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happymaan · 11-07-2003, 01:40 AM

What's with Jack's secretary/assistant? Jack apologized to her but she’s acting weird to everyone, even Tony. I bet she’s gonna mess something up.

I wonder if the season ends with Jack dying and telling Chase he has his blessing to date his daughter.

GSRIDER · 11-07-2003, 10:13 AM

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The cliffhanger this week is that the guy that has been keeping an eye on Kyle is actually a CTU employee. PLEASE! How many moles or spies can that agency have inside it? It has to be the most insecure agency in the country. Jamie, Nina, and now this guy. We don't really know that much about him as of yet, but I am assuming he works in the office closely with Kim, Tony, and Michelle. I just wish they would think of something more creative than rehashing the whole spy in the agency bit again this season.

Wouldn't CTU know if someone was using equipment to monitor things they possibly should not be... like Kyles home.

Snakebyt · 11-07-2003, 01:37 PM

i watched a few episodes of season 2, now i want to go buy the dvd sets so i can see it all

tikki · 11-07-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by GSRIDER
Wouldn't CTU know if someone was using equipment to monitor things they possibly should not be... like Kyles home.

They didn't know Jamie was doing the same kinda stuff back in season 1. Maybe this new mole has a job like hers....

burgerdog · 11-08-2003, 03:43 AM

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I hope they aren't prepping the Chase character to star in the next season or get a new star.

If Jack dies in this one, I want the show to die with him. It just would not be the same without Sutherland.

the could always make season 4 take place sometime between seasons 2 and 3 if they kill Jack this season.

Seems like there is plenty of story in there...

man I love this show.

trench · 11-10-2003, 09:31 PM

I know I'm in the minority here but I still think that 24 could work with replacement characters. it hasn't hurt Law and Order. BUt I really don't want to see Jack killed.

Smashingbanana · 11-10-2003, 10:35 PM

Trench I agree with you, i think that 24 would still be one of the best shows on tv without Jack. But the presence Jack brings is so hard to find. Tony sometimes has it going, and even Mason had it in season two. Im still hoping he doesnt die

gabshu · 11-11-2003, 06:46 PM

Dude, is that the dell kid? I love the dell kid, that makes me so happy.

tikki · 11-11-2003, 07:41 PM

24 Day 3: 3pm - 4pm

Wow. When TV Guide said there would be a big shock in the first three episodes, and at the end of this episode I yelled out loud, "Holy Shit!"

I guess the big thing to talk about this week is Tony pretty much getting removed from this season after getting shot in the neck. Whether or not he has been offed entirely is unknown, but I am highly doubting it since Michelle seemed composed in the trailer for next week.

This is what makes 24 so awesome. No one is safe. I was really happy to see Tony get out in the field again because his scenes at the Warner house last year were awesome, but I didn't see him getting shot, and especially not so early in the season.

I grabbed that Nicole is an old friend of Jack's (possible former fling?) that he hasn't spoken with since Teri's death (approx 4.5 years ago). She easily picked up that Jack is shooting up. I don't really think she has much of a character at the moment. She is a mere virologist, but I have to imagine there is more to her than that. I don't really see her coming on to Jack or anything like that, but maybe she will be the one to turn Jack in...well if Chase doesn't.

We began to see Chase's temper in this episode. When he found that Tony was going in the field at the orders of Jack, he went ballistic. It is causing strains in his relationship with Kim, but I really don't think he is going to break it off with her. If anything, he is going to just walk out of CTU and find Jack.

The Palmer storyline with Ann seems like a rehash of the past two seasons, but with a different woman. I am tired of the trust issues that Palmer has with the women in his life. Wayne finally admitted his dislike of Ann, and I can definitely see him going to extremes to make sure Ann is not a factor in his brother's reelection.

Kyle Singer was infected with the virus when he was in Mexico 11 hours ago, so come the end of sweeps he will be contagious. I assume for the next 3 hours we are going to have to build up to some kind of hostage situation with Jack and Salizar's people facing off over Singer somewhere.

Mr. Spacemonkey · 11-11-2003, 08:39 PM

I gotta admit, i didn't see that coming. I cannot believe Tony got shot in the neck. I knew something big was supposed to happen but i wasn't expecting that. Wow!

But as you said, that's what makes 24 so great. Knowing anything could happen.

ironchef82 · 11-11-2003, 09:36 PM

Wow... (just watched a tape now)

This show rules. I didn't have a clue it was coming either. I thought it was something more subtle, like the sketchy dealer guy somehow infecting Tony or something when he brushed against him as Tony was about to encounter Kyle.

Do you all think Tony is dead? Michelle might seem composed from the trailer simply because they haven't told her yet.

wondash · 11-12-2003, 08:31 AM

Why would the guy shoot a gun, at Tony or the kid? It doesn't make any sense.

tikki · 11-12-2003, 08:53 AM

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Why would the guy shoot a gun, at Tony or the kid? It doesn't make any sense.

Because it CTU takes in Kyle Singer, he can't infect the population. Remember, he is the carrier of the virus. By keeping him on the streets, he is going to infect anyone he is around.

ironchef82 · 11-12-2003, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by wondash
Why would the guy shoot a gun, at Tony or the kid? It doesn't make any sense.

He did this in order to create a diversion so that the kid could naturally escape. The terrorists knew that once the kid was taken into custody, their leverage would be taken out of play and their boss (Salazar) would still be in jail. In order to prevent that, the guy had to create chaos and hope that the kid would become free in the resulting chaos, which judging from the previews of next week, this indeed will happen. Then they can go ahead and capture him and then proceed to use him to spread the virus.

The guy wouldn't shoot the kid, this would also negate the only thing they have in hoping to get Salazar out of jail.

