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MuadDib · 11-23-2003, 10:09 PM

Since I joined this forum I have gotten many positive comments about my name and have found there to be many Dune fans here. Personally, I think it is the best work of science fiction ever written. It is so detailed and combines so many different "feints within feints". It's all about religion, politics, family, the environment, survival, and morality. Plus it combinds all of these things to show how they relate. Also, the way countless references to Judaism are facinating.
I am also I huge LOTR fan but those novels are so one dimensional. Its an epic story of heroism, wisdom, and growth but that is it. There is no inner turmoil or meta-issues nor any intrigue or mystery. Though I love this series I still think it is a distant second to Dune.
What do you folks think of Dune in general and in comparison to other science fiction works? Whats your favorite Dune novel? Hell, I just read the series again and in a mood to talk about anything remotely related to Dune so bring it on.

Mephisto2 · 11-23-2003, 10:27 PM

I only read the first book and I loved it. Though, I have to admit, that was years ago and I find it very hard to find interesting or engaging fiction any longer, let alone science fiction which tends toward kitsch a lot of the time.

William Gibson, Dan Simmons and Iain M Banks withstanding.

I heard the subsequent books were no where near as good as the first, so I never read them. Indeed, didn't his family (or estate) sell the rights? I have vague memories of "ghost written" titles in the series that Frank had nothing to do with.

Either way, the first book was great. I can't comment about the others.

What did you think of the movie? There was also a big-budget mini-series recently that got good reviews.

Mr Mephisto

MuadDib · 11-23-2003, 10:34 PM

The movie was alright, but the mini-series was truer to the novels which I appreciated. I, actually, got into the later books more than the first one. Especially, Heretics and Chapterhouse.
I can tell you that there is no truth to the Herbert estate selling the rights. There are 3 prequals written by Frank's son Brian and now he is writing 3 history/prequals that date back our immediate future (basically how we got from today to where they are in the Dune novels) after that he is gonna write the final book after Chapterhouse that Frank intended to write before he died. They are all based off his extensive notes that he had kept for decades. Its all very interesting and have grossed the Herbert family countless millions.

platypus · 11-24-2003, 06:51 AM

I read Dune series (the books written by Frank) long before the movie came out. It's been years, but I seem to think that the movie ended with a scene that, according to the books, would spell the end of intergalactic travel.

If I remember correctly...
Spice enables space travel.
Sand worms make the spice.
Water is poisonous to sand worms.

At the end of the movie, it's raining.

Dead sand worms = no spice = no space travel = end of galactic civilization.

I have not read any of Brian Herbert's books, but the original series is one of my favorites.

pocon1 · 11-24-2003, 08:50 AM

I read the first one, loved it, and died on the second one. Just could not get into it. Maybe someday I will try them again. I would like to hear how we got from here to there (the history of the war against the machines).

Rubyee · 11-24-2003, 01:13 PM

My boyfriend has all the books and movies- original version and SciFi version. All I can say is that they are very interesting, but you have to be a big, big fan of SciFi and very patient to sit and watch them.

MuadDib · 11-24-2003, 01:47 PM

Yeah, it doesn't rain at the end of the first book. Technically, the worms can endure some water but it is like acid to them and it doesn't take a lot to kill them so a brief shower might not do the trick but if it rained regularly enough to penetrate the desert then they would be done.
I think the second book is probably my least favorite in the series. It gets good at the end and you come away with a greater respect and knowledge about Paul, but it takes a long while to get to that point. Luckily, it is the shortest of all of the books and after that the plot really takes a turn.

rogue49 · 11-24-2003, 02:28 PM

I fell in love with David Lynch's version a long time ago.

The symbolism & imagery was beautiful & significant.
The book didn't seem to catch my attention as much.

I wish I had gotten to invest the time into the new series just made a bit ago.
Maybe I'll rent it out.

And maybe I'll have to allow invest into the time reading the rest of the series.

Hrothgar · 11-24-2003, 05:46 PM

I've read the first 3 Dune books and then the ones written by Frank Herbert's son. The Dune universe is incredible with the Bene Gesserits and the Mentats and the SPICE. I even dig David Lynch's interpretation. I was disappointed however by the Sci Fi channel's recent foray into the Dune universe mini series.

Mr. Mojo · 11-24-2003, 07:44 PM

I read only 3 of the books, by that time was done with the Dune Universe. I enjoyed the first one, very feudal in his structure and society. It was a mix of Middle ages England, with a mix of Arabic culture.
The last of the 3, Children of Dune, was good. I though the miniseries was very well done.
I never finished God Emperor of Dune, it felt 'phoned in'.

