will go.

Lucifer · 03-17-2009, 03:30 AM

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I've always been biased toward the idea of everyone dying except a handful of people to start the cycle anew. That may or may not be the direction they will go.

a la The Matrix? that might be a bit disappointing, but conceivable. I think the Opera House is a metaphor for the black hole, and the image of Six and Baltar disappearing behind the door with Hera is foreshadowing of everyone getting sucked into the black hole. What happens then is anyone's guess.

Willravel · 03-17-2009, 08:18 AM

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RDM has said flat out that there is absolutely no significance to Daniel, other than that they needed a #7 in order to have the Final Five be sequential.

He also said that Adama and Tigh would have a sexual relationship at one point (which he later referenced as a joke, Brokeback Galactica), so I don't know if you can take him 100% at his word. He could be fracking with us. It's possible Daniel has significance but elaborating at all would give a lot away. Or he could have no significance whatsoever.

SecretMethod70 · 03-17-2009, 11:38 AM

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He also said that Adama and Tigh would have a sexual relationship at one point (which he later referenced as a joke, Brokeback Galactica), so I don't know if you can take him 100% at his word. He could be fracking with us. It's possible Daniel has significance but elaborating at all would give a lot away. Or he could have no significance whatsoever.

I dunno, I think it's pretty clear most of the time when he's joking and when he isn't. I won't be surprised if they do something with Daniel, but I wouldn't put even a dollar on it.

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a la The Matrix? that might be a bit disappointing, but conceivable. I think the Opera House is a metaphor for the black hole, and the image of Six and Baltar disappearing behind the door with Hera is foreshadowing of everyone getting sucked into the black hole. What happens then is anyone's guess.

Ah, but NOT a la The Matrix. In the Matrix, the cycle was broken in a bittersweet but happy ending. I think it would be pretty awesome if everyone died and the cycle started anew, with no indication that it will end anytime soon.

Willravel · 03-17-2009, 12:54 PM

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I dunno, I think it's pretty clear most of the time when he's joking and when he isn't. I won't be surprised if they did something with Daniel, but I wouldn't put even a dollar on it.

I'm not saying it's certain, far from it. Only that it would be compelling and that it would fit with the story.

Willravel · 03-18-2009, 01:47 PM

STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

This is a link to a video of Battlestar Galactica at the UN. You'll want to see this.
Link (opens Real Player)

Lucifer · 03-18-2009, 03:53 PM

I can't stress just how much I abhor Real Player. Got a link for something less obtrusive? maybe Quicktime or WMP?

Willravel · 03-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Believe me I wish I did. I also hate RP.

Willravel · 03-20-2009, 07:34 PM

Spoilers ahead.

First off, this was as good if not better than I expected. The attack on the cylon base was outstanding. Baltar and Six, Roselyn and Bill, Kara and Anders, Kara and Lee, etc. all really worked. I must admit I especially loved Athena and Helo coming out alive, I was very afraid that Helo was done for. I'm sad about the destruction of basically the entire skin job race, but it makes sense. It needed to happen for Hera to be the shape of things to come: humanity on Earth.

Still, very big things are still a mystery. We don't know who the third party is. We know that they were making sure that the cycle continued so that humanity was given another chance to make the right decisions, but we don't know who they are and how it is they do what they do. I've got my suspicion (I'm pretty sure it's a Baltar from a previous cycle that evolved into something god-like), but we don't have enough information to know. And while we do know why Kara was brought back and by whom, we don't know how.

All-in-all, Battlestar Galactica was about what television can do as a vehicle for storytelling. It was about throwing out convention and precedent, throwing off the chains of monotony. My hope is that Battlestar can stand as a model of how entertainment doesn't just have to be escapism, but it can be a mirror into our own selves, the best and worst of what we are, allowing us a better understanding of our existence.

Now, I'm off to make the thread about Caprica... this thread has happened before and it will happen again.

FuglyStick · 03-20-2009, 10:13 PM

I was very pleased with the conclusion.

Reese · 03-21-2009, 12:11 AM

I just wanna say, HOLY SHIT BEST FINALE EVER!

I loved the old school centurions, I loved seeing Tyrol strangle that bitch that killed his wife and the ending was more satisfying than I expected. I'm so glad this series had a planned ending. That's such a rare thing nowadays.

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 01:07 AM

Something that really kind of annoys me - and please don't take offense, this has more to do with comments I've seen elsewhere - is how so many people are still wanting more answers. Where did Kara go? How was she resurrected? What exactly are the Head People? Etc.

First off, people need to learn to accept a little ambiguity in their frakking lives. And second, I guarantee that people would find a reason to bitch and moan about the answers if they were given, and might even complain that they were given in the first place.