--wow Tikki, we posted at like the same time--

wondash · 11-12-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by ironchef82
He did this in order to create a diversion so that the kid could naturally escape. The terrorists knew that once the kid was taken into custody, their leverage would be taken out of play and their boss (Salazar) would still be in jail. In order to prevent that, the guy had to create chaos and hope that the kid would become free in the resulting chaos, which judging from the previews of next week, this indeed will happen. Then they can go ahead and capture him and then proceed to use him to spread the virus.

The guy wouldn't shoot the kid, this would also negate the only thing they have in hoping to get Salazar out of jail.

--wow Tikki, we posted at like the same time--

The guy knew that CTU had surrounded the mall. His partner (the mole at CTU) told him to abort. Shooting Tony may have been a diversion, but there's no way he could be sure that the kid would escape. If anything, it was a desperation move.

ironchef82 · 11-12-2003, 02:09 PM

True, there's no way to guarantee that the guy could be sure that the kid would be able to escape. Even I was thinking that cause CTU had posted security at every exit to intercept him if he got out. So I assume he's able to escape in the resulting chaos, everyone in the mall is running out, and no one could expect security to catch the kid in that case.

I agree, though, that it was desperation. But it was only choice given the circumstances. Otherwise their whole plan would fail.

trench · 11-12-2003, 09:23 PM

Yeah, Tony getting shot was definitely a holy shit moment. It does add to the "realism" that no one is safe.

Then again I was glad when Teri Bauer was killed. She annoyed me.

tikki · 11-18-2003, 10:01 PM

This weeks episode wasn't up to snuff with the previous few weeks. I think this is more of a filler episode to get us up to President Palmer's debate and Jack's escape from the prison with Salizar. I'll just post a few notes because I wasn't all that impressed this week.

* I think Chloe is in with that other terrorist guy at CTU (I can't spell his name). She is way too quirky and their whole scene about the personal cell phone seemed too fake.
* Tony isn't going to die, but Michelle is going to leave CTU in the hands of the traitor guy and all hell will most likely break loose.
* I am glad we finally got to see Chase beat the hell out of someone. It gave him some personality. I was worried at the beginning of the season about having someone tagging along with Jack, but as we can see, it's not anywhere near that. Thank god.
* i honestly have no idea what is going on with Kyle Singer's story line. Are they just going to throw him out into LA at 6pm?
* After Palmer's debate, what use is he going to be? And why 30 minutes before the debate is he not prepping. Also, why is no one in the auditorium?
* The last five minutes of the episode were the best. Jack racing against the clock to get out of the jail was a total thrill ride. Letting the prisoners out of the cells gave me a nice laugh.

I think next weeks episode will be a lot better with Jack having to get out of the prison and the debate between palmer and keeler. I am sure we will hear something more about Tony as well.

7 more days...

sieger35 · 11-19-2003, 06:51 AM

hrm.. I'm not fully sure about the Kyle Singer storyline myself. However, it looked like he was placed in an incubator or some type of contamination chamber. So, I'd say that they'll hook up a some sort of exhaust hose from that chamber and filter it out into the LA atmosphere, therefore making the virus airborn.

ironchef82 · 11-19-2003, 12:04 PM

Not every episode can be full of action sequences... some episodes need to be used for plot development and suspense, and this was one of them. I'm all for sacrficing an episode in terms of action content if it makes subsequent episodes all that much better, which I think will be the case for next week's show.

So there's an hour left before the kid is contaigous. How is Jack going to deliver Salazar in time to prevent the virus from going public, especially now that he's been captured by those prisoners?

And another thing, why does Jack have to always wind up breaking the law in order to save the world?

tikki · 11-19-2003, 07:49 PM

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And another thing, why does Jack have to always wind up breaking the law in order to save the world?

because you gotta get your hands dirty to get results

Now, give me that hacksaw.

wondash · 11-20-2003, 05:32 AM

Sooner or later, the whole President blackmail story line has got to tie in with the rest of the terrorist plot.

cartmen34 · 11-20-2003, 08:27 AM

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Sooner or later, the whole President blackmail story line has got to tie in with the rest of the terrorist plot.

Agreed. There is more to that then we are being told.

What really I want to know is how Chase is going to handle having Jack handed to him by the prisoner/hostage situation in the prison. Will he keep jacks "cover?" Or will he turn Jack in for helping Salazar break out?

Also, while I'm thinking of it. I can't believe they ended last season with the president collapsing from the handshake, and then make almost no mention of it in the new season. I know this season is supposed to take place a couple of years after season 2, but I think they could have/should have made season 3 tie in with the end of 2 much more than they did.

tikki · 11-20-2003, 11:27 AM

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Also, while I'm thinking of it. I can't believe they ended last season with the president collapsing from the handshake, and then make almost no mention of it in the new season. I know this season is supposed to take place a couple of years after season 2, but I think they could have/should have made season 3 tie in with the end of 2 much more than they did.

It does tie in:

a) Palmer is very untrusting of people
b) His hand is scarred
c) He is very short on breath and energy, which is due to the attack on his life.

ironchef82 · 11-20-2003, 11:54 AM

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What really I want to know is how Chase is going to handle having Jack handed to him by the prisoner/hostage situation in the prison. Will he keep jacks "cover?" Or will he turn Jack in for helping Salazar break out?

Would he even need to turn Jack in for helping Salazar break out? I'd think that the warden would be able to figure that out after seeing Chase tied up in Salazar's cell, and plus the guard in the control room who was forced to open all the prison cells by Jack's gun... they'd arrest Jack anyway for helping Salazar break out.

wondash · 11-21-2003, 05:52 AM

I still can't swallow the whole mall scene. The mall is surrounded by CTU and cops. A guy fires a gun in the mall with the cops watching. And both the shooter and the kid get away no problem! Let's block all the exits, but forget about the parking garage. No one would ever leave that way.

tikki · 11-25-2003, 07:23 PM

24 Day 3: 5pm - 6pm

I was thinking about it earlier this week and I am glad we have moved from Middle Eastern terrorists to Mexicans. It's a nice change of pace. Just thought I'd share that.

