Soggybagel

Read the book the other day (I was being cheap and just sat at a book store) but truely the book has made me think. Not that I'm gonig to stop eating unhealthy but those poor meat packers...its a fucking shame what that one man went through. Dedicating his whole life to the company and they just piss on him and fire him.

BigGov

That's what happens in big business now-a-days. Hardly anyone wants to reward loyalty or sacrifice. Once someone is no longer useful, they're gone.

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K-Wise

<a href="www.meetyourmeat.com">www.meetyourmeat.com</a>

Make ya feel a little different about the animals in the slaughter house too. I mean I it didn't make me wanna become a vegetarian cause I'm in love with bacon but I do feel a shred of sympathy for the poor creatures

Asta!!

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BigGov

http://www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

Sorry, I have to post that link everytime someone brings up animals being mistreated.

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K-Wise

I personally think most vegetarians are ignorant people to begin with. They say it's so horrible because it's a "Living creature" like that salad wasn't alive and growing (and technically still alive when you eat it cause they are still green) before you chopped it up and consumed it. It's no different if a carrot could scream as it's being ripped out of the ground believe me it would. Plus by eating all the vegetables they're taking more food away from the animals they love so much. Then you have the hardcore vegetarians who eat "raw food" aka uncooked vegetables. Stupidest think I've ever heard it's dying whether you cook it or not since ya plucked it from it's growing source. I can see how they'd feel sorry for the animals in the slaughter houses (cause it is really aweful) but to think just eating vegetables is any better is just ignorant.

Asta!!

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irseg

Nah. I just watched this and have seen many other similar videos. I don't see how slaughterhouses are so surprising or shocking. I guess if you previously thought meat just magically appears in supermarkets out of thin air, it might be.

I think I'll go pick up some lamb and veal tomorrow.

K-Wise

^ Hahaha good times. I still feel sorry regardless.

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Food Eater Lad

Vegatarians have to realise that there were no wars untill man learned how to farm.

drown_with_me

I'm not going to start or jump into a match of meateaters vs. vegetarians, but this book (I'm reading it right now) is more of an expose on the practices of Big Fast Food Business and how it has changed the face of America today ...and it's not for the better. Cut throat marketing, chemical additives, and a sprawling suburban mess.... this is our new America. woohoo.

One nation, under the Arches.

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Food Eater Lad

I am sure that even the stanchest meat eater will not argue that big fast food is the best, or even good. MY beef with McDonalds is the out right lying over the food's nutritial value and that 99% of their employees have no benifits. I feel that animals have two jobs, to fit right and to be delicicous. BUt I still dont like fast food as an industry. I like workers to be taken care of better. Still no one is forcing them to work there. Two sides to ever story.

anleja

From Jimmy4's link:
"How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies."

I thought that was pretty funny. I am no vegetarian in any sense of the word, but I personally try to not eat too much meat. I did read Fast Food Nation and was pretty repulsed by the whole industry. It's really nothing I get righteous about, just eating meat sometimes grosses me out now, psycologically. I feel I also have less chance of getting e. coli or some other poop disease if I find alternatives to meat. People CAN get e. coli from vegetables, but I'd be willing to bet that veggies are still safer. Also I think it's common practice to feed animals parts of their own species, I doubt that can be safe.

An interesting side note from Fast Food Nation, Willard Scott was the first Ronald McDonald, but they replaced him because they wanted a skinny Ronald, to downplay the fact that McDonald's can get people fat.

zenmaster10665

I am not currently a vegetarian (although I have been on-and-off), however, I do feel that vegetarianism is a good idea...after all, the act of feeding grain and vegetables to animals to fatten them up for slaughter to feed to humans seems disgustingly wasteful in the larger scheme of things when you have a lot of people starving in this world.

A wise man (Albert Einstein) once said that the natural evolution (psychologically and socially) would lead to a vegetarian diet.

Personally, I like meat, and I dont have a problem with eating meat for the reasons of "animals have feelings," however, I think that it is important to use food in the best possible way...and making cows fatter and more tasty to richer humans seems a bit wrong to me....

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Food Eater Lad

So the fact that some people produce too many children means I cant eat a hamburger? The problem isnt what we eat, its that people dont pratice birth control.

Look supposes we all go vegatarian, how long till people are starving again? We can only make so much food. The answer is have a population that the world can support. If we all go veggie, then fine. Sooner or later the population will rise to a point that starvation happens again. Then what? Who will be the evil problem causers then?

I blame the people who have kids that cant feed them. Is it harsh? You betcha, but tell that to the tiger as he eats a lamb, or a bear as he eats a salman. Nature is harsh.

Loup

I'm reading Fast Food Nations right now for one of my classes ... just finished Chapter 8 "The Most Dangerous Job" and Chapter 9 "What's In The Meat". So many things in the book are so disgusting; from the lower level of processing the foods right to the top executives and there lying ways. Although Schlosser sounds biased in many aspects in the book - government wise specifically.
I agree with you K-Wise, but I'ld also include that anybody on the extreme side of a topic would be ignorant (including the all out meat eaters). Once you get fixed on a subject, it's hard to see the other side of the fence - either because you are so fixed on your side or just the fact that you don't want to.
The turn-over rate in that industry is just to high and from the sounds of the book, that's the way the big-wigs want it. If a McDonalds tries to get a Union for it's employees, they just shut it down and open a new one one block away (it happened here in Montreal and is mentioned in FFN) - I was told that only 1 McDonalds does have a Union, but besides heresay I have nothing to prove it.
Nature is harsh. Humanity is not suppose to be. But it is.