We're not supposed to know who the third party is, and if there's one thing I really hate, it's reading too damn much into things (again, no offense). Speculate all you want, but I think one thing can be guaranteed: as far as the creators are concerned, the third party exists, and that's about all the thinking they've bothered to give to it. Because even the creators don't need to know if they are aliens, or god, or whatever... sometimes you just decide that something exists in your creation and that's just how it is. It's fun (I guess, though I don't see the appeal in it) to create twisty theories about how Baltar (or someone like him) evolved and became god-like, but those kinds of theories are almost always make WAY more sense in the head of the fan than of the creator. (See: all the BS about Daniel and Starbuck. RDM never expected people to create all those convoluted speculations about Daniel and now regrets even putting it into the show when all he wanted to do was explain the #7 gap and demonstrate Cavil's character.)

We haven't been given a specific explanation for this third party, but I do think it's very safe to say it is entirely metaphysical and not alien or the product of some sort of evolution. Aside for what has been shown in the show, RDM has been fairly straightforward in interviews that the metaphysical has always been a part of the show for him, despite knowing that a lot of fans have been upset at its inclusion in BSG.

Kara... well she's just part of that. After seeing the finale, I don't think it's even a valid question to ask what she is. She just is. She lived, died, came back and led them to Earth. Why? How? Because it was the divine will, pure and simple. Again, I'd bet a large sum of money that the creators haven't thought about it beyond that, and I honestly don't think they need to.

People want things spoon-fed too much. I think the BSG finale answered everything that needed to be answered explicitly, and answered plenty more implicitly without being too direct. It was a great ending for a great series.

And now I'm going to stop watching the #bsg posts on Twitter before they upset me any more

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Mixed in with all the dreck on the IMdB forums (why am I even reading them when I know they'll mostly annoy me?), I found this worthwhile nugget...

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In all honesty, I was initially pretty mixed about the conclusion of the series. But only upon reflection, I began to realize how absolutely great the ending really was. For me, the entire concept of BSG is a re-imagining of old religious, spiritual, and mythological concepts that are infused in a pseudo-futuristic setting with technological elements. (Not unlike Star Wars). I think most people (including me) forget that sometimes. This is mainly because BSG represents good story telling and provided enough dramatic realism while at the same time presenting general fantasy. In the end, we have become primed (which I believe mainly is result of our present society) to expect that a story will also provide to us some rational account for all of the fantastical elements that has presented within it, as in the BSG concluding episode and the series in general. We want answers, but mainly we want answers that are transcendent but yet provide concrete rational subsistence to a story already infused with considerable mythological and spiritual mystery. However, this concept has always been central for the progression of the BSG story. The show really is about the people and their personal struggles and journey.

All of us have read the old stories and myths from long ago. We all know that they are absolutely unbelievable and are complete with over-sensationalistic elements. But that is why they are alluring and have been persistent throughout our history. Not because they are accurate descriptors of nature, but rather for there ability to shed light on some fundamental aspect of the human condition. These stories really are antithetical to science and they are supposed to be.

In the end, BSG is simply a re-telling and modernization of these age old myths. That's why Starbuck was an angel that just vanished at the end. That is why head Baltar and head Caprica are angels walking around in modern day NY. We are not supposed to overanalyze it beyond that simple fact. We are to take it from what we want and focus simply on the big picture. While it is hard to swallow this at times and often people (including myself) take the inclusion of supernatural elements like God/angels/demons in a modern era as cop outs or lazy story writing, the BSG stories really are at its very core, a story of struggle that were designed to force us to journey inwardly. With that general idea in my mind, the series and its conclusion works and works well.

PonyPotato · 03-21-2009, 02:54 AM

Now that the series is over, I can bitch about the one thing that bugged the shit out of me - the writers made a mistake with Callie.

Why would she want to put her baby out the airlock if little Nick WASN'T actually Gaelin's child?? They tell us later that Nick is Hot Dog's kid.. but that wouldn't explain in any way why she would want to kill the kid over his "father" being a cylon.

That just really bothers me.

/end rant

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 03:08 AM

She was killing herself and the kid - I think in her mind to protect him from Tyrol, not because she thought Nicky was half-cylon, and she was going kinda crazy in the first place. Crazy mothers do crazy things, like infanticide/suicide. It happens in real life, so why not in BSG?

Here's a good interview with RDM & Co.: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sc...e-got-answers/
Lots and lots and lots of spoilers follow...

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Battlestar Galactica: Watched The Finale? Still Got Questions? We’ve Got Answers!
Earlier this week in New York, Battlestar Galactica’s co-creators David Eick and Ron Moore, along with cast members Mary McDonnell (President Roslin) and Edward James Olmos (Admiral Adama), sat down with the press for a Q&A session following a screening of the last episode. We were just as brimming with questions as you are about the finale, and here are some of the answers we got. Needless to say, what follows below the jump contains MASSIVE SPOILERS if you haven’t already seen tonight’s show, so don’t say you weren’t warned!

What exactly was Kara, and were people chasing down a rabbit hole when they assumed her father was Daniel, the missing 8th model cylon?

Ron Moore: Daniel is definitely a rabbit hole. It was an unintentional rabbit hole, to be honest. I was kind of surprised when I started picking up [that] speculation online.