I said that last week was a set up for the next few episodes, and it seems I was right. This week's episode was pretty good in my book. The main plot point was Jack trying to get Salizar out of the prison and on his way to Mexico. It started with Jack and Salizar taking out two guards to get their uniforms to try and just walk out the door. Of course that wasn't going to work, because in the first five minutes of a prison riot the prisoners had already started fires and taken out every guard there was.

In one of those "yeah, that's not going to work" moves, Jack tries to take on a gaggle of prisoners (hehe. gaggle). Obviously you know that hardened criminals can take out even invincible Jack. This leads to the best part of the episode (and in the end the worst part). The Russian Roulette scene was unique and entertaining to watch. I don't think it had as much intensity and drama as it could. Even if Surnow and Cochran want you to think no one is safe in 24, I was pretty confident that Jack and Salizar were going to make it out of there alive. I was pretty sure that the guard was gonna go down too.

Chase is starting to come into form. I am slowly starting to like his character more and more with each week. His taking over command of the prison and then getting "hands on" shooting everyone left and right was good stuff. I still think he is Jack's flunkie though, which was very evident at the end of the episode when he let Jack get on the chopper without any problems. If someone had just tried to strangle me, you'd be damn sure I would be getting on that chopper too and getting my revenge once Salizar was released.

Back at CTU, Kim is getting suspicious of Rael. Please please please please please don't let her get taken hostage!!!!! I can't take another season of Kim in peril. Having her deal with the fact that her dad lied to her and is using heroine is enough trouble I want to see her in. Let her character grow by showing how she can cope with working at CTU while knowing every single thing her dad is doing out in the field. That is what I enjoyed about her character this week. You can only imagine how hard that must be to be told your dad lied to you to break out a federal prisoner.

Seeing Tony laid up on a gurney was gross....

Watching Kyle Singer hang himself was disturbing...

Now that CTU knows that Jack is using, I am sure they are going to blame his irrationality on it. I am just imagining Jack getting back to CTU and them trying to ship him off to rehab at that very moment. If they did that, I don't know if Chase could carry the weight of the super hero yet. I don't think I like him enough for that. hmm. Now that I think about it, ship Jack to a rehab clinic, and let him break out.

Now that Jack and Salizar are in the air on their way to Mexico and Kyle Singer is in custody, I am gonna predict a few things to happen.

a) Rael is going to reveal himself, kidnap Singer, and we are back at square 1.
b) Jack is going to get to Mexico safe and then have to shoot his way out of Salizar's compound. Marie is gonna get shot in it, which is going to get Hector on the road for revenge.
c) Kim is going to snap on that nerdy kid, and get relieved of her duties. I am sure Chapelle will try to have her arrested for conspiring with Jack as well.

So, now the worst part of tonight's episode? The Public Service Announcement on why it's bad to play Russian Roulette. We have been shooting people and doing far worse things on 24 in the past 2 seasons, so why are we doing PSA's now? It just seemed really out of place and very OC/90210-ish.

7 more days...

ironchef82 · 11-26-2003, 05:08 AM

The whole Russian Roulette sequence really really bothered me. Nothing before on 24 had any affect on me beforehand, but this one just seemed to push my edge. Yeah, the episode overall was good, action packed, but that particular sequence just seemed to take away from the quality of the episode in my opinion.

It seems like more and more that Jack won't return next season. He referred to this as "his last assignment" when he talked to the pres, I doubt they'll put him in any position of power at CTU now that his herion habit has been exposed, and that whole starting a prison riot certainly doesn't help. How is he going to avoid jail/rehab in his immediate future?

tikki · 11-26-2003, 05:33 PM

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The whole Russian Roulette sequence really really bothered me. Nothing before on 24 had any affect on me beforehand, but this one just seemed to push my edge. Yeah, the episode overall was good, action packed, but that particular sequence just seemed to take away from the quality of the episode in my opinion.

I don't think it was done as well as it could have been. That prisoner was too crazy. he should have been more rough and evil: like the guy that tortured Jack last season.

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It seems like more and more that Jack won't return next season. He referred to this as "his last assignment" when he talked to the pres, I doubt they'll put him in any position of power at CTU now that his herion habit has been exposed, and that whole starting a prison riot certainly doesn't help. How is he going to avoid jail/rehab in his immediate future?

yeah, but it seems like every season we have that moment where its going to be Jack's last mission.

season 1: Going after the Drazens by himself.
season 2: taking the plane into the desert.
season 3: breaking out salizar.

ironchef82 · 11-26-2003, 07:16 PM

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yeah, but it seems like every season we have that moment where its going to be Jack's last mission.

season 1: Going after the Drazens by himself.
season 2: taking the plane into the desert.
season 3: breaking out salizar.

Yeah, good point. We'll just have to see what happens. Now that his heroin habit has been exposed though, is he gonna be able to do anything at CTU? Maybe he'll just freelance or somethin...

Another nitpicky thing I had in this episode. How in the world do you find that random truck with that license plate in 10 minutes or so? Last time I checked, LA is a pretty big city, and they only had a last known location and direction for that truck about an hour or so ago? Yes, I know it's Hollywood, I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but this just seems way too unrealistic.

hu-man · 11-27-2003, 02:03 AM

Argh! I wanna see this! Can't wait till they air it over here. They're in the middle of showing the second season again, to build up for the third I think. I loved the two first seasons, watched them religiously.

tikki · 11-27-2003, 04:43 AM

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Another nitpicky thing I had in this episode. How in the world do you find that random truck with that license plate in 10 minutes or so? Last time I checked, LA is a pretty big city, and they only had a last known location and direction for that truck about an hour or so ago? Yes, I know it's Hollywood, I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but this just seems way too unrealistic.