Dune website
http://www.dunenovels.com/classic.html

He's a old forum about the Miniseries:

http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread...&highlight=Dune

I stand by my Quote that made in May 19, 2003:

"How can you give a 'tie' in costumes!? The dreaded Sardaukar most feared soldier/convicts in the known universe looked like Pastry Chefs! (this is so hard to overlook in a other wise great miniseries)

Granted – in the movie, the Sardaukar looked like welders… I'd be more scared of a welder."

guthmund · 11-24-2003, 11:44 PM

I've read all the Dune books.

I thought the series of books, overall was fantastic, although there were some low points and lulls.

The recent books are good as well. I wasn't going to read them, but when I realized that Kevin J. Anderson was co-writing them (He's written or compiled a number of Star Wars books I've enjoyed) I gave them a read. I'm glad I did.

I couldn't get behind the David Lynch film. I've yet to see a David Lynch film I've enjoyed. However, I really liked the mini-series.

MuadDib · 12-11-2003, 09:32 AM

Has anyone read the newest one out from Herbert and Anderson? I really enjoyed the first one but havent gotten around to getting this newest one. Don't feed me spoilers but let me know if it holds up.

hobo · 12-13-2003, 09:42 PM

I've read the 6 original Dune books from Frank Herbert. I must say that I liked Children of Dune, Herectics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune the best. The last two were just great because they were technically one book and Herectics seamlessly transitioned into Chapterhouse IMO and because they were loaded with action and scheming and a lot of things that I never would have expected. Children of Dune was great because it brought up strong emotions in me, something I had not ever felt for a novel character before. I cried (silent tears, not sobbing) for Leto at the end because of the sacrifice he made and because his actions would not be honoured by others.

The original Dune saga rules. I haven't read any of the Brian Herbert books but I intend to read the Dune 7 that he is basing off of his father's notes when it finally comes out.

queedo · 12-14-2003, 02:23 PM

I really like Dune as well, it is nice to see somebody else who has seen it and liked it.

DeathsArrow · 12-14-2003, 04:45 PM

I just recently finshed Chapterhouse.

Book one is head and shoulders better than the rest of the series. I think there is too much talk head crap going on in the later books.

mirevolver · 12-14-2003, 07:49 PM

So far, I've read from Dune through God Emporer and have started on Heritics. Dune is definatly the best of the series.

I also can't stand the Movie, they cut so much out that it's appalling. But I do think that the miniseries was much better. I also liked the Chirldren of Dune miniseries, (the one that covers Dune Messiah and Childrean of Dune.)

11-23-2003, 10:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	Dune - The greatest SciFi epic of all time Since I joined this forum I have gotten many positive comments about my name and have found there to be many Dune fans here. Personally, I think it is the best work of science fiction ever written. It is so detailed and combines so many different "feints within feints". It's all about religion, politics, family, the environment, survival, and morality. Plus it combinds all of these things to show how they relate. Also, the way countless references to Judaism are facinating. I am also I huge LOTR fan but those novels are so one dimensional. Its an epic story of heroism, wisdom, and growth but that is it. There is no inner turmoil or meta-issues nor any intrigue or mystery. Though I love this series I still think it is a distant second to Dune. What do you folks think of Dune in general and in comparison to other science fiction works? Whats your favorite Dune novel? Hell, I just read the series again and in a mood to talk about anything remotely related to Dune so bring it on. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

11-23-2003, 10:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	The movie was alright, but the mini-series was truer to the novels which I appreciated. I, actually, got into the later books more than the first one. Especially, Heretics and Chapterhouse. I can tell you that there is no truth to the Herbert estate selling the rights. There are 3 prequals written by Frank's son Brian and now he is writing 3 history/prequals that date back our immediate future (basically how we got from today to where they are in the Dune novels) after that he is gonna write the final book after Chapterhouse that Frank intended to write before he died. They are all based off his extensive notes that he had kept for decades. Its all very interesting and have grossed the Herbert family countless millions. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

11-24-2003, 06:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
platypus Essen meine kurze Hosen Location: NY Burbs	I read Dune series (the books written by Frank) long before the movie came out. It's been years, but I seem to think that the movie ended with a scene that, according to the books, would spell the end of intergalactic travel. If I remember correctly... Spice enables space travel. Sand worms make the spice. Water is poisonous to sand worms. At the end of the movie, it's raining. Dead sand worms = no spice = no space travel = end of galactic civilization. I have not read any of Brian Herbert's books, but the original series is one of my favorites. __________________ Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net.

11-24-2003, 01:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rubyee I'm baaaaack!	My boyfriend has all the books and movies- original version and SciFi version. All I can say is that they are very interesting, but you have to be a big, big fan of SciFi and very patient to sit and watch them. __________________ You don't know from fun.