For those of you who don’t know, there was a deep part of the cylon backstory that had to do with one of the cylons that was created by the final five [called Daniel. Daniel] was later sort of aborted by Cavill… it was always intended just to be sort of an interesting bit of backstory about Cavill and his jealously. A Cain and Abel sort of allegory. Then people really started grabbing on to it and seizing on it as some major part of the mythology. In couple of interviews and in the last podcast I tried to go out of my way to say “look, don’t spend too much time and energy on this particular theory,” because it was never intended to be that major a piece of the mythology.

David Eick: It’s like Boxey in that way!

Moore: Kara is what you want her to be. It’s easy to put the label on her of “angel” or “messenger of God” or something like that. Kara Thrace died and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final end. That was her role, her destiny in the show… We debated back and forth in the writers’ room about giving it more clarity and saying definitively what she is. We decided that the more you try to put a name on it, the less interesting it became, and we just decided this was the most interesting way for her to go out, with her just disappearing and [leave people wondering exactly what she was].

We see Galactica jump away from the Colony. Are we to assume there are a lot of ****** off Cavills out there still, or were they destroyed?

Moore: The final [cut] came out a little less clear on that than I intended…. It was scripted and the idea was that when Racetrack hits the nukes—the nukes come in and smack into the colony—it takes the colony out of the stream that was swirling around the singularity and [the colony] fell in and was destroyed. I think as we went through the [editing process], when we kept cutting frames and doing this and that, one of the things that became less apparent was that the colony was doomed. The intention was that everyone who was aboard the colony would perish.

At what point did you decide to make it Earth-of-the-past that we were going to wind up on, and what was your reason for that?

Moore: We decided that a couple of years ago. I don’t think we ever really had a version of the show where we [were] in the future or in the present, those didn’t seem as interesting. In the early [development of the show], we would talk about the fact that we would see a lot of contemporary things in the show from language to wardrobe to all kinds of production design details. That only made sense to us in terms of a lot of things that we see in the show and we feel are taken from our contemporary world are actually theirs to begin with. [They] somehow spread down through eons and came to us through the collective unconsciousness. Or, more directly, [as when] Lee said we would give them the better part of ourselves.

Eick: There was a time when we were talking about “they land, and its Pterodactyls and Tyrannosaurus Rex.” But the idea that they were part of the genus of humankind seemed like the right—and more affordable!—way to do that.

Moore: We also had this image of Six walking through Times Square that we came up with long ago.

Who attacked the original Earth?

Moore: The backstory of the original Earth was supposed to be that the 13th tribe of cylons came to that world, started over and essentially destroyed themselves. There was some internecine warfare that occurred among the cylons themselves, which was another repetition in the cycle of “all of this has happened before and all will happen again.” Even they, who were the rebels that split off, [had] enough of humanity in them as cylons that they eventually destroyed themselves.

Why did Cavill decide to kill himself?

Moore: Cavill killing himself actually came from Dean Stockwell [the actor who played Cavill]. As scripted in that final climatic CIC battle, Tigh was going to grab Cavill and fling him over the edge of the upper level and he was going to fall to his death. Dean called me and said “y’know, I just really think that, in that moment, Cavill would realize the jig is up and it’s all hopeless, and he should just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.” And I said: “…Okay!”

For the actors, what was the last scene that you filmed and what was the mood like on the set?

Mary McDonnell: My last scene was Laura Roslin’s last moment in the Raptor. That was about 3:45 am on a very small set. I think I was one of the first people to wrap—she died and we all hugged, and my son and I went to the airport and went back to LA… It happened quickly, it was set to happen a week later and the schedule was changed, so suddenly it was over, it was really interesting, very much like the show for me.

Edward James Olmos: My last day was when I was on the mountainside and it was the last moment that I was on camera. It was quite an experience all the way around, that moment in time. I think everybody had a real easy time [acting] with the emotions that we had at the very end, it’s pretty honest all the way around. The last time that I saw Starbuck and Lee was the last scene where I saw them [in the show]. Pretty intense.

McDonnell: But we’re here, and we’re alive! I wore bright blue so you would know I was alive.

With the use of “All Along The Watchtower,” are you trying to get at some notion that there is some universal consciousness that goes back as far as the human/cylon races’ arrival?

Moore: The notion is sort of how you posited it. The music, the lyrics, the composition, is divine, eternal, it’s something that lives in the collective unconsciousness of everyone in the show and all of us today. It’s a musical theme that repeats itself and crops up in unexpected places. Different people hear it and pluck it out of the ether and write songs. It’s a connection of the divine and the mortal. Music is something that people literally catch out of the air and can’t really define exactly how they composed it. [So] here is a song that transcends many eons and many different people and cultures and the stars, and was ultimately reinvented by one Mr. Bob Dylan here on Earth.

Eick: It was a simple way, I thought, to communicate clearly the idea [the show is not set in the future.] That this is a story about a culture that gave birth to ours. There was an episode in season one in which Helo and Sharon are running for their lives. They hole up in a diner and there’s a cylon centurion cornering them. For the longest time we planned to have an old jukebox in the diner that would play “Yesterday”, or whatever we could afford—

Moore: Not “Yesterday.”