Willing suspension of disbelief

tikki · 12-02-2003, 09:41 PM

Did we ever find out how exactly Singer was infected? Yeah, we know he went to Mexico, but how exactly did he contract the virus?

This week we start off with Jack and Salizar up in the air and Chase trying to...chase them down. Jack's favorite buddy at CTU, Chapelle, has returned this season and is once again in charge of CTU. I guess having Michelle running things just doesn't cut it for Division. Chapelle's character bores me. He is always the same dry person, although I did enjoy that uncomfortable hug he shared with Michelle when she got news that Tony was going to have a full recovery. I assume she is going to visit him in the next few hours, so all the Tony fans can get their fix.

Chapelle tells everyone that Bauer is expendable, so they can shoot him out of the sky if they want. I am glad that didn't become an issue, because rehashing story lines is really boring. Plus, who on earth can survive TWO air crashes? This is an issue with Palmer and it pulls him from the debate at a critical point. Wayne is obviously not pleased, and wants Bauer dead so that he can't talk about the authorization for the breaking out of Salizar. I am beginning to think that Wayne is going to be removed from his position in a few hours because of his bickering with Anne. I also am beginning to think she has a few skeletons in her closet that are going to turn her into Sherry 2. You don't really think that Palmer can have anything go in his favor do you?

Hector tells Marie that Jack is bringing Ramone, and she is definitely not pleased. Hector wants to kill Bauer and Marie just doesn't trust him. Jack just doesn't have many friends.

Kyle Singer wasn't infected with the virus? What the hell?
Nice Mustang, Jack.

The big thing we get out of this episode is Kim discovering Rael is a traitor and once again being taken as a hostage. She is just a seasoned pro at this hostage situation thing. I don't really know how he is going to hold her hostage that long inside of CTU without being discovered. Perhaps he is going to move offsite with her? Kill kim? I don't think so. At least not now. I could see it happening in the end of the season. Think about it. Jack puts her at CTU so he can keep an eye on her, and she is still murdered because he wasn't there to protect her 24/7.

The show is going to darkness now that it is 7pm. All the fun happens in the dark. Nuclear bombs explode, Drazens invade DoD prisons, and mosque's are invaded. Can you believe that the season is already 1/4 of the way through?

7 more days...

wondash · 12-03-2003, 05:51 AM

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Nice Mustang, Jack.

Mach-1

tikki · 12-03-2003, 10:44 AM

Suddenly i want to trade my 1998 in for one of those.

Melllvar · 12-03-2003, 04:17 PM

It was only a matter of time before Kim gets put into a dangerous situation. Wayne is creeping me out. As for Kyle, was he another diversion? Is there another person who has the virus?

ironchef82 · 12-03-2003, 08:06 PM

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It was only a matter of time before Kim gets put into a dangerous situation. Wayne is creeping me out. As for Kyle, was he another diversion? Is there another person who has the virus?

I guess there could be someone/something with the virus, but what would be the point? The drug dealers got what they wanted in the form of Ramon back in their custody... so I'm not sure what else they'll want, except for Jack Bauer being killed. But they'll most likely string that torture process over several episodes.

As for the rest of how the season is gonna turn out... I just dunno. I was really excited about the whole bio-terrorism plot, etc, but now that it's gone and it's replaced by Kim being in danger yet again, and Jack being captured yet again.. it seemed cliched almost. This week's episode was just "eh".

tikki · 12-09-2003, 10:25 PM

We start off with Gael duct taping Kim to a chair and asking what she saw. Again, Kim in peril is overplayed. Why not Chloe or someone else? Gael is quickly uncovered as the mole inside of CTU...well, at least this years mole when Adam tries to get into Tech 1 and discovered the access codes have changed. Gael really doesn't put up that much of a fight when he is trying to escape CTU.

The party on Ramon's plane is real exciting. He fights with wanting to kill Jack for half the episode. The way Jack took out Pedro by faking the seizure was good stuff. I wish I was cool enough to break a guys neck with my legs.

Chase is on the hunt for Jack much to the chagrin of Chapelle. He ends up at the house of a contact Jack and he established while working the Salizar case before. This accountant dealt witht the financial issues of Salizar and he uncovered that Jack's plane would be landing in Las Nievas.

Chase is finally growing on me now that he is given the ability to grow as a character. It grows more and more each week. How he dealt with the accountant was good stuff, defying his boss was very Bauer-ish, and just by going dark in general is going to be really interesting....he is heading to Las Nievas to get Jack back.

President Palmer is dealing with the repercussions of withdrawing from the debate with Senator Kieler early. I am really not interested in this storyline. I don't care about Anne. I would actually go so far as to say I don't even like her character. She seems too weak to be dating the leader of the free world. She always looks like she is going to cry. Her issues with her ex husband are not of interest either. She is going to go to his office to get some documents that will clear her name and most likely be framed for something like murder or conspiracy, etc. They want to make her out to be another Sherry so Palmer won't trust her. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Wayne to be the one setting up the meeting between Anne and her ex. He wants Anne out of the way, and this would be a good way to accomplish that.

"Chloe is a pain in the ass" was definitely the quote of the episode.

Interrogating Gael was interesting. I don't really know what Chapelle was having Johnson injected into Gael but it seemed painful enough. Chapelle really isn't that great at interrogation. Repeating the same thing over and over was way too reminiscent of Jack trying to get Joseph Wald out of his bunker last season. "Dammit, Joe! Come out!"

Speaking of pain, apparently Tony has been taking classes from Jack on dealing with pain. He was shot in the neck a few hours ago, just exited surgery, and is already leaving the hospital to go back to work. The plausibility is really weak, but it made for good TV. The reason why he had to leave the hospital? Too good.