11-24-2003, 01:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	Yeah, it doesn't rain at the end of the first book. Technically, the worms can endure some water but it is like acid to them and it doesn't take a lot to kill them so a brief shower might not do the trick but if it rained regularly enough to penetrate the desert then they would be done. I think the second book is probably my least favorite in the series. It gets good at the end and you come away with a greater respect and knowledge about Paul, but it takes a long while to get to that point. Luckily, it is the shortest of all of the books and after that the plot really takes a turn. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

11-23-2003, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	I only read the first book and I loved it. Though, I have to admit, that was years ago and I find it very hard to find interesting or engaging fiction any longer, let alone science fiction which tends toward kitsch a lot of the time. William Gibson, Dan Simmons and Iain M Banks withstanding. I heard the subsequent books were no where near as good as the first, so I never read them. Indeed, didn't his family (or estate) sell the rights? I have vague memories of "ghost written" titles in the series that Frank had nothing to do with. Either way, the first book was great. I can't comment about the others. What did you think of the movie? There was also a big-budget mini-series recently that got good reviews. Mr Mephisto

11-24-2003, 08:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	I read the first one, loved it, and died on the second one. Just could not get into it. Maybe someday I will try them again. I would like to hear how we got from here to there (the history of the war against the machines).

11-24-2003, 02:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	I fell in love with David Lynch's version a long time ago. The symbolism & imagery was beautiful & significant. The book didn't seem to catch my attention as much. I wish I had gotten to invest the time into the new series just made a bit ago. Maybe I'll rent it out. And maybe I'll have to allow invest into the time reading the rest of the series.

11-24-2003, 05:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	I've read the first 3 Dune books and then the ones written by Frank Herbert's son. The Dune universe is incredible with the Bene Gesserits and the Mentats and the SPICE. I even dig David Lynch's interpretation. I was disappointed however by the Sci Fi channel's recent foray into the Dune universe mini series. __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.

11-24-2003, 07:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mr. Mojo Addict Location: NYC	I read only 3 of the books, by that time was done with the Dune Universe. I enjoyed the first one, very feudal in his structure and society. It was a mix of Middle ages England, with a mix of Arabic culture. The last of the 3, Children of Dune, was good. I though the miniseries was very well done. I never finished God Emperor of Dune, it felt 'phoned in'. Dune website http://www.dunenovels.com/classic.html He's a old forum about the Miniseries: http://tfproject.org/tfp/showthread...&highlight=Dune I stand by my Quote that made in May 19, 2003: "How can you give a 'tie' in costumes!? The dreaded Sardaukar most feared soldier/convicts in the known universe looked like Pastry Chefs! (this is so hard to overlook in a other wise great miniseries) Granted – in the movie, the Sardaukar looked like welders… I'd be more scared of a welder." __________________ When I jerk off I feel good for about twenty seconds and then WHAM it's right back into suicidal depression

11-24-2003, 11:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	I've read all the Dune books. I thought the series of books, overall was fantastic, although there were some low points and lulls. The recent books are good as well. I wasn't going to read them, but when I realized that Kevin J. Anderson was co-writing them (He's written or compiled a number of Star Wars books I've enjoyed) I gave them a read. I'm glad I did. I couldn't get behind the David Lynch film. I've yet to see a David Lynch film I've enjoyed. However, I really liked the mini-series. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

12-11-2003, 09:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	Has anyone read the newest one out from Herbert and Anderson? I really enjoyed the first one but havent gotten around to getting this newest one. Don't feed me spoilers but let me know if it holds up. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

12-13-2003, 09:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	I've read the 6 original Dune books from Frank Herbert. I must say that I liked Children of Dune, Herectics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune the best. The last two were just great because they were technically one book and Herectics seamlessly transitioned into Chapterhouse IMO and because they were loaded with action and scheming and a lot of things that I never would have expected. Children of Dune was great because it brought up strong emotions in me, something I had not ever felt for a novel character before. I cried (silent tears, not sobbing) for Leto at the end because of the sacrifice he made and because his actions would not be honoured by others. The original Dune saga rules. I haven't read any of the Brian Herbert books but I intend to read the Dune 7 that he is basing off of his father's notes when it finally comes out.

12-14-2003, 02:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
queedo Shodan	I really like Dune as well, it is nice to see somebody else who has seen it and liked it. __________________ If you think you can or you can't, you are right!

12-14-2003, 04:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
DeathsArrow Psycho	I just recently finshed Chapterhouse. Book one is head and shoulders better than the rest of the series. I think there is too much talk head crap going on in the later books.

12-14-2003, 07:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
mirevolver Inspired by the mind's eye. Location: Between the darkness and the light.	So far, I've read from Dune through God Emporer and have started on Heritics. Dune is definatly the best of the series. I also can't stand the Movie, they cut so much out that it's appalling. But I do think that the miniseries was much better. I also liked the Chirldren of Dune miniseries, (the one that covers Dune Messiah and Childrean of Dune.) __________________ Aside from my great plans to become the future dictator of the moon, I have little interest in political discussions.