Eick: —Probably not “Yesterday.” Something from The Guess Who perhaps. I think we felt it was too soon. It would confuse things and…people would just be thrown by it, but we were thinking about it that far back, that music would be a great way to say to the audience that it follows [a] cyclical theme of “this has all happened before and will happen again.” This culture is the one that gave birth to ours, so that all the colloquialisms and all the slang that you hear and the behavior that is idiosyncratic—playing cards or whatever—we get that from them, not the other way around.

There’s been a lot of talk about how setting an end date for a scripted serial helps to recharge it. Did you find that true?

Moore: In terms of the writers’ room it certainly focused us. We made the decision that fourth season was going to be the last season once we got to the end of the third season. We had writers’ retreats, and we had dedicated sessions to say “this is the end, what’s the last story, what’s the final arc?” It really made everybody very focused and very specific about exactly how this was going to line up. Part of the motivation to make it the final season was that we didn’t want to get to the place where we felt like the ship was keeling over and we were having a problem. We all instinctively felt that the show had the reached the third act by the time the show got to the end of that third season.

Eick: Going back a year before that, Ron and I sat down for our biannual “what the hell do we do this year meeting?” Heading into season three there was a real sense of creative frustration. We wanted to expand the show and … find a new ways [of] story telling. [So season three] became what we call the cylon-centric season. It’s when we introduced the base ship, it’s when we introduced some new cylons. It gave the show life, but after a year of that, when we sat down heading into season four, it was a much shorter conversation. It was basically “okay, what if we end it? What if we just decide it’s over?” Let’s call this…the dovetailing season. If we know that going in, how would that inform story telling decisions?” So it was a very early decision. I remember from my perspective going into that 4th season there was a different energy on the set. There was tremendous focus and concentration that I was getting from the entire ensemble.

McDonnell: Part of what was extraordinary about that is as you are able to view [the end approaching] you can then kick into gear and plot your finish. What that ends up doing is simplifying things for you. You know where your head is and you can let go in many moments were you probably would have worked very hard [before, but] you didn’t need to. So a lot of us felt a kind of simplification. A kind of humility that came over us and that gives you a lot of energy. You just know where you are going and you are proud to be a part of it. And you let go. That was the experience I think many of us had.

Olmos: We had a meeting at the very beginning of the show and we all, 13 of us, sat down in my trailer—

McDonnell: He had the biggest trailer.

Omos: —it was beautiful! And we sat down as we discussed the possibilities. I talked to them about making sure we understood that if, by chance, this situation was to move forward and we were to do this as a series, and this was to go on to for one year, four years, ten years, who knows, that we had to understand what that meant… I just knew that…the story would have a beginning, a middle and an end, and that we had to pace ourselves.

So at the end of the third season, beginning of fourth season, we had a meeting, and we were told then that this was going to be the final season. Everybody got very depressed…I don’t think any of the actors wanted to stop the show… But we had hit the end, we were going into the fourth and final act. And we knew it. So we talked about the very first time we ever got together, and we said it’s like a marathon. In marathon you have to start off fast, really really intensely strong, your first mile has to extraordinary. Then the next 24 miles have to be consistent…. And then the last mile has to be the strongest mile that you’ve run the whole 26 miles…To win it, your final mile has to be your strongest mile… So we knew where we where coming from, we knew where we were, and now we knew where were going… I think that led to some of our strongest performances.

In the last scene, are “Six” and “Baltar” angels or demons?

Moore: I think they’re both. We never try to name exactly what the “Head” characters are—we called them “Head Baltar” and “Head Six” all throughout the show, internally. We never really looked at them as angels or demons because they seemed to periodically say evil things and good things, they tended to save people and they tended to **** people. There was this sense that they worked in service of something else. You could say “a higher power” or you could say “another power,” [but] they were in service to something else that was guiding and helping, sometimes obstructing, and sometimes tempting the people on the show. The idea at the very end was that whatever they are in service to continues and is eternal and is always around. And they too are still around…and with all of us who are the children of Hera. They continue to walk among us and watch, and at some point they may or may not intercede at a key moment.

Lucifer · 03-21-2009, 03:38 AM

I must admit I'm a little disappointed in the finale. It wrapped up satisfactorily, the attack on the Cylon colony was spectacular, but then they went and ripped off "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" for the ending of it all. Don't any of you Sci-Fi geeks remember the ending of the 2nd book of the 'trilogy' The Restaurant at the End of the Universe: Ford and Arthur end up on ancient Earth with the ark load of middle management types:

Chapter 33

A mile or so away through the wood, Arthur Dent was too busily engrossed with what he was doing to hear Ford Prefect approach.

What he was doing was rather curious, and this is what it was: on a wide flat piece of rock he had scratched out the shape of a large square, subdivided into one hundred and sixty-nine smaller squares, thirteen to a side.