Apparently Jack, Gael, and Tony had it all planned out to get Jack back in with the Salizars via Hector. Having Jack break Ramon out of prison was a way to reestablish his cover in the Salizar family.

First off, Hector Salizar is most likely taking too many of his own drugs to let a guy who betrayed him like Jack back into his inner circle again. Once you get past that fact though, this is genius. Ramon is obviously against all of this and not trusting whatsoever. With Jack back inside, he can get access to the virus and try and get rid of it.

It is also most likely going to set up a clash between Chase and Jack. Chase is going to get captured and Ramon is most likely going to want Jack to take him out to prove his loyalty to the family again.

I honestly didn't see any of this turning out this way, so once again the writers have thrown a curveball to the viewers which makes us wonder what is going to happen next. Luckily we have next week, and then its a christmas break most likely.

7 more days...

tikki · 12-16-2003, 09:54 PM

24 Day 3: 8pm - 9pm

After last week's awesome episode, we follow it up with one that isn't nearly on par. The episode starts off with Tony explaining to President Palmer the situation. Everything from the past 7 hours was setup by Tony, Gael, and Jack: the body at health services, the virus in general, etc. There is a bigger virus on the market, and Jack needed to reestablish his cover with the Salizards to incercept it. Palmer is definitely pissed about it.

Obviously, Ramon isn't pleased about Jack being back in the circle. Breaking him out of prison was all part of his plan to gain the trust of Hector so he can get capital to buy the virus from the Ukranians. Jack is playing the angle of being pissed that he isn't getting much love from CTU. His wife was murdered because of the job, his daughter isn't the same because of it, and he was pissed because he busted his hump to get Ramon in jail and got nothing for it but "a demotion and a heroine habit."

The first strains on Hector and Ramon's relationship began to show because of Jack being back. Hector trusts him, but Ramon doesn't. One of them is going to kill the other most likely. The other big detail we discover about Jack is that Maria and he had a fling together while he was undercover the last time. She is obviously bitter that he didn't get her out of their like he said he would. I guess we can assume that Kate and Jack's relationship ended in part because of this.

Tony is struggling to deal with the fac that he was SHOT IN THE NECK a few hours ago and is back at full speed. How long he is going to be able to last in this condition is beyond me. I am going to guess that he collapses a few more times and then they ship him back to the hospital. Michelle is upset that Tony didn't tell her about the Salizar op. Guess the honeymoon's over.

Thank god Anne is gone. Every week I care less and less about Palmer's storyline. Political scandals are not interesting to me. I can see that stuff on FoxNews. I want to see people getting shot, terrorist threats, and Jack Bauer doing the impossible when I watch 24. Anyway, Anne is gone and her name is cleared by some letters her now deceased ex husband gave her. yippee. I don't even think Sherry could save this storyline.

Chase is on the hunt for Jack, but has been captured by the Salizards (predictable). To prove his loyalty to Ramon and Hector, Jack has to show that he would kill Chase. Good thing that gun was unloaded. Where is this going to lead? Chase thinks Jack has turned, and Jack can't really tell Chase what is going on for fear of losing his cover.

So, January 6, 2004 is when 24 returns, and there is a big surprise dealing with another buyer for the virus. hmm. I wonder who the other buyer is? coughNINAcough.

ironchef82 · 12-17-2003, 03:52 AM

Yeah, I heard it was Nina too, but how would that work? Shouldn't she be in jail for lots of things [murder, attempted murder, treason, etc]?

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Smashingbanana Upright Location: Regina	Trench I agree with you, i think that 24 would still be one of the best shows on tv without Jack. But the presence Jack brings is so hard to find. Tony sometimes has it going, and even Mason had it in season two. Im still hoping he doesnt die __________________ Life's a bitch, and then ya die...

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gabshu Psycho Location: The capital of the free world??	Dude, is that the dell kid? I love the dell kid, that makes me so happy. __________________ Go Kool Aid. OH YEAAHH http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/koolaid/

11-11-2003, 07:41 PM	#49 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	24 Day 3: 3pm - 4pm Wow. When TV Guide said there would be a big shock in the first three episodes, and at the end of this episode I yelled out loud, "Holy Shit!" I guess the big thing to talk about this week is Tony pretty much getting removed from this season after getting shot in the neck. Whether or not he has been offed entirely is unknown, but I am highly doubting it since Michelle seemed composed in the trailer for next week. This is what makes 24 so awesome. No one is safe. I was really happy to see Tony get out in the field again because his scenes at the Warner house last year were awesome, but I didn't see him getting shot, and especially not so early in the season. I grabbed that Nicole is an old friend of Jack's (possible former fling?) that he hasn't spoken with since Teri's death (approx 4.5 years ago). She easily picked up that Jack is shooting up. I don't really think she has much of a character at the moment. She is a mere virologist, but I have to imagine there is more to her than that. I don't really see her coming on to Jack or anything like that, but maybe she will be the one to turn Jack in...well if Chase doesn't. We began to see Chase's temper in this episode. When he found that Tony was going in the field at the orders of Jack, he went ballistic. It is causing strains in his relationship with Kim, but I really don't think he is going to break it off with her. If anything, he is going to just walk out of CTU and find Jack. The Palmer storyline with Ann seems like a rehash of the past two seasons, but with a different woman. I am tired of the trust issues that Palmer has with the women in his life. Wayne finally admitted his dislike of Ann, and I can definitely see him going to extremes to make sure Ann is not a factor in his brother's reelection. Kyle Singer was infected with the virus when he was in Mexico 11 hours ago, so come the end of sweeps he will be contagious. I assume for the next 3 hours we are going to have to build up to some kind of hostage situation with Jack and Salizar's people facing off over Singer somewhere. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