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supersix2

I'm currently reading this for my English class. I just started Chapter 3.
I pretty much disagree with everything Schlosser is writing about, although I do find it interesting. The part I find most interesting about the book is how he seems to be able to link every single social problem this nation has to the fast food industry. I must give credit to Schlosser for being very creative with his book; however, I have to say I classify it more fiction than fact.
I'm not saying he made up the "facts" he supports his argument with but I just think he found, through research, creative ways to link the fast food industry to numerous problems we have.

Food Eater Lad

Humans are a part of nature.

K-Wise

Agree with ya completely man. I don't eat much vegetables not that I think about it :\ perhaps I should.

Asta!!

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Doos

Figure I picked up in an anthro class. 75% of the grain (or corn or something ) grown in the US goes to feed cattle, etc.

So we already have the food.

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Doos

Then why are we destroying it so fast?

You might want to re-examine the history of Easter Island.

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santafe5000

Read it when it was first published and it's not so much as what's in the food as it is the way the industry treats its's people that I find disturbing. Good overall expose' of the fast food industry.

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CSflim

Vegetarians - Roger McGough

Vegetarians are cruel, unthinking people.
Everybody knows that a carrot screams when grated.
That a peach bleeds when torn apart.
Do you believe an orange insensitive
to thumbs gouging out its flesh?
That tomatoes spill their brains painlessly?
Potatoes, skinned alive and boiled,
the soil's little lobsters.
Don't tell me it doesn't hurt
when peas are ripped from their overcoats,
the hide flayed off sprouts,
cabbage shredded, onions beheaded.

Throw in the trowel
and lay down the hoe.
Mow no more
Let my people go!

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Food Eater Lad

You dont get it. So we feed eveyone now, then they all breed and there is more humans tomorrow. Sooner or later even if we are all veggies there will not be enough food. The key is to curb population growth, not make new ways to make more productive food yeilds, for that just leads to higher populations and the cycle continues.

Food Eater Lad

Humans are not naturally made? Birds build nests, are nests and birds part of nature? Beavers make dams that cause rivers to swell that drown insects and other land animals, are they and their dams not nature?

Humans make buildings, planes, cars etc.. all of which is part of nature. Humans are doing what humans do.

Food Eater Lad

Csfilm.,


Your sig proves nothing, all it shows was that her experiment didnt work. Actually it proves that whatever school awarded this first prize is seriously lacking in the scientific method.

Soggybagel

Okay I'm glad how the topic suddendly got turned freakishly away from the main idea. Bottom line is the book in my opinion is a good read and its a goddamn tragedy what that one guy went through...breaking and bending his body until he had nothing left and then they fired him.

Peutetre

I'm glad to see so many people have such 'wonderful' opinions of vegetarians. I am a vegetarian. I don't eat meat. I don't call meat eaters ignorant, or criticize them for eating meat. It blows my mind that so many people think it is okay to be so rude about what is essentially an eating habit. I don't eat meat... get over it! As for the 'carrots can hurt too' theory, which I have heard so many times, I can only say that I choose to eat a vegetarian diet without worrying so much about the vegetables life, as you eat meat without worrying about the animals life. No one is any better than anyone else when it comes to food... we all need it to live.
About the book Fast Food Nation (which interestingly enough has nothing to do with vegetarians and the author is not a vegetarian and claims to eat about as much fast food as anyone else in this country), I thought it was a very interesting view of the meat packing industry, fast food, and just the general overview of life in america. I liked how it wasn't skewed by a prejudice vegetarian view (someone who already thinks the meat packers are wrong). I got a lot out of the book and it made me think about the quality of food I eat, but if I wasn't already a vegetarian I don't think it would have made me stop eating meat. Then again, that wasn't the point of the book....

CSflim

Off topic....but my sig is a joke, making fun of "Creation Science".
I am an atheistic evolutionist to the core!

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CSflim

Yeah...seriously...carrots don't have central nervous systems...they could not feel anything!

Anyway, I think the "vegetarians are ignorant" statements, while imho quite off the mark, wer more aimed at the very vocal and condescending vegetarians, who consider themselves on a higher moral plain than us omnivores.

Animals kill other animals for meat. Its a fact of life. Human's are animals, so we eat to live. Nothing wrong with eating meat...nothing wrong with eating veg either (I do both!)

Again, Fast Food nation had nothing to do with vegetarianism, and is certainly not going to stop me eating meat.

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Food Eater Lad

Ok cool, cause it is WAAAAAAY off as far a science goes.

Food Eater Lad

I am not against vegatarians per se, but I am against vegatarians the are on the so called high moral ground. If you just dont eat meat and thats that, cool. More power to you. Just dont preach, cause there is no moral high ground to get here. Everyone's diet is their own buisness.

JimmyTheHutt

Sad but true. The agrarian revolution led to the rise of the nation/city-state, and with that came the concept of us against them.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

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Mephisto2

That's got to be the most stupid comment I've ever seen posted on this board.

Sheesh...


Mr Mephisto

PS - For the record, I'm not a vegetarian. I love my meat (hehe).

K-Wise

Actually no...it's not. Not if you read the rest of what I was saying. But you aren't that type of person are you?


Hey if you aren't one of those vegetarians who considers it horrible to "kill a living creature" aka meat like some are that try to go into bouts of self-righteous babble about how I'm wrong for eating meat than those comments weren't directed to you. Most of the vegetarians I've met are on that sort of mind-set. If you eat it because of dietary reasons (I believe it is much healthier) or because you feel a great deal of remorse for the animals slaughtered than good for you. I commend that. But don't be one of those people who think farming and eating vegetables all the time hasn't directly affected the animal population more than just buying a slab a meat shipped over to a meat market from a slaughter house. The only difference is a preference.

Asta!!

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G5_Todd

i feel bad for them....but im not gonna eat any less meat now.....

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Sleepyjack

Cool, I started reading this yesterday and has been extremely informative and compelling so far