Furthermore he had collected together a pile of smallish flattish stones and scratched the shape of a letter on to each. Sitting morosely round the rock were a couple of the surviving local native men whom Arthur Dent was trying to introduce the curious concept embodied in these stones.

So far they had not done well. They had attempted to eat some of them, bury others and throw the rest of them away. Arthur had finally encouraged one of them to lay a couple of stones on the board he had scratched out, which was not even as far as he'd managed to get the day before. Along with the rapid deterioration in the morale of these creatures, there seemed to be a corresponding deterioration in their actual intelligence.

In an attempt to egg them along, Arthur set out a number of letters on the board himself, and then tried to encourage the natives to add some more themselves.

It was not going well.

Ford watched quietly from beside a nearby tree.

"No," said Arthur to one of the natives who had just shuffled some of the letters round in a fit of abysmal dejection, "Q scores ten you see, and it's on a triple word score, so ... look, I've explained the rules to you ... no no, look please, put down that jawbone ... alright, we'll start again. And try to concentrate this time."

Ford leaned his elbow against the tree and his hand against his head.

"What are you doing, Arthur?" he asked quietly.

Arthur looked up with a start. He suddenly had a feeling that all this might look slightly foolish. All he knew was that it had worked like a dream on him when he was a child. But things were different then, or rather would be.

"I'm trying to teach the cavemen to play Scrabble," he said.

"They're not cavemen," said Ford.

"They look like cavemen."

Ford let it pass.

"I see," he said.

"It's uphill work," said Arthur wearily, "the only word they know is grunt and they can't spell it."

He sighed and sat back.

"What's that supposed to achieve?" asked Ford.

"We've got to encourage them to evolve! To develop!" Arthur burst out angrily. He hoped that the weary sigh and then the anger might do something to counteract the overriding feeling of foolishness from which he was currently suffering. It didn't. He jumped to his feet.

"Can you imagine what a world would be like descended from those ... cretins we arrived with?" he said.

"Imagine?" said Ford, rising his eyebrows. "We don't have to imagine. We've seen it."

"But ..." Arthur waved his arms about hopelessly.

"We've seen it," said Ford, "there's no escape."

Arthur kicked at a stone.

"Did you tell them what we've discovered?" he asked.

"Hmmmm?" said Ford, not really concentrating.

"Norway," said Arthur, "Slartibartfast's signature in the glacier. Did you tell them?"

"What's the point?" said Ford, "What would it mean to them?"

"Mean?" said Arthur, "Mean? You know perfectly well what it means. It means that this planet is the Earth! It's my home! It's where I was born!"

"Was?" said Ford.

"Alright, will be."

"Yes, in two million years' time. Why don't you tell them that? Go and say to them, 'Excuse me, I'd just like to point out that in two million years' time I will be born just a few miles from here.' See what they say. They'll chase you up a tree and set fire to it."

Arthur absorbed this unhappily.

"Face it," said Ford, "those zeebs over there are your ancestors, not these poor creatures here."

He went over to where the apemen creatures were rummaging listlessly with the stone letters. He shook his head.

"Put the Scrabble away, Arthur," he said, "it won't save the human race, because this lot aren't going to be the human race. The human race is currently sitting round a rock on the other side of this hill making documentaries about themselves."

Arthur winced.

03-06-2009, 08:05 PM	#962 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we are about to witness a series finale that will go down as one of the great ones you'll read about in TV Guide years from now. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

03-07-2009, 11:47 PM	#963 (permalink)
westothemax Insane Location: Bay Area	Good call about Anders. I was thinking the Galactica not being networked (the show said "firewalled") might be an issue, but the writers got around that one. Were those "classic" Cylon raiders in the hanger where Boomer landed her Raptor? That was the Cylon Colony right? The best part was President Roslin smoking out Adama in the sick bay. I lol'd. Another unintentionally funny scene? There's no way they're going to strip Galactica for parts and abandon ship. Either she lives through the finale, or goes down fighting Cavill. Last edited by westothemax; 03-09-2009 at 11:17 AM..

03-08-2009, 03:03 AM	#964 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	I was kind of hoping that they might gut strip Galactica, move the people from the fleet on board and mold/meld/merge Galactica into one of the arms on the Basestar, just let that biomatter gunk make her part of the structure. Fresnelly sure called the Ander's Hybridization right on. I laughed out loud when I saw the red lights on the bulkheads and him sitting in the bath-thingy. Got any more bright ideas, Fresn? __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-08-2009, 05:16 AM	#965 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	I stood up and made the successful field goal signal when I saw it . I think what happens next is obvious, though how it plays out is a tough one. Adama has resolved to send Galactica "off in style", which to me means only one thing: "RAMMING SPEED!!" Adama is going to remove all but a skeleton crew of volunteers, load it up with nukes, and send the whole thing hurtling into the Cylon colony. I don't know what's going to happen after the point of contact but you can bet it's going to be a special effects orgasm. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