11-11-2003, 08:39 PM	#50 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	I gotta admit, i didn't see that coming. I cannot believe Tony got shot in the neck. I knew something big was supposed to happen but i wasn't expecting that. Wow! But as you said, that's what makes 24 so great. Knowing anything could happen. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

11-18-2003, 10:01 PM	#58 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	This weeks episode wasn't up to snuff with the previous few weeks. I think this is more of a filler episode to get us up to President Palmer's debate and Jack's escape from the prison with Salizar. I'll just post a few notes because I wasn't all that impressed this week. * I think Chloe is in with that other terrorist guy at CTU (I can't spell his name). She is way too quirky and their whole scene about the personal cell phone seemed too fake. * Tony isn't going to die, but Michelle is going to leave CTU in the hands of the traitor guy and all hell will most likely break loose. * I am glad we finally got to see Chase beat the hell out of someone. It gave him some personality. I was worried at the beginning of the season about having someone tagging along with Jack, but as we can see, it's not anywhere near that. Thank god. * i honestly have no idea what is going on with Kyle Singer's story line. Are they just going to throw him out into LA at 6pm? * After Palmer's debate, what use is he going to be? And why 30 minutes before the debate is he not prepping. Also, why is no one in the auditorium? * The last five minutes of the episode were the best. Jack racing against the clock to get out of the jail was a total thrill ride. Letting the prisoners out of the cells gave me a nice laugh. I think next weeks episode will be a lot better with Jack having to get out of the prison and the debate between palmer and keeler. I am sure we will hear something more about Tony as well. 7 more days... __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

11-07-2003, 01:40 AM	#41 (permalink)
happymaan Insane Location: los angeles	What's with Jack's secretary/assistant? Jack apologized to her but she’s acting weird to everyone, even Tony. I bet she’s gonna mess something up. I wonder if the season ends with Jack dying and telling Chase he has his blessing to date his daughter.

11-07-2003, 01:37 PM	#43 (permalink)
Snakebyt Psycho Location: Lubbock Texas	i watched a few episodes of season 2, now i want to go buy the dvd sets so i can see it all

11-10-2003, 09:31 PM	#46 (permalink)
trench Crazy Location: Charlotte, NC	I know I'm in the minority here but I still think that 24 could work with replacement characters. it hasn't hurt Law and Order. BUt I really don't want to see Jack killed.

11-11-2003, 09:36 PM	#51 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	Wow... (just watched a tape now) This show rules. I didn't have a clue it was coming either. I thought it was something more subtle, like the sketchy dealer guy somehow infecting Tony or something when he brushed against him as Tony was about to encounter Kyle. Do you all think Tony is dead? Michelle might seem composed from the trailer simply because they haven't told her yet.

11-12-2003, 08:31 AM	#52 (permalink)
wondash Psycho	Why would the guy shoot a gun, at Tony or the kid? It doesn't make any sense.

11-12-2003, 02:09 PM	#56 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	True, there's no way to guarantee that the guy could be sure that the kid would be able to escape. Even I was thinking that cause CTU had posted security at every exit to intercept him if he got out. So I assume he's able to escape in the resulting chaos, everyone in the mall is running out, and no one could expect security to catch the kid in that case. I agree, though, that it was desperation. But it was only choice given the circumstances. Otherwise their whole plan would fail.

11-12-2003, 09:23 PM	#57 (permalink)
trench Crazy Location: Charlotte, NC	Yeah, Tony getting shot was definitely a holy shit moment. It does add to the "realism" that no one is safe. Then again I was glad when Teri Bauer was killed. She annoyed me.

11-19-2003, 06:51 AM	#59 (permalink)
sieger35 Upright	hrm.. I'm not fully sure about the Kyle Singer storyline myself. However, it looked like he was placed in an incubator or some type of contamination chamber. So, I'd say that they'll hook up a some sort of exhaust hose from that chamber and filter it out into the LA atmosphere, therefore making the virus airborn.

11-19-2003, 12:04 PM	#60 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	Not every episode can be full of action sequences... some episodes need to be used for plot development and suspense, and this was one of them. I'm all for sacrficing an episode in terms of action content if it makes subsequent episodes all that much better, which I think will be the case for next week's show. So there's an hour left before the kid is contaigous. How is Jack going to deliver Salazar in time to prevent the virus from going public, especially now that he's been captured by those prisoners? And another thing, why does Jack have to always wind up breaking the law in order to save the world?

11-20-2003, 05:32 AM	#62 (permalink)
wondash Psycho	Sooner or later, the whole President blackmail story line has got to tie in with the rest of the terrorist plot.

11-21-2003, 05:52 AM	#66 (permalink)
wondash Psycho	I still can't swallow the whole mall scene. The mall is surrounded by CTU and cops. A guy fires a gun in the mall with the cops watching. And both the shooter and the kid get away no problem! Let's block all the exits, but forget about the parking garage. No one would ever leave that way.

11-25-2003, 07:23 PM	#67 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	24 Day 3: 5pm - 6pm I was thinking about it earlier this week and I am glad we have moved from Middle Eastern terrorists to Mexicans. It's a nice change of pace. Just thought I'd share that. I said that last week was a set up for the next few episodes, and it seems I was right. This week's episode was pretty good in my book. The main plot point was Jack trying to get Salizar out of the prison and on his way to Mexico. It started with Jack and Salizar taking out two guards to get their uniforms to try and just walk out the door. Of course that wasn't going to work, because in the first five minutes of a prison riot the prisoners had already started fires and taken out every guard there was. In one of those "yeah, that's not going to work" moves, Jack tries to take on a gaggle of prisoners (hehe. gaggle). Obviously you know that hardened criminals can take out even invincible Jack. This leads to the best part of the episode (and in the end the worst part). The Russian Roulette scene was unique and entertaining to watch. I don't think it had as much intensity and drama as it could. Even if Surnow and Cochran want you to think no one is safe in 24, I was pretty confident that Jack and Salizar were going to make it out of there alive. I was pretty sure that the guard was gonna go down too. Chase is starting to come into form. I am slowly starting to like his character more and more with each week. His taking over command of the prison and then getting "hands on" shooting everyone left and right was good stuff. I still think he is Jack's flunkie though, which was very evident at the end of the episode when he let Jack get on the chopper without any problems. If someone had just tried to strangle me, you'd be damn sure I would be getting on that chopper too and getting my revenge once Salizar was released. Back at CTU, Kim is getting suspicious of Rael. Please please please please please don't let her get taken hostage!!!!! I can't take another season of Kim in peril. Having her deal with the fact that her dad lied to her and is using heroine is enough trouble I want to see her in. Let her character grow by showing how she can cope with working at CTU while knowing every single thing her dad is doing out in the field. That is what I enjoyed about her character this week. You can only imagine how hard that must be to be told your dad lied to you to break out a federal prisoner. Seeing Tony laid up on a gurney was gross.... Watching Kyle Singer hang himself was disturbing... Now that CTU knows that Jack is using, I am sure they are going to blame his irrationality on it. I am just imagining Jack getting back to CTU and them trying to ship him off to rehab at that very moment. If they did that, I don't know if Chase could carry the weight of the super hero yet. I don't think I like him enough for that. hmm. Now that I think about it, ship Jack to a rehab clinic, and let him break out. Now that Jack and Salizar are in the air on their way to Mexico and Kyle Singer is in custody, I am gonna predict a few things to happen. a) Rael is going to reveal himself, kidnap Singer, and we are back at square 1. b) Jack is going to get to Mexico safe and then have to shoot his way out of Salizar's compound. Marie is gonna get shot in it, which is going to get Hector on the road for revenge. c) Kim is going to snap on that nerdy kid, and get relieved of her duties. I am sure Chapelle will try to have her arrested for conspiring with Jack as well. So, now the worst part of tonight's episode? The Public Service Announcement on why it's bad to play Russian Roulette. We have been shooting people and doing far worse things on 24 in the past 2 seasons, so why are we doing PSA's now? It just seemed really out of place and very OC/90210-ish. 7 more days... __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

11-26-2003, 05:08 AM	#68 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	The whole Russian Roulette sequence really really bothered me. Nothing before on 24 had any affect on me beforehand, but this one just seemed to push my edge. Yeah, the episode overall was good, action packed, but that particular sequence just seemed to take away from the quality of the episode in my opinion. It seems like more and more that Jack won't return next season. He referred to this as "his last assignment" when he talked to the pres, I doubt they'll put him in any position of power at CTU now that his herion habit has been exposed, and that whole starting a prison riot certainly doesn't help. How is he going to avoid jail/rehab in his immediate future?

11-27-2003, 02:03 AM	#71 (permalink)
hu-man The one that got away Location: Over the hill and far away	Argh! I wanna see this! Can't wait till they air it over here. They're in the middle of showing the second season again, to build up for the third I think. I loved the two first seasons, watched them religiously.

12-02-2003, 09:41 PM	#73 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	Did we ever find out how exactly Singer was infected? Yeah, we know he went to Mexico, but how exactly did he contract the virus? This week we start off with Jack and Salizar up in the air and Chase trying to...chase them down. Jack's favorite buddy at CTU, Chapelle, has returned this season and is once again in charge of CTU. I guess having Michelle running things just doesn't cut it for Division. Chapelle's character bores me. He is always the same dry person, although I did enjoy that uncomfortable hug he shared with Michelle when she got news that Tony was going to have a full recovery. I assume she is going to visit him in the next few hours, so all the Tony fans can get their fix. Chapelle tells everyone that Bauer is expendable, so they can shoot him out of the sky if they want. I am glad that didn't become an issue, because rehashing story lines is really boring. Plus, who on earth can survive TWO air crashes? This is an issue with Palmer and it pulls him from the debate at a critical point. Wayne is obviously not pleased, and wants Bauer dead so that he can't talk about the authorization for the breaking out of Salizar. I am beginning to think that Wayne is going to be removed from his position in a few hours because of his bickering with Anne. I also am beginning to think she has a few skeletons in her closet that are going to turn her into Sherry 2. You don't really think that Palmer can have anything go in his favor do you? Hector tells Marie that Jack is bringing Ramone, and she is definitely not pleased. Hector wants to kill Bauer and Marie just doesn't trust him. Jack just doesn't have many friends. Kyle Singer wasn't infected with the virus? What the hell? Nice Mustang, Jack. The big thing we get out of this episode is Kim discovering Rael is a traitor and once again being taken as a hostage. She is just a seasoned pro at this hostage situation thing. I don't really know how he is going to hold her hostage that long inside of CTU without being discovered. Perhaps he is going to move offsite with her? Kill kim? I don't think so. At least not now. I could see it happening in the end of the season. Think about it. Jack puts her at CTU so he can keep an eye on her, and she is still murdered because he wasn't there to protect her 24/7. The show is going to darkness now that it is 7pm. All the fun happens in the dark. Nuclear bombs explode, Drazens invade DoD prisons, and mosque's are invaded. Can you believe that the season is already 1/4 of the way through? 7 more days... __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

12-03-2003, 10:44 AM	#75 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	Suddenly i want to trade my 1998 in for one of those. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

12-03-2003, 04:17 PM	#76 (permalink)
Melllvar Crazy Location: Anchorage, Alaska	It was only a matter of time before Kim gets put into a dangerous situation. Wayne is creeping me out. As for Kyle, was he another diversion? Is there another person who has the virus? __________________ "They shoot without shame In the name of a piece of dirt For a change of accent Or the colour of your shirt Better the pride that resides In a citizen of the world Than the pride that divides When a colorful rag is unfurled" -Neil Peart