03-08-2009, 08:45 AM	#966 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	This is quite possibly the best single quote recap of the latest BSG (courtesy of Television Without Pity - thank-you Willravel for introducing me to that internet gem): So Kara wanders around peeing in front of people and offering Sam some Kevorkian therapy before a well-timed piece of Baltar Bullshit and a sweet little speech from Lee help her pull it together and stop making her existential issues everybody's problem. Gaius blows her spot about being a zombie, on the way to his usual religious crap, but nobody even really cares. Meanwhile, the 268s have plugged Sam into a Hybrid tub in the hopes of rebooting him, but instead he Hybrid-connects himself to the Cylon goo and is now pretty much Battlegod Godlactica. The Colonel reacts to this with some gritty annoyance. But I'm still puzzled over the whole Kara "Harbinger of Death" Thrace thing. Is she dead? Is she alive? __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321 Last edited by Lucifer; 03-08-2009 at 08:47 AM..

03-06-2009, 01:44 PM	#961 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Maybe the whole thing is taking place inside Hera's snow-globe...

03-08-2009, 08:42 PM	#968 (permalink)
gardens Tilted Location: Kolob	I think part of the Anders thing is that Anders will fly BSG into cavils colony without there needing to be a skeleton crew, because of the crap Anders pulled while still being firewalled out of the computers imagine what he could do hooked in? basically cavil has no idea what hes in for, Am I the only one who thinks Baltar and Caprica Six will go in undercover to the colony and get Hera out through some sort of "magic" way hence fulfilling the opera house, the vision has been told many times from many different people could it be that because everybody is looking for Hera and the opera house is simply a "sending" like boomers/chiefs

03-09-2009, 12:21 AM	#969 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	I think I understand what the "Harbinger of Death" thing is going to be, but I can't quite put it into words. I highly doubt Kara will "switch on" and nuke all the survivors. I think she's going to be presented with a choice to save everyone now only to doom them very far into the future, or sacrifice a bunch of people now and prevent some future war. Or it could be that her choice is to not share whatever information she finds on how she resurrected therefore preventing people from being reborn, therefore "causing" everyone to eventually die a permanent death.. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

03-09-2009, 05:28 AM	#970 (permalink)
Troublebot Intently Rocking Location: Davey's	Yep. I think Adama's going to strip the ship and head out to find Cavil and the colony, but not before the raptors find a suitable planet to settle on (hopefully a little nicer then the last few they've set down on: New Caprica, the algae planet, Earth). Once his people are ok, his job is done. I think Bill and Tigh will both die on Gallactica. Their friendship has been one constant in the whole series, so it would be good to see them finish up together. If this whole thing wasn't wrapping up so satisfyingly, I'd be more upset that it was ending. So glad I've watched this show. __________________ Howard Moon: The wind is my only friend. Wind: [whistling] I hate you.

03-09-2009, 05:59 AM	#971 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	I hope that Adama and Tigh take Baltar down with them! __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-14-2009, 10:26 AM	#973 (permalink)
Jove Groovy Hipster Nerd Location: Michigan	Is it possible that we are going to see the battle of the universe next week that ends with everyone getting destroyed by a black hole?

03-16-2009, 08:37 AM	#975 (permalink)
Troublebot Intently Rocking Location: Davey's	Wow. My guess was always that Baltar stayed with the fleet. That his "chapter" to write was to guide the remaining people to a new place to live (not that he did all that well with it last time), but from the previews, it looks like he's on Galactica. I guess that makes sense, he still needs to figure out why he has Six in his head, doesn't he? Plus, he's so flawed. He needs to atone... maybe blood is the only way that can happen. I would say that anyone who goes with Gallactica ain't coming back, but someone has to rescue Hera, right? Will it be both the fighting Agathons or only one. Who else? I think it'll be a blood bath. I plan of weeping for each one that falls when this great show ends. __________________ Howard Moon: The wind is my only friend. Wind: [whistling] I hate you.

03-16-2009, 09:23 AM	#976 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	This is going to be a long week.

03-16-2009, 11:02 AM	#977 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	I'm pretty sure that we've already been given the answer as to why Baltar sees Head Six. And he certainly believes he has the answer. She's an angel. Interestingly, it occurred to me the other day that the only characters that have seen "head" people have also experienced death. Starbuck saw Head Piano Guy after dying, Six is a cylon so she has obviously died and been resurrected and she has seen Head Baltar,... and perhaps Baltar died in the explosion on Caprica. We still have not been given an answer as to how he survived that. It fits with the head people being angels too: these characters each straddle this life and the next. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-16-2009, 11:41 AM	#978 (permalink)
robot_parade Junkie Location: San Antonio, TX	I seems pretty clear to me that Starbuck died, and came back. The most likely scenario to me is that she is indeed Daniel's daughter. That neatly explains the resurrection, her painting the supernova, knowing the cylon song, etc, etc. I think Daniel (or a set of Daniels) is out there somewhere, coordinating things, most probably working against Cavil and for peaceful human/cylon relations. Starbuck is therefore the first (known) human/cylon hybrid.

03-16-2009, 11:59 AM	#979 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I dunno. While I still think Kara was Daniel's daughter, I don't think it's just a Daniel or some Daniels that are pulling the strings. I like the symmetry of Daniel being the anti-Cavil, but I still think it's the third party.

03-16-2009, 03:41 PM	#981 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	It would not be introducing new characters to say that there is a supernatural force at work here. It has been increasingly apparent, from the very beginning of the series, that there is a supernatural force in the BSG universe. I don't think it will turn out to be a Ship of Lights type deal anymore, and in fact I don't think this supernatural force will be explored to much degree at all. Everything that needs to be established has already been shown: there is a supernatural force and the head characters are a part of that supernatural force. The idea that Starbuck is Daniel's daughter does not actually explain anything regarding her death. So she can resurrect because she's a hybrid? Where did she resurrect? Why doesn't she remember resurrecting like every single other resurrected character does? How did she end up in a brand new viper? If there was a brand new viper just waiting for her and somehow she was able to resurrect into that rather than the necessary resurrection vat, then who put the viper there and planned for this. No matter what, it has been clearly established that there is a supernatural force at play. I don't think Starbuck has any relation to Daniel at all - it unnecessarily complicates things when the supernatural force of the universe is enough to explain everything. It would be a Deus ex Machina if there were not precedent. But so far we have had scripture, miraculous signs (the supernova is just one of many examples), and head characters who have proven to go well beyond just the head (disappearing Six in season 1, Head Six lifting Baltar up in season 4). This would not be coming out of nowhere, it would be deeply rooted in the very beginning of the series. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-16-2009, 03:47 PM	#982 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Kara being Daniel's daughter is about explaining her connection to the cylon, knowing the song, knowing parts of her future. It would only be about her rebirth in following with the importance of the hybrid storyline.

03-16-2009, 03:55 PM	#984 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Speaking of the maelstrom, have you been painting your avatar since you were little?

03-16-2009, 06:30 PM	#985 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	FYI, the imdb listing for the upcoming Caprica series has a character played by Eric Stoltz named "Daniel Graystone". Perhaps he's our #7 Daniel. Anyhoo, the black hole near the colony is the ultimate Elephant in the Room so I can't imagine it won't play a role in the finale. A conventional ending would lock the Galactica and Hub of the Colony together after a collision and send them on a mutual trajectory into the hole and doom. At the last second Anders jumps them away or Will's Third Party scoops them up and Cavil and Co. are left to plummet and die. It's all a bit neat and tidy but why not? A wilder ending treats the black hole as something mystical where anything's possible. I imagine we'll be spending a fair amount of time in the Opera House. I figure it's someone's happy place, like Boomer and Tyrol's house and just who that person is, will be a bit of a revelation. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

03-16-2009, 07:08 PM	#986 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Daniel Graystone is not #7. He is the guy who creates the cylons out of despair after losing his daughter. RDM has said flat out that there is absolutely no significance to Daniel, other than that they needed a #7 in order to have the Final Five be sequential. I'm not sure about what role the black hole or the opera house will play, but I'm anxious to find out. I've always been biased toward the idea of everyone dying except a handful of people to start the cycle anew. That may or may not be the direction they will go. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-18-2009, 01:47 PM	#991 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. This is a link to a video of Battlestar Galactica at the UN. You'll want to see this. Link (opens Real Player)

03-18-2009, 03:53 PM	#992 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	I can't stress just how much I abhor Real Player. Got a link for something less obtrusive? maybe Quicktime or WMP? __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-18-2009, 04:08 PM	#993 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Believe me I wish I did. I also hate RP.

03-20-2009, 07:34 PM	#994 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Spoilers ahead. First off, this was as good if not better than I expected. The attack on the cylon base was outstanding. Baltar and Six, Roselyn and Bill, Kara and Anders, Kara and Lee, etc. all really worked. I must admit I especially loved Athena and Helo coming out alive, I was very afraid that Helo was done for. I'm sad about the destruction of basically the entire skin job race, but it makes sense. It needed to happen for Hera to be the shape of things to come: humanity on Earth. Still, very big things are still a mystery. We don't know who the third party is. We know that they were making sure that the cycle continued so that humanity was given another chance to make the right decisions, but we don't know who they are and how it is they do what they do. I've got my suspicion (I'm pretty sure it's a Baltar from a previous cycle that evolved into something god-like), but we don't have enough information to know. And while we do know why Kara was brought back and by whom, we don't know how. All-in-all, Battlestar Galactica was about what television can do as a vehicle for storytelling. It was about throwing out convention and precedent, throwing off the chains of monotony. My hope is that Battlestar can stand as a model of how entertainment doesn't just have to be escapism, but it can be a mirror into our own selves, the best and worst of what we are, allowing us a better understanding of our existence. Now, I'm off to make the thread about Caprica... this thread has happened before and it will happen again.

03-20-2009, 10:13 PM	#995 (permalink)
FuglyStick WHEEEE! Whee! Whee! WHEEEE! Location: Southern Illinois	I was very pleased with the conclusion. __________________ AZIZ! LIGHT!