12-09-2003, 10:25 PM	#78 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	We start off with Gael duct taping Kim to a chair and asking what she saw. Again, Kim in peril is overplayed. Why not Chloe or someone else? Gael is quickly uncovered as the mole inside of CTU...well, at least this years mole when Adam tries to get into Tech 1 and discovered the access codes have changed. Gael really doesn't put up that much of a fight when he is trying to escape CTU. The party on Ramon's plane is real exciting. He fights with wanting to kill Jack for half the episode. The way Jack took out Pedro by faking the seizure was good stuff. I wish I was cool enough to break a guys neck with my legs. Chase is on the hunt for Jack much to the chagrin of Chapelle. He ends up at the house of a contact Jack and he established while working the Salizar case before. This accountant dealt witht the financial issues of Salizar and he uncovered that Jack's plane would be landing in Las Nievas. Chase is finally growing on me now that he is given the ability to grow as a character. It grows more and more each week. How he dealt with the accountant was good stuff, defying his boss was very Bauer-ish, and just by going dark in general is going to be really interesting....he is heading to Las Nievas to get Jack back. President Palmer is dealing with the repercussions of withdrawing from the debate with Senator Kieler early. I am really not interested in this storyline. I don't care about Anne. I would actually go so far as to say I don't even like her character. She seems too weak to be dating the leader of the free world. She always looks like she is going to cry. Her issues with her ex husband are not of interest either. She is going to go to his office to get some documents that will clear her name and most likely be framed for something like murder or conspiracy, etc. They want to make her out to be another Sherry so Palmer won't trust her. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Wayne to be the one setting up the meeting between Anne and her ex. He wants Anne out of the way, and this would be a good way to accomplish that. "Chloe is a pain in the ass" was definitely the quote of the episode. Interrogating Gael was interesting. I don't really know what Chapelle was having Johnson injected into Gael but it seemed painful enough. Chapelle really isn't that great at interrogation. Repeating the same thing over and over was way too reminiscent of Jack trying to get Joseph Wald out of his bunker last season. "Dammit, Joe! Come out!" Speaking of pain, apparently Tony has been taking classes from Jack on dealing with pain. He was shot in the neck a few hours ago, just exited surgery, and is already leaving the hospital to go back to work. The plausibility is really weak, but it made for good TV. The reason why he had to leave the hospital? Too good. Apparently Jack, Gael, and Tony had it all planned out to get Jack back in with the Salizars via Hector. Having Jack break Ramon out of prison was a way to reestablish his cover in the Salizar family. First off, Hector Salizar is most likely taking too many of his own drugs to let a guy who betrayed him like Jack back into his inner circle again. Once you get past that fact though, this is genius. Ramon is obviously against all of this and not trusting whatsoever. With Jack back inside, he can get access to the virus and try and get rid of it. It is also most likely going to set up a clash between Chase and Jack. Chase is going to get captured and Ramon is most likely going to want Jack to take him out to prove his loyalty to the family again. I honestly didn't see any of this turning out this way, so once again the writers have thrown a curveball to the viewers which makes us wonder what is going to happen next. Luckily we have next week, and then its a christmas break most likely. 7 more days... __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

12-16-2003, 09:54 PM	#79 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	24 Day 3: 8pm - 9pm After last week's awesome episode, we follow it up with one that isn't nearly on par. The episode starts off with Tony explaining to President Palmer the situation. Everything from the past 7 hours was setup by Tony, Gael, and Jack: the body at health services, the virus in general, etc. There is a bigger virus on the market, and Jack needed to reestablish his cover with the Salizards to incercept it. Palmer is definitely pissed about it. Obviously, Ramon isn't pleased about Jack being back in the circle. Breaking him out of prison was all part of his plan to gain the trust of Hector so he can get capital to buy the virus from the Ukranians. Jack is playing the angle of being pissed that he isn't getting much love from CTU. His wife was murdered because of the job, his daughter isn't the same because of it, and he was pissed because he busted his hump to get Ramon in jail and got nothing for it but "a demotion and a heroine habit." The first strains on Hector and Ramon's relationship began to show because of Jack being back. Hector trusts him, but Ramon doesn't. One of them is going to kill the other most likely. The other big detail we discover about Jack is that Maria and he had a fling together while he was undercover the last time. She is obviously bitter that he didn't get her out of their like he said he would. I guess we can assume that Kate and Jack's relationship ended in part because of this. Tony is struggling to deal with the fac that he was SHOT IN THE NECK a few hours ago and is back at full speed. How long he is going to be able to last in this condition is beyond me. I am going to guess that he collapses a few more times and then they ship him back to the hospital. Michelle is upset that Tony didn't tell her about the Salizar op. Guess the honeymoon's over. Thank god Anne is gone. Every week I care less and less about Palmer's storyline. Political scandals are not interesting to me. I can see that stuff on FoxNews. I want to see people getting shot, terrorist threats, and Jack Bauer doing the impossible when I watch 24. Anyway, Anne is gone and her name is cleared by some letters her now deceased ex husband gave her. yippee. I don't even think Sherry could save this storyline. Chase is on the hunt for Jack, but has been captured by the Salizards (predictable). To prove his loyalty to Ramon and Hector, Jack has to show that he would kill Chase. Good thing that gun was unloaded. Where is this going to lead? Chase thinks Jack has turned, and Jack can't really tell Chase what is going on for fear of losing his cover. So, January 6, 2004 is when 24 returns, and there is a big surprise dealing with another buyer for the virus. hmm. I wonder who the other buyer is? coughNINAcough. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

12-17-2003, 03:52 AM	#80 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	Yeah, I heard it was Nina too, but how would that work? Shouldn't she be in jail for lots of things [murder, attempted murder, treason, etc]?