03-21-2009, 12:11 AM	#996 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	I just wanna say, HOLY SHIT BEST FINALE EVER! I loved the old school centurions, I loved seeing Tyrol strangle that bitch that killed his wife and the ending was more satisfying than I expected. I'm so glad this series had a planned ending. That's such a rare thing nowadays. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry Last edited by Reese; 03-21-2009 at 12:14 AM..

03-21-2009, 02:54 AM	#998 (permalink)
PonyPotato Soaring Location: Ohio!	Now that the series is over, I can bitch about the one thing that bugged the shit out of me - the writers made a mistake with Callie. Why would she want to put her baby out the airlock if little Nick WASN'T actually Gaelin's child?? They tell us later that Nick is Hot Dog's kid.. but that wouldn't explain in any way why she would want to kill the kid over his "father" being a cylon. That just really bothers me. /end rant __________________ "Without passion man is a mere latent force and possibility, like the flint which awaits the shock of the iron before it can give forth its spark." — Henri-Frédéric Amiel

03-21-2009, 03:38 AM	#1000 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	I must admit I'm a little disappointed in the finale. It wrapped up satisfactorily, the attack on the Cylon colony was spectacular, but then they went and ripped off "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" for the ending of it all. Don't any of you Sci-Fi geeks remember the ending of the 2nd book of the 'trilogy' The Restaurant at the End of the Universe: Ford and Arthur end up on ancient Earth with the ark load of middle management types: Chapter 33 A mile or so away through the wood, Arthur Dent was too busily engrossed with what he was doing to hear Ford Prefect approach. What he was doing was rather curious, and this is what it was: on a wide flat piece of rock he had scratched out the shape of a large square, subdivided into one hundred and sixty-nine smaller squares, thirteen to a side. Furthermore he had collected together a pile of smallish flattish stones and scratched the shape of a letter on to each. Sitting morosely round the rock were a couple of the surviving local native men whom Arthur Dent was trying to introduce the curious concept embodied in these stones. So far they had not done well. They had attempted to eat some of them, bury others and throw the rest of them away. Arthur had finally encouraged one of them to lay a couple of stones on the board he had scratched out, which was not even as far as he'd managed to get the day before. Along with the rapid deterioration in the morale of these creatures, there seemed to be a corresponding deterioration in their actual intelligence. In an attempt to egg them along, Arthur set out a number of letters on the board himself, and then tried to encourage the natives to add some more themselves. It was not going well. Ford watched quietly from beside a nearby tree. "No," said Arthur to one of the natives who had just shuffled some of the letters round in a fit of abysmal dejection, "Q scores ten you see, and it's on a triple word score, so ... look, I've explained the rules to you ... no no, look please, put down that jawbone ... alright, we'll start again. And try to concentrate this time." Ford leaned his elbow against the tree and his hand against his head. "What are you doing, Arthur?" he asked quietly. Arthur looked up with a start. He suddenly had a feeling that all this might look slightly foolish. All he knew was that it had worked like a dream on him when he was a child. But things were different then, or rather would be. "I'm trying to teach the cavemen to play Scrabble," he said. "They're not cavemen," said Ford. "They look like cavemen." Ford let it pass. "I see," he said. "It's uphill work," said Arthur wearily, "the only word they know is grunt and they can't spell it." He sighed and sat back. "What's that supposed to achieve?" asked Ford. "We've got to encourage them to evolve! To develop!" Arthur burst out angrily. He hoped that the weary sigh and then the anger might do something to counteract the overriding feeling of foolishness from which he was currently suffering. It didn't. He jumped to his feet. "Can you imagine what a world would be like descended from those ... cretins we arrived with?" he said. "Imagine?" said Ford, rising his eyebrows. "We don't have to imagine. We've seen it." "But ..." Arthur waved his arms about hopelessly. "We've seen it," said Ford, "there's no escape." Arthur kicked at a stone. "Did you tell them what we've discovered?" he asked. "Hmmmm?" said Ford, not really concentrating. "Norway," said Arthur, "Slartibartfast's signature in the glacier. Did you tell them?" "What's the point?" said Ford, "What would it mean to them?" "Mean?" said Arthur, "Mean? You know perfectly well what it means. It means that this planet is the Earth! It's my home! It's where I was born!" "Was?" said Ford. "Alright, will be." "Yes, in two million years' time. Why don't you tell them that? Go and say to them, 'Excuse me, I'd just like to point out that in two million years' time I will be born just a few miles from here.' See what they say. They'll chase you up a tree and set fire to it." Arthur absorbed this unhappily. "Face it," said Ford, "those zeebs over there are your ancestors, not these poor creatures here." He went over to where the apemen creatures were rummaging listlessly with the stone letters. He shook his head. "Put the Scrabble away, Arthur," he said, "it won't save the human race, because this lot aren't going to be the human race. The human race is currently sitting round a rock on the other side of this hill making documentaries about themselves." Arthur winced. __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321